REASONS WHY RON PAUL IS A DISASTER

[EagleEye]

Ron Paul doesn't want to attack Iran.  He thinks America is to blame for terrorism against America.  That's rapist logic.  Blame the victim.

Your attempts to divide and conquer this forum are pathetic.  I don't think you really are a supporter, but a plant from our opposition.

[White Israelite]

Ron Paul doesn't want to attack Iran.  He thinks America is to blame for terrorism against America.  That's rapist logic.  Blame the victim.

Your attempts to divide and conquer this forum are pathetic.  I don't think you really are a supporter, but a plant from our opposition.

A plant? Absolutely not. There are many Jewish supporters of Ron Paul. I support Ron Paul because he is a constitutionalist. I like the fact that he is against the idea of us paying taxes on our income, I like his stance on free speech and the 2nd amendment. He is a hero amongst gun owners over on thehighroad and thefiringline. Ron Paul feels the war on Iraq was illegal, he is not against the war on terror. He feels that if we are attacked, then we should attack our enemies but he feels an attack on Iraq was not justified. Do you really think supporting George Bush is really doing Israel any better? George Bush made quite a ...controversial comments about Jews when he was mayor IIRC. George Bush has constantly pushed for a Palestinian state, the democrats are even worse. This is not something the US can do, this is something Israel will have to do and by cutting off the funds, Israel will no longer be stuck with the US breathing down her neck telling her to give up chunks of land for so called "peace".

On the other hand, we have members who support Guiliani because of his stance on Muslims yet the guy doesn't respect the constitution at all. The Soviets completely destroyed Germany, but look at how vile they were. Does that make them good people because they destroyed Germany? It hurt us long term and it was already too late. Guiliani may say muslims are our enemies but that does not make him a friend to Israel or gun owners. It's the same with Bush, he may have declared a war on terror with the muslim fanatics, however his focus has turned to 70-80 year old grandmas with no middle eastern decent. To top it off, he's trying to form a Palestinian state and justifys Hamas in power? Call a spade a spade.

[EagleEye]

Its not just this.  4 things make me think you are a plant.

1: You repeatedly defend Paul
2: You made the statement that nazis deserve "rights."
3: You defended the phora.
4: You attempted to smear me when I pointed out the above three things, in another thread.

In short, you know all you know because you have been posting on the phora for a long time, and are repeating the propaganda people throw around about me there.  You purposely left out many important facts when trying to attempt to divide this organization.

[White Israelite]

Its not just this.  4 things make me think you are a plant.

1: You repeatedly defend Paul
2: You made the statement that nazis deserve "rights."
3: You defended the phora.
4: You attempted to smear me when I pointed out the above three things, in another thread.

In short, you know all you know because you have been posting on the phora for a long time, and are repeating the propaganda people throw around about me there.  You purposely left out many important facts when trying to attempt to divide this organization.

I defend Paul because of his stance on the rights of citizens in this country, a war on terror is meaningless if our own government is turning every one of it's subjects that opposes it into a terrorist, that doesn't just apply to Muslims, the JDL was labeled a terrorist organization under US administration at one point. Who else am I supposed to vote for? Obama? Hillary? Not a cold chance in hell. The other republicans that speak of being pro Israel or what not do it to get votes from the Christians, they don't care about Israel. They rather split it up and fight silly wars in Iraq. I am right wing, but most of the republicans are not right wing enough in my opinion. Israel can fight it's self without a problem, what are we going to fight with when a tyrannical government starts passing restrictions on freedom of speech and the right to bear arms, are we supposed to fight back with sticks? Rights cannot be replaced once their taken, they never are.

I never stated "Nazis deserve rights". I stated that the United States recognizes them as having rights. Why else do you think sites like StørmFrønt exist? They are not breaking any laws in the United States. In Israel that may be a different thing which is why the White Israeli Union (the Israel neo nazis website) got shut down as it was hosted on a Israeli server.

I never defended The Phora, I stated that under the United States constitution, they have the right to free speech and are able to run the forum as they see fit, just like how JTF has the right to ban Nazis and what not from this site, but the people in charge of this site have the freedom to run this site as Americans, if they were living in Saudi or a muslim country, then that would be a different story.

I tried to smear you? I didn't hide anything, you have said contradicting statements on different websites that you are not Jewish and now you say your father is Jewish? You cannot hide what you have said on these forums, what was your purpose for posting on StørmFrønt?

[White Israelite]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul335.html

It is very easy to criticize the Government of Lebanon for not doing more about Hezbollah. I object to terrorism committed by Hezbollah because I am a strong opponent to all violence on all sides. But I also object to the unreasonable accusations that the Government of Lebanon has not done enough, when we realize that Israel occupied southern Lebanon for 18 years and was not able to neutralize Hezbollah. ---Ron Paul

[EagleEye]

You know too much, and you are ignoring the posts I've made since that repudiating the previous posts, which are much more recent and in much greater number...and you are too tenacious in your defense...you are definitely a plant.  You are also dragging these threads off topic in your attempts to defend yourself, when you should be shutting up and acting like a productive member of the forum.

And btw, by JTF standards, I am considered a Righteous Gentile.  For all you know about me, you don't know very much about Orthodox/Conservative Jewish Law.  I told you as I became more pro-Jew and more pro-Zionist I became less self-hating.  Many people of partial or full Jewish ancestry will say "I'm not Jewish" when asked if they are.  The majority of Jews, and partial Jews, are self-hating Jews.  You would know that, but you don't, because as I implied earlier, you are a plant.

[White Israelite]

You know too much, and you are ignoring the posts I've made since that repudiating the previous posts, which are much more recent and in much greater number...and you are too tenacious in your defense...you are definitely a plant.  You are also dragging these threads off topic in your attempts to defend yourself, when you should be shutting up and acting like a productive member of the forum.

And btw, by JTF standards, I am considered a Righteous Gentile.  For all you know about me, you don't know very much about Orthodox/Conservative Jewish Law.  I told you as I became more pro-Jew and more pro-Zionist I became less self-hating.  Many people of partial or full Jewish ancestry will say "I'm not Jewish."  The majority of Jews, and partial Jews, are self-hating Jews.  You would know that, but you don't, because as I implied earlier, you are a plant.

Can you provide evidence that I am a plant? Kahaneloyalist will back me up as he knows who I am, you may ask on any forum I frequent and research my posts on Irandefence which I post on the Israel forum and defend Israel however have been banned several times from that forum, you may research my posts on Israelmilitary.net, you may research my posts on Zahal.org (which I purchase Israeli military gear from) and various other forums if you wish.

You seem to be getting rather defensive from your end, although I am not the one posting as an active user on StørmFrønt. Feel free to research my posts here on JTF as well. I am pro Israel though probably a bit more militant and redneck than some of the members.

What is your purpose that you speculate I am a plant?

[EagleEye]

Irandefence...you should have the brains to know then, that some people debate others on people's boards.  What if I started to imply that you are currently supportive of Iran because you posted on that forum.  What if I purposely left out the fact that a good amount of your posts are debating other people.  That would be dishonest.  So don't try to be dishonest when dealing with my posts, and purpsely attempting to portray my current ideology as being something that it is not.  If you were really just a "fan" of me, you'd know that I've viciously battled StørmFrønt/VNN supporters, yet you left that out to imply that I was one of them.  True I've gone through some ideological evolutions, but its just dishonest to say I was ever part of the StørmFrønt ingroup, as in a well-liked and respected poster there who peddled the party line.

[White Israelite]

Irandefence...you should have the brains to know then, that some people debate others on people's boards.  What if I started to imply that you are currently supportive of Iran because you posted on that forum.  What if I purposely left out the fact that a good amount of your posts are debating other people.  That would be dishonest.  So don't try to be dishonest when dealing with my posts, and purpsely attempting to portray my current ideology as being something that it is not.  If you were really just a "fan" of me, you'd know that I've viciously battled StørmFrønt/VNN supporters, yet you left that out to imply that I was one of them.  True I've gone through some ideological evolutions, but its just dishonest to say I was ever part of the StørmFrønt ingroup, as in a well-liked and respected poster there who peddled the party line.

Not at all. Irandefence is not a nationalist site, it is dedicated to talking about Iranian military. I like to know about foreign countries militarys. StørmFrønt on the other hand is only for those of the White race and generally they lock out forum users who are not white from participating from the forum except for the Opposing Views section. I didn't start the attack, you felt I was wrong because I had stated that Nazis according to US law have rights. Pretending they don't isn't going to cause the problem to go away.

I brought up your name regarding StørmFrønt, because you participated in discussions that you were a regular white nationalist who felt you were participating in their forum and engaging in debates about Zionism and what not. Some of the posts indicate to me that you were a white supremist that had lost interest and garnered to the Zionist side.

[White Israelite]

By the way, nice comments you made on the holocaust on StørmFrønt. I'm glad we overexaggerate and that the hollywood movies about it are 'funny' to you. I'll save you the embarrassment if you can explain those posts?

Posted by Kane123123"Re: Boycott New HoloHoax Film
The only reason I like to watch it is because I laugh at the fact of how retarted Hollywood is. But I don't agree with them, I laught at it, not with it.

I see them as comedy movies, because the whole idea is a freaking joke.

Of course I wouldn't pay money to see these jokes."

[EagleEye]

I 100% oppose holocaust denial...

[White Israelite]

I 100% oppose holocaust denial...

Is that now? Or is that how you always felt? I mean we understand that you just wanted to debate that 6 million number and feel the holocaust is overused and what not, and that not all Jews are corrupt, just the majority of them according to you. Why not just admit you were a Nazi sympathizer at one point? I'm sure those Russian nazis in Israel are looking for new members, I bet you could even grow a tiny moustache and look great with a combover. Tell me, did you ever used to look at yourself in the mirror while raising your left hand and shouting "Sieg Heil"?

[EagleEye]

BTW, the two of us have settled our differences.  He admitted to looking at oudated posts, and skipping over my latest posts, and that was major cause of this.  Posts made to impress thugs over 2 years ago that I would repudiate now in a heartbeat aren't a good means to judge my current character.  The fact is at a certain point I started to openly disagree with other posters, and it I eventually got under their hair enough that I got a one year ban.  This was a after I had stopped posting, one day I logged in just for kicks, and found out I was banned.  It wouldn't really matter because I had quit that place anyways.

[Ultra Requete]

It's good that you settled this; those kind of paranoid behavior and member bashing is hurting the JTF couse.

[EagleEye]

He has a legitimate reason to suspect.  I have said some nasty things in the past and I apologize for it.

[RationalThought110]

Ron Paul made an appearance on the O'Reilly Factor.  I don't think he ever has a discussion about politics without mentioning "neocons."


How would it be possible to have zero taxes?

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...Ron Paul made an appearance on the O'Reilly Factor.  I don't think he ever has a discussion about politics without mentioning "neocons."
How would it be possible to have zero taxes?"

The Bush Government, and the Republican Party, are "Republican" in name only.  They are indeed "neo-conservatives; in no way resembling patriotic Americans.  They are all in complete violation of their sworn oaths to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.  The late, great, Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona, "The Father of the Conservative Movement",  said this prior to his death, even going so far as to claim that his party "...had been taken over by a bunch of kooks."

The U.S. Constitution forbids both the income tax on labor, as well as forbids the IRS.

Read it for yourself and you will see that only corporations and overseas income are taxable by the Federal Government.

The IRS is forbidden from controlling as well as manufacturing currency; this power is strictly the domain of the U.S. Congress, and only gold and silver are allowed as the backing for our currency.

Read the words of the Founding Fathers.  Thomas Jefferson said that "...a central bank was more of a threat to American sovereignty and freedom than was an occupying foreign army...".  They all agreed that should a central bank along with personal income tax ever be allowed in the U.S., all of its citizens would lose their property and land to the bankers and foreign potentates.

In addition, so-called "Fast Track" Treaty negotiation power recently granted to Presidents Clinton and Bush are completely illegal.  Only Congress has the ability to negotiate foreign treaties.

While you're reading, see how the U.S. President is forbidden from launching wars without a Formal Declaration Of War by Congress.

Read a newspaper today, or watch the evening news for an hour, and you will realize that those who framed our government long ago would quickly hang all of those currently governing us.

Thanks both to a criminally negligent educational system as well as an apathetic citizenry, few Americans today have any understanding or comprehension of our government as it is legally constituted.

And, make no mistake about it...The Constitution states that it is the Supreme Law of the Land...laws, treaties, and governmental establishments not in accord with it are illegal.

Therefore, your worst nightmares are now true!

You indeed live in a post-Constitution, illegal dictatorship controlled by supra-national corporations, foreign bankers, the mass media whom they own and control, and all of the Federal Government is based on a foreign ideology dedicated to the elimination of American sovereignty and freedom.

Or...perhaps you prefer U.S. Post Offices with stamps dedicated to Malcolm X the Black Muslim, and dedicated to Paul Robeson the Communist Party member, dedicated to celebrating Kwaanza, while there's not a single portrait or commemorative stamp of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and the other Framers of the U.S. to be seen?

p.s.--does this mean that you've been living in "the matrix" without ever realizing that it actually exists?

[Ultra Requete]

I agree we in europe are just serfs or worse slaves working for goverment half of the year; in USA you have atleat first and second ammendments to protect your freedoms. Beware of patriot act and gun licencing.

[RationalThought110]

MassuhDGoodName,



So then you consider real conservatives to all be "paleoconservatives", the term that Pat Buchanan likes? 

For Republicans in name only, the term RINO is used. 

Of people who get called a "neocon", I think the term that's truly meant for them is "globalist."  Ronald Reagan a "neocon", in the sense that he was once a Democrat who switched the Republican party.  Most CFR globalists are not "neocons" in that sense.


Before income taxes existed, how did branches of government obtain funding for their budgets?


In contrast to the Senate, the House of Representatives tends to be a better representation and a better reflection of their candidates.  There are a good number of Congressional Reps in the GOP who are real conservatives and disagree with Bush on many issues.


I've discussed the issue of a central bank with someone else on the forum.  There is speculation that the Federal Reserve is controlled by the people who started CFR and who are in charge of CFR.  However, the Wall St. banks are connected with CFR and for more than a month, Wall St. supposedly has wanted the Federal Reserve interest rates to be cut.  However, the FED has not yet cut interest rates.  So if the FED is controlled by CFR, wouldn't the rates have been cut already?



In terms of "Fast-track" treaty negotiation, are you referring to the fraud known as NAFTA?


What is meant by declaration of war?  The Congress voted for a resolution for the war in Iraq.  How is that different than a Congressional declaration of war?   Don't the multinational corporations want to extend the war as long as it will take them to built an embassy?  I do believe that they control some of the media sources.  However, then why are the media sources mostly against the Iraq War while CFR wants to continue it at least until they have an embassy built?



Maybe you should debate Ron Paul with Chaim and tell him how you feel about Paul in an Ask JTF thread.  Chaim doesn't consider Paul to be one of the better candidates and I'm not doubting Chaim on this issue.  I challenge you to defend Ron Paul, to Chaim.

[MassuhDGoodName]

RationalThought110 asks me:

"So then you consider real conservatives to all be "paleoconservatives", the term that Pat Buchanan likes?"

-I consider real conservatives to be people dedicated to preserving and upholding The Constitution of the United States of America. 

"For Republicans in name only, the term RINO is used."
-I find such tags unnecessary and unhelpful.

"Of people who get called a "neocon", I think the term that's truly meant for them is "globalist."  Ronald Reagan a "neocon", in the sense that he was once a Democrat who switched the Republican party.  Most CFR globalists are not "neocons" in that sense.

-"Internationalist" or "Globalist"; take your pick.  One traitor is as good as another.  "Neo-con" is about as meaningless a term as is "Post-Zionist" --  Traitors are traitors and no amount of "neologisms" can change that fact.


"Before income taxes existed, how did branches of government obtain funding for their budgets?"
-Read the original Constitution and you will find the answer.


"In contrast to the Senate, the House of Representatives tends to be a better representation and a better reflection of their candidates.  There are a good number of Congressional Reps in the GOP who are real conservatives and disagree with Bush on many issues."

-Perhaps.  Or maybe they're just sociopathic scoundrels who will do and say anything to maintain wealth and power.  They've been part of the most corrupt government in the history of the Republic.   

"I've discussed the issue of a central bank with someone else on the forum.  There is speculation that the Federal Reserve is controlled by the people who started CFR and who are in charge of CFR.  However, the Wall St. banks are connected with CFR and for more than a month, Wall St. supposedly has wanted the Federal Reserve interest rates to be cut.  However, the FED has not yet cut interest rates.  So if the FED is controlled by CFR, wouldn't the rates have been cut already?"

-I am unable to tell you what goes on "behind the scenes" on Wall Street and inside the Federal Reserve.  It's true that the CFR was founded by old man Rockefeller for the purposes of allowing control by the world's internationalists.  CFR is an "extra-Constitutional" body with no authority to affect our government and policies.   

"In terms of "Fast-track" treaty negotiation, are you referring to the fraud known as NAFTA?"

-NAFTA dates back quite some time ago, but the "Fast-Track" policies came about when our most recent Presidents told Congress that unless they were given exclusive power to make treaties the U.S. would get beat out by our competition.  Last week I read that the Legislative branch is no longer allowing Bush the power.

"What is meant by declaration of war?"
-By Supreme Law of the Constitution, the President must make a case for war, the Congress must debate it and then either pass a Formal Declaration of the Congress, or decide not to declare war.

"The Congress voted for a resolution for the war in Iraq."
-That's nowhere allowed in the Constitution.

"How is that different than a Congressional declaration of war?"
-Only the Congressional Declaration is legal and valid...Anything short of one has no authority.

"Don't the multinational corporations want to extend the war as long as it will take them to built an embassy?"

-All I know for sure is that many of them are making a fortune as a result of the war.

I do believe that they control some of the media sources.  However, then why are the media sources mostly against the Iraq War while CFR wants to continue it at least until they have an embassy built?

-That I can not answer.

Maybe you should debate Ron Paul with Chaim and tell him how you feel about Paul in an Ask JTF thread.  Chaim doesn't consider Paul to be one of the better candidates and I'm not doubting Chaim on this issue.  I challenge you to defend Ron Paul, to Chaim.

-I followed Rabbi Kahane, and then Chaim Ben Pesach, long before I ever heard of Congressman Paul.  I respect Chaim's opinion of Paul, and have no interest in debating anyone about Paul's merits or lack thereof.  In fact, Chaim has long been fully aware of my respect for Congressman Paul as a unwavering Constitutionalist whose reputation and background are unblemished.  It wasn't too long ago that virtually all leaders and bureaucrats in this country shared the views of Paul and others like him, and they got their ideas from our very own George Washington, who in his farewell address warned America not to become entangled with foreign governments and foreign treaties, but to remain a sovereign bastion of freedom and liberty.  Paul's writings and speeches are readily available online to everyone, and my opinions don't seem to matter very much to our forum members.

[RationalThought110]

RationalThought110 asks me:

"So then you consider real conservatives to all be "paleoconservatives", the term that Pat Buchanan likes?"

-I consider real conservatives to be people dedicated to preserving and upholding The Constitution of the United States of America. 

"For Republicans in name only, the term RINO is used."
-I find such tags unnecessary and unhelpful.

"Of people who get called a "neocon", I think the term that's truly meant for them is "globalist."  Ronald Reagan a "neocon", in the sense that he was once a Democrat who switched the Republican party.  Most CFR globalists are not "neocons" in that sense.

-"Internationalist" or "Globalist"; take your pick.  One traitor is as good as another.  "Neo-con" is about as meaningless a term as is "Post-Zionist" --  Traitors are traitors and no amount of "neologisms" can change that fact.


"Before income taxes existed, how did branches of government obtain funding for their budgets?"
-Read the original Constitution and you will find the answer.


"In contrast to the Senate, the House of Representatives tends to be a better representation and a better reflection of their candidates.  There are a good number of Congressional Reps in the GOP who are real conservatives and disagree with Bush on many issues."

-Perhaps.  Or maybe they're just sociopathic scoundrels who will do and say anything to maintain wealth and power.  They've been part of the most corrupt government in the history of the Republic.   

"I've discussed the issue of a central bank with someone else on the forum.  There is speculation that the Federal Reserve is controlled by the people who started CFR and who are in charge of CFR.  However, the Wall St. banks are connected with CFR and for more than a month, Wall St. supposedly has wanted the Federal Reserve interest rates to be cut.  However, the FED has not yet cut interest rates.  So if the FED is controlled by CFR, wouldn't the rates have been cut already?"

-I am unable to tell you what goes on "behind the scenes" on Wall Street and inside the Federal Reserve.  It's true that the CFR was founded by old man Rockefeller for the purposes of allowing control by the world's internationalists.  CFR is an "extra-Constitutional" body with no authority to affect our government and policies.   

"In terms of "Fast-track" treaty negotiation, are you referring to the fraud known as NAFTA?"

-NAFTA dates back quite some time ago, but the "Fast-Track" policies came about when our most recent Presidents told Congress that unless they were given exclusive power to make treaties the U.S. would get beat out by our competition.  Last week I read that the Legislative branch is no longer allowing Bush the power.

"What is meant by declaration of war?"
-By Supreme Law of the Constitution, the President must make a case for war, the Congress must debate it and then either pass a Formal Declaration of the Congress, or decide not to declare war.

"The Congress voted for a resolution for the war in Iraq."
-That's nowhere allowed in the Constitution.

"How is that different than a Congressional declaration of war?"
-Only the Congressional Declaration is legal and valid...Anything short of one has no authority.

"Don't the multinational corporations want to extend the war as long as it will take them to built an embassy?"

-All I know for sure is that many of them are making a fortune as a result of the war.

I do believe that they control some of the media sources.  However, then why are the media sources mostly against the Iraq War while CFR wants to continue it at least until they have an embassy built?

-That I can not answer.

Maybe you should debate Ron Paul with Chaim and tell him how you feel about Paul in an Ask JTF thread.  Chaim doesn't consider Paul to be one of the better candidates and I'm not doubting Chaim on this issue.  I challenge you to defend Ron Paul, to Chaim.

-I followed Rabbi Kahane, and then Chaim Ben Pesach, long before I ever heard of Congressman Paul.  I respect Chaim's opinion of Paul, and have no interest in debating anyone about Paul's merits or lack thereof.  In fact, Chaim has long been fully aware of my respect for Congressman Paul as a unwavering Constitutionalist whose reputation and background are unblemished.  It wasn't too long ago that virtually all leaders and bureaucrats in this country shared the views of Paul and others like him, and they got their ideas from our very own George Washington, who in his farewell address warned America not to become entangled with foreign governments and foreign treaties, but to remain a sovereign bastion of freedom and liberty.  Paul's writings and speeches are readily available online to everyone, and my opinions don't seem to matter very much to our forum members.

For the most part, you tend to be excellent at analyzing things so I'd be shocked if most people on this forum didn't respect what you had to say.  I think they should check out your posts more often. 


I think Chaim agrees with the constitution and agrees with George Washington's statements. 

[EagleEye]

Paul is an extremist.  Riding on anti-War climate, he takes the extreme position that there are no legitimate enemies in the middle-east, and that America should have no involvement there whatsoever.  I am against the Iraq War, and I've always been against the Iraq war, but I don't take that extreme position.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...I'd be shocked if most people on this forum didn't respect what you had to say..."

Please choose one:
(a)  110 V
(b)  220 V

[RationalThought110]

Paul is an extremist.  Riding on anti-War climate, he takes the extreme position that there are no legitimate enemies in the middle-east, and that America should have no involvement there whatsoever.  I am against the Iraq War, and I've always been against the Iraq war, but I don't take that extreme position.

Actually, Paul did say recently that he considers Saudia Arabia to be a threat, rather than an "ally." 


At the same time, he tries to continuously defend the policies of Iran.  He also claims that they're at least 10 years away from a nuclear weapon.  This assessment is wrong and they're much closer than Iraq to having nuclear weapons.


He doesn't seem to acknowledge that Iran has threatened both the US and Israel.  I don't expect Olmert to allow Israel's military to do anything.  Of course, any sort of military action isn't a first choice option but it's basically impossible to have a diplomacy with them.  Even so-called Iranian experts, who once lived in Iran and who prefer that there isn't any kind of military action, admit that the Iranian government is crazy and that it isn't possible to have a diplomacy with them and so-called attempts to negotiate with them, only embolden them. 

[RationalThought110]

Re:  "...I'd be shocked if most people on this forum didn't respect what you had to say..."

Please choose one:
(a)  110 V
(b)  220 V

Good one