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shalom lekulam
« on: August 09, 2010, 02:08:39 AM »
Hello, I'm an Israeli temporarily living in America (till i finish high school, currently entering 11Th grade) I'm not exactly a Kahanist but i agree with a lot of what he said. i believe that Israel is should be a Jewish state 1st and a democratic state 2Nd, that means only Jews and gentiles married into Jewish families 10 years and had 1 kid born in Israel may vote, this is because of demographics. I am a secularist and i believe in a vast amount of personal liberty and a lot of economic liberty, not as much as America, but much more than currently in Israel. I believe we should invest in alternatives to oil so as to neutralize our islamonazi enemies. I believe we should do something like Dubai, by that I mean hire cheap workers from the 3rd world that are exempt from minimum wage ,some safety regulations, and state benefits, but they can only do certain jobs so that they don't cause Jewish unemployment, this would make us more competitive as well as allow us to have social programs that would otherwise bankrupt us.  we should also introduce an education system that can out-compete  some of the top private schools in the world, this would not only make us highly competitive in the future, but also attract aliyah from people that find what Israel does unethical.

I see you have a really nice forum here.

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2010, 04:39:42 AM »
התבלבלת כמעה.

כהניזם ליברלי הוא כמו דג יבשתי - תרתי דסתרי.
"The same way simplicity and truth are synonyms, so are greatness and extremism, as extremism makes the issue worthwhile. He who supports mediocrity and despises extremism - is one of the forgers without no intelligence." - HaChazon Ish 

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2010, 04:48:20 AM »
התבלבלת כמעה.

כהניזם ליברלי הוא כמו דג יבשתי - תרתי דסתרי.

lol, i just wanted an interesting-sounding name. you do know that theres an ideology called "liberal conservatism" as well as "conservative liberalism".

the "kahanist" part is that i agree with some of the rabbi's major points, the "liberal" part is that i have tons of liberal positions.

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2010, 04:52:11 AM »
התבלבלת כמעה.

כהניזם ליברלי הוא כמו דג יבשתי - תרתי דסתרי.

lol, i just wanted an interesting-sounding name. you do know that theres an ideology called "liberal conservatism" as well as "conservative liberalism".

the "kahanist" part is that i agree with some of the rabbi's major points, the "liberal" part is that i have tons of liberal positions.

כהניזם זה לא להרוג ערבים, כהניזם
זו חזרה ליהדות השרשית ולרעיון היהודי
האותנטי.

ולפי היהדות האוטנטית, ליברל הוא לא יותר מבן תרבות אירופה המערבית.

וליברל מיליטנטי אינו אלא פאשיסט אירופאי
ממוצע שנמצא במזרח התיכון בניגוד מובהק
למהותו האתנית. דהיינו - כובש בלתי לגיטימי.
"The same way simplicity and truth are synonyms, so are greatness and extremism, as extremism makes the issue worthwhile. He who supports mediocrity and despises extremism - is one of the forgers without no intelligence." - HaChazon Ish 

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2010, 05:23:32 AM »
התבלבלת כמעה.

כהניזם ליברלי הוא כמו דג יבשתי - תרתי דסתרי.

lol, i just wanted an interesting-sounding name. you do know that theres an ideology called "liberal conservatism" as well as "conservative liberalism".

the "kahanist" part is that i agree with some of the rabbi's major points, the "liberal" part is that i have tons of liberal positions.



כהניזם זה לא להרוג ערבים, כהניזם
זו חזרה ליהדות השרשית ולרעיון היהודי
האותנטי.

ולפי היהדות האוטנטית, ליברל הוא לא יותר מבן תרבות אירופה המערבית.

וליברל מיליטנטי אינו אלא פאשיסט אירופאי
ממוצע שנמצא במזרח התיכון בניגוד מובהק
למהותו האתנית. דהיינו - כובש בלתי לגיטימי.

i never said that kahanists want to kill arabs, if i thought that, i wouldnt bother putting the word "kahanist" in my name.

the authentic judaism part is one of the crazy ones. we have to face the fact that cultures do change. instead of fighting the change, i think we should help it move forward. western europe does have good values in it, why not we take that? of course i dont want integration, but if something is good, such as human rights (to a certain extent), why not take it? and if something is bad, such as dhimmitude, leave it (be'ezrat hashem, europe will abandon that curse too). also, truly "authentic" judaism would involve living like we did 4000 years ago, that means no electricity and no modern medicine.

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2010, 05:26:10 AM »

i never said that kahanists want to kill arabs, if i thought that, i wouldnt bother putting the word "kahanist" in my name.

the authentic judaism part is one of the crazy ones. we have to face the fact that cultures do change. instead of fighting the change, i think we should help it move forward.

So your subjective "modern" ideas are better than G-D's Eternal Torahnic ideas?

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western europe does have good values in it,

Only according to you. Why's your opinion more right than mine?

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why not we take that?


Because it's an antithesis to our essence as Jews. We're not Europeans or Westerners but Jews.


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of course i dont want integration, but if something is good, such as human rights (to a certain extent), why not take it?


But if something is good, such as bestiality, why not take it?

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and if something is bad, such as dhimmitude, leave it (be'ezrat hashem, europe will abandon that curse too).


Why do you use this primitive phrase?

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also, truly "authentic" judaism would involve living like we did 4000 years ago, that means no electricity and no modern medicine.


Cite me the Jewish source where it says that we shouldn't have electricity (yea, it's so forbbiden, after all, we're the ones who started this idea, not the Americans or Europeans you love so much), or modern medicine.

Authentic Judaism is the Oral and Written Law - top to buttom.
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"The same way simplicity and truth are synonyms, so are greatness and extremism, as extremism makes the issue worthwhile. He who supports mediocrity and despises extremism - is one of the forgers without no intelligence." - HaChazon Ish 

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2010, 06:04:33 AM »

i never said that kahanists want to kill arabs, if i thought that, i wouldnt bother putting the word "kahanist" in my name.

the authentic judaism part is one of the crazy ones. we have to face the fact that cultures do change. instead of fighting the change, i think we should help it move forward.
So your subjective "modern" ideas are better than G-D's Eternal Torahnic ideas?

do you think that people should stone there kids to death when they disobey them too?

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western europe does have good values in it,

Only according to you. Why's your opinion more right than mine?

all it is is an opinion, i never said its more valuable than yours, its just that my position just makes more sense to me
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why not we take that?


Because it's an antithesis to our essence as Jews. We're not Europeans or Westerners but Jews.

but does that mean that western Europeans have nothing valuable in there culture?
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of course i dont want integration, but if something is good, such as human rights (to a certain extent), why not take it?


But if something is good, such as bestiality, why not take it?

when did i say bestiality is good? since i doubt the animal would ever consent, bestiality is rape
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and if something is bad, such as dhimmitude, leave it (be'ezrat hashem, europe will abandon that curse too).


Why do you use this primitive phrase?
you seem to think that i want israel to become like wester europe. let me be clear: i don't, i just think that there are certain things that they do right. the 2 big ones being human rights (to a certain extent) and individualism
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also, truly "authentic" judaism would involve living like we did 4000 years ago, that means no electricity and no modern medicine.


Cite me the Jewish source where it says that we shouldn't have electricity (yea, it's so forbbiden, after all, we're the ones who started this idea, not the Americans or Europeans you love so much), or modern medicine.

Authentic Judaism is the Oral and Written Law - top to buttom.
so by authentic you mean following everything that the torah says literally. fair enough

but tell me, should we take slaves when we capture a territory? should we stone our kids when they disobey us? need i say more?

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2010, 07:48:48 AM »
Welcome to the forum KahanistLibeal lol
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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2010, 07:59:08 AM »
Welcome to the forum KahanistLibeal lol

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2010, 08:41:32 AM »
Welcome to JTF.  We also have a Hebrew forum you might want to check out.  The address is www.hayamin.org.

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2010, 09:05:13 AM »
Welcome to JTF.  We also have a Hebrew forum you might want to check out.  The address is www.hayamin.org.


il probably join that within the next few days

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2010, 09:23:41 AM »
Re:  "Authentic Judaism is the Oral and Written Law - top to buttom. "

This is so true.

Everyone on Earth is blessed with the right to accept unquestioningly the entirety, as well as the totality, of the Written and Oral Law, or be immediately killed!

This is exactly why any child which curses or disobeys his or her parents must be immediately put to death!

And this is true whether the child is six days old, or sixty years old - the parent or parents must immediately kill such a transgressor, using any and all available means to do it; be that strangling them with a toaster cord, stabbing them with silverware, or just choking them with one's bare hands!

Furthermore, he who hesitates in carrying out this Commandment must themselves be immediately put to death!

And, if a neighborhood or community hesitates to kill a parent who hesitates to kill their own child, then that neighborhood or community itself MUST BE IMMEDIATELY PUT TO DEATH!

And yes -- even if no neighbors or community are left to kill a transgressing neighborhood or community, then foreign nations must be asked to intervene and cross the borders and kill all the transgressors of the Oral and Written Law.*

*however, once a foreign nation has come and killed every man, woman, and child in the transgressing community, it is required by Law to withdraw back across the border into their own land, and not hang around even long enough to bury all the bodies of the dead.




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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2010, 09:29:44 AM »
Re:  "Authentic Judaism is the Oral and Written Law - top to buttom. "

This is so true.

Everyone on Earth is blessed with the right to accept unquestioningly the entirety, as well as the totality, of the Written and Oral Law, or be immediately killed!

This is exactly why any child which curses or disobeys his or her parents must be immediately put to death!

And this is true whether the child is six days old, or sixty years old - the parent or parents must immediately kill such a transgressor, using any and all available means to do it; be that strangling them with a toaster cord, stabbing them with silverware, or just choking them with one's bare hands!

Furthermore, he who hesitates in carrying out this Commandment must themselves be immediately put to death!

And, if a neighborhood or community hesitates to kill a parent who hesitates to kill their own child, then that neighborhood or community itself MUST BE IMMEDIATELY PUT TO DEATH!

And yes -- even if no neighbors or community are left to kill a transgressing neighborhood or community, then foreign nations must be asked to intervene and cross the borders and kill all the transgressors of the Oral and Written Law.*

*however, once a foreign nation has come and killed every man, woman, and child in the transgressing community, it is required by Law to withdraw back across the border into their own land, and not hang around even long enough to bury all the bodies of the dead.



are you suggesting that we should be like the Muslims? because thats the type of honor-kill BS you see from the Islamic world. Jewish culture is suppose to be 4000 years ahead of Islamic culture, there is no honor in honor killings, were better than that.

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2010, 09:38:53 AM »
Re:  "are you suggesting that we should be like the Muslims? because thats the type of honor-kill BS you see from the Islamic world. "

HOW DARE YOU! mention Jews and Muslims in the same sentence!

There can be no comparison whatsoever between pious Torah Jews killing our own children in compliance with the Law, versus those savage beast murderers who murder their own children just because they say their book commanded them to do so!

Don't you understand the difference between OUR BOOK and OUR LAW which is the TRUTH, versus theirs which is all lies, evil, Satanic and barbaric?

YOU'RE A SICK, DEMENTED, LYING, PHONY JEW!  YOU'LL BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY FOR DARING TO MENTION JEWS IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS MOHAMMEDANS!

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2010, 09:54:57 AM »
Re:  "are you suggesting that we should be like the Muslims? because thats the type of honor-kill BS you see from the Islamic world. "

HOW DARE YOU! mention Jews and Muslims in the same sentence!

There can be no comparison whatsoever between pious Torah Jews killing our own children in compliance with the Law, versus those savage beast murderers who murder their own children just because they say their book commanded them to do so!

Don't you understand the difference between OUR BOOK and OUR LAW which is the TRUTH, versus theirs which is all lies, evil, Satanic and barbaric?

YOU'RE A SICK, DEMENTED, LYING, PHONY JEW!  YOU'LL BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY FOR DARING TO MENTION JEWS IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS MOHAMMEDANS!




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There can be no comparison whatsoever between pious Torah Jews killing our own children in compliance with the Law, versus those savage beast murderers who murder their own children just because they say their book commanded them to do so!

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*really long face-palm*

try re-reading that comment.

open your mind a little and read that from a secular point of view. please.... just open your mind a bit read your comment from a secular point of view


im trying to distance us from the muslims while your trying to make us like them. our culture and our ways are just over 4000 years more advanced than our enemies, and it should stay that way.

we are better than them.

p.s. il take you a little more seriously if you don't rage that much.
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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2010, 03:04:42 PM »
Re:  "Authentic Judaism is the Oral and Written Law - top to buttom. "

This is so true.

Everyone on Earth is blessed with the right to accept unquestioningly the entirety, as well as the totality, of the Written and Oral Law, or be immediately killed!

This is exactly why any child which curses or disobeys his or her parents must be immediately put to death!

And this is true whether the child is six days old, or sixty years old - the parent or parents must immediately kill such a transgressor, using any and all available means to do it; be that strangling them with a toaster cord, stabbing them with silverware, or just choking them with one's bare hands!   

Really, the halacha says that?  Show me where.

 ::)

You don't even believe what you are writing is true... So why do you write it?  To mislead people and give them misconceptions about Judaism?  That's real constructive! 


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Furthermore, he who hesitates in carrying out this Commandment must themselves be immediately put to death! 

Really, the written and oral Torah says this?   Or you made this up?   ???

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2010, 03:05:26 PM »
Re:  "are you suggesting that we should be like the Muslims? because thats the type of honor-kill BS you see from the Islamic world. "

HOW DARE YOU! mention Jews and Muslims in the same sentence!

There can be no comparison whatsoever between pious Torah Jews killing our own children in compliance with the Law, versus those savage beast murderers who murder their own children just because they say their book commanded them to do so!

Don't you understand the difference between OUR BOOK and OUR LAW which is the TRUTH, versus theirs which is all lies, evil, Satanic and barbaric?

YOU'RE A SICK, DEMENTED, LYING, PHONY JEW!  YOU'LL BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY FOR DARING TO MENTION JEWS IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS MOHAMMEDANS!




......

There can be no comparison whatsoever between pious Torah Jews killing our own children in compliance with the Law, versus those savage beast murderers who murder their own children just because they say their book commanded them to do so!

.....

*really long face-palm*

try re-reading that comment.

open your mind a little and read that from a secular point of view. please.... just open your mind a bit read your comment from a secular point of view


im trying to distance us from the muslims while your trying to make us like them. our culture and our ways are just over 4000 years more advanced than our enemies, and it should stay that way.

we are better than them.

p.s. il take you a little more seriously if you don't rage that much.


You realize you're arguing with a cartoon character, right?

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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2010, 08:35:38 PM »
Re:  "are you suggesting that we should be like the Muslims? because thats the type of honor-kill BS you see from the Islamic world. "

HOW DARE YOU! mention Jews and Muslims in the same sentence!

There can be no comparison whatsoever between pious Torah Jews killing our own children in compliance with the Law, versus those savage beast murderers who murder their own children just because they say their book commanded them to do so!

Don't you understand the difference between OUR BOOK and OUR LAW which is the TRUTH, versus theirs which is all lies, evil, Satanic and barbaric?

YOU'RE A SICK, DEMENTED, LYING, PHONY JEW!  YOU'LL BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY FOR DARING TO MENTION JEWS IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS MOHAMMEDANS!




......

There can be no comparison whatsoever between pious Torah Jews killing our own children in compliance with the Law, versus those savage beast murderers who murder their own children just because they say their book commanded them to do so!

.....

*really long face-palm*

try re-reading that comment.

open your mind a little and read that from a secular point of view. please.... just open your mind a bit read your comment from a secular point of view


im trying to distance us from the muslims while your trying to make us like them. our culture and our ways are just over 4000 years more advanced than our enemies, and it should stay that way.

we are better than them.

p.s. il take you a little more seriously if you don't rage that much.


You realize you're arguing with a cartoon character, right?


kinda do now.

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Re: shalom lekulam
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2010, 07:17:36 PM »
I laughed.

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do you think that people should stone there kids to death when they disobey them too?

WHERE does ANY book of the Jewish holy writings say we should? cite it.

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all it is is an opinion, i never said its more valuable than yours, its just that my position just makes more sense to me

But not to me. Shall Anarchy rise?

we need absolutism for order.

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but does that mean that western Europeans have nothing valuable in there culture?

You can't understand that an idea who is opposite to G-D's ideas thar are good and merciful are evil? (not all things created in Western Europe contradict it, but the Western values do).

Are you a complete fool?

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when did i say bestiality is good? since i doubt the animal would ever consent, bestiality is rape

What makes it immoral?

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you seem to think that i want israel to become like wester europe. let me be clear: i don't, i just think that there are certain things that they do right. the 2 big ones being human rights (to a certain extent) and individualism

But this Western value is not a Jewish value. It contradicts Jewish values. Western human rights oppose genocide in any case, Judaism says eliminate the Amalekites.

I hope you're only ignorant.

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so by authentic you mean following everything that the torah says literally. fair enough

How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be G-d, follow Him; but if Thomas Jefferson/John Locke/whatever, follow him.

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but tell me, should we take slaves when we capture a territory?
depends.

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should we stone our kids when they disobey us?


WHERE does ANY book of the Jewish holy writings say we should? cite it.

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need i say more?


Something serious? yes.
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2010, 02:23:43 PM »



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so by authentic you mean following everything that the torah says literally. fair enough

How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be G-d, follow Him; but if Thomas Jefferson/John Locke/whatever, follow him.

 ;D Well said, Ron.  Very poetic.