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Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« on: October 28, 2010, 02:25:20 PM »
Todays headlines include a story about how 'scientists' have discovered that there is a specific DNA gene which influences liberal ideology. I think this is junk-science because I know many people who have started life as a conservative, switched over to liberal ideology, and then returned to conservative thinking. I myself have switched from conservative to liberal and back... I suspect that this story was placed in the media to influence the election.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/oct/28/liberal-gene-discovered

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Simply having the gene – a variant of a dopamine receptor known as DRD4, linked to novelty-seeking – is not enough by itself to make someone a liberal, according to the article in the latest issue of the Journal of Politics, published by Cambridge University Press. The study found that adults with the gene were more liberal depending on how wide their circle of friends was while they were growing up.

I think these 'scientists' are grasping at straws. It is a natural thing for a human to seek novelty... Even babies are known to laugh when people move around quickly...

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2010, 02:29:13 PM »
Todays headlines include a story about how 'scientists' have discovered that there is a specific DNA gene which influences liberal ideology. I think this is junk-science because I know many people who have started life as a conservative, switched over to liberal ideology, and then returned to conservative thinking. I myself have switched from conservative to liberal and back... I suspect that this story was placed in the media to influence the election.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/oct/28/liberal-gene-discovered

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Simply having the gene – a variant of a dopamine receptor known as DRD4, linked to novelty-seeking – is not enough by itself to make someone a liberal, according to the article in the latest issue of the Journal of Politics, published by Cambridge University Press. The study found that adults with the gene were more liberal depending on how wide their circle of friends was while they were growing up.

I think these 'scientists' are grasping at straws. It is a natural thing for a human to seek novelty... Even babies are known to laugh when people move around quickly...


Yes, sounds like junk science... liberal propoganda.   HOWEVER, I have heard that Liberalism is a mental dissorder.  Maybe this research will help develop a cure. LOL

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2010, 02:48:29 PM »
Scientists found a gene which causes stupidity?
"You must keep the arab under your boot or he will be at your throat" -Unknown

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 03:13:23 PM »
That sounds kind of dumb, I'd have to see a lot more evidence to believe something like this.

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2010, 03:30:18 PM »
The media of course presents this in the only fashion it knows how - as a concocted fairy tale of the sort that the moron readership can possibly digest or take interest in.  The scientists themselves seem to make a strange leap, but it's important to discuss how we define liberal including the article's use of the term "novelty-seeking."   For instance,

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suggested that those with the novelty-seeking gene variant would be more interested in learning about their friends' views, exposing them to a wider variety of lifestyles and beliefs and making them more liberal as a result.

  And they suggest that interacting with friends will cause people to take interest in different kinds of people and lifestyles, as if this underlies a "liberal political ideology," but how do we define that term?   That does not mean such a person "will vote for Obama."  It means such a person will understand multiple types of people and tolerate or encourage differences.    In that sense, the JTF policy is "liberal."      Not "liberal" in the way the author of that article misunderstands the word's definition, or the vast majority of the people reading it, but liberal in the true sense of the word.     

But what was the criteria used by the researchers to quantify and qualify "liberal ideology?"   If it was a survey of questions about how to treat others and how people view various individual subject matters, this could be indicative of something.   But if it was a survey such as "Are you a democrat?"   "Did you vote for Obama"   "Do you think that racism is evil?"    then this is just a worthless waste of time.

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2010, 05:59:30 AM »
i wonder if I have that gene

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2010, 09:03:58 AM »
i wonder if I have that gene

I want the Arabs out of my country but I want it to keep its advanced public health insurance system, and I want America to get one as well.

Isn't a public health insurance system a "socialist" institution rather than a "liberal" one ? Why do you refer to a public health insurance system as a prime example of liberalism ?

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2010, 12:56:15 PM »
i wonder if I have that gene

I want the Arabs out of my country but I want it to keep its advanced public health insurance system, and I want America to get one as well.

Isn't a public health insurance system a "socialist" institution rather than a "liberal" one ? Why do you refer to a public health insurance system as a prime example of liberalism ?

Fiscal liberalism is socialism and large government.  That may have not been the case 100 years ago, but it is certainly the case now.  True fiscal conservatism is quite the opposite.

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Re: Liberal Genes?!?! Is this a joke?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2010, 02:53:59 PM »
A "Classical Liberal" is a Conservative.
"You must keep the arab under your boot or he will be at your throat" -Unknown

"When we tell the Arab, ‘Come, I want to help you and see to your needs,’ he doesn’t look at us like gentlemen. He sees weakness and then the wolf shows what he can do.” - Maimonides

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"The difference between a Jewish liberal and a Jewish conservative is that when a Jewish liberal walks out of the Holocaust Museum, he feels, "This shows why we need to have more tolerance and multiculturalism." The Jewish conservative feels, "We should have killed a lot more Nazis, and sooner."" - Philip Klein