Scriabin, after reading your explanation, I agree with every word. In fact, I think almost everyone here now is agreeing with everything you are saying.
You thought we all disagree with you, and we all thought that we disagree with you, but now that you have explained yourself, we all find ourselves agreeing with you. Everything you are saying makes perfect sense.
This should prove to all of us that we should have the patience to fully explain things to our fellow JTFers. Getting angry and fighting with our fellow JTFers is foolish. We are part of JTF because we all basically want a more moral and decent world. We have different ways of expressing this aspiration, and we certainly have differences of opinion on some issues from time to time, but our general goal is making this a moral and decent world.
Scriabin, I apologize for misunderstanding you.
I suggest that you make this point to Chaim on the Ask JTF program. I'm sure he'll agree with you. Chaim is a very moral and religious person who very much wants to see women AND men become moral again.
In any event, I'm going to ask Chaim to read this thread.