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Obama Finally Has His Own War
« on: March 19, 2011, 10:45:59 AM »
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,751982,00.html


A Libyan plane crashes after being shot down in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi on March 19: Barack Obama has committed the US to military action against Moammar Gadhafi.

Barack Obama has taken a firm stance against Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi in one of the toughest speeches of his presidency. For Obama, threatening air strikes against Libya is a decisive turning point. Now the formerly peace-minded US president finally has a war of his own making.
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US President Barack Obama has struck a new tone. It's one that would have been unthinkable back when he was still a presidential candidate -- the candidate of peace, who rejected his predecessor's wars and wanted to have as little to do with them as possible. But now he is president and commander-in-chief. And now he has the first war of his own making.

On Friday afternoon, Obama entered the East Room of the White House, to make one of the shortest but toughest speeches of his presidency. It was not an open declaration of war -- the word was not mentioned once. But the speech was the culmination of a week in which the pacifist turned into a warrior. At the end of that week, Obama himself committed American troops to a new, distant front for the first time. He did so reluctantly, but it was clear to him that the decision was inevitable.

It was one of the most decisive moments in Obama's still young presidency.

From Peace to War

Following the UN resolution on Thursday night that paved the way for military strikes against Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, Obama had been silent for 20 hours. While the French and British were making preparations for military action, and the Germans pondered the wisdom of their abstention, the White House preferred to wait.

That was partly because no one in Washington really knows what to make of Gadhafi's recent maneuvering. But mainly it is because Obama finds himself trapped in a dilemma: He must explain to his people why he gone from being a staunch opponent of US military action to its advocate. It would be the third current American military operation in a Muslim country, after Afghanistan and Iraq.

Some American commentators have already begun referring to the Korean War. That war, which traumatized generations of Americans, began in a similar fashion in 1950, with a UN resolution and an offer of help from the West.

From peace to war in seven days: It is enough to give people "whiplash," complained Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson on the TV channel MSNBC.

'We Will Not Respond to Words'

The discrepancy could also be seen during Obama's appearance in the East Room. He was addressing two different audiences. On the one hand, he threatened Gadhafi in tougher terms than ever before. On the other, Obama, with an eye to the domestic TV audience, played down the consequences from an American perspective. Supporting the UN was fine, he said, but ruled out unilateral military action or the use of US ground forces.

In terms of the message to Gadhafi, Obama could hardly have expressed himself any more clearly. "These terms are not negotiable," he said, referring to the conditions laid down by UN Resolution 1973, namely a ceasefire, an end to attacks on civilians and halting the advance on Benghazi. Obama has never seemed so determined before.

At the same time, he had his foot firmly on the brake when it came to military action. He announced that US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would first meet with America's European allies and Arab partners on Saturday in Paris to discuss how the resolution should be enforced -- meaning that the bombing would not start immediately.

Washington also appeared unimpressed by Gadhafi's announcement of a ceasefire on Friday. "We are going to be not responsive or impressed by words," Clinton said. "We would have to see actions on the ground."

British Prime Minister David Cameron, who discussed the situation with Obama in a telephone conversation, made similar comments. "We will judge (Gadhafi) by his actions, not his words," he told the BBC.

Events on Saturday proved the leaders' skepticism to be well founded. Gadhafi's ground troops attacked the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, and a fighter jet was shot down over the city.

Selling War to the American People

During his speech, Obama summarized how the situation had escalated, partially for the benefit of those in his domestic audience who had previously paid little attention to the situation in Libya. He described how Gadhafi had responded to pro-democracy protests with an "iron fist": "Instead of respecting the rights of his own people, Gadhafi chose the path of brutal suppression." Obama also described the long series of international responses to Gadhafi -- the sanctions, the arms embargo and the repeated warnings.

Then came the most important part of the speech: why the US should get involved. "Now, here is why this matters to us," said Obama, sounding a bit like a math teacher explaining a problem to his students. "The calls of the Libyan people for help would go unanswered. The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun. Moreover, the words of the international community would be rendered hollow." In other words, America is prepared to go to war over such concerns.

Obama may well have used similar words when, earlier in the White House, he had briefed the most important representatives and senators in detail about the possible UN deployment for the first time. The audience included both supporters of a US involvement, such as John Kerry, Joe Lieberman and John McCain, as well as opponents such as Dick Lugar.

Congress does not need to approve the US action, because it is not an official declaration of war. But it can still hold a symbolic vote. By then at the latest, the divisions in Washington will probably start showing.

The first cracks were already appearing on Friday. "None of this makes any sense," the columnist Andrew Sullivan wrote in his blog for The Atlantic. Gaddafi is not a threat to the US, he argued, adding "not even the most righteous neocons" have pushed for military action on such slim grounds. Sullivan also condemned "the imperial presidency that Obama has now taken to a greater height than even Bush."

'Our Cause Is Just'

It is now clear that Obama's attitude changed on Tuesday evening at a crisis meeting at the White House which apparently became extremely heated. Both sides presented their arguments for and against an intervention in the conflict. Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was taking part via telephone, advocated military action. They were opposed by US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, National Security Adviser Tom Donilon and his deputy, Denis McDonough.

In contrast to his stance on the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, Obama ended up joining the side of the interventionists, arguing that Libya was central to the whole wave of change in the Middle East. "This is the greatest opportunity to realign our interests and our values," a senior administration official said at the meeting, according to the magazine Foreign Policy. The official apparently said that the sentence came from Obama himself. The president included the same sentiment in his speech on Friday.

In his address, Obama stipulated one condition, however: no invasion. "Our goal is focused, our cause is just, and our coalition is strong," he said -- sounding exactly like George W. Bush. By an irony of history, his speech came just before the eighth anniversary of the bombing of Iraq on the night of March 19-20, 2003, which began the Iraq war.

"In the case of Libya, they just threw out their playbook," Steve Clemons from the New America Foundation told Foreign Policy. "The fact that Obama pivoted on a dime shows that the White House is flying without a strategy."

It also shows that the old divide between the State Department and the Pentagon has reappeared. Hillary Clinton has won this round, at the expense of Gates, who did not want to impose an additional front on his already overburdened forces -- especially as all the strategic scenarios in Libya are unappealing.

Nevertheless, the troops are ready. The US has brought six warships and a submarine into position in the Mediterranean. "We have been deploying in the region for a few weeks," says one government source. "We are ready to fight." The "full range" is enabled, he says: combat jets and bombers, reconnaissance aircraft and marines.

'He's Going on Vacation'

But there was a sense of disbelief in some quarters in Washington about the fact that Obama set off on a long-planned five-day trip to Brazil, Chile and El Salvador on Friday evening, just hours after his Libya speech and despite the ongoing crisis. Gates was also planning to leave for a three-day trip to Russia on Saturday.

Obama is "going on vacation," mocked host Steve Doocy on the conservative Fox News network. "He's going to Rio. You've got to be kidding. He's taking his family."

The deputy national security adviser, Ben Rhodes, had earlier defended the trip. "It's imperative that the United States not disengage from these regions," he told reporters on Wednesday.

But there's no getting away from the fact that Rio is a long way from Tripoli. Obama is indeed a reluctant commander-in-chief.

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Re: Obama Finally Has His Own War
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 10:48:04 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12779628

Libya: UN 'to back action against Gaddafi'

The BBC's Allan Little says the drive east by Gaddafi's forces is gaining pace.

The UN Security Council is set to back a resolution that supports military action in Libya but stops short of an invasion, diplomats say.

A draft before the 15-member body in New York backs action "to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack".

It also proposes a no-fly zone to help halt the advance of Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

Reports suggest air strikes may begin within hours of it passing.

The US, UK and France have proposed the council resolution, backing action short of an invasion.

Diplomatic sources say Russia and China - which often oppose the use of force against a sovereign country as they believe it sets a dangerous precedent - will abstain rather than using their power of veto.

They suggest that if the resolution is passed, air attacks on Col Gaddafi's forces by the British and French air forces could begin within hours. It is not thought that the US would be involved in the first strikes, but the British and French are likely to get logistical backup from Arab allies.

Col Gaddafi's forces have recently retaken several towns seized by rebels during an uprising.

Earlier on Thursday, addressing the people of Benghazi, the rebels' main stronghold, Col Gaddafi said his troops were coming "tonight" and there would be "no mercy".

He told rebels to go home, adding that "whoever lays down his weapons" would be pardoned.

Rebel leaders replied by saying their forces would stand firm and not be deterred by Col Gaddafi's threats.

'Boots on the ground'

US Undersecretary of State William Burns had earlier said the administration supported international measures in Libya "short of boots on the ground".
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He told the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee that a no-fly zone over Libya could have "an important, positive, practical" effect, but it was still necessary to consider other measures.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague told MPs the resolution "includes demands for an immediate ceasefire, a complete end to violence, a ban on all flights in Libyan air space with the exception of humanitarian flights".

The Libyan military has warned that any foreign operations against Libya will expose all maritime and air navigation in the Mediterranean Sea to danger, state TV reports.

"All civilian and military activities will be the target of a Libyan counter-attack. The Mediterranean Sea will be in serious danger not only in the short term but also in the long term," a screen caption said.

In other developments:

    * Forces loyal to Col Gaddafi reportedly launched their first air attacks on Benghazi, targeting the airport at Benina
    * Col Gaddafi's forces attacked the rebel-held town of Ajdabiya, a key objective before launching a ground assault on Benghazi, but rebels deployed tanks, artillery and a helicopter to repel the assault
    * Libyan state television reported that the city of Misrata was almost entirely under government control, but rebels and residents in the city denied this
    * Official Libyan news agency Jana reported that government forces would cease military operations from midnight on Sunday to give rebels the opportunity to hand over their weapons and "benefit from the decision on general amnesty"

Following the toppling of the long-time leaders of neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt earlier this year, Libyan protesters started to demand that Col Gaddafi step down after 42 years of autocratic rule. They quickly seized much of eastern Libya.

The United Nations seems on the brink of taking a momentous decision.

After hanging back for days, the Americans have now not only backed the British and French resolution on Libya but beefed it up.

The fact that French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe will be here in person is a sign of his confidence that the Russians and Chinese won't block it.

Some reports quote the French saying that there could be an attack within hours of a vote passing. It is likely five Arab air forces will take part.

Although there have been other recent UN operations, this would be the most serious intervention in a crisis for a long time, a marked contrast to the division over Iraq.

That does not ease the worries of some in the administration that this will still be labelled an American war and they will be dragged deeper and deeper into the affairs of another Arab nation.

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Re: Obama Finally Has His Own War
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011, 05:09:10 PM »
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Congress does not need to approve the US action, because it is not an official declaration of war. But it can still hold a symbolic vote. By then at the latest, the divisions in Washington will probably start showing.

wtf?  How is shooting missiles at another country not war?

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 01:13:45 AM »
wtf?  How is shooting missiles at another country not war?

In american history there have been many such actions taken with no formal declaration of war by congress (or anyone).

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 01:26:57 AM »
In american history there have been many such actions taken with no formal declaration of war by congress (or anyone).

Bush had to get a vote of Congress before we went into Iraq.  Obama easily could get Congressional approval but he is used to ruling as a quasi dictator.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 01:47:55 AM »
 Btw - its amazing how far the world will bend over backwards and to what great lengths they will go in order to ingratiate themselves with the "arab street" and try to win over the sympathies of muslims.  This has gone on, totally fruitless, for many decades and will continue to be an epic fail with every attempt at bribery.

Of course if the Us combats nazism, to some people it's a "jewish war" or some assimilated jews were deathly afraid of anyone calling it that.  But to go die for libyans iraqis kurds afghans, etc that's ok of course.  That's just fine.  Even when the same people hate americans and always will.  Totally fine.

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 02:01:21 AM »
In american history there have been many such actions taken with no formal declaration of war by congress (or anyone).

i'm aware of that. Attacking another country, declared or not, is war, regardless of whatever semantics politicians use to make people think otherwise.

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 02:31:07 AM »
Wait a minute. This isn't a "Zionist Conspiracy"? Oh wait.....that accusation is coming next! >:(

Why can't Obama (or is it O'Bama :::D) go back to Kenya?!!!!

As for the O'Bama reference, was I the only one sickened by that animal's inane attempt at officiating a St. Patrick's Day Parade?

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 07:38:52 AM »
Oh good. Now I guess we'll see a resurgence of all those anti-war protesters that were on the news shows every night but who have been strangely quiet since 1/20/09.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 07:40:58 AM »
wtf?  How is shooting missiles at another country not war?

Just about all the wars were never approved by Congress

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 08:43:03 AM »
Here America goes fighting another war on behalf of the arabs.
The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. Jobs started drying up, then the stores had to shut down. Then a black man was elected president. He was supposed to change things. He didn't. More and more people turned to crime and violence... The town becomes gripped with fear. Dark times, dark times... I am the hero this town needs. I am... The Coon!!!

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 09:53:20 AM »
Oh good. Now I guess we'll see a resurgence of all those anti-war protesters that were on the news shows every night but who have been strangely quiet since 1/20/09.

As long as that lesbian anti-Semite Cindy Sheehan keeps her stupid inbred mouth shut!!!

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 10:02:02 AM »
So when will America go and bomb Iran, Bahrain, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and every other country where they turn the military on their own people? Why did they not go into Sudan to stop the genocide of millions of black Christians and animists in the south?

Europe and America are tripping over themselves to be white slaves for the arab subhumans.
The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. Jobs started drying up, then the stores had to shut down. Then a black man was elected president. He was supposed to change things. He didn't. More and more people turned to crime and violence... The town becomes gripped with fear. Dark times, dark times... I am the hero this town needs. I am... The Coon!!!

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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011, 10:22:17 AM »
Oh good. Now I guess we'll see a resurgence of all those anti-war protesters that were on the news shows every night but who have been strangely quiet since 1/20/09.
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