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The former SS man who became a leftist writer which is perfectly compatible again makes anti Israel comments 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4212477,00.html   






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German author Grass says Israel endangers world peace

German Nobel literature laureate Guenter Grass sharply criticizes Israel amid tensions with Iran and what he describes as Western hypocrisy over Israel's suspected nuclear program

Reuters
Published:    04.04.12, 15:11 / Israel News
   

Nobel Prize-winning German writer Guenter Grass has attacked Israel as a threat to world peace and said it must not be allowed to launch military strikes against Iran, in a poem that one German newspaper branded "anti-Semitic".

 
Grass, 84, a seasoned campaigner for left-wing causes and a critic of Western military interventions such as Iraq, also condemned German arms sales to Israel in his poem "What must be said", published in several newspapers on Wednesday.

 

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His words were criticised in Germany, where any strong condemnation of Israel is taboo because of the Nazi-perpetrated Holocaust. Grass's own moral authority has never fully recovered from his 2006 admission that he once served in Hitler's Waffen SS.

 
"Why do I say only now ... that the nuclear power Israel endangers an already fragile world peace? Because that must be said which may already be too late to say tomorrow," Grass wrote in the poem, published in German in Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

 
 
Chancellor Merkel and PM Netanyahu.(Photo: Reuters)

 
"Also because we - as Germans burdened enough - may become a subcontractor to a crime that is foreseeable," he wrote, adding that Germany's Nazi past and the Holocaust were no excuse for remaining silent now about Israel's nuclear capability.

 
"I will not remain silent because I am weary of the West's hypocrisy," wrote Grass, who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1999 for novels such as "The Tin Drum" chronicling the horrors of 20th century German history.

 
Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only nuclear weapons, which it neither confirms nor denies. These could be carried by Dolphin submarines it has bought from Germany.

 
The Jewish state has threatened to take military action, with or without US support, to halt what it sees as a nuclear threat from Iran. Tehran says it is developing nuclear technology for purely peaceful purposes.

 
Germany said recently it would sell Israel a sixth Dolphin submarine and shoulder part of the cost, although it also cautioned its ally that any military escalation with Iran could bring incalculable risks.

 
Eternal anti-Semite
The poem, also published in the New York Times and in Italy's La Repubblica, called for an international 'agency' to take permanent control of both Israel's nuclear weapons and Iran's atomic plant.

 
The Welt newspaper called Grass "the eternal anti-Semite" in a front page article commenting on the poem, which was widely circulated in advance of its publication.

 
"Grass is the prototype of the educated anti-Semite who means well with the Jews. He is hounded by guilt and feelings of shame and at the same time is driven by the wish to weigh up history," the newspaper wrote on Wednesday.

 
Grass is for many the voice of a German generation that came of age during Adolf Hitler's war and bore the burden of their parents' guilt.

 
But Grass, who for decades urged Germans come to terms with their Nazi past, lost much of his moral authority after his belated admission in 2006 that he had once served in Hitler's Waffen SS.

 
One of the most powerful organisations in Nazi Germany, the SS was first an elite force of volunteers that played a key role in the Holocaust, operating the death camps in which millions died. But by the war's end, most were drafted and many under 18.

 
Grass said he was called up to join the SS as a teenager and insisted that he never fired a shot. But some critics inside and outside Germany said this explanation had come too late.

 

Grass made the confession shortly before publishing his autobiography "Peeling Onions" which details his war service. 



From Welt online not a great transalation

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Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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He has always been a Nazi.

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Nothing disturbs a Jew-hater like this as much as knowing that Israel has nuclear bombs and the surrounding Arabs don't.  They can't sleep at night knowing that there's no parity in this regard.  "How dare the Jews have this superiority!", is their thinking and what keeps them up at night.   The worst crime against humanity for them is that a Jew or, better yet, a Jewish nation, can have superior defenses.

I am here to warn you:  Just like the arabs wouldn't rest until they brought down the Twin Towers, they will not rest until they wipe out Israel.  What do you think Iran is planning for right now?  Just like the '93 bombing of the Twin Towers was a prelude to their final destruction, will we say the same thing about the Six-Day War and the Yom Kippur wars against Israel?   How thick does a person have to be not see what is going on?  Who knows even a little bit about 20th century history and can't learn from it?  Will the lessons that Hitler taught Jews everywhere go unlearned? 

NEVER AGAIN!

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Nothing disturbs a Jew-hater like this as much as knowing that Israel has nuclear bombs and the surrounding Arabs don't.  They can't sleep at night knowing that there's no parity in this regard.  "How dare the Jews have this superiority!", is their thinking and what keeps them up at night.   The worst crime against humanity for them is that a Jew or, better yet, a Jewish nation, can have superior defenses.

I am here to warn you:  Just like the arabs wouldn't rest until they brought down the Twin Towers, they will not rest until they wipe out Israel.  What do you think Iran is planning for right now?  Just like the '93 bombing of the Twin Towers was a prelude to their final destruction, will we say the same thing about the Six-Day War and the Yom Kippur wars against Israel?   How thick does a person have to be not see what is going on?  Who knows even a little bit about 20th century history and can't learn from it?  Will the lesson's that Hitler taught Jews everywhere go unlearned? 

NEVER AGAIN!

Amen, and nicely said...
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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And people say Nazism was a "right-wing" ideology...

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He has always been a Nazi.

This guy is the worst Nazi ever. He supported all the leftist issues over decades. In the school the children were forced to read his garbage books. He supported the Muslim immigration.

First for the Führer and then for the destruction of the little good that was left in Europe. An animal of the highest order. This guy I hate him so much. I have seriously suffered under him in the school and from likeminded teachers.
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Not only that he falsely accused people who were never Nazis in Germany of being Nazis, a few times he had to apologize to these people.What a weasel he's almost as bad as little Richie Silverstein
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I wish people would finally comprehend that Nazi ideology isn't mutually exclusive with socialist leftist ideology. In this interview a German historian, who is actually a Jew, falls for this pitfall. The truth is the left accommodates the nazis like that Grass and legitimizes their ideology.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,825942,00.html
SPIEGEL ONLINE: What do you think of Günter Grass's poem, "What Must Be Said," which was published in Germany's center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper on Wednesday?

Wolffsohn: It would have fit well in the (German far-right weekly) National Zeitung -- and I mean that with no ifs or buts. In the poem, Grass makes the victims into perpetrators, and otherwise it contains pretty much every other anti-Semitic stereotype that we know from the far-right scene. And on top of that, the language is completely lacking in sophistication.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: In a statement on Wednesday, the Israeli Embassy in Berlin pointed out that the poem was published just before the feast of Passover.

Wolffsohn: I noticed that too. In doing so, Grass is following an ignoble tradition. The time around Passover has always been the time of pogroms and a time when the blood libel myth about Jews is disseminated.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Grass accuses Israel of claiming a "right to the first strike" which "could wipe out the Iranian people." Do you really think that he is following an anti-Semitic tradition with such statements?

Wolffsohn: At the very least, I would not have expected such cluelessness from a former practicing Catholic like Grass, given the current tension between different religions. Apart from anything else, this talk of a "first strike" is total nonsense.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Why?

Wolffsohn: Israel has never threatened to conduct a nuclear first strike. The submarines which are referred to in the poem provide a second-strike capability. If one's own territory has been devastated by a nuclear attack, submarines give a nation the ability to respond to the attack. That's something which is obvious to anyone who knows anything about military strategy. Grass clearly has no idea about the topic.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: But Grass also calls Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a "loudmouth" who has "subjugated" his people.

Wolffsohn: That doesn't make things any better. By using the word "loudmouth," he is trivializing the nuclearization of Iran. The Jews have learned from history that threats are more than just crazy talk -- thanks to Hitler, who Grass fought for.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: You are referring to the fact that Grass was recruited into the Waffen-SS as a teenager toward the end of World War II. It was against his will, as he explains in his autobiography "Peeling the Onion."

Wolffsohn: At it happens, I have just read the book, and was shocked by how he played it down. At the age of 17, one certainly does possess a political consciousness. Grass is simply not capable of self-criticism. Apart from that, he himself also writes in his "Onion" book that he had volunteered for the Navy and would have also been happy to join a tank regiment. Not his parents, however.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Do you believe him when he writes in his poem that he feels "connected" to the State of Israel?

Wolffsohn: I have never believed him. He was never a friend of the Jewish people -- this is a myth he constructed himself. During his very first visit to Israel on the occasion of the first German-Israeli "culture week" in 1971, he already acted like a bull in a china shop, and lectured the Israeli audience on historical and moral issues.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Grass writes that he was condemned to silence, because otherwise he would be accused of anti-Semitism.

Wolffsohn: This is a very common stance in Germany: According to a poll by the Allensbach Institute, 52 percent of Germans believe that, when it comes to the issue of Israel and Jews, it is too easy to fall flat on your face. I am very cautious about using the term (anti-Semitic), but what Grass has written is an anti-Semitic pamphlet compressed into pseudo-poetry. Moreover, the possibility of an Iranian attack on Israel is the subject of extensive public debate, as is the question of a conventional bombing of Iran by Israel. Grass is living in a dream world if he believes that there is some kind of taboo in that respect. It's yet another indication that the man engages entirely in navel-gazing.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Grass is 84 years old. Can one argue in his defense that maybe he is getting a bit too opinionated or even confused in his old age?

Wolffsohn: No. I know the complete works of Grass -- he is really formidable in terms of language. And this undeniable eloquence is, in his case, fundamentally shaped by a moral and intellectual brutality. He appoints himself as judge and jury. The man is the sum of all his prejudices. Quite apart from that, there are also great works of literature that were written by authors of a similar age -- think of Goethe's later works, for example.

Interview conducted by Christoph Twick

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Of course not Nazism is form of Socialism Govt centric
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And something else is illustrated perfectly by this issue. Evil people get the nobel price always for literature or peace. Normal people get it for hard science.
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Yes this is very true the leftists go for soft learning writing books ,movies, plays.Conservatives go in for hard Sciences
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Yes this is very true the leftists go for soft learning writing books ,movies, plays.Conservatives go in for hard Sciences

Yes yes, exatly.
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I think even science is being bastardize by progressive ideology. Pure exact science is harder to corrupt, yet still possible like the Nazis used to disregard scientific discoveries as "Jewish science".

One example I can think of is Paul Krugman who received the noble price for economics. Krugman is a first class leftist ideologue and he constantly calls for more taxes, more spending, more money printing as a cure for all recipe.