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Hamas: Better ALL die than ever recognize Israel (in any border)!

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davkakach:

--- Quote from: jeffguy on October 03, 2006, 12:59:51 AM ---The VERY LEAST they could do is expel all those arabs out of Israel! Just offer the idiots money to leave... that's the JTF way.

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Offering money is only part 1.

Part 2, which is very important, and which you omitted is,
"If they refuse the money, we will throw them out without
a penny of compensation."

With or without money, they must go.  Or die resisting.

With JTF in power, the Arabs will know about part 2, so
they will naturally opt for part 1.  Bloodshed will be unlikely.
Arabs are cowardly by nature.

TheCoon:
The first thing a Kahanist gov't should do is take every arab-muslim MP in the knesset and shoot them dead.

Shlomo:

--- Quote from: thunderbolt on October 03, 2006, 03:16:28 PM ---Nah, I'd rather prefer biological weapons or poison gas. They don't deserve to die quickly.
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While I completely share in your frustration, I have to admit that we should hate them, we should stop them, and we should kill them to defend ourselves when neccessary... BUT we should never enjoy the termination of another human being. Kill them? Ok. But not torture. We are more humane than that and those are G-d's creations even if they are evil piles of excrement. Each one is a soul that is very real, very lost, and yes, those people are evil and discusting... but we aren't animals. We don't torture or do the things we hate them for... we are more human than that.

When the egyptians were killed at the Red Sea... the Jews mourned for the loss of life even knowing the Egyptains chasing them had to die becuase of their utter crulty and arrogance. They knew there wasn't going to be a 'peace treaty'. They were so Holy... they saw reality. They knew that each person is an entire universe of it's own. We hate that we have to do this... but we do it only because it's neccessary and we are commanded to do it from G-d.

davkakach:

--- Quote ---When the egyptians were killed at the Red Sea... the Jews mourned for the loss of life even knowing the Egyptains chasing them had to die becuase of their utter crulty and arrogance. They knew there wasn't going to be a 'peace treaty'. They were so Holy... they saw reality. They knew that each person is an entire universe of it's own. We hate that we have to do this... but we do it only because it's neccessary and we are commanded to do it from G-d.
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Not accurate.  It was G-d and his angels who mourned the dead, evil Egyptians, because just like everyone else, they were G-d's children.  But the people of Israel sang the praises of G-d who liberated them (in accordance with G-d's expectation and Moses' command/request), and each Jew who had a dog would approach a corpse of an Egyptian and tell his dog, "Eat the hand that enslaved me."

Compassion and mourning for the evil are G-d's job.  Our job is to comply with G-d's commands and destroy and eliminate evil from this world, which was created to be only good, and by doing so not only do we benefit the rest of creation but we also benefit the evil person, because we prevent him from adding more sins to his soul, which is already in deep trouble, and thus reduce what could have been a much harsher punishment in the hereafter.

Shlomo:

--- Quote from: davkakach on October 04, 2006, 09:51:15 AM ---
--- Quote ---When the egyptians were killed at the Red Sea... the Jews mourned for the loss of life even knowing the Egyptains chasing them had to die becuase of their utter crulty and arrogance. They knew there wasn't going to be a 'peace treaty'. They were so Holy... they saw reality. They knew that each person is an entire universe of it's own. We hate that we have to do this... but we do it only because it's neccessary and we are commanded to do it from G-d.
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Not accurate.  It was G-d and his angels who mourned the dead, evil Egyptians, because just like everyone else, they were G-d's children.  But the people of Israel sang the praises of G-d who liberated them (in accordance with G-d's expectation and Moses' command/request), and each Jew who had a dog would approach a corpse of an Egyptian and tell his dog, "Eat the hand that enslaved me."

Compassion and mourning for the evil are G-d's job.  Our job is to comply with G-d's commands and destroy and eliminate evil from this world, which was created to be only good, and by doing so not only do we benefit the rest of creation but we also benefit the evil person, because we prevent him from adding more sins to his soul, which is already in deep trouble, and thus reduce what could have been a much harsher punishment in the hereafter.

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I remember the teaching about the mourning from one of the Rabbis here so I'm sure he had a reason he taught this message - being that he is very wise and studied. I agree that we are commanded to hate amalek and that we end the suffering of and from the wicked. My point is that we are above torturing people.

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