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Offline Israel Chai

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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2012, 03:15:51 AM »
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0:34 upside-down American flag with star. Not the star of David, but I don't think this guy is very nationalist. For, you know, the free world. I've been wrong before, though.
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2012, 03:22:35 AM »
If he is anti nationalist, screw him! And the antifa muslim-loving scum! Long live nationalism!

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« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2012, 11:02:40 AM »
If he is anti nationalist, screw him! And the antifa muslim-loving scum! Long live nationalism!

  The Arabs and Germans were/are also "nationalists".
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2012, 12:51:29 PM »
  The Arabs and Germans were/are also "nationalists".
But their nationalism is against the rest of the world so of course I exclude them. And the nazis were fascists, not nationalists. I'm a nationalist and I don't like fascism at all.

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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2012, 12:59:24 PM »
I think nationalism is only useful or viable if it limits itself somewhat. If you try to take over the entire world then you lose the nationalism somewhere along the way and end up a multiculturalist instead. That also violates other people's rights to have room and resources for their own people.

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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2012, 01:21:11 PM »
I think nationalism is only useful or viable if it limits itself somewhat. If you try to take over the entire world then you lose the nationalism somewhere along the way and end up a multiculturalist instead. That also violates other people's rights to have room and resources for their own people.

Yes, I remember when you came up with that, very wise.
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2012, 05:18:29 PM »
I think nationalism is only useful or viable if it limits itself somewhat. If you try to take over the entire world then you lose the nationalism somewhere along the way and end up a multiculturalist instead. That also violates other people's rights to have room and resources for their own people.
When it starts to violate other people it becomes fascism, that's not nationalism anymore. Like the Arabs, how many nations did they steal from indigenous Christian Semites? How they conquer the more civilized Persian people and forced them to be Muslims, threw out their old pre-islam gov. and replace it with this new Islamic vassal? Arabs have gone beyond nationalism, they are what would hitler be proud of.

Nationalism is also much better than conservatism, which is too moderate and weak, exactly what the PC liberals can control. It is controlled opposition to liberalism.

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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2012, 05:58:17 PM »
When it starts to violate other people it becomes fascism, that's not nationalism anymore. Like the Arabs, how many nations did they steal from indigenous Christian Semites? How they conquer the more civilized Persian people and forced them to be Muslims, threw out their old pre-islam gov. and replace it with this new Islamic vassal? Arabs have gone beyond nationalism, they are what would hitler be proud of.

Nationalism is also much better than conservatism, which is too moderate and weak, exactly what the PC liberals can control. It is controlled opposition to liberalism.

To me it seems you are comparing apples and oranges.

Nationalism is the desire for a people to have a nation.

Conservatism is the political belief that government should be limited in its scope, both in its ability to legislate and its ability to tax.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservatism

con·serv·a·tism   [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiz-uhm]  Show IPA

noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism?s=t

na·tion·al·ism   [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA

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1. national  spirit or aspirations.
2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation;  patriotism.
3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4. the desire for national  advancement or independence.
5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation,  viewed as separate from the interests of other nations  or the common interests of all nations.
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2012, 06:53:54 PM »
Conservatism and nationalism are two different things. So is conservatism and abortion. So is conservatism and Judeo-Christian values (unless there are conservatives amiss outside the free world, which I never heard of). But you can't claim to be fully the one without any of the others. Its more like comparing a screw and a car. The screw is not the conservative car (probably Hemmi) but what is the car but a grouping of parts? Without the things that make up conservatism, namely things that have and continue to work including those mentioned, what is conservatism, what is to be conserved about our way of life but the ways we handle things in our lives?

I'm getting good at this I think. I've never so forcefully and sneaky questionily argued semantics. Shezam bouyashaka and such.
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2012, 07:09:37 PM »
Conservatism and nationalism are two different things. So is conservatism and abortion. So is conservatism and Judeo-Christian values (unless there are conservatives amiss outside the free world, which I never heard of). But you can't claim to be fully the one without any of the others. Its more like comparing a screw and a car. The screw is not the conservative car (probably Hemmi) but what is the car but a grouping of parts? Without the things that make up conservatism, namely things that have and continue to work including those mentioned, what is conservatism, what is to be conserved about our way of life but the ways we handle things in our lives?

I'm getting good at this I think. I've never so forcefully and sneaky questionily argued semantics. Shezam bouyashaka and such.

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2012, 07:18:36 PM »
Yasher Koach {May you be strengthened}..

Ah bless you Muman.
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2012, 11:04:01 PM »
To me it seems you are comparing apples and oranges.

Nationalism is the desire for a people to have a nation.

Conservatism is the political belief that government should be limited in its scope, both in its ability to legislate and its ability to tax.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservatism

con·serv·a·tism   [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiz-uhm]  Show IPA

noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism?s=t

na·tion·al·ism   [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA

noun
1. national  spirit or aspirations.
2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation;  patriotism.
3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4. the desire for national  advancement or independence.
5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation,  viewed as separate from the interests of other nations  or the common interests of all nations.

I think the main difference is which ideas are emphasized. In nationalism it is pride, in conservatism it is traditions.

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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2012, 11:06:59 PM »
I think the main difference is which ideas are emphasized. In nationalism it is pride, in conservatism it is traditions.

Are there left wing nationalists, other than Neo-national socialists?
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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2012, 01:04:38 PM »
Are there left wing nationalists, other than Neo-national socialists?
I think "Palestinians", Basques, North Irish Catholics, Åland Swedes, and the Greenlandics are left-nationalists. And leftist nationalists are usually allies with each other ("Palestinians", Basques, and North Irish Catholics work together), when rightist nationalists fight with each other, unfortunately. We must stop the fighting between right-wing nationalist and unify!

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Re: Yimah Shemo to Germany, and Nazi Europe!
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2012, 10:53:27 PM »
I think "Palestinians", Basques, North Irish Catholics, Åland Swedes, and the Greenlandics are left-nationalists. And leftist nationalists are usually allies with each other ("Palestinians", Basques, and North Irish Catholics work together), when rightist nationalists fight with each other, unfortunately. We must stop the fighting between right-wing nationalist and unify!

Palestinian is not a nationality. You may have defeated "nationalism is right-wing" for now.
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