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Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
JR-Obilic:
It should be noted that many of the greatest Serbs in history are Montenegrins. Also, Montenegro was Montenegro long before it became united country with Serbia. And lastly, you don't have to worry about Albanians taking over Montenegro, worry about what's going on in Serbian Kosovo, if Turks couldn't take over Montenegro i doubt pigeons have a chance. As far as living there, there are Catholic Albanians who helped fight Turks who have lived in Montenegro for hundreds of years and live in peace with the Montenegrins. There is also some nazi turks and other nazis in the mix. It's a very tolerant country, but don't get it twisted, Montenegrins still run it and if anything are even more anti-Turk then people in Serbia.
The greatest Serbian warrior Milos Obilic is Montenegrin. As are many of today's powerful politicians in SERBIA... The greatest Serbian poet Njegos is Montenegrin. If u wanna know how Montenegrins think, you have to read his work. This is all undenyable and overall, in contrast to our numbers, we are very influential.
Even Slobodan Milosevic, Arkan and Radovan Karadžić are Montenegrin...
I consider myself a Serb even though i'm Montenegrin (i say Montenegrin Serb). But people from Serbia really should be thanking the Montenegrin people for our contributions to their culture if anything and worry about Kosovo, not Montenegro. We have survived a lot worse then finally getting to fully sperating from the remnants of TITOSLAVIA. It's not an anti-Serb move but a move in the best interest of Montenegro as a state. Do u think if Serbia went to war Montenegro would not support when half your politicians are Montenegrin and we're brothers? lol I'm a Montenegrin and i would die for Serbia.
And yea, i put my life on the fact that those people in the pictures holdin up the Albo flag were not Montenegrin..
JR-Obilic:
I should also explain the religious situation quickly.. Which directly translates into support/non-support of Serbia-Montenegro union.
In Montenegro you have Montenegrin Orthidox church and the Serbian Orthidox church. Neither are against Serbs, but the Montenegrin Orthidox church is for Montenegro while the Serbian one is for a Montenegro under Serbia. Montenegrin church is not recognized by the Vatican (not that it matters) but other then that religiously, there is no difference between the two and both are brothers. Montenegro church was pro-indiependance though and the Serbian one was pro-union and support in Montenegro is somewhere down the middle.
In Montenegro, you also have clans of families kind of like the clans of Scottland. When you say your last name people know who you belong to. These clans faught together against the Turks in the old battles. This is all embeded intro Montenegrin culture which is very anti-Islamofascist. Montenegrins are also known for being old school (ie. protective of their females), warrior types and very strong on family and Christian values overall.
Srbin:
--- Quote from: JR-Obilic on December 10, 2007, 07:56:29 AM ---It should be noted that many of the greatest Serbs in history are Montenegrins. Also, Montenegro was Montenegro long before it became united country with Serbia. And lastly, you don't have to worry about Albanians taking over Montenegro, worry about what's going on in Serbian Kosovo, if Turks couldn't take over Montenegro i doubt pigeons have a chance. As far as living there, there are Catholic Albanians who helped fight Turks who have lived in Montenegro for hundreds of years and live in peace with the Montenegrins. There is also some nazi turks and other nazis in the mix. It's a very tolerant country, but don't get it twisted, Montenegrins still run it and if anything are even more anti-Turk then people in Serbia.
The greatest Serbian warrior Milos Obilic is Montenegrin. As are many of today's powerful politicians in SERBIA... The greatest Serbian poet Njegos is Montenegrin. If u wanna know how Montenegrins think, you have to read his work. This is all undenyable and overall, in contrast to our numbers, we are very influential.
Even Slobodan Milosevic, Arkan and Radovan Karadžić are Montenegrin...
I consider myself a Serb even though i'm Montenegrin (i say Montenegrin Serb). But people from Serbia really should be thanking the Montenegrin people for our contributions to their culture if anything and worry about Kosovo, not Montenegro. We have survived a lot worse then finally getting to fully sperating from the remnants of TITOSLAVIA. It's not an anti-Serb move but a move in the best interest of Montenegro as a state. Do u think if Serbia went to war Montenegro would not support when half your politicians are Montenegrin and we're brothers? lol I'm a Montenegrin and i would die for Serbia.
And yea, i put my life on the fact that those people in the pictures holdin up the Albo flag were not Montenegrin..
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Um you're wrong. Montenegrians are serbs. Montenegro existed before serbia but that doesnt mean montenegrians are their own.
Anyway we are all brothers, and I do not like montenegrian separatists. (The ones that hate serbs, and claim there is only one laungauge and its montenegrian)
BTW, welcome to this forum!
milos:
--- Quote from: JR-Obilic on December 10, 2007, 08:00:28 AM ---I should also explain the religious situation quickly.. Which directly translates into support/non-support of Serbia-Montenegro union.
In Montenegro you have Montenegrin Orthidox church and the Serbian Orthidox church. Neither are against Serbs, but the Montenegrin Orthidox church is for Montenegro while the Serbian one is for a Montenegro under Serbia. Montenegrin church is not recognized by the Vatican (not that it matters) but other then that religiously, there is no difference between the two and both are brothers. Montenegro church was pro-indiependance though and the Serbian one was pro-union and support in Montenegro is somewhere down the middle.
In Montenegro, you also have clans of families kind of like the clans of Scottland. When you say your last name people know who you belong to. These clans faught together against the Turks in the old battles. This is all embeded intro Montenegrin culture which is very anti-Islamofascist. Montenegrins are also known for being old school (ie. protective of their females), warrior types and very strong on family and Christian values overall.
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Is this song for Petrovici :
ONAMO, ONAMO !...
Onamo, 'namo... za brda ona,
Govore da je razoren dvor
Mojega cara; onamo, vele,
Bio je negda junacki zbor.
Onamo, 'namo... da vidju Prizren -
Ta to je moje - doma cu poc'! -
Starina mila tamo me zove,
Tu moram jednom oruzan poc'.
Onamo, 'namo... sa razvalina
Dvorova carskih vragu cu rec':
"C ognjista milog bjezi mi, kugo
Zajam ti moram vracati vec !"
Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Kazuju da je zelen gaj
Pod kim se dizu Decani sveti :
Molitva u njih prisvaja raj !
Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona,
Gdje nebo plavo savija svod,
Na srpska polja, na polja bojna,
Onamo, braco, spremajmo hod !
Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Pogazen konjima klikuje Jug:
"Upomoc, djeco ! Upomoc sinci !
Svetit' me starca svet vam je dug !"
Onamo, 'namo... sabji za stara
Njegova rebra da tupim rez
Po turskim rebrim'; da b'jednoj raji
Njom istom s ruku ras'jecem vez !
Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Milosev, kazu, prebiva grob...
Onamo !... Pokoj dobicu dusi
Kad Srbin vise nebude rob.
Nikola I Petrovic-Njegos
and it is fact that Montenegro start in begin agains Turks with clan CRNOJECI, who was catolic, and do I Milos have right in my clasification in Montenegro ? Montenegro for me is region of populet Serbs ! Even King Nikola tell this : Montenigrian for you past and serbian milk ! Give ansfer and I will listen, I am objektiv !
JR-Obilic:
--- Quote from: Srbin on December 10, 2007, 09:02:01 AM ---"Um you're wrong. Montenegrians are serbs. Montenegro existed before serbia but that doesnt mean montenegrians are their own."
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--- Quote from: JR-Obilic on December 10, 2007, 07:56:29 AM ---
I'm a Montenegrin and i would die for Serbia.
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--- Quote from: JR-Obilic on December 10, 2007, 07:56:29 AM ---
I consider myself a Serb even though i'm Montenegrin (i say Montenegrin Serb).
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Thanks.. Good to be here.. And yea, all those people i listed are Montenegrins. Especially the most relevant ones (Obilic and Njegos). All i'm saying is Montenegrins have done nothing but protect Montenegro and contribute to Serbian culture and im just saying, we don't need to beg anyone for a right to exist as people in our beautiful Crna Gora. Any Serbs are welcome to move there. Some Serbian people not from Montenegro have this thing where they want Montenegrins to bow down to SERBIA as their master, and that just doesnt fly with us.
But by the explination of Montenegro being older, every Serb is a Montenegrin not the other way around.. So maybe u should join us and we'll call it VELIKA CRNA GORA. ahaha
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