Chaim's Own Words on MK Michael Ben-Ari

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Please sticky this, somebody.

I'm writing this in response to the infamous "subhuman" thread that caused so much controversy at JTF. That was not my term, I did not repeat it, and I don't advocate it being used on the "Kahanist" Knesset member Ben-Ari. However, I'm most certainly not going to defend MBA on this forum in any way, shape, or form. Let me remind you all of Chaim's words on MBA:

http://74.86.238.186/forum/index.php/topic,65140.msg567884.html?PHPSESSID=3dafakb9slt6fcosmba6dv86t6#msg567884

You stickied the thread and I unstickied it because we are not promoting Michael Ben Ari and his videos on this forum. After I unstickied it, you stickied it again. So the only way for me to stop the thread from being repeatedly stickied was to remove it.

We have made clear why we are opposing Ben Ari. He is not a Kahanist and not a genuine right-winger. If you want to support someone who says we must accept a nuclear-armed Iran, who condemns the underground fighters of Tag Mechir, who says that Jewish taxpayers should bail out and save the extreme left-wing newspaper Maariv, who blesses the memory of Yitzchak Rabin saying "zichrono livrachi" repeatedly after his name, who shakes hands with extreme left-wing Meretz traitors and blesses them with "shana tova" (good New Year), and who publicly ridicules our videos calling them "insanely laughable" - if all of this doesn't bother you, then support him. But we do not and will not support him.

You yourself told me that Baruch Marzel (the number two candidate on their party list) told you that I can go to Israel any time I want to. In other words, Marzel was claiming that I am not really banned from Israel, that I am making it up. This is just another example of how these people are vicious slanderers and backstabbers. I sent tens of thousands of dollars to help Marzel get elected to the Knesset - yet he repeatedly slandered me for no reason. What type of Jew behaves like this?

(emphasis and underlining mine. In addition to this, there is speculation that Baruch Marzel is a Shabak agent, and if that is the case, then he really is a Nazi.)

Chaim very clearly lays out his reasons in opposing MBA and his friend Marzel. I think they are more than sufficient to convince everyone here. I am aware that Chaim has said that we must not engage in over-the-top hatred of these individuals, and I respect him and will abide by his wishes on this forum. That being said, I don't agree with even Chaim all of the time. It is my own, personal opinion (not JTF's) that these individuals are more dangerous and more wicked than the open and honest Israeli far left. They are deliberately deceiving and confusing genuine right-wing Jews, particularly youths, who think they are getting the real deal. In my own opinion, MBA, Marzel, Guzofsky, etc. are a bunch of self-hating Jews who need a mental health evaluation. They are proclaiming to be a part of a movement that they clearly detest and it's all so that they can get the support and adulation of the NWO and its media organs. How are they different from somebody like Nellie the Weasel who sucks up to Obama and Bill Clinton, or Natan Sharansky who sucks up to Pat Nazi Buchanus?

I don't see how any reasonable, rational JTFer would think anything of these individuals besides that they are utter phonies and charlatans, but JTF is a political movement, not a cult that requires all of its members to think like one person.

YS to Pruneface

[muman613]

YS,

Nobody who spoke up in that thread defends any of this... The issue is whether it is appropriate to use such terminology... That, in my opinion, was the only complaint I had.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

YS,

Nobody who spoke up in that thread defends any of this... The issue is whether it is appropriate to use such terminology... That, in my opinion, was the only complaint I had.

I didn't use that term, and I don't support it. But I won't in any way minimize the evil that MBA is doing either.

[muman613]

I didn't use that term, and I don't support it. But I won't in any way minimize the evil that MBA is doing either.

I agree that the phony right has the potential to do a lot of damage in the coming election. We must alert everyone to this reality with the intention of providing further options in the future for the voter. I still am not clear on the JTF strategy in order to achieve this end goal. I listened to Ask JTF recently and Chaim did not offer much hope for the future. But we mustn't become defeatist and we must point out the failure of the current crop of so-called right wing leaders. I just wish someone could make connections to those currently in positions to gain power to persuade them to see the truth of our vision...

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I agree that the phony right has the potential to do a lot of damage in the coming election. We must alert everyone to this reality with the intention of providing further options in the future for the voter. I still am not clear on the JTF strategy in order to achieve this end goal. I listened to Ask JTF recently and Chaim did not offer much hope for the future. But we mustn't become defeatist and we must point out the failure of the current crop of so-called right wing leaders. I just wish someone could make connections to those currently in positions to gain power to persuade them to see the truth of our vision...

Honestly Muman, I think it would be better for Israel if Tzipi Hitler and the other open and honest extreme leftists win. Everybody knows that they stand for the destruction of the Jewish state and so when it comes time for them to send stormtroopers to commit ethnic cleansings, there will be hearty resistance. All of Israel's catastrophic surrenders and ethnic cleansings have come under Likud leaders and regimes. Obviously I'd rather have Kahanists in office than left-wing Nazis, but right now, all we have in Israel are phony Kahanist candidates. I wish Noam Federman would run.

[Lisa]

YS, no one here is saying you have to like Michael Ben Ari just because he's Jewish and he claims to be right wing.  So if you want to dislike him, go ahead.  The members here just have a problem with the word "subhuman" being thrown around, which you didn't start. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

YS, no one here is saying you have to like Michael Ben Ari just because he's Jewish and he claims to be right wing.  So if you want to dislike him, go ahead.  The members here just have a problem with the word "subhuman" being thrown around, which you didn't start.

I know that. I just wanted to clarify where Chaim and I stand on MBA and the other fake Kahanists, without using insults.

[בַּחַמַל]

I don't think Marzel is a Shabak agent, I think he is a phony.  He walks around with a beard trying to depict himself as a Charedi, but he is a Bnei Akiva "Modern Orthodox" type at best.  I can remember him mocking Lubavitch many years ago and ever since then I took note to be wary of him.

I also believe that Michael Ben Ari's corruption is caused by a shift in character that's taking place in Israel to the delight of its enemies.  Israel's people, including many of the religious and ultra religious have a large sense of self-entitlement and are only interested in their own personal gain regardless of consequence.  It's not their fault per se, since they have basically been brought up with feudalist socialism thanks to the racism and Marxism of the Israeli government since its creation, but it makes things incredibly difficult for idealist Olim Chadashim who have to interact with them.

The betrayal of of Mo'Etzet Pesha, and the phenomenon of thoroughly corrupt "religious" parties should only be expected to grow the more westernized Israel becomes.  Westernization is more dangerous than katyushas, fajirs, and quassams combines.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't think Marzel is a Shabak agent, I think he is a phony.

I don't know if he is for sure or not but there has been speculation that he is. If he is truly Shabak, then he is Amalek. If he is not, he is still a terrible phony and fraud.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

How does being Shabak make you Amalek??

Because you are a Nazi enemy of the Jewish people.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

If you are a Shabak agent you are helping the Israeli government destroy the Jewish people and land.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Doesn't that mean just special agents? Or does it directed refer to the expulsion police?

The Shabak has the "Jewish Department" and the "Arab Department". The first one is the problem.

[ChabadKahanist]

I don't know if they are Shabak agents or not but certianly they are phonys & liars

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't know if they are Shabak agents or not but certianly they are phonys & liars

I acknowledged that we can't prove it. They are still evil nonetheless.

"The best way to defeat an argument is to defend it with weak evidence". I will continue to be largely ignorant about these Shabak fellows unless someone gives me the run-down of who and are and what they've done (though I remember someone saying they post violent things to entrap Jews on forums), but if the Ben Ari squad wasn't the enemy, they'd still be their greatest weapon, and would be missing out on all the love and appreciation they're owned by them.

Huh?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I hate having to do this.

1. If you want to beat someone strong, fighting them will only make them stronger, and make more people support them. Put one of your own to turn their group into something you can destroy, and it is a stronger weapon than doing it yourself.

2. Tell me more about Shabak then I already know (mentionned)

3. If Ben Ari isn't working for the left, he's dumb, because they'd certainly reward his activities.

You still aren't making really clear sense but I think I know what you are getting at, mostly.

1: Are you saying that we should completely ignore the lies and slander being put out by these beasts? I don't think infiltrating the fake Kahanists is really workable to be honest, either.

If it were at all possible, I would suggest that Chaim sue their tuchises off.

2: The Shabak is the Israeli Secret Service. It's supposed to be gathering intelligence on Arab Nazis but in actuality what it does is bust up right-wing Jewish dissidents and throw them in the gulag.

3: I think he might well be working for the left. I sure as heck don't trust him one bit. He might even be working for the Saudis or Iran for all I know.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Shabak would not punish someone who is an agent for the Saudis or Iran because they would be helping to subvert right-wing Jewish patriots.