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Antwerp girls' school forced to admit boys

Belgian court's ruling sends shockwaves through Orthodox community, which believes it will lead to destruction of city's Jewish schools

Ynet
Published:    01.02.13, 14:15 / Israel Jewish Scene
   

VIDEO – A Belgian court in the city of Antwerp has forced a Jewish Orthodox school for girls, affiliated with the Belz Hasidic dynasty, to admit the two sons of a radical anti-Zionist haredi man, local and Jewish media worldwide report.

 
The ruling ends a long saga in which the city's different Jewish schools refused to accept the sons of Moshe Aryeh Friedman, although most educational institutions in Belgium – including the Jewish Orthodox ones – are subsidized by the Flemish Ministry of Education and therefore subjected to the laws of the state.

 
 

According to reports in different media outlets, led by the Gazet van Antwerpen newspaper, the Belgian judge ordered the "Bnos Yerushalayim" school to admit Friedman's two sons – seven-year-old Yosef and 11-year-old Yaakov – within five days, or pay a fine of thousands of euro per child for each day they are not allowed to study in the school.

 

The court's ruling is temporary until a final decision is made in regards to the two children ahead of the next school year. 

 

'If there are two boys there, others will likely follow.' Moshe Aryeh Friedman

 
The children's father, Moshe Friedman, 40, is a former Neturei Karta member who attended a Holocaust denial conference in Tehran in 2006 and was photographed kissing Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

 
Friedman said in an interview to Belgian television network ATV that the refusal to let his sons study in the girls' school was "an act of revenge by the local Jewish community due to my opinions and connections with world leaders.

 

He added that he had no choice but to register his sons into "Bnos Yerushalayim" because he wanted them to go to a Jewish school. "My children have nothing to do with my political opinions," he added.

 
Following the ruling, Friedman was the target of ads posted in the city's synagogues last weekend, "and everyone condemned his act because it could lead to a destruction of all schools in the city," haredi journalist Chaim Shaulson wrote in his "In the World of Haredim" blog.

 
Who is taking revenge on who?

The affair began in late 2011, when Friedman and his wife immigrated from New York to Antwerp, but found it difficult to find a yeshiva to take in their sons due to what he refers to as "revenge" on the part of some members of the Jewish community.

 
When he realized what was going on, Friedman said, he had no choice but to appeal the court based on a recent decision prohibiting discrimination against children according to their gender.

 
The court ruled that as most Jewish schools are considered public and are subsidized by the Flemish government, the school councils must obey the rules – including mixed education.

 
The school claimed that Orthodox Judaism requires separation between boys and girls within educational institutions, and that there are no male students or male teachers in the school – not to mention separate bathrooms. However, these claims were rejected by the court.

 

"Bnos Yerushalayim" principal told the Gazet in response that the school would likely appeal a higher court in light of the decision. The haredi community is accusing Friedman of attempting to extort money from the school in response to pulling his sons' registration.

 

Friedman interviewed by Belgian TV

 

Blogger Chaim Shaulson raised the assumption that Friedman had hoped the Belz institutions would admit his sons to the Talmud Torah school, but that the Hasidic sect decided to teach him a lesson and admit them into the girls' school.

 
"There is no doubt that the boys will feel discomfort and will not want to be there, especially as the girls have been educated to stay away from boys and not talk to them. They will be lonely and will eventually leave."

 
However, the row sparked on the Belgian haredi street points to a certain distress.

 
In favor of mixed education

Meanwhile, it appears that Friedman, who is used to rows, is satisfied with the decision, "first of all so that our children are able to study in whichever school we choose," he said, "but also because it puts an end to discrimination.

 
"Separate schools for boys and girls are illegal. And why won't they allow mixed education till the age of 13?"

 

Asked whether it didn't bother him, as a haredi man, that his sons were to study in a school with 500 girls, Friedman added: "They are smart boys… And if there are two boys there, other boys will likely follow in their footsteps."

 
Friedman and his wife Leah have seven children. According to media reports, his three daughters – aged 13, 15 and 17 – are not studying either, after their father tried to register them into local Jewish school "Yavne," which refused to admit them.

 
The court is expected to issue an interim decision on this case as well.
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Re: Antwerp's Religious girls School forced to admit 2 Neutered Karta boys
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2013, 11:33:26 AM »
Just like their father they will probably grow up to become f@gs.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2013, 12:33:06 PM »
Just like their father they will probably grow up to become f@gs.
you're right
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2013, 11:01:07 PM »
I am completely outraged by this! And now more than ever, I am convinced that Neturei Karta are interested in destroying the Jewish community!

This man could have sued a BOYS school to allow his sons attend. But he purposely fought so that his sons could attend a school where only girls should study! Boys and girls are taught to live separetely, why in the world with this sham karta man disregard the male and female separation? Even if he says they are "smart boys"- who cares, that doesn't matter if they are smart or not. It has nothing to do with teaching boys that they should let girls go to school and that boys should study with other boys at the Yeshiva.

If this man was being honest, he could have fought that his daughters be admitted into the girl's school. Instead he makes his son attend girls school. I don't care if his sons are "uncomfortable" all the female students will be uncomfortable having to have two boys int he school. What a shameful act of this hypocrite.

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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2013, 11:25:35 PM »

This man could have sued a BOYS school to allow his sons attend. But he purposely fought so that his sons could attend a school where only girls should study!

Exactly.  This is insane. 

That being said, when he says why can't they teach boys and girls together before 13.... Is that a halachic concept?   I mean, are schools really forbidden in halacha to have boys and girls in the same class pre bar and bat mitzvah age?  Or is this just the mores of today's Jewish society?   I do now know this issue or the laws.   Maybe it's something worth rethinking anyway, even though it seems like this guy is just trying to tear down the Jewish society.   

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Re: Antwerp's Religious girls School forced to admit 2 Neutered Karta boys
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 01:39:48 AM »
Boys and girl can mingle at a young age but this school is Chassidic and it would be their custom to have all boy schools and all girl schools. At a young age, children would learn not to intermingle. Just based on their adherence to Chassidut.

On the other hand, some non-Jewish schools also do choose to have all boy or all girl private schools as well. There are private christian schools that do that.

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 01:49:14 AM »
Now Friedman becomes "progressive".

 But the main point is, that all people today believe that there is no problem with taking money from the gouvernment. They didn't see the reality. Nothing in this world is for free. Of cause you have payback every Euro you take in the one or another way. The development of this story lies in the nature of the issue.

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2013, 04:55:14 AM »
Now Friedman becomes "progressive".

 But the main point is, that all people today believe that there is no problem with taking money from the gouvernment. They didn't see the reality. Nothing in this world is for free. Of cause you have payback every Euro you take in the one or another way. The development of this story lies in the nature of the issue.

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The thing is it's the government that takes money from the people by taxes. The Charedim in Brussles aren't poor, lots of them work in the diamond industry and pay high income taxes. If they refuse to get any state budget to their schools the taxes they pay aren't going to be lower.

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 05:55:24 AM »
What Ulli said is actually true.If religious groups here in the U.S. didn't accept Govt money they wouldn't have to give abortions or birth control to it's workers.
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2013, 06:49:22 AM »
What Ulli said is actually true.If religious groups here in the U.S. didn't accept Govt money they wouldn't have to give abortions or birth control to it's workers.

Not only is what Ulli said true, but it applies to more than just religious groups. The bottom line is, if any organization takes money from the government it will eventually have to abide by whatever rules the government imposes on it, like it or not.
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