Radio Host Tears Into "Offended" Muslim

[Cyrizian]

BTW:
QUOTE:"Why? Because that is the path of Yeshua."


No problems. Do it if YOUR scripture tells you.

However, the 'J' in JTF stands for 'Jewish'. Jews don't follow that man. So kindly stop advising Jews and Noachides to adhere to principles that WE don't subscribe to and don't appear in OUR scripture.

I understand that and I am not expecting you to do that. But in the end it is God alone who has the right to judge. From both of our scripture:

To me (God) belongeth vengeance and recompence. -Deuteronomy 32:35

Thats all I'm saying. Let God be the judge of who they are. I only hate the evil act.

[Yisrael]

The lofty praises of God are in their throats, and a double-edged sword is in their hand – to execute vengeance among the nations, rebukes among the governments. (Psalms 149:7-8)

So vengeance isn't only for God.

[newman]

Cyrizian,

Gentiles (and I'm one) are on a slippery slope when we read Torah passages without the benefit of an orthodox Hebrew perspective.

I've heard Orthodox Rabbis have say repeatedly..." Jews are required to hate their enemies"...not hate the enemies actions whilst loving them, but to 'hate the enemy'.......period. No qualifications about acts versus person.

Another Torah passage:

" He who is kind to the wicked will soon be wicked to the kind"

If you doubt the profundity of that, Just look at the ACLU lawyers. They are so kind and loving to their rapist clients that they emotionally rip the rapist's victims to shreds in court.

Now....we will never agree on theology. But that's OK, it doesn't matter for the purpose of co-existance and working in common unterest. Whilst
I have no problem with you being as civil and nice and christian as you want to be. I won't, however have you lecture non-christians about righteousness or biblical principles.

Fair enough?

[newman]

"So vengeance isn't only for G-d."

Thankyou, Yisrael.

One of the 7 laws of Noach is that we establish courts of Justice for the purpose of 'judging people' and extracting vengeance for their crimes.

[Ehud]

Wow this guy seems great.  You can listen to his show streaming on the internet at http://boortz.com/

[Yisrael]

A real mentch.

Great guy!

[Cyrizian]

Cyrizian,

Gentiles (and I'm one) are on a slippery slope when we read Torah passages without the benefit of an orthodox Hebrew perspective.

I've heard Orthodox Rabbis have say repeatedly..." Jews are required to hate their enemies"...not hate the enemies actions whilst loving them, but to 'hate the enemy'.......period. No qualifications about acts versus person.

Another Torah passage:

" He who is kind to the wicked will soon be wicked to the kind"

If you doubt the profundity of that, Just look at the ACLU lawyers. They are so kind and loving to their rapist clients that they emotionally rip the rapist's victims to shreds in court.

Now....we will never agree on theology. But that's OK, it doesn't matter for the purpose of co-existance and working in common unterest. Whilst
I have no problem with you being as civil and nice and christian as you want to be. I won't, however have you lecture non-christians about righteousness or biblical principles.

Fair enough?

Well that is fair. But I will remind you that I was not lecturing you and that it was you who asked me about where I stand on hitler and other criminals. Some on here have said that "loving your enemy" is a self destructive law. But I must respectfully disagree. Afterall, if a certain christian had not done this I (as well as Whalid shoebat and others) would probably still be a muslim. It is also why I think christianity is the largest religion on earth. And while I don't ask that you adopt a policy of loving your enemy, I do respectfully ask that you accept the fact that it works.

With Hope,
Cyrizian

[Ehud]

Loving your enemy works?  I'd like to hear you expand on that.  Be sure to include historical precedents where being kind to enemies works.

[newman]

Did loving our enemy defeat the Spanish amada, hitler, WW2 Japs?

Get real.

BTW: You WERE lecturing people on other threads.

[Ehud]

"I do respectfully ask that you accept the fact that it works."

?? You're "respectfully" asking us to accept that it works?  Sort of how Muslims "respectfully" ask other people to accept Allah and Mohammad as his prophet?  You're basically proselytizing but in a sneaky way.  You're asking people to accept a fundamental Christian belief.  That's proselytizing.  We don't have anything against Christianity but please Cyrizian, keep it to yourself and don't ask anyone to accept anything that you believe.  I am respectfully asking you to stop.

[Cyrizian]

Did loving our enemy defeat the Spanish amada, hitler, WW2 Japs?

Get real.

BTW: You WERE lecturing people on other threads.

Newman, I am starting to believe that your heart is as cold as ice. If you were in charge of the U.S.A. during World War II we would have continued nuking Japan until there were no Japanese left on earth. But thank god we didn't have you in charge! Instead we offered a hand of mercy to our enemies and built them up to awesome force they are today in the technological world. I hope you never hold any sort of power...

[Cyrizian]

"I do respectfully ask that you accept the fact that it works."

?? You're "respectfully" asking us to accept that it works?  Sort of how Muslims "respectfully" ask other people to accept Allah and Mohammad as his prophet?  You're basically proselytizing but in a sneaky way.  You're asking people to accept a fundamental Christian belief.  That's proselytizing.  We don't have anything against Christianity but please Cyrizian, keep it to yourself and don't ask anyone to accept anything that you believe.  I am respectfully asking you to stop.

I am just giving testimony that I would have been a different person under different circumstances. I am not prselytizing but if you want to believe that I am, than that is your call. You can believe whatever you wish. But know this: I will never try to force you to believe what I believe. I only ask you to look at the facts and judge for yourself.

[Ehud]

If people like you Cyrizian were in power, the Western World would cease to exist because savage people don't respond well to olive branch offerings.  They see that as a sign of weakness.  If you were in power the Western World would crumble, oh wait, people like you are already in power in much of it and that is already starting to happen!

[newman]

Did loving our enemy defeat the Spanish amada, hitler, WW2 Japs?

Get real.

BTW: You WERE lecturing people on other threads.

Newman, I am starting to believe that your heart is as cold as ice. If you were in charge of the U.S.A. during World War II we would have continued nuking Japan until there were no Japanese left on earth. But thank G-d we didn't have you in charge! Instead we offered a hand of mercy to our enemies and built them up to awesome force they are today in the technological world. I hope you never hold any sort of power...

Yes. That's the point.

We offered a hand of mercy AFTER our enemy was COMPLETELY SMASHED and BEGGING for his life. I'll go along with that.

And FYI:

I'm not without mecy or pity. It's just that whatever mercy or pity or love I have is reserved exclusively for the chosen people. I have NOT ONE OUNCE for the enemies of B'nai Yisroel.

[Cyrizian]

If people like you Cyrizian were in power, the Western World would cease to exist because savage people don't respond well to olive branch offerings.  They see that as a sign of weakness.  If you were in power the Western World would crumble, oh wait, people like you are already in power in much of it and that is already starting to happen!

You certainly are a very paranoid person Ze'ev. I know very well how they perceive us. But there is a huge difference between us: I still have hope that Arabs can one day be a better people. Yes, we will have to kill several of the more fanatical ones, just like we did with the Japanese. But like the Japanese, they can be reformed. I, Whalid Shoebat, Wafa Sultan and others are living proof of that.

[Ehud]

If people like you Cyrizian were in power, the Western World would cease to exist because savage people don't respond well to olive branch offerings.  They see that as a sign of weakness.  If you were in power the Western World would crumble, oh wait, people like you are already in power in much of it and that is already starting to happen!

You certainly are a very paranoid person Ze'ev. I know very well how they perceive us. But there is a huge difference between us: I still have hope that Arabs can one day be a better people. Yes, we will have to kill several of the more fanatical ones, just like we did with the Japanese. But like the Japanese, they can be reformed. I, Whalid Shoebat, Wafa Sultan and others are living proof of that.

Of course SOME of them can be reformed.  You just listed some of the most extreme examples.  That is definitely the exception to the rule.  There are hundreds, possibly thousands of new converts to Islam every single day.  It's one of the fastest religions in the world.  The fundamentalist Islamics have been behaving the same way since the 7th century.  It's 1400 years later and you STILL think they can be reformed?  The small amount of these apostate Muslims is grossly overshadowed by the amount of Muslim extremists that are recruited into Islam every day.

[newman]

The fascists of germany, japan and elsewhere were reformed AFTER they were DEFEATED and SMASHED........not before.

[Ehud]

If Hitler was treated nicely by his enemies, he would have taken over the world.  If Islam was treated nicely by its enemies, Islam would have taken over Europe. 

[Cyrizian]

And the Japanese believed that the emperor was God and the Japanese were willing to die in mass suicides for him for how many centuries? Look, I'm sure you believe differently, but I believe that no one is beyond redemption. Have a little faith! I promise you will find that it is better way to look at life.

With hope,
Cyrizian

[newman]

OY VEY