Some Evangelicals are pro Moslem

[mord]

Btw this writer does'nt really understand the difference BTW evengelicals and Fundementlists.Fundementalists have always been the core of pro Israel Christians,Evangelicals have always been a mixed bag


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/us/29evangelical.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Coalition of Evangelicals Voices Support for Palestinian State
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By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: July 29, 2007
In recent years, conservative evangelicals who claim a Biblical mandate to protect Israel have built a bulwark of support for the Jewish nation — sending donations, denouncing its critics and urging it not to evacuate settlements or forfeit territory.

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Letter to President Bush from Evangelical Leaders (July 29, 2007) Now more than 30 evangelical leaders are stepping forward to say these efforts have given the wrong impression about the stance of many, if not most, American evangelicals.

On Friday, these leaders sent a letter to President Bush saying that both Israelis and Palestinians have “legitimate rights stretching back for millennia to the lands of Israel/Palestine,” and that they support the creation of a Palestinian state “that includes the vast majority of the West Bank.”

They say that being a friend to Jews and to Israel “does not mean withholding criticism when it is warranted.” The letter adds, “Both Israelis and Palestinians have committed violence and injustice against each other.”

The letter is signed by 34 evangelical leaders, many of whom lead denominations, Christian charities, ministry organizations, seminaries and universities.

They include Gary M. Benedict, president of The Christian and Missionary Alliance, a denomination of 2,000 churches; Richard J. Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary; Gordon MacDonald, chairman of World Relief; Richard E. Stearns, president of World Vision; David Neff, editor of Christianity Today; and Berten A. Waggoner, national director and president of The Vineyard USA, an association of 630 churches in the United States.

“This group is in no way anti-Israel, and we make it very clear we’re committed to the security of Israel,” said Ronald J. Sider, president of Evangelicals for Social Action, which often takes liberal positions on issues. “But we want a solution that is viable. Obviously there would have to be compromises.”

They are clearly aiming their message not just at President Bush, but at the Muslim world and policy makers in the State Department.

Mr. Sider said he and three other evangelical leaders got the idea for the letter in February at the U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar, where they met Muslim and American diplomats who were shocked to discover the existence of American evangelicals who favored a Palestinian state. Mr. Sider says they will translate the letter into Arabic and distribute it in the Middle East and Europe.

“We think it’s crucial that the Muslim world realize that there are evangelical Christians in the U.S. in large numbers that want a fair solution,” Mr. Sider said.

In the last year and half, liberal and moderate evangelicals have initiated two other efforts that demonstrated fissures in the evangelical movement. Last year, they parted with the conservative flank by campaigning against climate change and global warming. This year, they denounced the use of torture in the fight against terrorism. Some of the participants in those campaigns also signed this letter.

The Rev. Joel C. Hunter, senior pastor of Northland Church in Longwood, Fla., said, “There is a part of the evangelical family which is what I call Christian Zionists, who are just so staunchly pro-Israel that Israel and their side can do no wrong, and it’s almost anti-Biblical to criticize Israel for anything. But there are many more evangelicals who are really open and seek justice for both parties.”

The loudest and best-organized voices in the evangelical movement have been sending a very different message: that the Palestinians have no legitimate claim to the land.

The Rev. John Hagee, who founded Christians United for Israel, was informed of the letter and read most of it. He responded: “Bible-believing evangelicals will scoff at that message.

“Christians United for Israel is opposed to America pressuring Israel to give up more land to anyone for any reason. What has the policy of appeasement ever produced for Israel that was beneficial?” Mr. Hagee said.

“God gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob a covenant in the Book of Genesis for the land of Israel that is eternal and unbreakable, and that covenant is still intact,” he said. “The Palestinian people have never owned the land of Israel, never existed as an autonomous society. There is no Palestinian language. There is no Palestinian currency. And to say that Palestinians have a right to that land historically is an historical fraud.”

Christians United for Israel held a conference with 4,500 attendees in Washington this month, and Mr. Hagee sends e-mail action alerts on Israel every Monday to 55,000 pastors and leaders.

There is a crucial theological difference between Mr. Hagee’s views on Israel and those expressed by the letter writers, said Timothy P. Weber, a church historian, former seminary president and the author of “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel’s Best Friend.”

Mr. Hagee and others are dispensationalists, Mr. Weber said, who interpret the Bible as predicting that in order for Christ to return, the Jews must gather in Israel, the third temple must be built in Jerusalem and the Battle of Armageddon must be fought.

Mr. Weber said, “The dispensationalists have parlayed what is a distinctly minority position theologically within evangelicalism into a major political voice.”

[newman]

Hagee is right! Anybody who could contemplate giving one inch of Biblical Israel away to savages is a heretic and should be stoned to death.

[mord]

They don'nt have stoning in Christianity

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I think some of you may remember my thread attacking "Satanism Today".

Fuller Seminary is a well-known whorehouse very close to where I live that is populated by the so-called "postmodern Christians".

World Vision is a flat-out Nazi aid organization that accuses Israel and Sri Lanka of "genocide". 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

There is a crucial theological difference between Mr. Hagee’s views on Israel and those expressed by the letter writers, said Timothy P. Weber, a church historian, former seminary president and the author of “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel’s Best Friend.”

Mr. Hagee and others are dispensationalists, Mr. Weber said, who interpret the Bible as predicting that in order for Christ to return, the Jews must gather in Israel, the third temple must be built in Jerusalem and the Battle of Armageddon must be fought.

Mr. Weber said, “The dispensationalists have parlayed what is a distinctly minority position theologically within evangelicalism into a major political voice.”

Well, speaking as an evangelical, I can say that this Jew-hating crackhead Weber has no idea what he is talking about. Most Christians do NOT support the Jews because they believe they are needed to bring about the second coming of Christ. Most Christians love Israel because they realize Judaism is their own heritage and without the L-rd choosing to use the Jews of Scripture to reveal himself to them, they would not be here today.

[MasterWolf1]

There is a great portion of Christians that aren't really Christians. I mean Jesse Jackson and Al Harpoon claim to be ministers.  So yea there are plenty out there that distort everything Chrisitanity is all about.  As a Christian myself fraud so called Evangelicals are the one that commit the most sin.  Remember that fraud Jim Baker and his wife that milked old people out of their finances.  Forgot the name of the other so called minister that said you go to damation and hell if you have sex outside the marriage and was hiring Jessica Hahn some trailer whore to go to motels with him.  But these aren't Christians.  They use the faith for themselves not for what it stands for.

[ftf]

I'm not going to call Weber, a crackhead, I think I'll just stick with the term lacking in understanding. I am completely with Mr Hagee.

[Catholic Zionist 73]

Horiffic, regardless of religious beliefs, the Arabs already have 80% of Palestine, they just re-named it JORDAN!!!!!

Why else would the PLO/Hamas wave the Jordanian flag, with the star ripped out?

[Dr. Dan]

There is a crucial theological difference between Mr. Hagee’s views on Israel and those expressed by the letter writers, said Timothy P. Weber, a church historian, former seminary president and the author of “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel’s Best Friend.”

Mr. Hagee and others are dispensationalists, Mr. Weber said, who interpret the Bible as predicting that in order for Christ to return, the Jews must gather in Israel, the third temple must be built in Jerusalem and the Battle of Armageddon must be fought.

Mr. Weber said, “The dispensationalists have parlayed what is a distinctly minority position theologically within evangelicalism into a major political voice.”

Well, speaking as an evangelical, I can say that this Jew-hating crackhead Weber has no idea what he is talking about. Most Christians do NOT support the Jews because they believe they are needed to bring about the second coming of Christ. Most Christians love Israel because they realize Judaism is their own heritage and without the L-rd choosing to use the Jews of Scripture to reveal himself to them, they would not be here today.

hehe, I like these types of christians..my favorite gentiles

[Ari]

Disgraceful

[RationalThought110]

Not all evangelicals have the same views.  Somehow, a guy who claims to be a leader of a group advocates for Al Gore's "Global Warming".

[RationalThought110]

There is a great portion of Christians that aren't really Christians. I mean Jesse Jackson and Al Harpoon claim to be ministers.  So yea there are plenty out there that distort everything Chrisitanity is all about.  As a Christian myself fraud so called Evangelicals are the one that commit the most sin.  Remember that fraud Jim Baker and his wife that milked old people out of their finances.  Forgot the name of the other so called minister that said you go to damation and hell if you have sex outside the marriage and was hiring Jessica Hahn some trailer whore to go to motels with him.  But these aren't Christians.  They use the faith for themselves not for what it stands for.

Aren't Sharpton and Jackson part of the Black Panthers?  Their were probably declared as ministers by a church that represents Black Panthers.