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Offline Tag-MehirTzedek

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Do Jews Believe in a Santa Claus Messiah?
« on: November 03, 2013, 11:05:52 AM »
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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Re: Do Jews Believe in a Santa Claus Messiah?
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2013, 04:25:20 PM »
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/pew-on-you/

 Great article (didn't finish it though maybe later) but not relevant to the thread.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Do Jews Believe in a Santa Claus Messiah?
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2013, 06:04:54 PM »
Jews don't believe in Santa Claus (it is a Christian invention).

But it is essential for a religious Jew to believe in the coming of Moshiach. This is one of the 13 principles of Rambam, and every sage and commentator of the Torah agrees that the belief in Moshiach is a basic principles of Jewish faith.

I cannot see how Santa Claus can be compared to Moshiach though. That is a stretch of the imagination.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Do Jews Believe in a Santa Claus Messiah?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2013, 05:40:58 PM »
Jews don't believe in Santa Claus (it is a Christian invention).

But it is essential for a religious Jew to believe in the coming of Moshiach. This is one of the 13 principles of Rambam, and every sage and commentator of the Torah agrees that the belief in Moshiach is a basic principles of Jewish faith.

I cannot see how Santa Claus can be compared to Moshiach though. That is a stretch of the imagination.

 1) Did you watch the video before commenting?
 2) In truth they are completely different, in  the minds of some similar, perhaps instead of Santa Clause the title could have been yeshu, but anyway the point is the same- its belief in fairy tales instead of a reality with a real life King with power and struggle and working through the physical world instead of one supposedly performing supernatural type of things and actions- "miracles".
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.