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Re: man kills homo daughter
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2014, 10:05:18 PM »
There was a lecture on Jeff and the Rabbi where they say you should change things to a good or bad name, if you want society to think good or bad about that name. That's why we make fun of Yoske and other bad people, to encourage resistance.

Please!  The original thread was about a Muslim convert killing his lesbian daughter.  Why does it have to become a whole Judaism vs. Christianity thing?  We're Jews and so we believe in Judaism, which is well understood here. 

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2014, 10:31:27 PM »
Please!  The original thread was about a Muslim convert killing his lesbian daughter.  Why does it have to become a whole Judaism vs. Christianity thing?  We're Jews and so we believe in Judaism, which is well understood here.

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Re: man kills homo daughter
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2014, 12:30:27 AM »
Chaim has said that lesbianism is explicitly forbidden to everybody because it is the sin of Egypt.

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2014, 12:35:58 AM »
Chaim has said that lesbianism is explicitly forbidden to everybody because it is the sin of Egypt.
He is correct,however it is rabbinic & would not require a death penalty only whipping.

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Re: man kills homo daughter
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2014, 12:41:23 AM »
Both of you are right.

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A midrash, Sifra Aharei Mot 8:8–9, states that this refers to sexual customs, and that one of those customs was the marriage of women to each other, as well as a man to a woman and to her daughter. Maimonides, in his Mishneh Torah, summarizes the matter as follows:[2]
For women to be mesollelot[vague] with one another is forbidden, as this is the practice of Egypt, which we were warned against: "Like the practice of the land of Egypt ... you shall not do" (Leviticus 18:3). The Sages said [in the midrash of Sifra Aharei Mot 8:8–9], "What did they do? A man married a man, and a woman married a woman, and a woman married two men." Even though this practice is forbidden, one is not lashed [as for a Torah prohibition] on account of it, since there is no specific prohibition against it, and there is no real intercourse. Therefore, [one who does this] is not forbidden to the priesthood because of harlotry, and a woman is not prohibited to her husband by this, since it is not harlotry. But it is appropriate to administer to them lashings of rebellion [i.e., those given for violation of rabbinic prohibitions], since they did something forbidden. And a man should be strict with his wife in this matter, and should prevent women known to do this from coming to her or from her going to them.

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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2014, 01:14:17 AM »
He is correct,however it is rabbinic & would not require a death penalty only whipping.


Obviously Rabbinic Laws don't apply to goyim. However, goyim are required to set up a court system. So if a Non-Jewish country would enact a prohibition of lesbianism, it would have the status of Dina D'Malchuta Dina, and goyim living in that country would be required to keep those laws and face civil penalties for engaging in that type of behavior. I guess the civil laws would be equivalent to the Rabbinic prohibition but most countries allow even male homosexuality. I guess in Muslim countries, women would be required to abstain from such behavior. But then again Sharia is religious law so I don't know if it qualifies as setting up a court system in Gentile countries. Shariah has other issues that violate the Noahide Laws such as permitting murder and stealing against infidels. So therefore I don't know if a ban on lesbianism for goyim actually applies anywhere.

Of course Christians can make up their own laws about it but I don't know any Christian countries that apply religious law as law of the land. Most Christian countries are now Liberal Left Wing countries. Even in England, where is there is a state Church, they allow homosexual marriage.