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Egyptian commentator calls for Israel to provide compensation for materials Torah says Jews took during Passover story.

Middle-Eastern countries have a tendency to hold a grudge against Israel, whether over Israel winning the 1967 war or daring to establish independence in 1948.

But, as of earlier this month, an Egyptian columnist has called for Israel to pay Cairo reparations - and this time, it's Biblical.

"We want compensation for the [Ten] Plagues that were inflicted upon [us] as a result of the curses that the Jews' ancient forefathers [cast] upon our ancient forefathers, who did not deserve to pay for the mistake that Egypt's ruler at the time, Pharaoh as the Torah calls him, committed," Ahmad Al-Gamal, a writer for the Al-Yawm Al-Sabi' daily. Translations of the article were provided by The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

"For what is written in the Torah proves that it was Pharaoh who oppressed the Children of Israel, rather than the Egyptian people. [But] they inflicted upon us the plague of locusts that didn't leave anything behind them; the plague that transformed the Nile's waters into blood, so nobody could drink of them for a long time; the plague of darkness that kept the world dark day and night; the plague of frogs; and the plague of the killing of the firstborn, namely every first offspring born to woman or beast, and so on."

"We want compensation for the gold, silver, copper, precious stones, fabrics, hides and lumber, and for [all] animal meat, hair, hides and wool, and for other materials that I will mention [below], when quoting the language of the Torah," he continued.  "All these are materials that the Jews used in their rituals. These are resources that cannot be found among desert wanderers unless they took them before their departure..."

Later in the article Al-Gamal claimed that Israel stole the materials from ancient Egypt, purely out of spite.

"The stories of the Holy Scriptures state that the Israelites set off from the [Nile] valley at night and went to the Sinai Peninsula. This is known to be a desert, where there is no use for large quantities of gold, silver, precious stones, meats, oils, fabrics and the like. Therefore, it is clear that the Israelites took all these things from Egypt before they left."

He quoted a translated version of the Torah, allegedly to prove his point.

"Chapter 25 of Exodus, on the [Israelites'] departure [from Egypt], states: 'The Lord said to Moses: Tell the Israelites to bring me an offering... These are the offerings you are to receive from them: gold, silver and bronze; blue, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen; goat hair;  ram skins dyed red and another type of durable leather; acacia wood; olive oil for the light; spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense;  and onyx stones and other gems to be mounted on the ephod and breastpiece. Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them."

He continued by calling on the international community to calculate the modern-day value of ancient shekels for compensation.

": 'The total amount of the gold from the wave offering used for all the work on the sanctuary was 29 talents and 730 shekels, according to the sanctuary shekel...'," he noted. "I call upon everyone with an interest in Torah studies to instruct us on a scientific basis what is the [precise] meaning of the word 'talent.'  How many grams is it currently worth, what was the weight of the sheqel during those days, especially as it was made out of solid pure gold and pure silver?"

The events Al-Gamal describes are from the Pesach, or Passover, story of the Jews being freed from ancient Egypt. The midrash and other Torah commentaries do say that Israel was told to take spoils from Egypt, notably during the plague of darkness. Some could argue that this is compensation, however, for 210 years of forced labor under Egyptian rule.

In the same article, Al-Gamal also calls for compensation from the Turks for invading Egypt during the Ottoman period, from the French for Napoleon's invasion in the 19th century, and the British for 72 years of occupation.
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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 03:36:35 PM »
This isn't a new story. This has been said a few years ago AND at the time of Alexander the Great. They made a court case and were made to shut up in the face of real justice.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 03:38:43 PM »

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin

Folio 91a

On another occasion the Egyptians came in a lawsuit against the Jews before Alexander of Macedon. They pleaded thus: 'Is it not written, And the Lord gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, and they lent them [gold and precious stones, etc.]20  Then return us the gold and silver which ye took!' Thereupon Gebiha b. Pesisa said to the Sages, 'Give me permission to go and plead against them before Alexander of Macedon: should they defeat me, then say, "Ye have merely defeated an ignorant man amongst us;" whilst if I defeat them then say, "The Law of Moses has defeated you."' So they gave him permission, and he went and pleaded against them. 'Whence do ye adduce your proof?' asked he, 'From the Torah,' they replied. 'Then I too,' said he, 'will bring you proof only from the Torah, for it is written, Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.21  Pay us for the toil of six hundred thousand men whom ye enslaved for four hundred thirty years.' Then King Alexander said to them, 'Answer him!' 'Give us three days' time,' they begged. So he gave them a respite; they sought but found no answer. Straightway they fled, leaving behind their sown fields and planted vineyards. And that year was a Sabbatical year.22 

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.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 03:40:47 PM »
Right after the Egyptians it discusses the Ishmaelites (Arabs) who came and made a claim and the answer they received.

On another occasion the Ishmaelites and the Ketureans23  came for a lawsuit against the Jews before Alexander of Macedon. They pleaded thus: 'Canaan belongs jointly to all of us, for it is written, Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son;24  and it is [further] written, And these are the generations of Isaac,' Abraham's son.'25  Thereupon Gebiha b. Pesisa said to the Sages: 'Give me permission to go and plead against them before Alexander of Macedon. Should they defeat me then say, "Ye have defeated one of our ignorant men;" whilst if I defeat them, say, "The Law of Moses has defeated you."' So they gave him permission, and he went and pleaded against them. 'Whence do ye adduce your proof?' asked he. 'From the Torah,' they replied. 'Then I too,' said he, 'will bring you proof only from the Torah, for it is written, And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac. But unto the sons of the concubines which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts:26  if a father made a bequest to his children in his lifetime and sent them away from each other, has one any claim upon the other? [Obviously not.]' 
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 04:05:07 PM »
This story comes up about this time every year to remind us of Pesach...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 04:07:21 PM »
What shuts them up is when they realize how much they OWE US for the 210 years of unpaid labor, with interest... They owe us 1000x more than what they gave us when we left... We should sue them for reparations for the years of servitude , along with suing for damages, and interest....

We should be looking at several Billions of dollars from those rich bastards in Egypt...
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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 07:57:15 PM »
I will explain why this story is so funny  :::D

Arabs living in Egypt today are not even Egyptian.
Arab invasion to the surrounding Mecca began in the 7th century AD, and during the existence of the Arab Caliphate, Arabs wiped out everything that existed in those countries.
In Israel they established the al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount, and ancient Egyptians are almost completely wiped out by the the Arabs.
The closest thing today to ancient Egyptians are the Coptic Christians in Egypt and they are decreasing due to persecution by the Arabs.

The Arabs in Egypt are "Egyptians" just like their brothers in "Palestine" are "Palestinians".

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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 11:01:55 PM »
Egyptian Muslim nazis should start paying reparations to camels for massive animal abuse. Who knows what these sand monkeys do to those poor animals.
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Re: Egyptian Muslim Nazis Call for Reparations - from Biblical Times
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 11:15:16 PM »
They deserve compensation alright, send rockets.
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 11:19:00 PM »
Of course none of you realize that this goat-fer is actually smart, and this to leftists reinforces victimization as the reason why that country is a dump, and this was promptly followed by "good"-"hearted" "loans" and aid.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 10:16:25 AM »
Arabians shall leave Egypt and then talk.
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2014, 11:36:38 AM »
All the Islamic States will eventually bow to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Ezekiel 39: 7 I will make my holy name among my people Israel.  I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I am the Lord am the Holy One in Israel.  It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord.  This is the day I have spoken of.  11 On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east toward the Sea.  It will block the travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there.  So it will be called the Valley of Hamen Gog.  For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land.   13.  All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I am glorified will be a memoral day for them, declares the Sovereign Lord.