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Offline Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2014, 10:26:49 PM »
Unfortunately most of America actually feels sorry for this beast.

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2014, 11:04:41 PM »
I don't think Torah says anything about burning (but I don't know for sure), it was just an example... But that is what our enemies did to us! But Torah does say an eye for an eye, etc...

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You are aware that 'an eye for an eye' is not a commandment related to retribution, but rather restitution (paying the value of an eye)...

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Commenting on one of the most well-known legal passages in the Torah, the rabbis overrule the seemingly clear intent of the text. The Torah states, in its discussion of the laws of personal injury: “…And you shall award a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot, a burn for a burn, a wound for a wound, a bruise for a bruise.”

The rabbis in the Talmud, however, maintain that the Torah never intended to mandate physical punishment in personal injury cases. Instead, they say, the text actually authorizes financial restitution. The oft-quoted phrase “an eye for an eye,” for example, means that the perpetrator must pay the monetary value commensurate with the victim’s injury.

All the other cases cited in these passages are to be understood similarly, in terms of financial compensation.


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The Torah provides us with one excellent illustration of this principle -- a case in which the overall value system as expressed by the Written Torah is actually at odds with the practical law of the Oral. We are all familiar with the verse "an eye for an eye" (Exodus 21:24 & Levit. 24:20). The Written Torah writes explicitly that if you knock out your fellow's eye, your eye will be taken as expiation. The Oral Law (Talmud Bava Kama 84a), however, makes it quite clear that this is not the intended punishment. Rather, the assaulter pays financial restitution. If so, why does the Written Torah state "an eye for an eye?"

The answer is that the Written Torah is conveying a message -- what G-d's values truly are in such a situation. When you damage your fellow, it is not just the financial loss. Paying him money will never truly make up his loss. The only true compensation is for you to suffer the same loss you inflicted on your fellow. That is the only justice which would "fix up" this world again, returning the world to its pristine state prior to your sin.
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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2014, 12:24:09 PM »
Let's see what Chaim says about this.

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2014, 01:14:30 PM »
Whatever happened to the firing squad?  It's cheap and proven effective

Truthfully for the vast majority of these cases I'm in favor of the guillotine. With a dull blade!

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2014, 01:24:18 PM »
Truthfully for the vast majority of these cases I'm in favor of the guillotine. With a dull blade!
I think they should be killed in the same way that they killed.

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2014, 01:31:50 PM »
Whatever happened to the firing squad?  It's cheap and proven effective

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2014, 02:01:52 PM »
You should see another beast who was scheduled to be executed on the same day and whose execution was postponed due to "botched" execution of Clayton Lockett.
This beast name is Charles Warner, he raped and killed 11 month old baby. His execution was delayed for 14 days so that he doesn't suffer as much as Lockett. How unjust is that?  >:(

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/04/30/why-were-the-two-inmates-in-oklahoma-on-death-row-in-the-first-place/

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2014, 02:04:05 PM »
After shooting the women and then friends burying her alive, I think his justice was decided from above.

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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2014, 12:17:20 AM »
Personally I would like to see the system start using the chair or gas chamber again... This injection garbage is just not cutting it... It's something that's intended for the loyal family pet who sadly is too sick to live on... It has no place in a prison death chamber... The image of old sparky or a nice gas chamber is really what capital punishment calls for... They were killing the murderer anyway who cares how long it took him to bite the dust.
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Re: Justice is actually served for once
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2014, 07:18:56 AM »
Forget humane.
Was he humane to his victim?  She was buried alive.
The criminal should have the same experience as the victim.

A central line insertion (so the vein won't fail).
Paralytics (no sedation necessary).  That might give that buried alive feeling.
Followed by a bolus of potassium.
Of course, all performed by the proper authorities.
The thought of that cocktail might be a deterrent to crime.
See, there is humanity if the punishment is so frightening it prevents crime.

Just sayin.
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