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Offline Dan Ben Noah

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Shalom
« on: June 30, 2014, 10:54:37 PM »
Shalom
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Jeremiah 16:19 O Lord, Who are my power and my strength and my refuge in the day of trouble, to You nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Only lies have our fathers handed down to us, emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail!

Zechariah 8:23 So said the Lord of Hosts: In those days, when ten men of all the languages of the nations shall take hold of the skirt of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."

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Re: Jews need to start caring more about truth
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2014, 06:54:23 AM »
Can you provide concrete example?
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Re: Jews need to start caring more about truth
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2014, 09:14:51 AM »
Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on July 01, 2014, 07:49:25 AM
Did you watch the video?

 congratulations.  ;)
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.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Jews need to start caring more about truth
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2014, 09:55:44 AM »
Oh I didn't see there was a video attached for some reason (maybe because I had javascript disabled). Watching it now.
Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on June 30, 2014, 10:54:37 PM
Unfortunately many truth-seeking Gentiles are turned off by Jews (including Orthodox Jews) who care more about tradition than doing things correctly.


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Re: Jews need to start caring more about truth
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2014, 05:45:13 PM »
Could someone post what he says. I do not have the time to watch this (and most know I really don't agree with this rabbi about very much)... It would be interesting to hear what he is complaining about.

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Jews need to start caring more about truth
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2014, 05:51:41 PM »
He tells about a man who undergoes conversion and the ashkenazi rabbis discover he uses Yemenite minhagim so they try to force him to give an oath that he would only follow ashkenazi minhagim. When he refuses they refuse to convert him. Rabbi bar Chaim then says this is more common then you think and also happens with sefaradi rabbis who refuse to convert unless the person swears he will follow only sefaradi minhag. 
Quote from: muman613 on July 01, 2014, 05:45:13 PM
Could someone post what he says. I do not have the time to watch this (and most know I really don't agree with this rabbi about very much)... It would be interesting to hear what he is complaining about.
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Re: Jews need to start caring more about truth
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2014, 08:06:22 PM »
I think I know who the Rav is talking about.
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.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Jews need to start caring more about truth
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2014, 10:33:25 PM »
Quote from: Zelhar on July 01, 2014, 05:51:41 PM
He tells about a man who undergoes conversion and the ashkenazi rabbis discover he uses Yemenite minhagim so they try to force him to give an oath that he would only follow ashkenazi minhagim. When he refuses they refuse to convert him. Rabbi bar Chaim then says this is more common then you think and also happens with sefaradi rabbis who refuse to convert unless the person swears he will follow only sefaradi minhag.

I believe that it happens, but I hope that it does not happen often. I have not heard of these things.

Minhagim are not Halacha, and should not be involved in questions of conversion. I support keeping your minhagim, but I also recognize that others have their own. In my shul we recognize all but most prefer Ashkenazic minhag.

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14
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