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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #100 on: August 19, 2014, 10:46:26 AM »
The question was raised
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about the 4 people that never sinned- if it says that they died because of the sin of Adam (because death was brought to the world as a result) why did they have to die when there were people who did not have to die and they did have sins? Such as Eliyahu HaNavi, Batya the daughter of Pharoh etc. Why did these 4 die when its possible not to die AND they didn't make any sins all of their life.
If you look at the people that did not die, they all directly brought great merit to the public.
It would seem sometimes bringing great merit to the public even if minor mistakes are made along the way is greater than someone who makes sure he has done no sins, but plays a less active role in bettering the public in a major way.
In addition we have a principle according to the pain (for doing a mitzva) is the  reward.
Maybe those that never died overcame more significant challenges to do their mitzvas, than the 4 that never sinned.
Another possibility. Hashem rewards measure for measure. Maybe the few people who merited never to die, did an act which G-d's ways of measure for measure demanded that they never die.
The 4 people that never sinned might have done good deeds, but not the type of deeds that demanded, a measure for measure reward of eternal life without death.

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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2014, 11:44:30 AM »
In the earlier part of the 1900's, many great American rabbis would turn on lights on Yom Tov but they wouldn't turn them off. They thought it was like lighting a candle from an existing flame. So they would turn lights on and by the end of Yom Tov the whole house would be light because they couldn't turn them off. Starting a new flame and turning on a light on Yom Tov is only an Isur DeRabbanan. Putting out a flame and turning off a light on Yom Tov is an Isur D'Oraita.

If you are talking about real rabbis, then if it's an issur derabanan they would NOT be doing it!   They musthave understood from the sources that this was NOT an issur derabanan.  You yourself say they cconsidered it like lighting from an existing flame - well, that's not prohibited.  Your overall comment is contradictory and might be misleading to people.   Perhaps you meant to say that subsequent rabbis of later generations decided it is not analogous to lighting from existing flame and therefore declared it as falling within the prohibitions of issur derabanan.

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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #102 on: August 19, 2014, 12:18:08 PM »
The conserved and deform say electricity is allowed.

Dana is not a real person, I know someone who knows who it is, but won't say because he thinks we will speak lashon hara (and he's definitely right), and it's supposed to be a man in New York that goes around making fun of Haredi and Chassidic Jews and trying to get them to leave it. He puts the picture so he can get Jews to ask why he isn't dressed modestly, and then attack them and try to humilate them in public, which is his specialty in manipulation (not that he's actually that good at it, but it works a lot, with people that don't really want to keep mitzvot in the first place).

Zevi Chaim, I'm pretty sure that it is a real person, and he was in one of the best yeshivot in the States, and now supports "Modern open Orthodox", who are reform, and spends his life attacking Torah.

Actually, deform says we don't have to follow halacha.  Conservative didn't start that way exactly but basically in the same camp today too.


The true halachic debate over electricity on shabbos was legitimate and involved the greatest scholars.  Shlomo zalman auerbach had a different understanding of electricity vis a vis halachic considerations but his view was "overruled" so to speak in that people generally sided with the other great scholars and all the frum people today hold of the view of electricity that says it's forbidden ( I think because closing the circuit is considered a type of building, or something like that).

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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #103 on: August 19, 2014, 01:08:02 PM »

No I am saying that maybe some things happen in this world because the physical world is broken and people have free will. I don't think Hashem hates the people in N. Korea so much that he wants them trapped in caves underground and has a spiteful vendetta against them because of who they were in past lives or the millions of other suffering people in this world. (I do believe in gilgul but don't believe it is necessary).

Instead we advocate for Tikkun Olam for example by feeding the poor, giving charity, or helping the sick. We don't say well they must be getting punished for something they did in a past life or this life, and that Hashem wants them to suffer and we shouldn't feel bad or not doing anything because that is what Hashem wants.Many mitzvot do have worldy implications for example the mishpatim.

I think Rabbi Mizrachi uses reincarnation in a way to explain justice in this world (everyone's paying measure for measure). I believe that Hashem will bring justice in the next world even if it does not get achieved in the physical world.

We know that Hashem wants the people in North Korea to go through what they're going through because it's happening. Like I said to Tag in his example about Adam, gilgulim is not a catch-all explanation why everything ever has happened. There could be plenty of sins in North Korea right now that make them require this punishment.

You have a problem though, because Rabbi Mizrachi brought the source that said there is divine justice in this world. Whether you use gilgulim or not, you need an explanation why everything happens is just, and saying there is no justice is heresy.
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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #104 on: August 19, 2014, 02:21:59 PM »
We know that Hashem wants the people in North Korea to go through what they're going through because it's happening. Like I said to Tag in his example about Adam, gilgulim is not a catch-all explanation why everything ever has happened. There could be plenty of sins in North Korea right now that make them require this punishment.

You have a problem though, because Rabbi Mizrachi brought the source that said there is divine justice in this world. Whether you use gilgulim or not, you need an explanation why everything happens is just, and saying there is no justice is heresy.

Adam committed the first sin and this caused the degradation of the world we are in today. Every nation and person on the earth suffers or enjoys from what their ancestors have done to prepare them for the future and the merits of their ancestors. This is just in itself. It is counter productive to think that people are paying for their past lives when they don't know their past lives and can't be repentant of them (which would be unjust). We know that one who prepares for the Sabbath will eat on the Sabbath. Not he who prepares for the Sabbath will not eat because of sins he committed in his past life.

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« Reply #105 on: August 19, 2014, 03:25:24 PM »

You have a problem though, because Rabbi Mizrachi brought the source that said there is divine justice in this world. Whether you use gilgulim or not, you need an explanation why everything happens is just, and saying there is no justice is heresy.


 To your last point- no one said that their is no Justice. Their certainly is Justice but its not always in THIS WORLD. Their is an ultimate heshbone and people pay for their sins and get rewarded for their good. That is the real ultimate Justice. Seeing someone suffer here in this world and then feeling sorry for them/ or not believing that that person must have been some big time sinner doesn't mean that one doesn't believe in the Ultimate Justice.

 FYI this just reminded me of the "justice system" of Sodom. Its like when a person got punched in the face, they said that because it happened it must have been that the person who got punched deserved it to happen. So they concluded that because he deserved it (I don't know, perhaps they also used the "gilgulim" argument, I don't know Im just speculating) then that person was the one who actually then pay the one who punched him.
 This also happens in Indian (or happened) society with the Caste system. Just because someone was born into a certain caste it means and meant that they deserved it because of their belief in reincarnation. 

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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

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5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #106 on: August 19, 2014, 03:27:54 PM »

 To your last point- no one said that their is no Justice. Their certainly is Justice but its not always in THIS WORLD. Their is an ultimate heshbone and people pay for their sins and get rewarded for their good. That is the real ultimate Justice. Seeing someone suffer here in this world and then feeling sorry for them/ or not believing that that person must have been some big time sinner doesn't mean that one doesn't believe in the Ultimate Justice.

The Rabbi's source indicated that there is justice both here and in the world to come.
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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #107 on: August 19, 2014, 03:30:59 PM »
We know that Hashem wants the people in North Korea to go through what they're going through because it's happening. Like I said to Tag in his example about Adam, gilgulim is not a catch-all explanation why everything ever has happened. There could be plenty of sins in North Korea right now that make them require this punishment.


 How do you know that? Maybe Hashem wants the people in North Korea to make Teshuva and to change their society instead?
 Also perhaps they are going through what they are because they as a society CHOOSE the path and society they are in. Meaning they went with a dictator who offered them good and enticing things (mainly protection) ultimately to be stuck with him. It was similar to Pharoah in Egypt and in fact similar to tyrants throughout history.
 They are reaping the fruits of the CONSEQUENCES of their actions as a society.


 + No one said that their is necessarily Divine PERSONAL intervention and judgment especially in this world. The nations are Judged as groups and societies, AND the Tzaddikim only merit Divine intervention or Hasgahat Pratit individually and only to the level that they personally achieve.
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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« Reply #108 on: August 19, 2014, 03:33:45 PM »
The Rabbi's source indicated that there is justice both here and in the world to come.

 which source?
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #109 on: August 21, 2014, 05:39:16 PM »
which source?

I don't know I'd have to go back and look.

Btw, he's becoming more and more exactly what I said. Wouldn't it be the greatest blessing if Rabbi Mizrachi became the religious head of JTF?

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/eliana-benador-rabbi-yosef-mizrachi-on-the-war-against-hamas/#
Despite having lost almost 70 young soldiers during this war and after 3,488 rocket attacks between July 8 and August 10, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu still insists in negotiating with the Hamas terrorists.

Meanwhile, a fiery Israeli-born Rabbi from Monsey, New York, is becoming the lightning rod trying to do “kiruv,” salvaging Jewish souls from the grip of unorthodox Jewish currents and a ramping liberalism.

He addresses thousands each week, getting rave reviews. His audiences encompass men and women of different ages, economic background and cultural origins.

Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi is having increasing success in social media and an impressive hit count on his English, Spanish and Russian websites.

During a recent visit to New York, Mizrachi was kind enough to accept my invitation for an interview about the situation in Israel. Here is what he had to say:

So Many Jews are Democrats. How Does Judaism Identify with Democracy?

“Democracy is the antithesis of Judaism. It is one of the most corrupt political systems in the history of mankind and the exact opposite to what G-d prescribes and says in the Torah. For instance, the Torah says the leader has to be a perfect person, not a handsome movie star, or a multibillionaire. One of the greatest Jews, Moses, raised and groomed as the adopted Pharaoh’s grandson, was a shepherd who stuttered, and was not rich. On contemporary Israeli TV he would never have been able to make it and certainly he would not have become the most legendary leader in history.

“The Torah does not say that the majority should rule the minority just because they are the majority. On the contrary, it states that the minority must rule the majority for the simple reason that if you take 500 people, a maximum of 50 will be wise, clever, smart, or genius. The rest will be average or below average.

“Therefore, by the rules of Democracy, the ignorant would dictate the experts how to run the military, the economy, politics, and the justice system. In other words, the ignorant who are the majority and maybe are unable to read or write their name, would be in a position to decide for the people who have education, experience, and true leadership skills. That doesn’t make sense.

“In the vast majority of countries, the masses are not educated. For instance, if the Arabs were run by their ignorant majority, instead of the educated minority, we would be in an even more dire situation.

“Anyone with a clear mind can see that Democracy is a self-defeating, suicidal, and corrosive system of governance.”

And, About the Current Situation in Israel?

“Abu Mazen and his people, regardless of their opinion about Israel, concluded that they have to reach some kind of political agreement to end this conflict.

“Hamas, their supporters, and the people who voted for them have decided to fight this war against Israel. They do not want a solution because their leitmotif is to annihilate all Jews and Israel.

“While it may have been possible to make peace with Mazen and his partisans, Hamas’s intentions will never change and therefore any political solution will be doomed from the onset, making it impossible to conquer some peace at least for the next 10 to 20 years.

“That is why the problem must be solved in a war, because we must fight for our survival. There is no other solution.”

Your Opinion on Negotiating With Hamas?

“It is impossible trying to do civilized politics with Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

“The conflict is based on their religion, which orders them to annihilate Jews and destroy Israel. Killing Jews is urgent for them because Israel is right in their midst.

“They are also holding slaughtering orgies of Christians, and as history repeats, the world is emphatically demonstrating their deafening silence.

“Muslims who do not obey the strict rules of sharia, or are from a different denomination, are also victims of serial butchering massacres at the hands of their savages.

“The barbarians do not care about life and they are proud to die, they don’t mind if tens of thousands of their people die. In average, they give birth to so many children that they show total indifference to how they live, who dies and how many die.

“The Koran tells them to destroy all Jews and that’s their agenda. How can you make any agreement with people who have this kind of agenda?

“There is, obviously, no other solution than be strong and disregard the complaints of the world, their politics, and their hypocrisy.

“No matter who would have to deal with this kind of threat – the United States, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, Russia, or any other country – it is sure that their response to it would be much more crushing than Israel’s.

“Remember what King Hussein did in Jordan during Black September in 1970, when the Palestinians tried to demonstrate against him? He killed them all in one single day and nobody heard a single complaint.

“In principle, in order to to minimize risks, an attack should be done from the air. A massive military action should solve the problem. In the Middle East, all else is a waste of time.

“If someone is coming to kill you, you must kill that person first.

“In a situation like the current one in Israel, where the government sends troops to face such a deadly enemy, the Torah explains that one is not allowed to risk Israeli soldiers to save the enemies who are seeking to destroy us.

“The Israeli military target the Hamas terrorists and if these decide to use their own women and children as shield to protect themselves, ethically speaking, they are solely and directly responsible for the death of their human shields. Not Israel.”

As part of the ethics of self-defense as appears in the Torah, Mizrachi explains further:

“Should a thief enter your home to steal and should he aim at you, at first, you should try not to kill him. Nonetheless, if you realize that he still could kill you, you must aim to neutralize him in an act of self-defense. However, once the thief is on the way out with the bounty, one cannot shoot him on the back, given that there is no longer a life-threatening risk.

“This is a rule of absolute self-defense, naturally also applicable in the case that a Jew wants to kill another Jew.

“When it comes to a Hamas terrorist, after unsuccessfully trying to kill you, and he is on his way out of the tunnel, at any rate, one has to shoot him because one knows he will return to finish the job and he will continue attacking others.

“Their agenda is to destroy the Jews and to destroy Israel. So there is only one solution.”

Is There Any Way to Make the Israeli Government do What Needs to be Done?

“Since it is a Democracy, there is not much to do until next elections. If people made the wrong choice, they are going to suffer the consequences.

“Given that Netanyahu is morally challenged, he always gives in to pressure from the left and from President Barack Obama. A phone call would suffice and he would immediately forget the sacrifice of almost 70 soldiers who were murdered by Hamas.

“Obama, Germany, France or the rest of the world are Netanyahu’s concern. If he would care about the Jewish people, the job would have already been done, but he is still ‘negotiating.’

“In a different country, the army would take over and place the prime minister under house arrest for ‘being a risk to the people,’ so the army would continue the job with or without him.

“The only thing that can be done is if half a million people put tremendous pressure on him and rally from morning to night, and tell Netanyahu ‘Finish the job. If not, your political life is finished,’ until he gets it.

“Netanyahu is no Itzhak Shamir [the former prime minister], who would have already finished the job, regardless of what the world says or thinks.

“If Shamir was the prime minister, Hamas would be history now. The problem is the poll-addicted politically correct leaders.”

Mizrachi illustrates with great clarity the ethical path that Israel should follow in the war against Hamas according to the over-three-millennia-old Judaism. The Torah and its uplifting teachings stand tall when compared to the Koran. This one, on the contrary, sends their followers to annihilate the dhimmis or non-Muslims, Jews and Christians alike, including Muslims who choose not to follow Sharia to the letter. Therein lies the insurmountable and abysmal differences between Judaism and Islam, civilization versus barbarism.

Eliana Benador: strategist consultant, adviser, opinion writer, and speaker, was founder of Benador Associates and is head of Benador International, based in Geneva, Switzerland. Her website is www.elianabenador.com. You may follow her on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook.
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Re: Rabbi Mizrachi's Interview With Arutz Sheva
« Reply #110 on: August 25, 2014, 01:00:27 AM »
I don't know I'd have to go back and look.

Btw, he's becoming more and more exactly what I said. Wouldn't it be the greatest blessing if Rabbi Mizrachi became the religious head of JTF?

Chaim ben Pesach is religious.  You meant rabbinical?

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« Reply #111 on: August 25, 2014, 04:20:05 AM »
Chaim ben Pesach is religious.  You meant rabbinical?

I'm assuming you're religious too. I usually give stupid questions to stupid answers, but you insulted me once, so I'm not going to ever waste my time to try to make you laugh.
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« Reply #112 on: September 18, 2014, 05:13:22 AM »
Welcome Rachel-613...

I hope you will find JTF to your liking. There are many great talks by Rabbi Kahane on Youtube (which I suppose you may have already searched)...

I just posted this, but not sure if it went through......I was actually talking about his criticism of Tanya (but I still love his lectures!!)

Welcome Rachel-613...

I hope you will find JTF to your liking. There are many great talks by Rabbi Kahane on Youtube (which I suppose you may have already searched)...


B"H

Thank you!!
Plus, for the record, (or to set it straight!), I most definitely believe in reincarnation. I love Rabbi Mizrachi's lectures (as well as Rabbi Kahane's, and whatever else Torah-based lectures I can get my 'ears' on!) also, listen to them for around 8 hrs a day. I just have a problem with his "problem" with Chassidic Jews who study Tanya - it's the only path I've known since becoming BT - heck, there isn't much else on the internet in China except Chabad!! (not my fault we need more kiruv!).

Please, may everyone be kind to us BT's on here - we ask dumb questions sometimes. We're all searching for answers during these dark days, and the vehemently anti-semitic press isn't helping, especially JPost and its "talkback" where trolls have free rein to defame everything about Judaism, as well as make death threats against Jews constantly.

Toda Rabah, from a baby BT.

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« Reply #113 on: September 18, 2014, 11:00:25 AM »
   Rachel- don't sweat it (American expression) many of us here are Bal Teshuva's (or at least in the direction of becoming more and more).

   I assume you can get books in China as well since you are able to view lectures and such. Anyway how do you know English in China? They teach it in schools over there? I see some Chinese (non-Jewish) immigrants and they can't hardly speak a few words in English.
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #114 on: September 18, 2014, 06:41:46 PM »
According to the article below the shavei organization has produced passover hagadot in Chinese.
They might be a source for additional Chinese translations of Torah related topics for Rachel-613

http://www.shavei.org/category/communities/kaifeng_jews/articles-kaifeng_jews/?lang=en
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First ever community Seder to be held in Kaifeng

Brian Blum
8/04/2014
Shavei Chairman Michael Freund with Aviona Hakarmi-Weinberg and Chinese Jews
Shavei Chairman Michael Freund with Nany Goldstein and Chinese Jews

The Jewish community in Kaifeng will be holding its first-ever community Seder this Passover. Nearly 100 members of this ancient Chinese Jewish community are expected to attend the Seder, which is being sponsored by Shavei Israel and will be conducted by 28-year-old Tzuri (Heng) Shi, one of the 7 young Chinese Jewish men whom Shavei Israel helped make aliyah and return to Judaism over the past several years. (See our past coverage here.)

Tzuri arrived in Kaifeng two weeks ago along with Shavei Israel Chairman Michael Freund; Shavei’s Educational Director Rabbi Eliyahu Birnbaum; and Rabbi Hanoch Avitzedek, Shavei Israel’s director for the Kaifeng Jewish community,. They were joined by Eran Barzilay, our Israel-based coordinator for outreach to Kaifeng, and Nany Goldstein, who is serving as Shavei Israel’s emissary in Kaifeng (we’ll have a profile of Nany in an upcoming issue of the Roots newsletter).

Perhaps of equal importance to the distinguished visitors was what was in Tzuri’s luggage: a wide range of items he’ll need to conduct the Seder, including kosher matzah from Israel; Kosher for Passover wine and cakes; traditional red horseradish and charoset (the sweet, dark-colored paste made of fruits and nuts eaten at the Seder to remember the “mortar” used by the Israelite slaves in their forced work); and enough copies of the Passover Haggadot (the traditional book that explains the order of the Seder) prepared by Shavei Israel in both Hebrew and Chinese, for use by the community.

Putting together the Kaifeng Seder and procuring (and shipping) all the required items has taken significant time and expense. Your generous contribution will ensure that this is just the beginning for the steadfast Jewish community along the Yellow River. If you’d like to help sponsor Kaifeng’s first ever community Seder, please visit our Support page and make a note that your donation is for the “Chinese Seder.”

“We are very proud and excited to organize this historic event,” said Shavei Israel Chairman Freund. “Kaifeng’s Jewish descendants are a link between China and the Jewish people, and it is very moving to see the remnants of this community returning to their Jewish roots as they prepare for Passover.”

We have pictures of Shavei Israel’s recent visit to China below.