This same post appears at the end of the now locked thread on experiments on Muslim terrorists.
I asked Chaim to help me with this response. And so part of this response is from me and part of it is from Chaim's e-mail to me.
Here are my comments:
Now at the very time that Chaim is applying to go back to Israel, we have to have this stupid dispute? This is the moment of truth to determine if we will be able to build a mass movement to save America, Israel and Western civilization. All of this can happen only if we succeed in getting Chaim into Israel so that he can form a political party there. At this critical time, we are having this ridiculous argument?
Threads like this should not be opened on this forum because they can harm JTF. The next time someone starts a thread like this, it should be locked and eliminated immediately.
But having said that, to have any mercy whatsoever on Muslim Nazi terrorists for any reason is completely immoral.
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Now here is what Chaim wrote to me in his e-mail:
"He who is merciful to the cruel is destined to be cruel to the merciful" (Midrash Rabbah on Kohelet in the Talmud).
We see how this Talmudic wisdom is proven true over and over again. The same leftists who are merciful to Arab Muslim Nazis in Israel are cruel beyond words to the Muslims' Jewish victims. Those who have pity on Muslim Nazi terrorists ALWAYS wind up being cruel to the millions of Christians, Jews, Hindus and others who have been murdered by the Muslims over the years.
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And now I, Jimmy Sullivan, have to interject:
We even see this on this very forum. Chaim Ben Pesach saved over a million Soviet Jews in the 1980s, and if given a chance, might G-d willing be able to save millions of Israeli Jews and American Gentiles from a Muslim holocaust. But instead of having pity on Chaim, and on the millions of Jews and Gentiles that he wants to save from annihilation, there are one or two posters here who said that they are willing to leave the movement because of their concern over a thread about experimenting on Muslim Nazi terrorists or torturing Muslim Nazi terrorists or whatever. If anyone does actually leave because of this, then they are putting their concern about Muslim Nazi terrorists above their concern for millions of truly innocent people. "He who is merciful to the cruel is destined to be cruel to the merciful".
The comparisons here with what the Nazis did shows what a pitiful generation we live in. Torturing Muslim Nazi terrorists is the same as torturing Jewish women and children? What a grotesque comparison!
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And now back to what Chaim wrote to me in his e-mail:
As far as what happened in ancient Egypt, permit me to correct the record.
There is just one line in the vast Talmud that says that the angels wanted to sing a song of praise to G-d and He told them, "I am destroying My creation and you want to sing a song of praise?"
The "politically correct" Jews claim that G-d was telling the angels not to celebrate the drowning of the Egyptian army in the Red Sea. These Jews have seized upon this single line to completely distort Torah Judaism.
BUT SOME RABBIS HAVE SAID THAT THIS QUOTE DOES NOT EVEN REFER TO THE DROWNING OF THE EGYPTIANS IN THE RED SEA. And this one line is hotly disputed and goes against the vast collection of Torah sources that PRAISE G-d's destruction of the Egyptian army. Furthermore, even if this was referring to the Red Sea drowning of the Egyptian army (which is doubtful), the quote was directed toward angels, not human beings. For human beings, there is no doubt that we are required to CELEBRATE the death of evil and cruel people.
For example, Moses' sister Miriam and all the women of Israel sang a song of praise to G-d in the Torah for His drowning of the Egyptian army. Miriam and all the daughters of Israel danced, sang and celebrated the mass drowning of the Egyptians (Exodus 15:20-21). And the Rabbis placed this famous song of praise to G-d for drowning the Egyptians in the daily prayers of the Jewish people, where it remains to this day.
On the Passover holiday, the Jews are commanded to celebrate and joyfully praise G-d for the Ten Plagues against Egypt. In the Ten Plagues, G-d TORTURED the Egyptians with boils and other severe hardships until the Tenth Plague where G-d killed all of Egypt's first born. In the Bible, Moses and the prophets repeatedly offer joyous praise to G-d for doing this, and on Passover, the Jews are commanded to joyfully celebrate this.
On Purim (the Book of Esther in the Bible), the Jews were commanded by G-d to kill over 70,000 Nazi supporters of Haman who had merely threatened to destroy the Jewish people. The Jews killed all of them and joyously celebrate the event to this day. Jews are commanded to sing, dance, drink, eat and party to celebrate the violent death of their enemies.
But the same Jews who joyously celebrate the death and torture of their wicked enemies, must mourn if even one righteous person is harmed, G-d forbid.
Why? Because Jews must be kind to the kind, and cruel to the cruel. If we do not follow this rule, then we will be kind to the cruel, and cruel to the kind, G-d forbid.
In practical terms, what does this mean?
Those evil beasts who want to murder us deserve to get what they want to do to us. The Muslim Nazi terrorists who torture their hostages deserve to be tortured themselves.
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That's the end of Chaim's e-mail. Now my conclusion:
Having said this, this thread is ridiculous because the people of America and Israel do not have the stomach to do this to the Muslim terrorists, and so there will not be experiments on them EVEN THOUGH THEY DESERVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY WOULD DO TO US. But in practical terms, the thread is silly and will never be implemented. Just look at the reaction even from people on our forum.
Cosmo is a very good Jew who did not realize that this thread would cause so much contention. And the other people here are also good people. But we must NEVER allow ourselves to be diverted from the cause of saving America, Israel and Western civilization. Especially over something so utterly irrelevant like this.