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Offline Rubystars

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Scientists being evil
« on: January 10, 2016, 11:57:48 PM »
God commands life to reproduce after its own kind. What these scientists are doing is abomination:

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/545106/human-animal-chimeras-are-gestating-on-us-research-farms/
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2016, 10:36:15 AM »
Human brain inside a pig? Looks like they did that over a thousand years ago.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2016, 11:09:31 AM »
Growing organs is a very good endeavor, but I think the risk of these chimeras is chimera diseases.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2016, 11:59:46 AM »
Quote from: Israel Chai on January 11, 2016, 11:09:31 AM
Growing organs is a very good endeavor, but I think the risk of these chimeras is chimera diseases.

It's morally wrong to create any kind of chimeras with human genes in them. These are abominations that should not exist no matter what the stated purpose is.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2016, 03:47:11 PM »
Pig organs could come in handy, but only if everyone knew I had them .
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Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2016, 07:54:05 PM »
Quote from: Rubystars on January 11, 2016, 11:59:46 AM
It's morally wrong to create any kind of chimeras with human genes in them. These are abominations that should not exist no matter what the stated purpose is.

That's not in the Bible I study.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2016, 08:20:09 PM »
Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 11, 2016, 07:54:05 PM
That's not in the Bible I study.
What are you talking about? It's totally forbidden!

Leviticus 19:19
 Deuteronomy 22:9–11
Mishnah Kilayim 8:1

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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 08:39:17 PM »
what about 3D printed parts when possible?
What about lab grown parts when possible?
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 09:04:43 PM »
Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on January 11, 2016, 08:39:17 PM
what about 3D printed parts when possible?
What about lab grown parts when possible?
I  don't think there would be problem with the mixture of elements beings the Tabernacle was made of differing elements, beside the ones prohibited, like wool and linen.

Why not if you are not mixing species of differing origins..
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 09:06:19 PM »
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 03:10:40 AM »
Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on January 11, 2016, 08:39:17 PM
what about 3D printed parts when possible?
What about lab grown parts when possible?

I think 3d printed parts would be great as long as they didn't use aborted fetal cells for the material
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 03:12:19 AM »
Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 11, 2016, 07:54:05 PM
That's not in the Bible I study.

Read it again. Try finding the part where God commands creatures to reproduce after their own kind. Not for a fish to have offspring that's half fish half corn, or for a pig to have an offspring with human body parts, etc.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 03:13:19 AM »
Quote from: Ephraim Ben Noach on January 11, 2016, 08:20:09 PM
What are you talking about? It's totally forbidden!

Leviticus 19:19
 Deuteronomy 22:9–11
Mishnah Kilayim 8:1

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Thank you Ephraim.
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Offline Israel Chai

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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 07:13:43 AM »
It's forbidden to lay with them, but I don't know of conclusive evidence you can't mix them. It feels wrong, but you're all eating goat-spider wheat in your toast.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 07:49:22 AM »
Quote from: Rubystars on January 12, 2016, 03:12:19 AM
Read it again. Try finding the part where God commands creatures to reproduce after their own kind. Not for a fish to have offspring that's half fish half corn, or for a pig to have an offspring with human body parts, etc.

God gives commandments to human beings throughout the Torah, and that is where Jewish Law is derived from.   Point me to where God said do not alter genetics of animals.

I don't believe there is any halacha restricting genetic manipulations of animals.  Anyone have any different source to contradict me?     Taking a random verse and interpreting it as one sees fit (especially when it can be interpreted in many different ways) does not suffice to define ethics, let alone "pure evil," in any objective sense.
You have made some very bold and overreaching claims here that reflect personal bias.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2016, 09:30:53 AM »
3D printed parts use your own extracted cells.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2016, 11:35:42 AM »
Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on January 12, 2016, 09:30:53 AM
3D printed parts use your own extracted cells.

That's awesome. I like that idea a lot. I've also heard of something called a ghost organ where it's an organ transplant but with everything but the connective tissue removed and the person's own cells used to replace the muscle tissue, etc.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2016, 11:38:10 AM »
Quote from: Israel Chai on January 12, 2016, 07:13:43 AM
It's forbidden to lay with them, but I don't know of conclusive evidence you can't mix them. It feels wrong, but you're all eating goat-spider wheat in your toast.

I also consider GMOs to be wrong for the same reason.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2016, 11:40:11 AM »
Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 12, 2016, 07:49:22 AM
God gives commandments to human beings throughout the Torah, and that is where Jewish Law is derived from.   Point me to where God said do not alter genetics of animals.

I don't believe there is any halacha restricting genetic manipulations of animals.  Anyone have any different source to contradict me?     Taking a random verse and interpreting it as one sees fit (especially when it can be interpreted in many different ways) does not suffice to define ethics, let alone "pure evil," in any objective sense.
You have made some very bold and overreaching claims here that reflect personal bias.

I believe that deliberately creating hybrids that can't occur in nature is wrong based on what I have been taught about these verses. Especially if it involves mixing humans with animals.
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Re: Scientists being evil
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2016, 12:28:41 AM »
These chimeras are only going to support the global muslamic terrorism.
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