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Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« on: September 07, 2007, 05:28:11 AM »
http://centrerion.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-some-muslims-hate-western.html
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Why Some Muslims HATE Western Civilization: Explaining Islamic Terrorism Via Case Study


The Martyr's Oath, a book by Stewart Bell, explains why some Muslims hate, loathe, detest, despise and generally are fanatically against Western Civilization. Bell is a terrorism and national security expert who writes for The National Post newspaper, and in his most recent book (he also published Cold Terror, about how Canada is a base for terrorists (non-affiliate link to Amazon)), Bell recounts the true story of Mohammed Mansour Jabarah, a Canadian-Koweiti who became a high-ranking member of al-Qaeda.

The interest in Bell's book is threefold. First, it exposes how an otherwise normal youth is recruited into the ranks of a terrorist organization. Second, it shows what actually is the cause of some Muslims' hatred of the West. Finally, the writing is excellent, the research is thorough, which all makes the book a compelling read. Furthermore, while Bell narrates the story of Mohammed Mansour Jabarah's indoctrination and recruitment, he simultaneously gives the story context with discussion of Canadian national security.

Mohammed Mansour Jabarah emigrated with his family to Canada after the Iraq-Koweit war. Living in the suburb of St-Catharines Ontario, he grew up living a generally normal, Canadian life. Bell notes that his father was religious and possibly a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, an extremist group of which the terrorists of Hamas are a branch.

Each year, Mohammed and a brother of his were given a trip back to Koweit, where they spent the summer. His childhood friend, Anas-al-Kandari, who had remained in Koweit after the Jabarahs had moved, was becoming increasingly religious, and the two fell increasingly under the nefarious influence of extremist preacher Suleyman Abu Gaith.

Abu Gaith kept repeating his message that the West was oppressing Arabs and Muslims. He showed Mohammed and Anas videos of jihadis and other materials to this effect. (Now's a good moment for you to drop by my post on Al-Jazeera and why bloggers should remove their links to it.) As with any other propaganda, with repetition comes belief, and so the followers of Abu Gaith came to share his views on the supposed "vile oppression" of Muslims by the West.

I won't go any further into the story, because The Martyr's Oath is really a book that needs to be read by every Canadian who takes national security seriously. Besides, as I wrote above, it's a very enjoyable read that is absorbing and really quite difficult to put down, not to mentiont that you'll be amazed by some of the research Bell has done, which includes interviews with actual al-Qaeda members. You can buy The Martyr's Oath (non-affiliate) or get it from your local library.

Getting back to why some Muslims loathe us, forget what Bush and Harper say about 'they hate us for our values'. That's secondary (though Iranian President Ahmadinejad recently spoke out against liberal values, which include free speech). The revelation of The Martyr's Oath is that some Muslims - Muslim youths are particularly targeted - are brainwashed through repetitive propaganda to believe that the West is leading a Crusade against them. Ludicrous as the anti-Muslim conspiracy theories might sound, the brainwashed accept these theories as perfectly logical.

I'd like to digress, again, to just note something for my fellow members of Western civilization. As Westerners, it is important for us to remember that we must not give credibility to the ridiculous assertions, as some of us do, that the West is really responsible for the terrorism perpetrated against it. Our justice system is founded upon the truth that people are responsible for their own actions. Terrorists are responsible for terrorism.

Ben-Laden and his ilk want to establish Islam as the world's only religion (Dar-al-Islam), and they see jihad as the way to achieve this. They claim that the West is attacking Muslims in order to entice otherwise rational people into joining terrorist groups, because such an argument is more compelling than telling people that you are out to establish world Islamic hegemony.

From believing that Western civilization is out to oppress Muslims, it's only a small logical step to hating the West. From there, it is again a small logical to step to conclude that there is a need to defend Muslims, and at that point we can explain how Muslims can come to terrorism.
(I'm going to digress again for a moment to send you over to my post on Father Richard Neuhaus. He says America's Catholics are under attack, and draws conclusions unsurprisingly similar [to al-Qaeda's conclusions for Muslims] as to what Catholics should do.)

I'm boiling down what Bell has written, though. There's more detail in the book as to the mechanics of al-Qaeda and other extremists' brainwashing of potential recruits in the recruitment process, as well as on the functioning of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups, such as the Jemaah Islamiyah.

The Martyr's Oath by Stewart Bell is an excellent read that will help anyone understand why some Muslims hate the West, and how this leads them to commit terrorist acts.

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As Westerners, it is important for us to remember that we must not give credibility to the ridiculous assertions, as some of us do, that the West is really responsible for the terrorism perpetrated against it.
Quoted for emphasis.  I'm sick of these liberals and neo-nazis who think this way.

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2007, 05:34:23 AM »
How ironic and what a brilliant tactic the jihadists use.

Show muslims in a pickle of their own making, then blame the west to recruit terrorists to put muslims in a worse mess........then repeat the process! It's entirely self-purpetuating.

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2007, 09:12:22 AM »
The idea of "blaming the victim" is a tatics that rapist use.  Figuratively, the west is being raped by liberals and muslims.

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2007, 05:16:16 PM »
muslims HATE EVERY SINGLE CIVILIZATION of this planet.

They slaughter from one "end" of the world to the other.

From South-East Asia to America,
via Israel and Serbia.

WHY ?

Because this world is STILL not ENTIRELY islamic.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 04:56:22 PM by Husar »
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2007, 01:11:38 AM »
muslims HATE EVERY SINGLE CIVILIZATION of this planet.

They slaughter from one "end" of the world to the other.

From South-East Asia to America,
via Israel and Serbia.

WHY ?

Because this world is STILL not ENTIRELY islamic.


Exactly they want to conquer and convert the world for Allah. They believe in Jihad.

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 01:44:19 AM »
Islam and its adherents will attack anything good and pure. It may sound like i am over simplify the situation, but it is in reality a very much a good and evil power struggle. Islam represents evil and western civilization and its good religious traditions like Judaism and Christianity are bound to reject evil. Think i am crazy? It is all i can deduce from the evening news

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 02:11:45 AM »
muslims HATE EVERY SINGLE CIVILIZATION of this planet.

They slaughter from one "end" of the world to the other.

From South-East Asia to America,
via Israel and Serbia.

WHY ?

Because this world is STILL not ENTIRELY islamic.

Exactly .
I hope when we are old we will live in a better world than now.
Let's continue our battle until this world is ENTIRELY de-islamified.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 07:20:32 AM »
muslims HATE EVERY SINGLE CIVILIZATION of this planet.

They slaughter from one "end" of the world to the other.

From South-East Asia to America,
via Israel and Serbia.

WHY ?

Because this world is STILL not ENTIRELY islamic.

Exactly .
I hope when we are old we will live in a better world than now.
Let's continue our battle until this world is ENTIRELY de-islamified.

We can never give up fighting! O0

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 11:29:16 PM »
Talking is all well and good, but what can we DO?

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 01:56:23 AM »
Talking is all well and good, but what can we DO?
How about this:
educate people as much as possible, destroy the idea of political correctness, watch South Park. Political correctness is a very powerfull weapon for those ragheads because now they are using it against all of those who don't agree with them. The moment that you say anything negative about Muslims, you are immediately are an Islamophobe, a racist, but yet they deserve some special right to call non-muslims infidels who should either be forced to convert to Muslims (aka satan followers) or be beheaded. F..k political correctness.



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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 02:00:01 AM »
Let that be the mantra - F*CK Political Correctness- It is cowardism and traitorous.

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Re: Why Muslims HATE Western Civilization
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 02:40:56 AM »
Political correctness is nothing but facsist, Orwellian, nazi 'newspeak'. It's purpose is to hijack the language for political ends.

Try this:

Think of something (anything) and try not to think of any words................. can't do it, right? Whoever controls words controls thought.