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Great Jewish Fighter
« on: July 23, 2016, 10:31:39 PM »
This guy is a  fighting machine. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC7Aq83OmuY

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 10:39:26 PM »
He has knock out power in both hands.  Very rare.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2016, 11:17:55 AM »
Jews are not gifted athletes, I don't advise any Jewish to try an athletic carrier. There is plenty of opportunity in the managarial side of the sport business.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2016, 11:40:32 AM »
Jews are not gifted athletes, I don't advise any Jewish to try an athletic carrier. There is plenty of opportunity in the managarial side of the sport business.
No offense, but I don't think he asked for your advice.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2016, 12:46:45 PM »
Jews are not gifted athletes, I don't advise any Jewish to try an athletic carrier. There is plenty of opportunity in the managarial side of the sport business.

This is a stupid stereotype.  I am a great athlete and had Jewish friends who were also.   Part of it depends on how a kid is raised.  Athleticism is not purely nature, and so your stereotype only applies to those who are raised without learning sports - they would be at significant handicap in trying to become an athlete later on.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2016, 02:32:48 PM »
I don't know what do you mean by great athlete. To really succeed in professional sport one needs trully rare genes. I wouldn't advise anyone to aim for that sort of carreer unless they were identified from young age as elite level athletes. I am not talking now only about Jews. The rest of us can enjoy sport at amature level,  it is fun and healthy
(except for boxing and the likes).

I don't think that what I say is a sterotype. The sterotype would be perhaps saying Jews are culturally averse to sport (which in the case of Charedim it is actually a fact). We don't have the gene pool of the Jamaicans nor the East African highlanders nor that of the Dalmatians etc.

When it comes to fighting sport like MMA and Boxing I especially don't want to see Jews get hurt for nothing. The odds of succeeding vs. ending up with  brain damage,  worn out joints, and steroidal side effects are such that a rational person should keep away from thiese sports.


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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2016, 03:47:29 AM »
 :usa+israel:                                                                                                      :fist:


 Whether or not sports came about from the Greek and Roman pagans, there are some
 formidable Israeli Jewish athletes. This guy "Hebrew Hammer" has an aggressive style,
 certainly impressive and surely rivals the Klitschko bros.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2016, 04:35:22 AM »
There are 0 Jewish Israeli athletes. If there is any olympic level athlete, it is more often then not some gentile that had his/her training in the CIS countries. Training level in Israel is very medicore.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 04:45:51 AM »
Have you ever wstched the Israeli track and field championships. Sometimes they invite some semi retired relatively know athletes in their 40s to attrackt audience. The Jews are still no match to middle aged former olympian with a beer belley.

The winner of the women's shotput is the one who doesn't drop the ball on her foot. 

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2016, 01:40:41 PM »
I don't know what do you mean by great athlete. To really succeed in professional sport one needs trully rare genes. I wouldn't advise anyone to aim for that sort of carreer unless they were identified from young age as elite level athletes. I am not talking now only about Jews. The rest of us can enjoy sport at amature level,  it is fun and healthy
(except for boxing and the likes).

I don't think that what I say is a sterotype. The sterotype would be perhaps saying Jews are culturally averse to sport (which in the case of Charedim it is actually a fact). We don't have the gene pool of the Jamaicans nor the East African highlanders nor that of the Dalmatians etc.

When it comes to fighting sport like MMA and Boxing I especially don't want to see Jews get hurt for nothing. The odds of succeeding vs. ending up with  brain damage,  worn out joints, and steroidal side effects are such that a rational person should keep away from thiese sports.

This could be an English language thing but based on your comment it sounds to me like you are conflating being an athlete with being a professional athlete or among the greatest pro athletes in the world.  In doing so you are slandering Jews as if they are all weak and uncoordinated which is totally false.  Athleticism is not limited to being a genetic freak or being among the 100 top players at a sport in the world.

Many Jews have great athleticism and there are tons of sports where heads don't get bashed in in the process.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 01:42:06 PM »
Have you ever wstched the Israeli track and field championships. Sometimes they invite some semi retired relatively know athletes in their 40s to attrackt audience. The Jews are still no match to middle aged former olympian with a beer belley.

The winner of the women's shotput is the one who doesn't drop the ball on her foot.

The greatest Olympians are doping or taking some kind of horse hormones anyway so who cares about that.  It does not mean Jews can't be athletic.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 03:41:45 PM »
I would call that being athletic or good athlete. When you say great athlete I supposed you didn't mean the elite profesional level but it that is how I would define 'great athlete'. Of course Jews can also be athletics.
This could be an English language thing but based on your comment it sounds to me like you are conflating being an athlete with being a professional athlete or among the greatest pro athletes in the world.  In doing so you are slandering Jews as if they are all weak and uncoordinated which is totally false.  Athleticism is not limited to being a genetic freak or being among the 100 top players at a sport in the world.

Many Jews have great athleticism and there are tons of sports where heads don't get bashed in in the process.

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 08:01:17 PM »
Speaking of Jewish athletes here a few that just came to my mind:

Irina Rodnina

Sarah Hughes

Sasha Cohen

Irina Slutskaya

These are all figure skaters who have competed in the Olympics.  Irina Rosina was first paired with Alexander Islamic and then after that with Alexander Zeitsev.   They come poo eyes in several Olympics and world championships.

Sarah Hughes won a gold metal several years ago.   And Sasha Cohen won a silver metal.

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2016, 08:10:53 PM »
Oh and I forgot figure skater Oksana Baiul who narrowly won the gold medal over Nancy Kerrigan (this being after Kerrigan had her kneecap bashed by a goon hired by rival Tonya Harding's husband is that time.)

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Re: Great Jewish Fighter
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2016, 03:49:40 AM »
Does Oxana Baijul know she is Jewish? I have never heard that. The other names I don't even recognize because I never followed this discipline.

Figure skating is officially an olymic sport however the way it is scored with human judges and the political deals involved make the scoring system inconsistent.

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2016, 11:51:20 PM »
Baiul does know that she's Jewish.  From what I've read, she's been exploring Judaism and is engaged to a Russian Jew.  Here are some links:

http://njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/2005/060905/mwbaiul.html

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine/oksana-baiul-ukrainian-star-still-shines-14-years--29510.html

Otherwise, I agree that the scoring system is inconsistent.  Over the years it's become more inconsistent.  For example, there was a controversy when American skater Evan Lysacek won the gold instead of Russian Evgeny Plushenko.  I think Plushenko should have won, as his skating was better, and because he did a quadruple lutz, which Lysacek didn't even attempt. 

Does Oxana Baijul know she is Jewish? I have never heard that. The other names I don't even recognize because I never followed this discipline.

Figure skating is officially an olymic sport however the way it is scored with human judges and the political deals involved make the scoring system inconsistent.