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Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« on: September 16, 2007, 12:06:38 AM »
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm

http://www.slate.com/id/2157314/?nav=ais

Earlier this year, newly elected Muslim congressman Keith Elison took his congressional oath on a Koran.
To maximize the photo-op and silence criticism, he asked the Library of Congress for the loan of Thomas Jefferson's copy.

Originally, I wondered to myself why Jefferson would own a copy of that book? While Elsion intended to use this to convince people of our Founding Father's "multiculturalism", I soon discovered why he had them in his library, to fight against the Barbary pirates who jeopardized US trade in the Mediterranean.  As our infantile nation was fighting against a dangerous enemy; the Barbary states of North Africa, mainly consisting of states like Libya, Algeria and Tunisia, their Muslim pirates where attacking American trade ships, abducting passengers, and confining them to slavery.

It is unfortunate that Jefferson's campaign against Muslim piracy is not recounted in school textbooks, but then again most kids can't even locate the USA on a map...thank you miss South Carolina!


What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

By Ted Sampley


Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.

Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.

The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library.

Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources.

There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.

Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.

Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves.

The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women and children could be collected.

Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow.

Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.

Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.

Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.

Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain.

The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.

Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, We fight our country's battles in the air, on land and sea."

It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.



Jefferson's Quran By Christopher Hitchens

It was quite witty of Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., to short-circuit the hostility of those who criticized him for taking his oath on the Quran and to ask the Library of Congress for the loan of Thomas Jefferson's copy of that holy book. But the irony of this, which certainly made his stupid Christian fundamentalist critics look even stupider, ought to be partly at his own expense as well.

In the first place, concern over Ellison's political and religious background has little to do with his formal adherence to Islam. In his student days and subsequently, he was a supporter of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, a racist and crackpot cult organization that is in schism with the Muslim faith and even with the Sunni orthodoxy now preached by the son of the NOI's popularizer Elijah Muhammad. Farrakhan's sect explicitly describes a large part of the human species—the so-called white part—as an invention of the devil and has issued tirades against the Jews that exceed what even the most fanatical Islamists have said. Farrakhan himself has boasted of the "punishment" meted out to Malcolm X by armed gangsters of the NOI (see the brilliant documentary Brother Minister: The Assassination of Malcolm X, which catches him in the act of doing this). If Ellison now wants to use his faith to justify an appeal to pluralism and inclusiveness and diversity, he needs to repudiate the Nation of Islam, and in much more unambivalent terms than any I have yet heard from him.

As to the invocation of Jefferson, we know that when he and James Madison first proposed the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom (the frame and basis of the later First Amendment to the Constitution) in 1779, the preamble began, "Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free." Patrick Henry and other devout Christians attempted to substitute the words "Jesus Christ" for "Almighty God" in this opening passage and were overwhelmingly voted down. This vote was interpreted by Jefferson to mean that Virginia's representatives wanted the law "to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahomedan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination." Quite right, too, and so far so good, even if the term Mahomedan would not be used today, and even if Jefferson's own private sympathies were with the last named in that list.

A few years later, in 1786, the new United States found that it was having to deal very directly with the tenets of the Muslim religion. The Barbary states of North Africa (or, if you prefer, the North African provinces of the Ottoman Empire, plus Morocco) were using the ports of today's Algeria, Libya, and Tunisia to wage a war of piracy and enslavement against all shipping that passed through the Strait of Gibraltar. Thousands of vessels were taken, and more than a million Europeans and Americans sold into slavery. The fledgling United States of America was in an especially difficult position, having forfeited the protection of the British Royal Navy. Under this pressure, Congress gave assent to the Treaty of Tripoli, negotiated by Jefferson's friend Joel Barlow, which stated roundly that "the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen." This has often been taken as a secular affirmation, which it probably was, but the difficulty for secularists is that it also attempted to buy off the Muslim pirates by the payment of tribute. That this might not be so easy was discovered by Jefferson and John Adams when they went to call on Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

Medieval as it is, this has a modern ring to it. Abdrahaman did not fail to add that a commission paid directly to Tripoli—and another paid to himself—would secure some temporary lenience. I believe on the evidence that it was at this moment that Jefferson decided to make war on the Muslim states of North Africa as soon as the opportunity presented itself. And, even if I am wrong, we can be sure that the dispatch of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps to the Barbary shore was the first and most important act of his presidency. It took several years of bombardment before the practice of kidnap and piracy and slavery was put down, but put down it was, Quranic justification or not.

Jefferson did not demand regime change of the Barbary states, only policy change. And as far as I can find, he avoided any comment on the religious dimension of the war. But then, he avoided public comment on faith whenever possible. It was not until long after his death that we became able to read most of his scornful writings on revelation and redemption (recently cited with great clarity by Brooke Allen in her book Moral Minority: Our Skeptical Founding Fathers). And it was not until long after his death that The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth was publishable. Sometimes known as "the Jefferson Bible" for short, this consists of the four gospels of the New Testament as redacted by our third president with (literally) a razor blade in his hand. With this blade, he excised every verse dealing with virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, and other puerile superstition, thus leaving him (and us) with a very much shorter book. In 1904 (those were the days), the Jefferson Bible was printed by order of Congress, and for many years was presented to all newly elected members of that body. Here's a tradition worth reviving: Why not ask all new members of Congress to swear on that?

And here's a tradition worth inaugurating: The Quran repeats and plagiarizes many passages of the New Testament, including some of the most fantastic and mythical ones. Is it not time to apply the razor and produce a reasonable Quran as well? What could be more inclusive? What could be a better application of Jeffersonian original intent?


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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 12:09:36 AM »


It is unfortunate that Jefferson's campaign against Muslim piracy is not recounted in school textbook, but then again most kids can't even locate the USA on a map...thank you miss South Carolina!

Look at the useless, sniveling liberals that constitute 90% of teachers. They're the problem.

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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 12:11:27 AM »
Jefferson was a genius.

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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 05:06:43 AM »
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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2007, 07:17:08 AM »
You see thats why i view StørmFrønt to understand the evil
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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2007, 08:48:02 AM »
I have two kids, one a senior and one a sophomore in HS, and until this day they have never been taught about this episode in our history. I am bad in math and technology, let's just say I am a few decades behind but I have to constantly teach my children the history that they are never taught, or worse, taught the exact opposite of the truth. They have never heard of American heros Eaton and O'Bannon and the whole Barbary war until I told them. Of course most idiots here buy the nonsense about America's first problem with radical islam being Iran in 1979 but when you explain the truth to most of them they have no idea what you are talking about, so sad. I was kind of amazed at how many people I had to explain to the reason for Jefferson owning a quran.
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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2007, 09:09:38 AM »
I agree Mord.  I think Jefferson, wanted to understand Islam due to his direct conflict with the Barbary Pirates but I could be wrong.  Didn't Jefferson back America's first International military action by building a navy and bombing the [censored] our Algiers?  Perhaps I'm wrong but I think Jefferson, like Marco Polo, understood that Islam is an expansionist evil murderous ideology...
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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2007, 09:13:11 AM »
I agree Mord.  I think Jefferson, wanted to understand Islam due to his direct conflict with the Barbary Pirates but I could be wrong.  Didn't Jefferson back America's first International military action by building a navy and bombing the excrement our Algiers?  Perhaps I'm wrong but I think Jefferson, like Marco Polo, understood that Islam is an expansionist evil murderous ideology...
Yes Jefferson was for attacking the barbary pirates he said it would be more cost effecient while Adams was against it
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2007, 12:40:30 PM »
Good text, I did not know this :)
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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2007, 07:14:57 PM »
Marzutra, you are right. This was also the very first time that an American flag was raised on foriegn soil.
Adams did pay tribute before Jefferson said, that's it, enough. His son Quincy Adams did not think to highly of these muzzies. I have to find it but there are some quotes from him that are not to pretty about the mohamadeans.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2007, 07:31:12 PM »
The real question is , why the hades do we have  A MUSLIM CONGRESSMAN !??!??!?!?!?! ??? :(
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2007, 07:48:00 PM »
We have ellison because the multi culti morons in minnisotastan were showing the rest of us how "advanced" they are by supporting someone who "may be a little different" from the mainstream..... :laugh:little do they know what they have really done.

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2007, 07:56:11 PM »
kellymaureen ,

I saw a video clip on Youtube of ellison surrounded by muslims screamin "allhu ackbar!" These "intellectuals" are going too get us killed.
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2007, 08:03:21 PM »
The real question is , why the hades do we have  A MUSLIM CONGRESSMAN !??!??!?!?!?! ??? :(

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2007, 08:41:54 PM »
Another typically great article posting from Gruzini.  :)

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Re: Why did Jefferson own a Koran?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2007, 03:55:26 AM »
The same reason I read it; to understand the Muslims straight from their teachings. This way Jefferson couldn't be fooled by mere words of Muslim people like our current president. Jefferson was one of the greatest presidents in history, and is justly recognized as such. Respect this man and learn from him. He helped found this country and we need to return to the ways of his ideals.