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LEADING CONSERVATIVES TRASH OBAMACARE REPLACEMENT AS RINOCARE, OBAMACARE-LITE, OBAMACARE 2.0

Dana Loesch says ‘we didn’t protest Obamacare for 8 years to get Obamacare 2.0 from congressional Republicans.’

Rep. Thomas Massie says the GOP Obamacare repeal ‘stinking pile of garbage’ written by the ‘insurance lobby,’ and it ‘will fail’.

Even Trump butt-kisser Ann Coulter shreds the House GOP on the Obamacare replacement bill.

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Re: Republican Obamacare plan signals that liberalism has already won
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 11:14:01 PM »
I do not know enough about Ovomitcare or what Trump intends to replace it with to comment on it,however why not replace it with something like Kupat Cholim like we have have here in Israel?

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Re: Republican Obamacare plan signals that liberalism has already won
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2017, 12:28:01 AM »
Kupat Cholim was originally a Bolshevik Histadrut thing. Kupat Cholim Klalit was their health system. The other parties also set up health systems. In Israel everything is political which is why the other health systems and even sports leagues are named after political parties. Kupat Cholim Klalit doesn't exist anymore. It's called Sherutei Briut Klalit but people still call it Kupat Cholim Klalit. You used to have to be a member of the Histadrut labor union to have Kupat Cholim Klalit insurance. But the Knesset passed a universal healthcare law in the 1990's that says anyone can get health insurance. To get health insurance, you have to pay money to the National Insurance Institute (which is similar to Social Security) but I think people who are unemployed or get NII monthly payments get free health insurance. When I lived in Israel, I was a student so I had to pay the student rate. Probably the more someone makes, the more they have to pay. You also can't register as unemployed if you are a student.

Kupat Cholim is very bureaucratic. If a medicine isn't listed under the Health Ministry list of medicines, it cost a lot of money. If it is covered, then you pay per pill, not per prescription like in the US where if you have insurance, you pay a set co-pay. It can also take months until you can get an appointment to a specialist in Israel.


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Re: Republican Obamacare plan signals that liberalism has already won
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2017, 03:50:42 AM »
Kupat Cholim was originally a Bolshevik Histadrut thing. Kupat Cholim Klalit was their health system. The other parties also set up health systems. In Israel everything is political which is why the other health systems and even sports leagues are named after political parties. Kupat Cholim Klalit doesn't exist anymore. It's called Sherutei Briut Klalit but people still call it Kupat Cholim Klalit. You used to have to be a member of the Histadrut labor union to have Kupat Cholim Klalit insurance. But the Knesset passed a universal healthcare law in the 1990's that says anyone can get health insurance. To get health insurance, you have to pay money to the National Insurance Institute (which is similar to Social Security) but I think people who are unemployed or get NII monthly payments get free health insurance. When I lived in Israel, I was a student so I had to pay the student rate. Probably the more someone makes, the more they have to pay. You also can't register as unemployed if you are a student.

Kupat Cholim is very bureaucratic. If a medicine isn't listed under the Health Ministry list of medicines, it cost a lot of money. If it is covered, then you pay per pill, not per prescription like in the US where if you have insurance, you pay a set co-pay. It can also take months until you can get an appointment to a specialist in Israel.
Clalit most certainly does still exist they are the one I use & a 5 minute walk from my house & everything from the signs to the cards says Clalit on it.
Medicines you pay only 15 % but specialists can at times take time but I have had no problem when I needed one.
 It seems better than what I hear of the current Ovomitcare from friends & relatives in the US
Finally after 10 years I got residency & kupat cholim.
So my healthcare is take care of finally.
It was worth the aggravation & hassle but at least I have what I need even if it amounts the Israeli version of a Green Card as I don't care about voting here as there is nobody here really to vote for that will actually make a difference!
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Re: Republican Obamacare plan signals that liberalism has already won
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2017, 06:19:43 PM »
I didn't say it doesn't exist. But it's not called Kupat Cholim now. It's called Sherutei Briut Klalit.


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Re: Republican Obamacare plan signals that liberalism has already won
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 07:42:14 PM »
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