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Shalom
« on: May 13, 2018, 01:45:22 PM »
Dear Friends,

I am a Noahide and a Torah scholar. One of my closest friends is a member of this forum. He mentioned Chaim Ben Pesach, so I decided to join :)

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Re: Shalom
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 12:28:34 AM »
Hello and welcome. Are you like just doing the laws your own, or do you have a whole community you're a part of?
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 12:42:57 AM »
Hello and welcome. Are you like just doing the laws your own, or do you have a whole community you're a part of?

Thank you! I do not have a Noahide community in real life. But I have many Jewish and Noahide friends online. 

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Re: Shalom
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 03:20:47 PM »
Thank you! I do not have a Noahide community in real life. But I have many Jewish and Noahide friends online.

Are there any near you? I highly recommend it, community is cool, especially for meeting like-minded persons of the fairer sex.
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2018, 01:57:04 AM »
Are there any near you?

Not really. HaShem is always with me. I do not seek a wife right now (I am 29). But I hope that HaShem will bless me with a Noahide wife when the time is right.

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Re: Shalom
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 02:22:02 AM »
Not really. HaShem is always with me. I do not seek a wife right now (I am 29). But I hope that HaShem will bless me with a Noahide wife when the time is right.

I'm telling you, run as quickly as possible to find a good wife. These are the years when you're at your max strength and can make a girl happiest, don't waste it.
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2018, 03:05:27 AM »
I'm telling you, run as quickly as possible to find a good wife. These are the years when you're at your max strength and can make a girl happiest, don't waste it.

Thanks for the advice! I have personal problems. I am not ready for marriage. By the way, Gentiles are not commanded to be fruitful and multiply.   

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Re: Shalom
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2018, 11:53:31 PM »
Thanks for the advice! I have personal problems. I am not ready for marriage. By the way, Gentiles are not commanded to be fruitful and multiply.

Yes you are, Adam is your forefather too. And commandment or not, the flow of mazal comes through the woman not you, rush for this like you do when you need to use the bathroom.
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2018, 12:22:20 AM »
Yes you are, Adam is your forefather too. And commandment or not, the flow of mazal comes through the woman not you, rush for this like you do when you need to use the bathroom.


The command to be fruitful and multiply in Parashat Bereshit is one of the 613 mitzvot. For Adam and Noah, it was a one time command. It is not incumbent on all goyim today.


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Re: Shalom
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2018, 12:24:31 AM »


The command to be fruitful and multiply in Parashat Bereshit is one of the 613 mitzvot. For Adam and Noah, it was a one time command. It is not incumbent on all goyim today.

To work and make babies everyone knows in their heart is an obligation. What's your source?
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2018, 12:25:43 AM »
Yes you are, Adam is your forefather too. And commandment or not, the flow of mazal comes through the woman not you, rush for this like you do when you need to use the bathroom.

I like you. But I fear that you are mistaken about the Torah Law for Gentiles. It is explained in Tractate Sanhedrin 59b that Adam was commanded to be fruitful and multiply, but at the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai, this command was removed from Gentiles, and it remained only for the Jews.

The main prohibition against idol worship is not to serve one of the creations, be it an angel, a spiritual power, a constellation, a star or a planet, one of the fundamentals of the physical creation (for example, earth, water, air, fire, matter, antimatter, positive charge, negative charge), a person, an animal, a tree, or any other created thing. I need HaShem, not a woman  :)

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Re: Shalom
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2018, 12:29:09 AM »
I like you. But I fear that you are mistaken about the Torah Law for Gentiles. It is explained in Tractate Sanhedrin 59b that Adam was commanded to be fruitful and multiply, but at the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai, this command was removed from Gentiles, and it remained only for the Jews.

The main prohibition against idol worship is not to serve one of the creations, be it an angel, a spiritual power, a constellation, a star or a planet, one of the fundamentals of the physical creation (for example, earth, water, air, fire, matter, antimatter, positive charge, negative charge), a person, an animal, a tree, or any other created thing. I need HaShem, not a woman  :)

I need to read that somewhere first. I can understand it and it makes sense, but i need the source. I didn't say you need a woman, but they're just great.
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2018, 12:34:56 AM »
I need to read that somewhere first. I can understand it and it makes sense, but i need the source.

Likewise, this applies to any pre-Sinai commandment that was recorded by Moses in the Book of Genesis or the Book of Exodus up to the account of the covenant and the revelation at Mount Sinai, but which was not repeated to Moses on Mount Sinai. (But the Seven Noahide Commandments, and the extended Noahide Code, were commanded to Moses on Mount Sinai as the Torah Laws for Gentiles.) Henceforth, beginning from the giving of the Torah's Laws to Moses on Mount Sinai, the original commandments from before Mount Sinai are only binding on Jews, and not on Gentiles (the Divine Code by Rabbi Moshe Weiner, Ask Noah International, 2011, p 510).

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Re: Shalom
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2018, 12:37:49 AM »
Likewise, this applies to any pre-Sinai commandment that was recorded by Moses in the Book of Genesis or the Book of Exodus up to the account of the covenant and the revelation at Mount Sinai, but which was not repeated to Moses on Mount Sinai. (But the Seven Noahide Commandments, and the extended Noahide Code, were commanded to Moses on Mount Sinai as the Torah Laws for Gentiles.) Henceforth, beginning from the giving of the Torah's Laws to Moses on Mount Sinai, the original commandments from before Mount Sinai are only binding on Jews, and not on Gentiles (the Divine Code by Rabbi Moshe Weiner, Ask Noah International, 2011, p 510).

R. Weiner is a good Rabbi, I'll take his word for it.
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2018, 02:21:17 AM »
Likewise, this applies to any pre-Sinai commandment that was recorded by Moses in the Book of Genesis or the Book of Exodus up to the account of the covenant and the revelation at Mount Sinai


I heard something like that before.

This is from Chabad.org's calendar. Is this what you are referring to?

Jewish History

Moses Transcribes (first part of) Torah (1313 BCE)

On Sivan 4 of the year 2448 from creation (1313 BCE)--two days before the revelation at Mount Sinai--Moses wrote down the first 68 chapters of the Torah, from Genesis 1:1 ("In the Beginning G-d created the heavens and the earth") to the Giving of the Torah in Exodus 19 (Exodus 24:4; Rashi ibid.).


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Re: Shalom
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2018, 05:19:09 AM »
Is this what you are referring to?

Yes. It is obvious that the primary commanding of the seven Noahide mitzvot was to Adam and Noah, but G-d added three new dimensions through Moses:

(a) The Torah's details of the Noahide commandments that were not revealed before Mount Sinai.

(b) Their new strength as absolute and eternal commandments, which did not exist before Mount Sinai.

(c) After Mount Sinai, it is impossible to add, subtract or change any of the Noahide Commandments forever. 

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Re: Shalom
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2018, 06:19:44 PM »
Thanks for the dvar Torah bro, I learned things.
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Re: Shalom
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2018, 02:29:30 AM »
Thanks for the dvar Torah bro, I learned things.

No problem bro. Thanks for the warm welcome.