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Tzitzit and Tallit
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Khazan on April 08, 2008, 02:31:58 AM ---are the the tzitzit worn today the same exact as the ones worn in the times of the torah and Kings? I'm wondering where the chassidic style evolved from, I don't think the Israelites were wandering the desert in wool trenchcoats and wool hats.
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What do wool hats and trenchcoats have to do with tzitzit? Those are entirely different things. All religious Jews where Tzitzit, either with fringes tucked into pants (more common practice in USA) or left out for all to see in the style that Jews originally wore them (more common in Israel). Tzitzit have nothing to do with being chassidic or not chassidic.
And the chassidic style dress (a separate subject that has nothing to do with Torah observance) came from where chassidism originated in Europe, what climates were there, and what style of clothing these Jews mostly wore. It has become a tradition of sorts for present-day chassidic Jews to replicate the clothing styles of their 19th century/20th century chassidic ancestors. Not my style, but I don't knock them for it.
Eliezer Ben Avraham:
--- Quote from: Khazan on April 08, 2008, 02:31:58 AM ---are the the tzitzit worn today the same exact as the ones worn in the times of the torah and Kings? I'm wondering where the chassidic style evolved from, I don't think the Israelites were wandering the desert in wool trenchcoats and wool hats.
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Tzitzit in those days had the Tchelet color. Today we aren't sure what that color came from, but some people add it today, they think it was some sort of crustacean, I forget which
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on April 13, 2008, 01:36:50 PM ---It's not in violation of a mitzah not to wear tzitzit unless you are wearing a four cornered garment without the fringes. But since people don't wear those garments today as their style of dress, they wear an extra garment with four corners just so they will be able to fulfill the positive mitzvah but they are not breaking it by not wearing it.
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Yes true, I was just thinking that nowadays it is customary that Torah observant Jews always wear that 4 cornered garment in order to have tzitzit on as a daily mitzvah.
Khazan:
--- Quote from: Eliezer Ben Avraham on April 14, 2008, 10:58:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Khazan on April 08, 2008, 02:31:58 AM ---are the the tzitzit worn today the same exact as the ones worn in the times of the torah and Kings? I'm wondering where the chassidic style evolved from, I don't think the Israelites were wandering the desert in wool trenchcoats and wool hats.
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Tzitzit in those days had the Tchelet color. Today we aren't sure what that color came from, but some people add it today, they think it was some sort of crustacean, I forget which
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Aren't crustaceans unkosher?
I'm aware that the tzitzit and chassdic winter style are exclusive of on another. I don't understand why chassadim in Israel still wear those close in the heat of Israeli summer. I understand that if you're in Poland or Russia in the winter such a style makes sense, but why still do it when back in the motherland?
Eliezer Ben Avraham:
--- Quote from: Khazan on April 16, 2008, 11:09:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: Eliezer Ben Avraham on April 14, 2008, 10:58:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Khazan on April 08, 2008, 02:31:58 AM ---are the the tzitzit worn today the same exact as the ones worn in the times of the torah and Kings? I'm wondering where the chassidic style evolved from, I don't think the Israelites were wandering the desert in wool trenchcoats and wool hats.
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Tzitzit in those days had the Tchelet color. Today we aren't sure what that color came from, but some people add it today, they think it was some sort of crustacean, I forget which
--- End quote ---
Aren't crustaceans unkosher?
I'm aware that the tzitzit and chassdic winter style are exclusive of on another. I don't understand why chassadim in Israel still wear those close in the heat of Israeli summer. I understand that if you're in Poland or Russia in the winter such a style makes sense, but why still do it when back in the motherland?
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well they aren't eating it, I think the Tchelet came from a snail or something, maybe I'm wrong
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