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What do you think Islam is ?

Religion
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Cult
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Ideology
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Something else (say what)
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I don't know
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Islam - Religion ?
« on: October 12, 2007, 05:08:06 PM »
I think Islam is a religion .
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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2007, 05:28:16 PM »
These are the definitions of Religion:

*Generally a belief in a deity and practice of worship, action, and/or thought related to that deity. Loosely, any specific system of code of ethics, values, and belief.

*belief in a divine or superhuman power or powers to be obeyed and worshipped as the creator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe


Religion is technically a belief and muslims believe in Islam. However the way a belief is carried out or practisced determines whether or not it is abusive and similar to a cult, which also refers to more recent formings. In the case of Islam, you obviously know the answer.

An Ideology is a complex or complicated concept.

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2007, 05:28:47 PM »
Islam is a death cult. Islam tells people that the purpose of life is the preparation for death, after that to get other people to follow it, failing that, kill them. Death, death, death, that's the repeating theme.

Actually, most of what I learned about Islam, I learned on 9-11, after looking into it a little more, I realized that looking into it really wasn't necessary, my first impression was spot on.
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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2007, 05:29:48 PM »
It's a religion. Certainly not a great one, but still a religion.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2007, 05:32:44 PM »
It's a religion. Certainly not a great one, but still a religion.

It's a cult, it's an old cult, followed by 100's of millions, but that doesn't give it legitimacy, it is as loony tunes to me as the Jim Jones suicide cult or the Heaven's Gate cult.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2007, 05:36:53 PM »
It's a religion. Certainly not a great one, but still a religion.

It's a cult, it's an old cult, followed by 100's of millions, but that doesn't give it legitimacy, it is as loony tunes to me as the Jim Jones suicide cult or the Heaven's Gate cult.
It's an evil religion, there's no doubt, but I'll say this, as will many Rabbis - if there were as many Jews in Israel davening three times a day as there are Muslim Nazis there praying five times a day, the situation would be totally different.
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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2007, 05:39:40 PM »
Muslims pray 5 times a day .

Today there is a Muslim holiday if I'm not mistaking.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2007, 05:42:09 PM »
Muslims pray 5 times a day .

Today there is a Muslim holiday if I'm not mistaking.
Yes they do.  That was a typo.  :-[

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2007, 10:07:41 PM »
As I have called it a number of times before, islam is a satanic barbaric deathcult. It does not deserve to be included in the category of 'religion'. Evil is not to be legitamized in any way, shape or form morally or ethically, especially in Judaism if I am not mistaken.
The satanic barbaric deathcult of islam spread like a cancer throughout the world, killing and destroying everything it touches. muslims are like the hiv/aids virus, subverting the societies of non muslim lands only to allow the cancer of islam to consume and destroy. muslim, I curse and hate you, your 'prophet', 'g o d' and deathcult.   
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2007, 10:12:11 PM »
It's a religion.  It is a satanic, death-worshipping, cruel, and primeval religion.  No one ever said that religions had to be sensible, peaceful, or good.
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"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2007, 10:15:10 PM »
It's a Religion... of Satan!

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2007, 10:50:10 PM »
It's a religion.  It is a satanic, death-worshipping, cruel, and primeval religion.  No one ever said that religions had to be sensible, peaceful, or good.

True, generally speaking, no known major religions do not espouse the elements islam does. Name a religion other than islam that is as bad as islam. You would not find one and cults do not count.
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The satanic barbaric deathcult of islam spread like a cancer throughout the world, killing and destroying everything it touches. muslims are like the hiv/aids virus, subverting the societies of non muslim lands only to allow the cancer of islam to consume and destroy. muslim, I curse and hate you, your 'prophet', 'g o d' and deathcult.   
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 10:53:12 PM »
It's a religion.  It is a satanic, death-worshipping, cruel, and primeval religion.  No one ever said that religions had to be sensible, peaceful, or good.

True, generally speaking, no known major religions do not espouse the elements islam does. Name a religion other than islam that is as bad as islam. You would not find one and cults do not count.

Yes, we know it's the worst, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a religion.
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

-Excerpt from The Haj by Leon Uris

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2007, 10:55:10 PM »
It's a religion.  It is a satanic, death-worshipping, cruel, and primeval religion.  No one ever said that religions had to be sensible, peaceful, or good.

True, generally speaking, no known major religions do not espouse the elements islam does. Name a religion other than islam that is as bad as islam. You would not find one and cults do not count.

Yes, we know it's the worst, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a religion.

You regard cults as a religion?
The satanic barbaric deathcult of islam spread like a cancer throughout the world, killing and destroying everything it touches. muslims are like the hiv/aids virus, subverting the societies of non muslim lands only to allow the cancer of islam to consume and destroy. muslim, I curse and hate you, your 'prophet', 'g o d' and deathcult.   
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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2007, 11:02:22 PM »
It meets every official definition of a cult. It's a big one, but a cult nonetheless.

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2007, 11:28:54 PM »
Yes.. It's a gutter religion!
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2007, 11:27:25 AM »
It's very hard to bung things into catergories like this. If it is a "religion", what is a religion? If it's a "cult", well, how do you define cult? etc.

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2007, 05:45:44 PM »
A cult is a recent formation.

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2007, 06:03:02 PM »
Sometimes there aren't such clear differences between religions and cults.  In some sense, religions are established cults.  Many religions in the beginning were cults, but they grew and became bona fide religions.  Islam is a religion, its members worship and hold themselves out as Muslims openly, more than 1/6th of the world follows it, purportedly they believe in a single "God", and they have an established mode of worship.  There is not a single aspect of Islam that prevents it from being a religion.  If Satan worship was believed and practiced by 1/6th of the human population, it would be a religion.  Practically any belief system becomes a religion if it is agreed upon by enough people, is somewhat uniform in its practice, and if they believe in supernatural powers and they have their own understanding of who the creator of the Universe and how he did it.  Islam has all those aspects, cults lack a few of those aspects.

Just look up the definition of religion in the dictionary and you'll see that Islam meets every commonly accepted definition of what a religion is.  Not only does it meet people's understanding of religions, it is considered worldwide as one of the "great 3 religions". 

There is no need to demote Islam from the status of religion in order to disrespect or attempt to subvert it. 
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2007, 04:52:04 AM »
Islam is a religion of piece that worship a satan, in some aspect like death penalty for apostes, exlusivness it's cult in some like establishing world conquering Caliphate. sharia law etc. it's totalitarian ideology like nazism or communism. However shoud not have legal protection the US constitution and western laws give to religions and belives becouse it's technicly speaking a religion.
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2007, 05:53:36 PM »
The penalty for leaving islam is death(not that every ex muslim is killed, but its still sanctioned), there isnt any other religion that sanctions death for leaving, its a cult.

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2007, 06:09:31 PM »
The penalty for leaving islam is death(not that every ex muslim is killed, but its still sanctioned), there isnt any other religion that sanctions death for leaving, its a cult.

There's no definition of religion that says that you must not be killed for leaving it.  That's really irrelevant.  Just because Islam has characteristics about it that are unique to itself, doesn't make it a cult. 
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

-Excerpt from The Haj by Leon Uris

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2007, 06:12:41 PM »
No, but in  cults you are not allowed to leave, which is why people are often rescued and then must be deprogrammed.  I still think it is a cult.

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2007, 06:14:45 PM »
It is a mass cult of death.

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Re: Islam - Religion ?
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2007, 04:18:08 AM »
what ever it is its bad for your health...if your a young boy theres a good chance your walking like John Wayne before you are 6 years old if your a girl its worse.as a teenager if your selected you can blow yur selves up at jewish checkpoints.if your middle aged you can kill your sons and daughters by doing nothing to prevent the above listed hazards.If your old,you can retire on western good grace while still preaching hatred and allowing child abuses to continue therefore     CULT.
And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken perversion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage, to draw thee aside out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.Deuteronomy 13:5.