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Offline ItalianZionist

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Anyone ever read the book of Maccabees?
« on: August 19, 2024, 10:31:42 PM »
The book of Maccabees is part of the Catholic Bible, not protestant. I believe it's not part of the Torah. Anyone know why it's in the Catholic bible and not the torah? Since its about the Jews fighting for their freedom from the greeks. Below is an interesting verse where it describes, of all things, a treaty of alliance between the Romans and the Jews. The last sentence is surprising:

And this is a copy of the letter that they wrote in reply, on bronze tablets, and sent to Jerusalem to remain with them there as a memorial of peace and alliance:

May all go well with the Romans and with the nation of the Jews at sea and on land for ever, and may sword and enemy be far from them. If war comes first to Rome or to any of their allies in all their dominion, the nation of the Jews shall act as their allies wholeheartedly, as the occasion may indicate to them. To the enemy that makes war they shall not give or supply grain, arms, money, or ships, just as Rome has decided; and they shall keep their obligations without receiving any return. In the same way, if war comes first to the nation of the Jews, the Romans shall willingly act as their allies, as the occasion may indicate to them. And to their enemies there shall not be given grain, arms, money, or ships, just as Rome has decided; and they shall keep these obligations and do so without deceit. Thus on these terms the Romans make a treaty with the Jewish people. If after these terms are in effect both parties shall determine to add or delete anything, they shall do so at their discretion, and any addition or deletion that they may make shall be valid.

Concerning the wrongs that King Demetrius is doing to them, we have written to him as follows, "Why have you made your yoke heavy on our friends and allies the Jews? If now they appeal again for help against you, we will defend their rights and fight you on sea and on land."

— 1 Maccabees 8:22-32[4]

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Re: Anyone ever read the book of Maccabees?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2024, 10:33:05 PM »
I haven't gotten to read it but it looks interesting.

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Re: Anyone ever read the book of Maccabees?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2024, 12:07:34 AM »
The book of Maccabees is part of the Catholic Bible, not protestant. I believe it's not part of the Torah. Anyone know why it's in the Catholic bible and not the Torah?

Because Moses didn't receive it. Judaism begins and ends with Moses.
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Re: Anyone ever read the book of Maccabees?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2024, 09:08:45 PM »
Because Moses didn't receive it. Judaism begins and ends with Moses.

 Not exactly.  Their are later Prophets and Writings that are included in Tannach (after Moses). Its writings that the Rabbis decided to include vs. why not to include.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Anyone ever read the book of Maccabees?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2024, 09:15:29 PM »
I don't know where to find a copy free of Xtian terminology. It doesn't sound Jewish to say John when it should say Yochanan. Also, it's Judah the Maccabee or Yehuda HaMaccabi,  not "Judas Maccabeus". I tried to look up a proper translation into English and it showed some black Hebro nonsense. I bought a book that's based on it by Hagai Ben-Artzi, Netanyahu's religious brother-in-law but it's not word for word. He also made a Megilla for The Six Day War that I have.

https://www.templeinstitutestore.com/product-page/megillat-chanukah-the-chanukah-scroll


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Re: Anyone ever read the book of Maccabees?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2024, 09:34:35 PM »
Not exactly.  Their are later Prophets and Writings that are included in Tannach (after Moses). Its writings that the Rabbis decided to include vs. why not to include.

Subsequent prophets were sent to exhort people to keep the Torah, but not to add, change or nullify any of its commandments: 613 for Jews and the 7 for Gentiles. 
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