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Gender is binary. Race is not.
Binyamin Yisrael:
--- Quote from: Hrvatski Noahid on August 26, 2024, 11:43:50 PM ---At Mount Sinai, the approximately 3 million assembled Israelites entered into a Divine Covenant with God and became the Jewish People, and they received the Torah Law from God through Moses. From that point on, anyone born to a Jewish mother is a Jew, and is obligated in the Jewish commandments of the Torah. Likewise anyone born to a Gentile mother is a Gentile (one of the Children of Noah), and is obligated in the Noahide commandments of the Torah.
I don't know where Binyamin gets his racial classification, but it's not the Torah.
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I don't know where you get your racial classifications. Being Jewish or Noahide is about religion, not race. Race is more related to Noah's three sons, but even that's not a clear division since Caucasians descend from all three sons but some of his sons also have non-white descendants.
For example, Ham is the father of the Kushim but he is also the father of white Hamites like the Ancient Egyptians and Canaanites. Japheth is the father of the Indo-European sub-race but some Orientals such as Koreans and Japanese may descend from hm as well. Shem is probably the father of some Orientals as well such as some Chinese people. But we know for sure that all Negros (Kushim) and Australoids are Hamites. Caucasians are Orientals can be from all three of Noah's sons.
There is nothing Halachic about race. All that matter is that there are 70 Noahide Nations and that the three continents of the Bible were roughly divided between the three sons of Noah. Hamites (white and black) were assigned Africa, Japhetites were assigned Europe, and Shem was assigned Asia. Hamites usurped parts of Southwest Asia. I don't know if the Indo part of Indo-Europeans can be considered Japheth usurping Asia. The division of Europe and Asia is man made so the Halachic definiton of Europe and Asia might be different than the traditional geographic division of Eurasia into Europe and Asia.
Hrvatski Noahid:
--- Quote from: Binyamin Yisrael on August 27, 2024, 12:46:19 AM ---I don't know where you get your racial classifications. Being Jewish or Noahide is about religion, not race.
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So atheist Jews are not Jewish? This is where your non-Torah racial obsession leads you.
Mishmaat:
--- Quote from: Hrvatski Noahid on August 27, 2024, 12:53:59 AM ---So atheist Jews are not Jewish? This is where your non-Torah racial obsession leads you.
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That's a good counter point. Jews are both a race and a religion.
Binyamin Yisrael:
--- Quote from: Hrvatski Noahid on August 27, 2024, 12:53:59 AM ---So atheist Jews are not Jewish? This is where your non-Torah racial obsession leads you.
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They are Jews. Self-hating Jews are still Jews. In Islam, if someone doesn't want kill all Non-Muslims, he or she is not a Muslim. In Xtianity, someone who doesn't believe in Yeshu is not an Xtian. In Judaism, if you're mother is Jewish, you're Jewish.
Binyamin Yisrael:
--- Quote from: Mishmaat on August 27, 2024, 01:19:25 PM ---That's a good counter point. Jews are both a race and a religion.
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Jews are a nation and ethnicity, not a race. Jews are a white ethnic group, not a separate race. Saying Jews are a race is like saying Italians are a race. Both are white ethnic groups. Both are Mediterranean Caucasians. The other Caucasians are Nordic and Alpine. The type of Mediterranean we are is Semitic. Jews also accept converts of any race or ethnicity. But I'm talking about the nation as a whole.
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