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Is this the orthodox view of hell?
Hrvatski Noahid:
--- Quote from: ItalianZionist on January 19, 2025, 08:40:59 AM ---It's amazing to me that even among orthodox Jews thrre is no universally accepted agreement on this important topic. Or is there? But it has not been posted here? When I bring this up to my orthodox friends, they tend to avoid the topic.
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Zelhar is a secular Jew. My source is Seven Gates of Righteous Knowledge by Rabbi Weiner and Dr. Schulman.
edu:
* The soul is not a piece of G-d!
* Judaism believes in reward and punishment.
* Gan Eden is part of the reward and Gehenom is part of the punishment.
ItalianZionist:
--- Quote from: edu on January 19, 2025, 12:53:09 PM ---
* The soul is not a piece of G-d!
* Judaism believes in reward and punishment.
* Gan Eden is part of the reward and Gehenom is part of the punishment.
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Yes but what is the punishment? Is it permanent? Is it temporary? Is it a cleansing then the soul has a chance to go to heaven? Does this apply to creatures like bin laden ? Why is there no official consensus in the orthodox community?
Dovid_2:
--- Quote from: ItalianZionist on January 19, 2025, 04:12:14 PM ---Yes but what is the punishment? Is it permanent? Is it temporary? Is it a cleansing then the soul has a chance to go to heaven? Does this apply to creatures like bin laden ? Why is there no official consensus in the orthodox community?
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Hell in Judaism is not like a painting of the seventh level described in Dante's Inferno.
In Judaism, if a person lives to an old age and is able to actualize their intellect and achieve perfect knowledge of G-D, their intellect continues to exist after death apart from the body.
If a person is unable to achieve perfect knowledge of G-D, then there is a debate... Most Jews believe in transference of the soul (in other words, the soul has to come back in a different body to perfect itself). But this idea is relatively new in Judaism, and you'd be just as well off in discussing it with a secular professor of theology because as far as I know, it was only seriously studied by moslem, Christian and Jewish philosophers in early medieval times (I am not referring to resurrection described in the Tanach). Now I'm not sure what the other side says the process of correction for the soul is, but I can only tell you that many Jewish scholars of the past oppose the idea of transference of the soul.
Next we have the person "condemned" to hell... A person condemned to hell is completely destroyed and they cease to exist.
I am aware of the hassidic teaching of hell being a place of "cleansing" ("kaf hakella" in kaballa) -- I don't accept this view, and there is no such place of hell as described. I base my view on the teachings of the students of Rabbenu Meshullam's Yeshiva in Southern France from the 14th century.
Nachus:
:usa+israel: :fist:
I believe that historically, there were surely
at least a few Machloket among Chazal regarding
this topic and discussions among other Jewish
people that “went to hell and back” trying to figure
it out. It is difficult to believe how the anti Semitic
megalomaniacal wicked drek could possibly ever
be forgiven and or “cleansed” And despite some
having had some near death experiences and
describing situation le and the similarities between
the various individual experiences, Gehinnom is
surely a ‘place’ well worth avoiding!
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