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The Worldwide Crisis of Islam => The Truth About Islam => Topic started by: Christian Zionist on October 08, 2006, 02:51:30 PM
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The Arabic words are allah and mohammed. The third phrase is "Khinzeer Akbar", meaning "Pig is Great".
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Those pigs look like they've been malnourished.
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I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the room watching what happens when the Mo-hammedans see those pictures on their computer screens! :o
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I LOVE IT!!!!!! HAHAHAHA Eat it, Moo HAM ed!!!
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On seeing pictures such as these, muslims will just launch into tirades about racism.
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Racism my foot.. want to see what muslims pigs are? here ya go
OINK OF ALLAH!
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ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD The founder of Iswine.. Mohammed the pig face now thats a cartoon!
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I thought this wasn't a racist site? Whereby the administrator himself is contributing to these profound and unwarranted issues. You should all be ashamed of yourselves and embarrassed to call yourself a Jew. Some of my best friends are Jewish and we are able to live in harmony with respect for one another's religions. If you have forgotton or your minds have been clouded we consider Moses (peace be upon him) as a prophet! By the way I am Muslim and here to discuss not argue........This is what this forum is about correct?!
Some questions for you all to think about.....Why the need to be so hateful? How can you judge a religion in such a hateful way, when for thousands of years the Jews have been persecuted in the most horrific ways and may I add not entirely by Muslims!!!!!
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I thought this wasn't a racist site? Whereby the administrator himself is contributing to these profound and unwarranted issues. You should all be ashamed of yourselves and embarrassed to call yourself a Jew. Some of my best friends are Jewish and we are able to live in harmony with respect for one another's religions. If you have forgotton or your minds have been clouded we consider Moses (peace be upon him) as a prophet! By the way I am Muslim and here to discuss not argue........This is what this forum is about correct?!
Some questions for you all to think about.....Why the need to be so hateful? How can you judge a religion in such a hateful way, when for thousands of years the Jews have been persecuted in the most horrific ways and may I add not entirely by Muslims!!!!!
1) If someone defames mohammed, the entire muslim world goes INSANE. If someone defames Moses or Jesus, all you will hear is the chirping of crickets.
Therefore, which of these religions eluded to is NOT peaceful?
2) If a non-muslim touches a koran, the entire muslim world becomes outraged. If a Nick Berg gets his head sawed off for loving and helping muslims, the muslim world is silent.
Why is this?
3) A religion of peace will NEVER produce suicide bombers, no matter HOW one interprets the book.
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No other holy book instructs it's folllowers to not make friends with people of other religions, or to kill them:
surah 3 verse 28: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
surah 4 verse 88: What aileth you that ye are become two parties regarding the hypocrites, when Allah cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they earned? Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him thou (O Muhammad) canst not find a road.
surah 4 verse 89: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
(Those given a portion of scripture is the quran's way of refferring to Christians and Jews)
surah 4 verse 51+52: Hast thou not seen those unto whom a portion of the Scripture hath been given, how they believe in idols and false deities, and how they say of those (idolaters) who disbelieve: "These are more rightly guided than those who believe" ? Those are they whom Allah hath cursed, and he whom Allah hath cursed, thou (O Muhammad) wilt find for him no helper.
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And you have the choice to decide whether or not to take the higher road. So much for being a light among nations.
If your only purpose as an antagonizer is to antagonize, then why would you expect then to react differently. The fact is that many right wing Jews find racism to be funny, just as long as it isn't against them.
Have you seen the Jewish comic, "The Amazing Racist"?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Amazing+Racist&search=Search
I bet you guys find that stuff funny. If it were a non-jew making similar tasteless jokes about Jews, Abe Foxman and the ADL would be on the front page of the New York Times whining accusations of antisemetism. What makes you think you can hold other people accountable for the misdeeds of their race when Jews will not hold their own accountable for misdeeds against others?
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The higher road? I guess you mean turn the other cheeck, except for the fact that that is a Christian unJewish concept that many Jews ignorant of Torah have convinced themselves has something to do with Halacha.
In Judaism when there is a enemy it is a great Mitzvah to utterly destroy them.
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Yochanan Zev, are you a muslim?
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The higher road? I guess you mean turn the other cheeck, except for the fact that that is a Christian unJewish concept that many Jews ignorant of Torah have convinced themselves has something to do with Halacha.
In Judaism when there is a enemy it is a great Mitzvah to utterly destroy them.
No, but the Torah tells us to circumcise our hearts so that we do not follow the low road. "Turning the other cheek" is not
exclusive to Christianity.
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No.
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Why do you jump to defend to Islam then?
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Why do you jump to defend to Islam then?
Those avatars would be offensive to all Muslims, not just fundamentalists. It isn't right to antagonize the entire Muslim community just because of the ones who don't want peace.
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I'm a black convert, just like Sammy Davis, Jr. :)
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Islam = following the quran.
Look at what the quran says before complaining about these things.
By definition a "peaceful" muslim is either fifth column or not a muslim.
I don't care a toss what race someone is, it's what is inside rather than what you look like that matters.
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I don't have to know what the Quar'an says to do what's right. That's why we have Torah. We are supposed to be example people.
I do agree that the Muslim community are not doing enough to make the peace and are allowing radical elements to forward their determination. Therefore the MC is not acting responsibly towards these terrorists, and indeed their faith. I don't believe political correctness is the answer, but I know that antagonizing them will not help matters.
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First, Sammy Davis, Jr. was NOT a Jew and did NOT convert to Judaism. He got a Reform "rabbi" to claim he was converted because Davis thought that that would help his career among Jews in Hollywood. Little did he know that the Jews in Hollywood are all assimilated, intermarried, self-hating scum who are not at all impressed by someone who claims to be interested in the Jewish faith which none of them believe in.
For you, as a black man, to lecture the Jews about racism is real chutzpah (gall). Your people overwhelmingly support black Nazi leaders like Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakhan, Al Sharpton, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, etc. etc.
The Jews fought for you in the civil rights movement and even gave their lives for you (Schwerner and Goodman were killed in Mississippi trying to register black voters). To this day, the UJA and other Jewish establishment Jews fund your anti-Semitic organizations like the NAACP, the Urban League, and so on.
Your people have expressed their "gratitude" to the Jews by backing black Hitlers like Jackson, Farakhan and Sharpton. And by murdering innocent Jews like Yankel Rosenbaum. And black jurors in case after case acquit the murderers of Jews even when the evidence is overwhelming.
Don't come here lecturing the Jewish people about racism. YOUR people are the worst racists and anti-Semites in America. YOUR people are the "Klan with a tan."
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You sound very angry, but what you're trying to tell me is that you have an excuse for antagonzing Muslims. Tell me though, when did you become such an expert on the aspirations of black people?
Do you actually know the details of Sammy Davis, Jrs conversion, or are you just rambling off some hearsay you read or heard somewhere because it agrees with your distain you have towards blacks. Sammy Davis Jr strongly identified with being Jewish, and it hurt him deeply when his extension to the Jewish community wasn't recipocated. I'm not as sensitive as him, and could care less about gaining acceptance. So when I talk about issures such as assimilation and bigotry, I am speaking as someone who prides himself on being a bit of an outcast. I don't make excuses.
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You act as if you think that most muslims want to live in peace, as far as can be seen, this is not the truth.
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Right now I don't believe the majority of Muslims want war, but that could change over time if they feel they are being antagonized. A pig is no different than a dog in that if you keep kicking at it, it will eventually turn on you and bite back.
I though JTF was like JDL, in that they advocate safety for Israel. Does JTF consider peace as a viable option?
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Look at what Islam preaches before you try to say make peace with it, seriously, peace with Islam can't work.
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Sammy Davis got a Reform "conversion" which has no validity whatsoever.
AFTER HIS CONVERSION, SAMMY DAVIS HELD A FUNDRAISER FOR THE JEW-HATING BLACK PANTHER PARTY IN 1972, AND ALSO RAISED MONEY FOR THE BLACK JEW-HATING COMMUNIST ANGELA DAVIS.
You are a black Jew-hater. Notice how you accuse the Jews of racism but defend the Muslim Nazis. And you blame the Jews for Muslim terrorist mass murder! The Jews cause the Muslims to be terrorist mass murderers by "antagonizing" them, you write. The Muslim Nazis were peaceful until the Jews antagonized them.
Play your little game about being a convert somewhere else.
My son is a REAL convert to Judaism who lives in Israel.
You were converted? By which Bet Din? What happened during the conversion process?
Why can't you at least be honest enough to say that you are a black man who wants to disagree with our views? You know nothing about Judaism. Even a Gentile like me can see through you easily.
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Don't be so harsh jsullivan, how do you know that he is not simply misguided?
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And your point is? Since you believe there is no hope for peace, it's okay to antagonize them? There was a time in history when Islam and Judaism were able to co-exist side by side. Or is that just more fairy tales.
Believe me, I hear radical Muslims talk about the occupation of native lands I know that many of them are not just talking
about the West Bank or the Golan Heights. They are indeed referring to the whole of Israel. Then there are the ones that are neutral who just want to lead prosperous lives, who could care less about these issues.
There is no defense for suicide bombers and martyrs. They forfeited their humanity once they decided to strap to their waists and made a weapon out of themselves. But what purpose does it serve to dehumanize all Muslims, even those that would potentially become supporters of Israel?
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Look, if they are proper muslims, they support the suicide bombers, it's as simple as that, it's what the quran says, look at some of those quotes I posted.
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Don't be so harsh jsullivan, how do you know that he is not simply misguided?
It's apparent jsullivan is so blinded with hate and vengeance, he obviously can't tell a Jew Hater from a righteous convert who embraces his Judaism. He takes comfort in believing that his Pig avatars are not harmful, and therefore he is above criticism.
It's the standard MO of racists to reflect any charges of racism by accusing their accuser, rather than making a persuasive argument. It's like arguing with Pee-Wee Herman, " I know you are , but what am I". lol lol.
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Just the same way that someone who styles themselves as some sort of pious soul can twist around the words from Bereshit that the black race is the cursed spawn of Ham I suppose?
If it is shown that a person doesn't even respect their own book enough, to twists it's words around in order use it to validate their hate, why would I believe that same person would have as much respect for someone elses book? But I am willing to be fair. Please show me your quotes and I will respond to them.
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Someone who blames the Jews for Muslim terrorist mass murder is not merely "misguided." That is justification of the mass murder and it is the ultimate example of anti-Semitism.
And this same poster tells us about how the Jews are racist. The Jews are racist?! No people on the face of the earth has ever done more to fight for blacks, Arabs, Muslims and other "minorities" only to be hated and massacred by these very same groups.
I challenge this poster to condemn the Nazi anti-Semitism of Jackson, Farakhan and Sharpton.
I challenge him to condemn the 94% of black voters who voted for Jackson when he ran for President in 1984 and in 1988.
I challenge him to condemn the 93% of black voters who voted for Sharpton when he ran for Mayor of New York in 1997.
I challenge him to condemn the one million black Nazis who went to Farakhan's 1995 Million Man March.
I challenge him to condemn the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, and Jesse Jackson for proclaiming that they have a "sacred covenant" with Farakhan, and for enthusiastically participating in all of his public rallies.
It is one thing to be ignorant and misguided. But when you know the facts, and then choose to defend the evildoers, you become a partner to their crimes.
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Why is there the assumption that a Black poster is tied at the hip with the likes of Jackson and Sharpton whenever there's a disagreement?
I believe that guy was forming his own opinions, he wasn't being a mouthpiece for the entire Black race, or the likes of the NAACP!
Nothin but "peace and love" my brothas. ;)
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Man, you are a hothead. Show me where I blamed anyone for anything!
Account for your own racism jsullivan before you challenge me or anyone else. I don't have to dance to your tune.
You've only proved my point in that the same people who find comedy in belittling other people because of their race are
the first one to make accusations of antisemitism. Black Nazi? Muslim Nazi? So everyone you don't agree with is a Nazi?
BTW, I read those quotes from the qua'ran. That is quite a reach to say that they were intended to speak to the idea jihad or killing Jews and Christians.
I'n surprised you haven't commented on my signature yet?
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That the Hebrew name I chose right before the Mohel stabbed me with his needle.
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This black poster came here accusing the Jews of racism. So he has to explain how he can make such an accusation when his own people are the worst racists and anti-Semities in America.
I hope all of our posters will see the significance of this. After all that the Jews did for the blacks, look at the response. The Jews are still accused of racism. And the hypocritical blacks making the accusations have leaders who praise Hitler as "a very great man" (Farakhan's infamous radio speech in which he said that he liked being compared to Hitler because "Hitler was a great man, Hitler was a very great man.")
I am not against all blacks. If there are blacks who are not hateful, evil, jealous scum, then I have nothing against them. But the good blacks are exceptions - like Alan Keyes. Most blacks ARE racists and anti-Semites.
I just can't get over how much the blacks hate the Jews after all the Jews did for them. And yet white people still refuse to learn the lesson that you can't satisfy these evil creatures. They always bite the hand that feeds them. So why feed them?
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I personally think that "Yochanan Zev" could well become a valuable member of this forum.
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By saying that "antagonizing" the Muslim Nazis is what leads to Muslim terrorism, that is blaming the Jewish victims for their own murder.
And now the black poster says the quotes from the Nazi Koran are not calling for jihad!
The black poster refuses to condemn black leaders who have praised Hitler. He objects to my calling them black Nazis. Oh yes, when Farakhan praises Hitler, and says that the Jews deserve another holocaust, and that all whites are devils who will be exterminated by Allah - that's not Nazism. And when all the black leaders defend Farakhan and go to his rallies, that is not Nazism.
According to the black poster, I am the racist for exposing this hatred.
I am an anti-racist. I am exposing black Nazi hatred as all enlightened human beings have a moral obligation to do.
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Of course you are jsullivan. You've been attacking me non-stop. Am I and everyone else here are supposed to believe it's only because you didn't like what I said?
I might be of the opinion that you would do same denouncing of white leaders that I don't like! Perhaps we could take turns until we tire of playing your game?
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I don't think Farrakhan speaks for all black people.
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Of course you are jsullivan. You've been attacking me non-stop. Am I and everyone else here are supposed to believe it's only because you didn't like what I said?
I might be of the opinion that you would do same denouncing of white leaders that I don't like! Perhaps we could take turns until we tire of playing your game?
There is a problem here, and it is not by any means just jsullivan, at the same time, it is not just you.
Both of you have been aggravating the other, to the point that the two of you have now began snapping nonsense at each, jsullivan isn't a racist, and your not a jew hater.
In my honest opinion, you have some misconceptions, and could do with studying some things a lot more, in particular Islam, and you need to learn to not be so quick to call someone racist.
jsullivan needs to learn to control his temper, and to realize that just not understanding certain things, doesn't make someone evil.
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I believe it was very despicable when Kwame Ture/Stokely Carmichael referring to Hitler as "one of the greatest/most brilliant men that ever lived".
Okay Jsullivan, your turn.
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Farakhan speaks for the million blacks who went to his Million Man March. He speaks for Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, and the Congressional Black Caucus who have what they call a "sacred covenant" with him. And Jackson, Sharpton and the Congressional Black Caucus get more than 90% of black votes.
Do either one of the black posters on this thread condemn all of these black Nazis? No.
Blacks who won't condemn these evil black leaders are like a German who refuses to condemn Hitler.
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...I give up.
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Your turn jsullilvan. ::)
Farakhan speaks for the million blacks who went to his Million Man March. He speaks for Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, and the Congressional Black Caucus who have what they call a "sacred covenant" with him. And Jackson, Sharpton and the Congressional Black Caucus get more than 90% of black votes.
Do either one of the black posters on this thread condemn all of these black Nazis? No.
Blacks who won't condemn these evil black leaders are like a German who refuses to condemn Hitler.
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I have to go now but I've made my point.
Your refusal to condemn all of the black Nazi leaders speaks for itself. Why would it be so hard for you to condemn such blatant hatred? Your statement against Stokely Carmichael doesn't cut it. Either you are against ALL of the vicious Nazi haters or not. If not, then you are their defender and apologist.
Without hesitation, I condemn the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazi party, David Duke and any other racists who hate ALL blacks. Blacks were created by G-d just as whites were and they have free will to be good or to be evil. Most blacks have chosen evil. But the few who have chosen good are our brothers.
Because I have to go, you will get the final word tonight.
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Wow I was gone for the day came back and another clown shows up "Sammy Davis" pretender
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1. "The Amazing Racist" is comedy and recognized as such. That is a pathetic strawman.
2. Sammy Davis Jr., is NOT Jewish.
3. You're on the offensive here.
4. Islam is like Nazism. It needs to be wiped off the face of the planet.
5. You don't tolerate such hateful madness.
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That the Hebrew name I chose right before the Mohel stabbed me with his needle.
Who was the mohel? Was he Orthodox? I doubt you are a real convert.
yes the mohel is Orthodox. If you have been previously circumcised, then you have a cerimonial bris which requires a drop by using a needle.
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"Re: "...AFTER HIS CONVERSION, SAMMY DAVIS HELD A FUNDRAISER FOR THE JEW-HATING BLACK PANTHER PARTY IN 1972, AND ALSO RAISED MONEY FOR THE BLACK JEW-HATING COMMUNIST ANGELA DAVIS..."
JSullivan,
With all due respect, only a real, genuine, self-hating kike Jew from NY or LA would do something like throw a fundraiser in Hollywood for a self-proclaimed Marxist radical Jew-Hater like Angela Davis!
This would indicate to me that Sammy Davis Jr.'s conversion WAS real!
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"Re: "...AFTER HIS CONVERSION, SAMMY DAVIS HELD A FUNDRAISER FOR THE JEW-HATING BLACK PANTHER PARTY IN 1972, AND ALSO RAISED MONEY FOR THE BLACK JEW-HATING COMMUNIST ANGELA DAVIS..."
JSullivan,
With all due respect, only a real, genuine, self-hating kike Jew from NY or LA would do something like throw a fundraiser in Hollywood for a self-proclaimed Marxist radical Jew-Hater like Angela Davis!
This would indicate to me that Sammy Davis Jr.'s conversion WAS real!
Sad but true.
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"Re: "...AFTER HIS CONVERSION, SAMMY DAVIS HELD A FUNDRAISER FOR THE JEW-HATING BLACK PANTHER PARTY IN 1972, AND ALSO RAISED MONEY FOR THE BLACK JEW-HATING COMMUNIST ANGELA DAVIS..."
JSullivan,
With all due respect, only a real, genuine, self-hating kike Jew from NY or LA would do something like throw a fundraiser in Hollywood for a self-proclaimed Marxist radical Jew-Hater like Angela Davis!
This would indicate to me that Sammy Davis Jr.'s conversion WAS real!
Sad but true.
I always thought of Sammy Davis Jr. as an excellent performer however the fact that he had converted was just a ploy to gain acceptance with Jewish audiences that frequented his shows. I had forgot about the black panther and Angela Davis thing. After reading your post I could actually remember seeing it reported on the news.
I think after the fact he tried to distance himself from that however it doesn't change the fact that he thought enough of them to raise funds for them. I guess old Sammy tried to burn the candle at both ends supporting black causes and yet appeasing his white audiences.
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I thought this wasn't a racist site? Whereby the administrator himself is contributing to these profound and unwarranted issues. You should all be ashamed of yourselves and embarrassed to call yourself a Jew. Some of my best friends are Jewish and we are able to live in harmony with respect for one another's religions. If you have forgotton or your minds have been clouded we consider Moses (peace be upon him) as a prophet! By the way I am Muslim and here to discuss not argue........This is what this forum is about correct?!
Some questions for you all to think about.....Why the need to be so hateful? How can you judge a religion in such a hateful way, when for thousands of years the Jews have been persecuted in the most horrific ways and may I add not entirely by Muslims!!!!!
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I find it interesting that a Muslim would ask "why the need to be so hateful?" When that is all you cast out before you to the world, it's what's going to come back to you. With the exception of Irshad Manji (author of The Trouble With Islam), I have yet to hear any Muslim honestly discuss the insanity that is rampant in Islam. Those of us who are not Muslim keep hearing about all the moderate muslims out there whose faith has been "hijacked" - if that is indeed so, why aren't you fighting back against the nuts? Why do you cling to a philosophy that keeps women in the dark ages? Why do you support Islamic theocracies where there is no freedom of speech, or anything else for that matter? How can you all carry on about the lack of "tolerance" on behalf of Christians and Jews, when in Islamic countries it is punishable by law to show the symbols of these faiths, and no churches or synagogues are allowed? Why is the Koran read only in Arabic? Do you honestly think that God ascribes to a particular language? And while we're at it - do you really think that God cares about what women wear? I am a Christian, and I think these crazy regulations can only be the invention of the mind of man. I do not believe that God is so small as to elevate or damn a soul based on what they wear on their heads! And when it comes to women wearing the veil, chador, or hijab, that can only come from the mind of an Arab man, since those items of clothing are clearly Arabic in origin and serve only one purpose - to keep the wearer protected from sand and dirt. As for the dietary prosciptions against pork - I believe in what Jesus said: "a man is not polluted by what goes into his mouth, but by what comes out of it."
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I don't think this thread is a good idea since it does more harm than good. It only infuriates the Muslims which is not good,.
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I don't think this thread is a good idea since it does more harm than good. It only infuriates the Muslims which is not good,.
Since when Muslims are not infuriated?
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I don't think this thread is a good idea since it does more harm than good. It only infuriates the Muslims which is not good,.
Since when Muslims are not infuriated?
You are correct. However the not religous muslims living in the US may get infuriated; normally the non religous muslims hate everyone secretly but it doesn't go past hate but if you infuriate them they may get violent. I have a few muslim acquantances and if they see this they will no longer be an acquantance (not that I really care but I am trying to make them hate jews less by being friendly to them).
The thing many of you don't understand is that a lot of muslims living in western society are not as extreme as those living in muslim countries (meaning they are not true muslims since they don't follow the koran's advice to kill the nonbelievers). Although, don't get me wrong, they still hate jews and christians but they won't act on it and pretend to be friendly on the outside. It is these people you have to be careful about since they can be swayed in either direction at the drop of a hat.
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jdl4ever:
muslims hate Jews and Christians for WHO we are and not for what we DO.
Please look at this muslim forum about JTF.
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=14117
muslims are use the weekness of liberals in Jews and Christians to invade the West. They like groups like Anti-Defamation League and Preysbetarian Church USA.
In this forum we need to show strenght that we reject the message of islam. The great ex-muslim Ali Sina who runs http://www.faithfreedom.org says muslims need to be ridiculed and he believes in the power of ridicule!
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And you have the choice to decide whether or not to take the higher road. So much for being a light among nations.
If your only purpose as an antagonizer is to antagonize, then why would you expect then to react differently. The fact is that many right wing Jews find racism to be funny, just as long as it isn't against them.
Have you seen the Jewish comic, "The Amazing Racist"?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Amazing+Racist&search=Search
I bet you guys find that stuff funny. If it were a non-jew making similar tasteless jokes about Jews, Abe Foxman and the ADL would be on the front page of the New York Times whining accusations of antisemetism. What makes you think you can hold other people accountable for the misdeeds of their race when Jews will not hold their own accountable for misdeeds against others?
Oh!! abe foxman is upset over dennis prager http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df121406.html (http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df121406.html)