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Title: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on June 19, 2008, 04:57:44 PM
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

JTF programm for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust

1       The self-conception of JTF
2       Our view on the human nature
3       Core values of JTF
4       Our time and it's challenges
5       JTF's Security Policy
6       JTF's view on Europe
7       Our society - Citizens, interior organization and security
8       Immigration
9       The free market economy
10     Work
11     The economic system
12     Public finances
13     Welfare
14     Education
15     Culture and media
16     Children and family
17     Environment, energy und mobility
18     Rural regions
19     Varia





1       The self-conception of JTF - Who we are?


The Jewish Task Force is a movement for all righteous people. JTF applies to all humans of all races and classes of the country. Our politic is based on the biblical concept of the human and his responsibility in front of G-d.

 
2       Our view on the human nature
The human is born with free will. He is responible for all his deeds without exception. We admit, that G-d is knowing our future. But he let us our free will. According to our deeds we will be judged by him with perfect justice in this life and in the world to come.

3       Core values of JTF

A. We believe in the G-d of Abraham, Isaak and Jakob as the creator of the world and as the ruler of our world above all human powers.

B. We all believe in the unsophistication and divine inspiration of the Tanach and that G-d gave his choosen people the Jews and only the Jews whole Eretz Israel verbatim inclusive Gaza, whole Jerusalem inclusive the Temple Mount, the Galil, Judea and Samaria as their natural home.

C. We believe that Nazis, Muslimes and Socialists have no place in our countries, because they have proven through the history and are proving every day, that through their wickedness they are a threat to the survival of all of us.

D. We believe in the concept of free choice and the total responsibility of all adult humen for their deeds. and in the concept of reward and punishment in this world and in the world to come.

E. We believe in freedom in it's unsophisticated and natural meaning.

F. We believe in the concept of the traditional family.

G. We believe in a real free market economy.


4       Our time and it's challenges

We have in this time 6 major problems.

A. The fading believe in the bible as the word of our G-d

B. The threat of Islam

C. The threat of Socialism and it's wicked influence of our societies

D. Our addiction to oil in general

E. The problem of foreign aid

F. The threat against our national self-determination


5       JTF's Security Policy


We believe in less laws, but this laws will be enforced. We believe in law and order. Property offenses, like stealing and damaging public or private property are no practical jokes. We will make it clear that there are lines nobody is allowed to cross.

Habitual criminals or political criminals like Socialists, Nazis, Muslimes will be arrested forever or if possible deported to a Muslime country where they belong to.

6       JTF's view on Europe

We believe, that the EU has to be abolished in it's todays form. We are in favour of free trade, transfer of money, merchandise and services, but this has to be done through trade agreements between independent states and not by creating a supranational power. Also the states of Europe should have their own currencies.

7       Our society - Citizens, interior organization and security


We believe in a minimalist interior organization of the gouvernment. But security of the citizen is one main task of every gouvernment.


8       Immigration

Immigration is only healthy for a society if you controll it. Immigration in the welfare system, like we have in all European countries is a cancer to the society. Specially the immigration of people, who belong to evil and wicked cultures, like Islamic culture is threatening the life of all decent people in Europe. We will stop this through following measures instantly:

A. No person, who can not or want not earn his living will be permitted to immigrate into our countries.

B. No person, who belongs to an evil culture, like specially the Islamic culture, will be permitted to immigrate into Europe.

C. We will not make compromises with illegal immigrants which fall under A. or B. We will instruct the police to look for them and if they try to cover up their source country we will intern them in special camps as long they are hiding their origin and don't help us with their repatriation.

D. Every citizen canidate has to live at least 10 years in our countries, before he will get the citizenship. During this time his righteousness will be tested. If he has failed and he has married a regular citizen, both of them will be deported. Nobody will get the citizenship through marriage.

E. We welcome all decent hard working people, no matter if they are different. In our oppinion are counting only the thoughts, the deeds and the words.

9       The free market economy

10     Work

The human is born into this world to work in order to make an imperfect world more perfect.

The human earns with work his living and the living of the family.
Hard righteous work in order to supply the family  is the jewelry and the nobility of the human.

There are different forms of work, but we give to simple occupational activities our full respect and high regard too.

11     The economic system


12     Public finances

The gouvernment has to be frugal. Income tax, tax on property and the most other forms of taxes are not righteous. In our oppinion is an uniform sales tax the only righteous way to collect the money for the gouvernment for it's tasks. We don't believe in higher taxes for some trade goods, because we believe in free choice. Because we want to abolish the whole "social" sector of the gouvernment, this single tax is fully adequate. In addition to that the gouvernment will save a lot of executives because there will be no tax relavant amortizations, incomes, profits and balance sheets. The gouvernment doesn't have to check all of this things, so tens of thousands of officials will be needless. This will save extra money.

13     Welfare

We are opposed to welfare of any kind. Free men and free women have to work for their bread, like the bible told us. Welfare leads to passiveness and lazyness. This again leads to the denial of personal responsibility. A receiver of charity is knowing, that he don't deserve the alms, but a receiver of welfare is thinking rascally, that he has an entitlement on the money of the hard working people. This is obviously wrong and is damaging the G-d given natural order of the society.

The only form of welfare in our believe is charity by the free will of righteous people and religious communities.

Children have to care for their parents, like parents have to care for their children. The family is a common destiny and the members have to care for each other.

14     Education

Education belongs to the church and synagoge communities. The gouvernmental education system is a brainwashing-system for our youth. It has to be abolished.

We encourage people to found private schools.

15     Culture and media

We will end the sytem of parastatal TV and radiostations. The media don't belong to the gouvernment. Specially the GEZ1 in Germany and the bolschewist gouvernmental radio stations like ARD, BR, hr, MDR, NDR, RB, RBB, SR, SWR, WDR will be abolished. We will fire immediately all chairmen and employes and we will auction all property in the public with 1 Euro lowest bid for every economic unit. In this way the robbed and squashed people will have the change to get some of the fancy stuff for their companies and homes. The leadership of the bolschewist GEZ1 will be charged in front of a drumhead court-martial and sentenced to long sententences in a labor camp for the arrogant ruling and squashing the hard working people.

With similiar bolschwist systems in other countries we will act similar.

For the rest we believe in freedom of expression.


16     Children and family
The core of the family is built out of the father, the mother and the children. This is the G-d given natural order of the family.

Homosexuality is an abnomination according to G-d himself. G-d hates this behaviour. This creatures have no place in the world to come.

Because of the clear teachings of the bible we will never acknowledge this "behaviour" of two people in a legal frame.

The matrimony is in our oppinion forever defined as a special relation between a man and a woman.

17     Environment, energy und mobility

18     Rural regions

19     Varia

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Title: Re: [Please make a sticky] Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Zelhar on June 19, 2008, 05:24:01 PM
Ultimately there should be an "ETF" (although this is not a good name because it is already a used acronym) that would represent a European ideological movement inspired by Kahanism.

To be honest, since JTF is religiously motivated I can't see how a similar Organization could ever succeed in secular Europe.

May be more stress should be put on something like the seven point plan.
Title: Re: [Please make a sticky] Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on June 19, 2008, 06:48:16 PM
Ultimately there should be an "ETF" (although this is not a good name because it is already a used acronym) that would represent a European ideological movement inspired by Kahanism.

To be honest, since JTF is religiously motivated I can't see how a similar Organization could ever succeed in secular Europe.

May be more stress should be put on something like the seven point plan.

I think it should always stay one movement with an universial ideology. In this way we prevent heresies. Look what the splinter forums have done.  :-\

We shouldn't be influenced by the anti-religious character of Europe. If they reject God , they are not worth to be rescued.

We make only the general call, then it is their decision.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: 2honest on July 02, 2008, 04:49:21 PM
Thanks for putting this list up Goldfasan.

First of all we need to consider that Europe is not Israel or America.
I think it's necessary to work together with all people of good will, no matter if they are religious or not.
If we say we want to garantee free choice then we should accept if people dont believe in God as long as they dont do any damage.

I dont see why Education should be restricted to religious communities. We certainly would have to change some content of the curriculum but I wouldnt abondon the entire infrastructure of the public education system. Moreover you would have to set up lots of additional communities for educatiuon and also have to monitor their content since we need a guaranted minimum level of education.

I also see problems on the immigration issue. There's not question that we dont want followers of evil ideologies in Europe. But how do you distinguish among righteous and non righteous people?
One may say, ok we dont want muslims flooding into Europe, therefore we dont allow people from Arab/Middle Eastern countries into Europe.
But what do you do with persecuted Christians from the Middle East? You have Assyrian and Coptic Christians being persecuted in Iran and Egypt. From their background they are Arabs.
If Israel from the 1940 onwards didnt allow Jewish Arabs from all over the Middle East into the country then many Jews would have been killed through progroms.
If you allow Arab Christians refuge then every Arab will say I'm a Christian let me in.
How do you make sure people dont pretend something only to get access? Theoretically one can convert back and forth between Chistianity and Islam though it's not very authenic.
So it will be a problem to judge what kind of religious background someone really has.   
 
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Zelhar on July 02, 2008, 05:16:53 PM
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I also see problems on the immigration issue. There's not question that we dont want followers of evil ideologies in Europe. But how do you distinguish among righteous and non righteous people?
One may say, ok we dont want muslims flooding into Europe, therefore we dont allow people from Arab/Middle Eastern countries into Europe.
But what do you do with persecuted Christians from the Middle East? You have Assyrian and Coptic Christians being persecuted in Iran and Egypt. From their background they are Arabs.
If Israel from the 1940 onwards didnt allow Jewish Arabs from all over the Middle East into the country then many Jews would have been killed through progroms.
If you allow Arab Christians refuge then every Arab will say I'm a Christian let me in.
How do you make sure people dont pretend something only to get access? Theoretically one can convert back and forth between Chistianity and Islam though it's not very authenic.
So it will be a problem to judge what kind of religious background someone really has.   

It is usually quite easy to differ between a Muslim Arab to a non Muslim, more so since the Assyrians, the Copts and other non muslims are not even Arab and they speak a different language than Arabic. The Christian Arabs are generally not good people, for example in Israel they fully support the Muslims even though the Muslims hate them too. The Christian Arab Priests and Patriarch and Bishop who support the Nazi PLO and never miss a chance of condemning Israel. Even the Greek priests are anti-Israeli, they have to be since their flock is Arab and very much anti-Jewish.

P.S no such thing as "Jewish Arab" :P
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on July 03, 2008, 03:35:54 AM
Thanks for the points. I will work on it in the evening.  :)
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: sunkumvar on October 15, 2008, 04:21:40 PM
I am a Hindu from India.Please understand the Grand Plan of Islam for Europe.More number of Islamic migrants to Aging Europe & producing unlimited kids with unlimited wifes just to take-over Europe & make Eurabia.European White women produce more kids with white European guys for Europian pride.Don't fight with your boy friends & Husbands for trivial weekend trips & small issues.Happy family for strong Race. American brothers & Sisters Vote for Republicans save the world. 

GOD BLESS INDIA,ISRAEL,USA & EUROPE

DRIVE THOSE MUSLIMS OUT OF OUR LANDS.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Zelhar on October 15, 2008, 05:27:57 PM
Pheasant if you make a major update I advice you to post a comment bellow so we can check it out.

I can think of many remarks about your draft but here is a few to start:

* What about guaranteeing freedom of religion including atheism ?

* Your section about abolishing the public media implies that you want to set up labor camps.

* Reassuring Social-Democrats that they are not in the enemy and that they are not in one cathegory together with Muslims, Communists and Nazis.

Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on October 15, 2008, 05:41:39 PM
Pheasant if you make a major update I advice you to post a comment bellow so we can check it out.

I can think of many remarks about your draft but here is a few to start:

* What about guaranteeing freedom of religion including atheism ?

* Your section about abolishing the public media implies that you want to set up labor camps.

* Reassuring Social-Democrats that they are not in the enemy and that they are not in one cathegory together with Muslims, Communists and Nazis.



First point, you are absolutly right. Tomorrow I will reread it and correct the text if it is able to misunderstood.

Second point, imo the leadership of this bolschewik institutions deserves worse. But not everybody of the employes. But I can start tomorrow a poll on this issue. We are at last in JTF democtratic.

Third point, of course Social Democrats are Socialists light. They are not as bad as the other categories of people. Althrough they are a dangerous threat. I personally hate them. If they like their marxist ideology so much, they should put their money in a pot and launch i.e. a Kibbuz. I would admire them for this. There they can live their leftist utopia. But to force the public school system, compulsory school attendance, affirmative action, etc on all people and to top this crime with high taxation to finance this zoo is behind good and evil.

 :)
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ultra Requete on October 28, 2008, 05:16:36 AM
Come on zelhar yoy know that muslim invaders won't leave voluntary neither the Europe nor Israel. We have been nice guys for last sixty years and now're paying for this.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on October 28, 2008, 06:10:07 AM
I totally forgot about it. Sorry. I will take me some time to correct it.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Zelhar on October 28, 2008, 06:27:56 AM
Come on zelhar yoy know that muslim invaders won't leave voluntary neither the Europe nor Israel. We have been nice guys for last sixty years and now're paying for this.
I am not concerned for the muslims, whom indeed must leave voluntarily or else. I was referring to members of our own societies and also to other minorities (east Asians for example) who aren't attempting to overthrow western civilization.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: SW on December 07, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
The Jewish Task Force needs more members from Europe! I make a lot advertise for JTF. But the people aren't interested. But I try to do everything that people from Europe join the JTF.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on December 23, 2008, 07:02:34 AM
Hello, I am a Dutch non-Jew living in the Hague. Are you related to the Jewish Defence League?
Officially the JDL doesn't exist anymore in the Netherlands but I think they are still active in Amsterdam.
Since I live in the Hague its not very productive joining them.

I think it is important to teach people selfdefence and wake them up to the muslim agenda. Visualisation exercises are important too to get more brain activation.

Is JTF already active in the Netherlands?
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on December 23, 2008, 10:51:49 AM
Hello, I am a Dutch non-Jew living in the Hague. Are you related to the Jewish Defence League?
Officially the JDL doesn't exist anymore in the Netherlands but I think they are still active in Amsterdam.
Since I live in the Hague its not very productive joining them.

I think it is important to teach people selfdefence and wake them up to the muslim agenda. Visualisation exercises are important too to get more brain activation.

Is JTF already active in the Netherlands?

I am not shure if we have any members from the Netherlands. The closest one I know is the moderator Ambiorix of this section. He is I think a Fleming.

 :)

If you want to know about JTF & JDL you can ask Chaim on this weeks Ask JTF on the top of the General discussion section.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: q_q_ on January 06, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

Kahanism for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust
<snip>

That is a very misleading heading!

Since Rabbi kahane never saught to impose himself/kahanism on gentile countries!

JTF does extend kahanism somewhat.. Having an agenda to Save America. I wouldn't call that kahanism though, it's an extention of it, related to the noachide laws no doubt. 

Countries should do what is in their own interest, according to rabbi kahane.  Rabbi Kahane's interest was Israel. He lived there, he was a govt minister there, it's his country. He would have been pleased if all the arabs left israel and came to America.  (perhaps he also said that so that if americans objected, he'd say "well we don't want the arabs anymore than you do!!")

   
The Save America agenda is about righteousness, there are righteous atheists. I don't think G-d is imposed though.. that's not possible.

rabbi kahane never promoted the idea that this is a war with the west against islam.   (though it's true, and undeniable now)   JTF does promote that idea.

rabbi kahane did say that christians should bless israel, not for israel's sake, but for their own sake! As the bible says. He who blesses israel shall be blessed.

rabbi kahane actually felt that it was trying to please the world that was killing israel. So he wanted to cut ties completely! I did read on a good site once that this was his message.. maybe around when he wrote Revolution or Referendum.  And he felt things getting more and more urgent , as the 40 year period was coming to a close. And then he was murdered.

Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on January 06, 2009, 02:04:17 PM
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

Kahanism for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust
<snip>

That is a very misleading heading!

Since Rabbi kahane never saught to impose himself/kahanism on gentile countries!

JTF does extend kahanism somewhat.. Having an agenda to Save America. I wouldn't call that kahanism though, it's an extention of it, related to the noachide laws no doubt. 

Countries should do what is in their own interest, according to rabbi kahane.  Rabbi Kahane's interest was Israel. He lived there, he was a govt minister there, it's his country. He would have been pleased if all the arabs left israel and came to America.  (perhaps he also said that so that if americans objected, he'd say "well we don't want the arabs anymore than you do!!")

   
The Save America agenda is about righteousness, there are righteous atheists. I don't think G-d is imposed though.. that's not possible.

rabbi kahane never promoted the idea that this is a war with the west against islam.   (though it's true, and undeniable now)   JTF does promote that idea.

rabbi kahane did say that christians should bless israel, not for israel's sake, but for their own sake! As the bible says. He who blesses israel shall be blessed.

rabbi kahane actually felt that it was trying to please the world that was killing israel. So he wanted to cut ties completely! I did read on a good site once that this was his message.. maybe around when he wrote Revolution or Referendum.  And he felt things getting more and more urgent , as the 40 year period was coming to a close. And then he was murdered.



I think you are right. As I wrote this I was not completely aware of Kahanist believe.

I will work on this programm again and correct it.

I think that old fashioned liberalism combined with biblical values is the way to go. But this is my believe and not Rabbi Kahane's.

Of course I wish no good person  that Quranimals will settle down near to him. They belong imo generally to Muslim countries.

Perhaps Rabbi Kahane used it as a rethorical figure, but I really can't believe that he encouraged this type of people to come to the USA.

However I have heard some speeches of him and I have to admit, that I like him.

That he focussed on Israel was the right thing. The power of a man is not endless. You have to make priorities.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: q_q_ on January 06, 2009, 02:18:43 PM
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

Kahanism for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust
<snip>

That is a very misleading heading!

Since Rabbi kahane never saught to impose himself/kahanism on gentile countries!

JTF does extend kahanism somewhat.. Having an agenda to Save America. I wouldn't call that kahanism though, it's an extention of it, related to the noachide laws no doubt. 

Countries should do what is in their own interest, according to rabbi kahane.  Rabbi Kahane's interest was Israel. He lived there, he was a govt minister there, it's his country. He would have been pleased if all the arabs left israel and came to America.  (perhaps he also said that so that if americans objected, he'd say "well we don't want the arabs anymore than you do!!")

   
The Save America agenda is about righteousness, there are righteous atheists. I don't think G-d is imposed though.. that's not possible.

rabbi kahane never promoted the idea that this is a war with the west against islam.   (though it's true, and undeniable now)   JTF does promote that idea.

rabbi kahane did say that christians should bless israel, not for israel's sake, but for their own sake! As the bible says. He who blesses israel shall be blessed.

rabbi kahane actually felt that it was trying to please the world that was killing israel. So he wanted to cut ties completely! I did read on a good site once that this was his message.. maybe around when he wrote Revolution or Referendum.  And he felt things getting more and more urgent , as the 40 year period was coming to a close. And then he was murdered.



I think you are right. As I wrote this I was not completely aware of Kahanist believe.

I will work on this programm again and correct it.

I think that old fashioned liberalism combined with biblical values is the way to go. But this is my believe and not Rabbi Kahane's.

Of course I wish no good person  that Quranimals will settle down near to him. They belong imo generally to Muslim countries.

Perhaps Rabbi Kahane used it as a rethorical figure, but I really can't believe that he encouraged this type of people to come to the USA.

However I have heard some speeches of him and I have to admit, that I like him.

That he focussed on Israel was the right thing. The power of a man is not endless. You have to make priorities.

Neither JTF or Kahane encouraged it
It's the question of arabs of israel moving out of israel, to somewhere else.

But if another place is crazy enough to accept them, then better there than Israel.   No sane country should want them though, that's for sure.

Israel is a small country anyway.

The Save America agenda would certainly be against it! It's a JTF thing. It has many kahanist elements.  Righteous gentiles is not something that rabbi kahane set out to create..  Though if they are righteous, that's good.

For example, talking about the holocaust, (speech in skokie) Rabbi Kahane would say that it's not the gentiles that he blames so much, because he doesn't expect anything more from them. it's the jews that did nothing. The jewish organizations.

rabbi kahane limited his agenda alot because israel was in such imminent danger.  He was a great scholar , and could have studied alot more too, but he didn't write that much halachic stuff..and he campaigned alot.  I'm sure he did so because he felt, that if there is no israel then there will be no yeshivot. This was the history he wrote about, that we should learn from. (he still studied in yeshivot for 15 years - he said 15 years I think, ref- his talk to noachides)
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ultra Requete on January 13, 2009, 07:25:11 AM
It's not about Kahanism per se but implemnation of good old Judeo-Christain moral values, Greek estetics and logic and Roman civil law. We must get rid of false enligtement which deified human reason which brought only gulags, guilotines and gass chambers. If Europe is in deep trouble it all becouse french revolution her bastard children nationalism, socalism and secularism it brought. Stoping to siding with enemies of Israel will help too but antisemism is not only western sin. I do think that now all west is cursed.
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims. Koranimals just pretended to be fascist or nazi before 1945, later they worked as British alies and after the 1956 they sided with Soviets but since 1979 are they no longer acting as socialists in their own countries. The western leftists are just pawns the icebreakers of global jihad. Islamists are helping them to overthrow the old order only to replace it by sharia not comunism. They did it in Iran after all. Sending the Arabs from Israel to other countries will not help as they can do damage from abroad as well we do live in globalist world unfortunetly. We must strike the traitors fom within first, than enemies from obroad and repent.   
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: q_q_ on January 13, 2009, 10:48:36 AM
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims.

Rabbi Kahane was only trying to save Israel.  In Israel, it's arabs.

And it's easier to convince people that arabs are a problem, than that a religion is a problem.

Rabbi Kahane spoke in a very practical way. To convince many , and get them to take action. He always went for short answers that worked.

JTF is trying to save Israel and Europe, america, western civilization..   So talks about Islam.. Indeed, it is more accurate to say that it's islam. But certainly at that time, it was easier to convince people that arabs were the problem, after starting all those wars.. Than to say a religion is a problem.  Or militant forms of it.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Zelhar on January 13, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims.

Rabbi Kahane was only trying to save Israel.  In Israel, it's arabs.

And it's easier to convince people that arabs are a problem, than that a religion is a problem.

Rabbi Kahane spoke in a very practical way. To convince many , and get them to take action. He always went for short answers that worked.

JTF is trying to save Israel and Europe, america, western civilization..   So talks about Islam.. Indeed, it is more accurate to say that it's islam. But certainly at that time, it was easier to convince people that arabs were the problem, after starting all those wars.. Than to say a religion is a problem.  Or militant forms of it.

If Israel cleans itself from Arabs but Europe and America become Dar al Islam, it would be a very short-live victory for Israel.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: q_q_ on January 13, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims.

Rabbi Kahane was only trying to save Israel.  In Israel, it's arabs.

And it's easier to convince people that arabs are a problem, than that a religion is a problem.

Rabbi Kahane spoke in a very practical way. To convince many , and get them to take action. He always went for short answers that worked.

JTF is trying to save Israel and Europe, america, western civilization..   So talks about Islam.. Indeed, it is more accurate to say that it's islam. But certainly at that time, it was easier to convince people that arabs were the problem, after starting all those wars.. Than to say a religion is a problem.  Or militant forms of it.

If Israel cleans itself from Arabs but Europe and America become Dar al Islam, it would be a very short-live victory for Israel.

If europe and america become dar al islam, i'm sure israel will be in an even worse situation, if that's even possible.  They'd have made it the heart of dar al islam.

life in europe and america is bad but it's not going to become taken over. The arabs cannot get a majourity.  Arabs/muslims can make life more miserable  but they need numbers in proportion to the area, to be able to take over.

I'm not talking about a child being spoilt by parents.. taking over their lives. (this is how the arabs in europe and america are). I mean taking the keys of the house and running the place.

Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: ProudAndZionist on February 09, 2009, 12:48:26 PM
Very good thread, I showed it to my father who is not Jewish, and he agree with all!
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on February 09, 2009, 01:05:54 PM
Very good thread, I showed it to my father who is not Jewish, and he agree with all!

Thank you ProudZionist.  :)
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: ProudAndZionist on February 09, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
You are welcome!

I think, if I make JTF video maybe in Hungarian once, I have to translate it.  :)
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: P J C on February 17, 2009, 02:25:51 PM
A great thing to put up.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: FreedomFighter08 on February 17, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
Europe needs saving. It's now overrun by Affirmative Action Muslims, Socialists, and Nazis.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on February 18, 2009, 03:20:56 AM
Very good thread, I showed it to my father who is not Jewish, and he agree with all!

Thank you ProudZionist.  :)


Pheasant, this tread is great. You did an excellent job! I just saw it this evening for the first time.

                                                 Shalom & G-d bless you - Dox
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on February 18, 2009, 05:11:14 AM
Thank you Dox  :)
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: D2I on June 23, 2009, 05:33:51 PM
Well theres one problem with Kach idea,  nobody wants the Palestinian muslims(and who can blame anybody for not wanting  them?)  ,Maby we should relocate the Palestinians muslims to  the north pole?  ;D
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: D2I on June 23, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
Europe needs saving. It's now overrun by Affirmative Action Muslims, Socialists, and Nazis.

The nazis are minor nunance now, i would worry more about the communist/leftwingers  who are equally anti-Semitic to the neonazis and they are way larger in numbers and better organized then the neonazis will ever dream of becoming.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Saxon Marauder on July 16, 2009, 03:02:57 PM
Neo-Nazis are gadflies compared to Muslims and leftists. They're more akin to a gang of ruffians with no direction than anything else.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: HerrmantheGerman on September 08, 2009, 10:00:15 AM
Europeans must become aware, that muslims are practicising a demographical jihad
against native europeans

we must invent legal instruments which are constitutional to reduce the number of muslims in europe

some ideas of Rabbi Meir Kahane are useful to reach the goal
But I regard Kahanism as a whole, as a theologically based philosophy especially for jews

In Germany a political movement which would openly promote some ideas of Rabbi Meir Kahane
would soon be a target of the german secret service

What we need is an clandestine EuroKahanism ( a Kahanistic political philosophy, which is adapted
to gentile european needs and for germany ( Eurokahanism which is in accordance with the german constitution
the "grundgesetz")
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Saxon Marauder on October 13, 2009, 10:34:02 AM
Rabbi Meir Kahane's ideals can be inspirational to people and groups who support the idea that each particular branch of the human family tree should also have its own particular nation, which is what Gd intended afterall.

However, such movements can quickly turn into hatefests when approached from a purely secular and materialistic perspective. This is why the guidance of Gd is required, to avoid Marxism and relapses of Nazism. This is one of the reasons why I support the Brit Noah, as this covenantal agreement between Gd and man has both secular and sacred aspects.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: futuramark on December 17, 2009, 07:24:39 AM
how do you distinguish among righteous and non righteous people?

answer:
1. we offer them pork during ramadan lol
2. we offend muhammed and see if we get a violent reaction.
and so forth...
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Hyades on May 17, 2010, 07:48:24 AM
Europeans must become aware, that muslims are practicising a demographical jihad
against native europeans

we must invent legal instruments which are constitutional to reduce the number of muslims in europe

some ideas of Rabbi Meir Kahane are useful to reach the goal
But I regard Kahanism as a whole, as a theologically based philosophy especially for jews

In Germany a political movement which would openly promote some ideas of Rabbi Meir Kahane
would soon be a target of the german secret service

What we need is an clandestine EuroKahanism ( a Kahanistic political philosophy, which is adapted
to gentile european needs and for germany ( Eurokahanism which is in accordance with the german constitution
the "grundgesetz")

If you want to reduce the number of Muslims in europe, it is VERY easy. But the liberal politicians do not want to practice that. It is known that Muslims' part of social welfare receivers is highest under all people - including natives, while East Asians almost take nothing from the social welfare system.
So what to do? Those who want to marry have a good choice in Europe and do not need to import brides or husbands, right? Let's not forget that an UNBELIEVABLE NUMBER OF 84% OF MUSLIM IMMIGRATION IS RIGHT INTO SOCIAL WELFARE FROM THE THE VERY 1ST DAY!!!!! Cutting this would mean there was one pulling factor being eliminated. So unemployed immigrants could not import further unemployed family and producing further future unemployed. Muslim immigration alone costs the UNBELIEVABLE SUM OF 120 BILLION Euros every single year. Tax money that is lost!
Health care: Did you know that Germany has treaties with Turkey, Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt and Morocco about health care for relatives in those countries? No? Yes it is true. Even an unemployed social welfare receiver from Tunisia can take his 1st lineage of family members into a "family health care" even if they do not live in Germany. For doctors in those countries it is always a good business to make inflated bills and share the money 50:50 with the patient. Now imagine if you as a German citizen get ill in Egypt or Turkey and have no travel health insurance... Either you pay the bill or you die! Cutting this health care would reduce somewhat more the image of the super rich country that even feeds others thus may no longer be as attractive for muzzies from those countries.
Immigrants who lose their job and do not find a new one within 3 months should be expelled. This would hit almost exclusively Muslims. They can also chose to leave the country immediately and get the unemployment money for 3 months in advance cash so they can use it to have a base in their home country. A good push factor for some of them.
No more social welfare for for youth who leave school without diploma. Immigrants leaving school early and without diploma and havin no job get expelled. If their parents are unemployed they are expelled too.
Immigration gets restricted to high qualifications - mainly from East Asia or India instead of Muslim countries. Some intellectual Muslims with good skills and no exaggerated religiousness might get granted entry also.
No social welfare moms. Women who bear children in order to have social welfare as an income lose their right on help. This would cut harshly the fertility rate of Muslim women!
No citizenship for immigrants who do not have a proper income and schooling. No immigration of people >35 years (with some exceptions for spacial skills).
Now imagine the billions saved and taxes cut. We would have enough money to help the ill people who need halp and there would be enough money for the tax payers to invest for their retirement. And best of all: The number of Muslims would be cut from today's 4 million to only about 1 million.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: PetarMKD on June 01, 2010, 06:59:44 PM

It is usually quite easy to differ between a Muslim Arab to a non Muslim, more so since the Assyrians, the Copts and other non muslims are not even Arab and they speak a different language than Arabic. The Christian Arabs are generally not good people, for example in Israel they fully support the Muslims even though the Muslims hate them too. The Christian Arab Priests and Patriarch and Bishop who support the Nazi PLO and never miss a chance of condemning Israel. Even the Greek priests are anti-Israeli, they have to be since their flock is Arab and very much anti-Jewish.

P.S no such thing as "Jewish Arab" :P

Hehe you are right about that bolded part 100%, they act like Arabs too. If you remember there were some greeks on that Turkish ship which is quite surprising since they normally hate each others guts.

Btw the picture in your signature is absolute truth, that's how they fight their wars so later they can complain to the liberal Euro pussies how the army kills poor civilians, and they always intentionally jeopardize their own women and children. We fought them here in Macedonia and that is how they always behave.

I registered on this forum just to say thanks to Israel for protecting Europe which is blind to the enormous treat and to the fact that Israel is protecting it. I admire your unity and hard work to protect what is rightfully yours. Keep up the good work.
 
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2010, 07:12:29 PM
Thanks Petar!
I wish there would be more like you, with the vision and courage to speak up and not 'sit ideally by your brother blood'!
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Zelhar on June 01, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
Thank you PetarMKD !
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Moralist on August 20, 2010, 02:16:20 AM
Europe needs saving. It's now overrun by Affirmative Action Muslims, Socialists, and Nazis.

The nazis are minor nunance now, i would worry more about the communist/leftwingers  who are equally anti-Semitic to the neonazis and they are way larger in numbers and better organized then the neonazis will ever dream of becoming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germans_%28communist_current%29

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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Antigerman1.jpg/400px-Antigerman1.jpg)Anti-German (German: Antideutsch) is the generic name applied to a variety of theoretical and political tendencies within the radical, communist left mainly in Germany and Austria. The Anti-Germans emerged as a distinct political tendency as a response to the rise in racist attacks and nationalism in the wake of the German reunification. "German" should be understood in the sense of criticism of ideology.

The term does not generally refer to any one specific radical left tendency, but rather a wide variety of distinct currents, ranging from the so-called "hardcore" Anti-Germans such as the quarterly journal Bahamas to "softcore" Anti-Germans such as the circle around the radical left journal Phase 2, originally conceived as a federal discussion bulletin for the Antifa movement in the wake of the dissolution of the Antifaschistische Aktion/Bundesweite Organisation(Antifascist Action/nationwide Organisation). Some Anti-German ideas have also exerted an influence on the broader radical leftist milieu, such as the monthly magazine konkret and the weekly newspaper Jungle World.

Furthermore, the most common practical and theoretical position commonly associated with the anti-Germans, that of solidarity with the state of Israel, is not a position exclusive to the Anti-Germans. The groups Krisis and Exit around the publicist Robert Kurz,[1] as well as many Antifa groups in Germany also hold Israel-sympathetic opinions, while rejecting any identification with the Anti-German current.

The basic opinions of the Anti-Germans include support for the state of Israel and - although this is only true for some - American foreign policy such as the 2003 invasion of Iraq, a critique of mainstream left anti-capitalist views, which are thought to be simplistic and structurally anti-Semitic,[2] and a critique of anti-Semitism, which is considered to be deeply rooted in German cultural history. The Critical Theory of Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer is often cited by Anti-German theorists along with the original Marxist.[3] In 2006 Deutsche Welle estimated the number of Anti-Germans at between 500 and 3,000.[4]
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ulli on August 20, 2010, 08:06:39 AM
Europe needs saving. It's now overrun by Affirmative Action Muslims, Socialists, and Nazis.

The nazis are minor nunance now, i would worry more about the communist/leftwingers  who are equally anti-Semitic to the neonazis and they are way larger in numbers and better organized then the neonazis will ever dream of becoming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germans_%28communist_current%29

Quote
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Antigerman1.jpg/400px-Antigerman1.jpg)Anti-German (German: Antideutsch) is the generic name applied to a variety of theoretical and political tendencies within the radical, communist left mainly in Germany and Austria. The Anti-Germans emerged as a distinct political tendency as a response to the rise in racist attacks and nationalism in the wake of the German reunification. "German" should be understood in the sense of criticism of ideology.

The term does not generally refer to any one specific radical left tendency, but rather a wide variety of distinct currents, ranging from the so-called "hardcore" Anti-Germans such as the quarterly journal Bahamas to "softcore" Anti-Germans such as the circle around the radical left journal Phase 2, originally conceived as a federal discussion bulletin for the Antifa movement in the wake of the dissolution of the Antifaschistische Aktion/Bundesweite Organisation(Antifascist Action/nationwide Organisation). Some Anti-German ideas have also exerted an influence on the broader radical leftist milieu, such as the monthly magazine konkret and the weekly newspaper Jungle World.

Furthermore, the most common practical and theoretical position commonly associated with the anti-Germans, that of solidarity with the state of Israel, is not a position exclusive to the Anti-Germans. The groups Krisis and Exit around the publicist Robert Kurz,[1] as well as many Antifa groups in Germany also hold Israel-sympathetic opinions, while rejecting any identification with the Anti-German current.

The basic opinions of the Anti-Germans include support for the state of Israel and - although this is only true for some - American foreign policy such as the 2003 invasion of Iraq, a critique of mainstream left anti-capitalist views, which are thought to be simplistic and structurally anti-Semitic,[2] and a critique of anti-Semitism, which is considered to be deeply rooted in German cultural history. The Critical Theory of Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer is often cited by Anti-German theorists along with the original Marxist.[3] In 2006 Deutsche Welle estimated the number of Anti-Germans at between 500 and 3,000.[4]

Actually I like this group. But I highly doubt, that they are communists. Plus they are a very small miniority. If all "leftists" would be like this guys, we all would love leftism.  :)
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Moralist on August 23, 2010, 08:49:50 AM
A related group in the Netherlands:

http://www.doorbraak.eu/gebladerte/30091v01.htm

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De Fabel van de illegaal 62, January/February 2004

Author: Eric Krebbers


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Not coming to the rescue of multiculturalism

It is by now "politically correct" in the Netherlands to be against multiculturalism. Everyday politicians and opinion leaders are bashing the "the completely failed multicultural society", as they call it. They want to force refugees and immigrants to "integrate", and internalize "the Dutch language and culture". This attack is clearly motivated by racism. But should the radical Left defend multiculturalism because of that?

A few years ago the multicultural ideology was still central to mainstream politics. Policy makers, opinion makers, the professional middleclass and worried civilians could almost all be considered multiculturalists. Central to multiculturalism is the "recognition of the cultural diversity" of the Netherlands. Other "national cultures" should be respected as much as possible. And different habits and traditions of immigrants should be seen in their "cultural context" and therefore not be condemned to quickly. On the pretext of "unity in diversity" immigrants should be given their own place in society in order to save "their own culture". Also measures should be taken to help immigrants socially and economically. In this context there's sometimes also talk of the problem of Dutch racism. The positive and optimistic image of multiculturalism, back then, depended for a large part on its firm disapproval of racism and the organized extreme Right.

Imaginations

When we look at society, our political vision mostly determines what we see. The radical Left, of course, first and foremost sees capitalist, patriarchal and racist power relations that have to be fought. Multiculturalists, on the other hand, mostly want to see a lot of "national cultures" that differ a lot from each other, and which should all be saved if possible. Thinking in "cultures" and their accessory "peoples" is a nationalist political choice. Like nationalism, multiculturalism also suppresses the awareness of power relations within these alleged "peoples" and the oppressive practices within these alleged "national cultures". Actually "peoples" and "national cultures" are nothing but imaginations promoted by people in power who want to undermine the Left struggle against oppression. "National cultures" and the multicultural society only exist as a product of all continuous activities aimed at "saving" those "cultures".

Especially immigrants and refugees are being addressed in connection with their "national culture". They are supposed to see themselves in the first place as representatives of some or another "national culture". They should all hand over that one special "national culture" - and not some other - to their children, for instance by special lessons in "their own language". All immigrant and refugee behavior is supposedly guided by "their culture". In this way the "Moroccan culture" supposedly determines the behavior of boys whose parents or even grandparents have left Morocco long ago. Also, immigrants and refugees are supposed to especially aid members of "their own cultural community". Even those immigrants and refugees, who regarded the "culture" in "their own country" to be too restrictive and fled to the Netherlands to escape it, are here being glued to "their culture" again by multiculturalists. For the government always recognizes and sponsors the most conservative immigrant and refugee organizations which supposedly best represent "the original cultures" of the countries of origin. Organizations based on more progressive ideas would supposedly not be "authentically" enough "culturally". In that way the government affirms the unequal power relations within immigrant and refugee communities and weakens the position of workers, women and minorities. The government for instance regularly meets with imams and mosque leaders as if they represent all immigrants and refugees from Turkey and Morocco.

New Right

Although their protests against the extreme Right are mostly sincere, multiculturalists do share with the extreme Right the central idea that all people are determined by and belong in "their own culture". The new Right current within the extreme Right movement even made "culture" their central concept. The new Right and multiculturalism both see the world first and foremost as covered with a colorful blanket of numerous "unique cultures". "We must strive for the conservation of a most diversified multicultural world as possible, accepting the absolute equality of all cultures", says Luc Pauwels, the most important ideologist of the Flemish extreme Right party Vlaams Blok.(1) "In the multicultural vision there's no room for universal human rights like those of the French revolutionaries. Instead, it should be recognized that people are predestined - by historical, geographical and many other factors – to live in different places, to uphold their own traditions and rituals, and to use different moral codes and languages."

The most important difference with the multiculturalists is that, although Pauwels favors a multicultural world, he is against multicultural states. "No roots without land, no culture without roots. Every identity is threatened with assimilation and disappearance if one separates it from territoriality", Pauwels thinks. And different "cultures" next to each other in one country would automatically lead to civil war or dictatorship, according to Pauwels. Most multiculturalists, on the other hand, are in favor of a dialogue between the alleged "national cultures" in one country, and against Pauwel's apartheid or separatism. Also, the new Right wants to promote "the own culture", but because of "the right to diversity" it does not want to force it upon other "peoples". According to Pauwels that would be "cultural imperialism". Multiculturalists on the other hand very seldom explicitly refer to their "own national culture". But through their one sided and paternalistic focus on "ethnic minorities" and "their cultures" they implicitly define themselves as the starting point, as normal.

Spring rolls

Also because they could count on the warm support of the conservative elites of immigrant communities, multiculturalism remained an interesting ideology for the Dutch political elite for a long time. Multiculturalism creates separate communities centered around different "cultures". That resembles the model that dominated Dutch society since the beginning of the twentieth century and which was very effective against radical resistance. The working class was in this way kept divided and each part was ruled by the elites of their own community (catholic, protestant, socialist and other). That made solidarity difficult and organizing counter power from below virtually impossible.

Multiculturalism also comes in very handy when advertising the exploitation and exclusion of worker migrants. Multiculturalists always stress how much worker migrants and refugees add to "our" economy and "the cultural live". They tell moving stories of hardworking Turks cleaning "our" toilets, of artistic Africans crafting such beautiful art for "us" and the Vietnamese spoiling "us" with their spring rolls. Multiculturalism likes to ascribe certain "cultural" capacities to every population group. Much less interested are the multiculturalists in immigrants or refugees who cannot, or who are not allowed to, make themselves useful for "our economy". These people shouldn't count on support from the multiculturalists when they are for instance threatened with deportation. Although multiculturalists do protest against extreme Right racism, they never do so against the racism of the state or the deportation machine.

Assimilation

By the end of the nineties the growing racism and the dominance of the Right led to the elite dropping multiculturalism. The multicultural nationalism that promotes "every group its own culture" got traded in for a conservative nationalism with its forced assimilation policy. Immigrants and refugees are being pressured more and more to embrace conservative and capitalist norms and values considered to be "the Dutch culture". This development occurs simultaneously with the need at the top to find a black sheep to focus on in these times of economic problems.

The current Right criticism on the multicultural society always contains hardly hidden racism against immigrants, refugees and Islam. Although the radical left also has a lot of criticism on multiculturalism, it is not very wise to start attacking it right now. It is better to fight racism, without defending multiculturalism. For the radical Left should not get involved in the thinking in terms of "cultures". Or be seduced to classifying humans in "cultures" or "peoples". Or pleading for dialogues between "cultures", whatever that may be. Nor striving for "cultural conservation". But also not for a "cosmopolitan culture". Instead of looking at "cultures" for the causes of all kinds of injustices, the radical Left should simply focus its attention on unequal power relations and fight them.

Note

1. "Een spook dwaalt door Europa...", Luc Pauwels. In: TeKos 95, 1999.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: SHALOM2 on February 26, 2011, 11:12:51 AM
I am an infidel or if you prefer a volunteer with the EDL in the UK. The people of Europe are sick to death of this cancerous ideology called islam. I say the people of Europe and not the politicians, as they are as dangerous as the cancer we wish to repel. We in the EDL are called right wing fascists, lol, which couldn't be further from the truth. Our volunteers are ordinary working class citizens demonstrating peacefully to protect our childrens heritage. The Jewish EDL is of the same principles. Our politicians being either Christian or Jewish are the biggest danger to this country. Greed and corruption knows no bounds. We have over a thousand mosques in our tiny island, and over 100 sharia courts. All of this cancer must be removed. As the Prime Minister of Turkey said, THE MOSQUES ARE OUR BARRACKS, THE DOME OUR HELMETS AND THE MINARETS OUR SPEARS. If this isn't a declaration of a take over, then I am a monkeys uncle. Islam must be banned from the West along with the war manual, the koran.
NO SURRENDER-AND LONG LIVE ISRAEL. SHALOM.
 
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Yaakov Mendel on June 20, 2011, 09:01:15 AM

I have to say I do not like this thread very much. There are people with different opinions and backgrounds in JTF and this list of principles does not necessarily reflect everyone's views. New members who are not familiar with JTF yet may be deterred by this kind of declaration if they view it as leaving no room for debate.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: 1pen2books on January 23, 2012, 05:52:00 PM
Up to the moment and reading te history of Europe or of the whole world I have never seen a single case where a dramatical change of the social and political situation was changed by peaceful means.
If one wants realistic and clear changes, it is necessary the use of violence.
Concentrating our atention on the Islam-problem, what I said above becomes logical.
In fact, Islam wouldn´t be able to keep on invading Europe if leftist politicians and  parties, some help organizations, school and universities teachers and neighbours asociations in towns were ....say....controled in a way or the other.
Violence is necesssary.
Title: Supporting other Nationalists
Post by: Right-Nationalist on June 30, 2012, 07:09:05 PM
This is vital for Zionists. Together, nationalists can secure their homelands for their native ethnic groups and no one else to prevent demographic threats.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Khan Krum on July 08, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
I do encourage the spread of nationalist movements!
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Burt on July 20, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
Wow to that list of core values. I know I am here with like minded people!
Title: Re: [Please make a sticky] Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Super Mentalita on February 01, 2013, 04:23:37 PM
I think it should always stay one movement with an universial ideology. In this way we prevent heresies. Look what the splinter forums have done.  :-\

We shouldn't be influenced by the anti-religious character of Europe. If they reject God , they are not worth to be rescued.

We make only the general call, then it is their decision.

I'am European and i believe in God. I don't go to church alot and i think religion is not that important (it's not important for me). I support this forum/organisation because i support the free world, and i will do whatever i can to stop Islam taking over Europe, America, Israel etc...
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Super Mentalita on February 01, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
I am an infidel or if you prefer a volunteer with the EDL in the UK. The people of Europe are sick to death of this cancerous ideology called islam. I say the people of Europe and not the politicians, as they are as dangerous as the cancer we wish to repel. We in the EDL are called right wing fascists, lol, which couldn't be further from the truth. Our volunteers are ordinary working class citizens demonstrating peacefully to protect our childrens heritage. The Jewish EDL is of the same principles. Our politicians being either Christian or Jewish are the biggest danger to this country. Greed and corruption knows no bounds. We have over a thousand mosques in our tiny island, and over 100 sharia courts. All of this cancer must be removed. As the Prime Minister of Turkey said, THE MOSQUES ARE OUR BARRACKS, THE DOME OUR HELMETS AND THE MINARETS OUR SPEARS. If this isn't a declaration of a take over, then I am a monkeys uncle. Islam must be banned from the West along with the war manual, the koran.
NO SURRENDER-AND LONG LIVE ISRAEL. SHALOM.

Amen my friend from the EDL! Good to see people inside the EDL joining the JTF like i do! No surrender!
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: weelittlefishy on December 04, 2013, 01:12:11 PM
If the US would enforce its still-standing obscenity laws, our media wouldn't be nearly as degenerate as it is. Hardcore pornography is still illegal that I know of, but nobody cares to enforce the law.

"Culture" of the last 50ish years has been one of piecemeal breakdown of standards, laws, behavior, and the family. Yes, this is 100% Communism and I don't think it a coincidence that this has spread like wildfire since the dawn of television, either.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: brenden on December 04, 2013, 01:57:19 PM
i have 2 problems with your post :
1. this is the forum for European countries so no american problems.
2. the culture of the last 50 year in america can be called kapitalism consumerism but never never communism
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Israel Chai on December 04, 2013, 02:21:54 PM
i have 2 problems with your post :
1. this is the forum for European countries so no american problems.
2. the culture of the last 50 year in america can be called kapitalism consumerism but never never communism

There is socialism and oligarchy in America, not capitalism.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: weelittlefishy on December 04, 2013, 03:54:19 PM
When I say culture, I mean popular culture and post-modern moral values. You're mistaking that for consumerism, which I also have a problem with.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 04, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
i have 2 problems with your post :
1. this is the forum for European countries so no american problems.
2. the culture of the last 50 year in america can be called kapitalism consumerism but never never communism
Your problems, are our problems... Your problems spread to us, and when we get sick of it, we have to save ourselves and your asses too!
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: brenden on December 05, 2013, 05:42:59 AM
im sorry the whole world is sick of America playing world police. I think the Americans could help a lot of people by just keeping those troops home, and keeping the CIA home
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 05, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
im sorry the whole world is sick of America playing world police. I think the Americans could help a lot of people by just keeping those troops home, and keeping the CIA home
Maybe we should all come home. I don't know why we help your countries anyway, after what most of your countries did to our founders ancestors...  We should just let you guys burn!
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: brenden on December 05, 2013, 01:23:55 PM
haha i think the whole world knows that the USA is on its way down and its not comming back up again. Even the Chinese economie is bigger then yours at the moment But the EU is just beginning, the EU is the biggest economie hase the biggest militairy and whe are working on becomming one country
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Israel Chai on December 05, 2013, 07:14:30 PM
im sorry the whole world is sick of America playing world police. I think the Americans could help a lot of people by just keeping those troops home, and keeping the CIA home

North Korea for sure is...
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Israel Chai on December 15, 2013, 06:18:32 AM
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Haha i think the whole world knows that the USA is on its way down and its not coming back up again. Even the Chinese economy is bigger then yours at the moment, but the EU is just beginning, the EU is the biggest economy has the biggest military, and we are working on becoming one country.

Learn how to spell, troll.

Also, Europe is dead broke, and is going more bankrupt by the second.

Why is this troll still here?
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: brenden on December 25, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
i'm just starting a discussion because i'm curious what your arguments are, why is that wrong?
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Israel Chai on December 25, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
i'm just starting a discussion because i'm curious what your arguments are, why is that wrong?

You seem to be far more concerned with writing what you think than reading what we do.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Cuddles on February 24, 2016, 05:56:13 AM
Europeans want their own countries for European (White) people who are Christians and no other faith. We have our lands like The Muslims have theirs.
Title: Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
Post by: Cuddles on February 24, 2016, 07:06:47 AM
Jews are free to live as they choose and I've no qualms about what they do in their own land. I don't want them to have any influence in my country because they are doing what's in their interest only. Example of sending Arabs out of their lands and helping them to settle in Europe like that Barbara Lerner Spectre is trying to do.

I'm against that completely and don't want her having any say in European Christian Lands, like I shouldn't have any say in a Jewish country. I don't want any non-Whites in Europe or the Anglosphere, I don't hate them but they are foreign aliens who are an unnecessary problem for my People.

We all have our own problems and interests, I want cordial relations but nothing more than that.