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The Worldwide Crisis of Islam => The Truth About Islam => Topic started by: davkakach on November 27, 2006, 10:34:56 AM
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Shi'ites burn six Sunnis alive in Iraq
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1162378475493&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Revenge-seeking Shi'ite militiamen grabbed six Sunnis as they left Friday worship services, doused them with kerosene and burned them alive near an Iraqi army post. The soldiers did not intervene, police Capt. Jamil Hussein said.
The savage revenge attack for Thursday's slaughter of 215 people in the Shi'ite Sadr City slum occurred as members of the Mahdi Army militia burned four mosques and several homes while killing 12 other Sunni residents in the once-mixed Hurriyah neighborhood, Hussein said.
Gunmen loyal to radical anti-American Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr began taking over the neighborhood this summer and a majority of its Sunni residents already had fled.
The militiamen attacked and burned the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques in the rampage that did not end until American forces arrived, Hussein said.
The gunmen attack with rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine guns and automatic rifles. Residents said militiamen prevented them from entering burned structures to take away the bodies of victims.
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something new ;)
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This is all Israel's fault!
I don't know yet exactly how, but I'm sure it is.
After all, isn't everything?
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Wow, what a model democracy Iraq has become...
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In actual fact, Islam is a cult; a cult of death and war. Iraq will never be a democracy because Islam and Islamic culture will not let it because Islamic Law will be supreme to any national law. I feel that America should just say deleted it and MOVE OUT OF IRAQ AND INTO IRAN. Devastate those Muslim Nazi bastards and totally withdraw and let Muslims fight Muslims as they did in in the Iran/Iraq war. Muslims massacring Muslims are a service to humanity like Communists killing Communists. As America falls thanks to Liberalism and its open borders, Europe is exactly the same and will be totally finished when the EU opens its doors to Turkey. Take out Iran and let the Muslims fight Muslims....and we will have peace here and sit back and watch it on CNN and hear, as per usual.....the Jews did it.
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Marzutra writes: "...Devastate those Muslim Nazi bastards and totally withdraw and let Muslims fight Muslims..."
MARZUTRA, IT APPEARS YOU HAVE PRESENTED US WITH THE BASIS FOR "A JUST AND LASTING PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST"!
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Marzutra writes: "...Devastate those Muslim Nazi bastards and totally withdraw and let Muslims fight Muslims..."
MARZUTRA, IT APPEARS YOU HAVE PRESENTED US WITH THE BASIS FOR "A JUST AND LASTING PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST"!
I am interested in peace here in the West and Israel. So long as Muslims are massacring Muslims ..there should be peace. I am not interested whatsoever with Muslims killing Muslims although it would make fabulous contribution to televised entertainment and humanity instead of the continual dumbing down of professional gutter sports...and to the establishment of a peaceful world.... I might also add Communist/Communist or Muslim/Communist conflicts would also be great viewing pleasure and also contributory to a peaceful World.
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That is sad.....btw shias and sunnis who do you think is closer to their religion(I mean which of them are following islam correctly according to its teachings).....
don't tell me islam is a cult....i've heard your opinion on what it is...say something new ;D
Sunnis
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That is sad.....btw shias and sunnis who do you think is closer to their religion(I mean which of them are following islam correctly according to its teachings).....
Wahabbi Islam is perhaps the most accurate following according to Mohammed's words and deeds.....
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I think its great when Muslim pigs are killing each other does anyone else agrees with that?
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I think its great when Muslim pigs are killing each other does anyone else agrees with that?
It is sad to say, without Islam these people would probably be respectable individuals because the semitic mind is capable....but since Islam has infected them like a digressive mental plague like communism, I fear, is no other alternative to your position MasterWolf1.
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*encourages
why don't we talk about something positive for a change.....like....uh it takes time to ponder on a positive issue...yet i can list many negative ones in less then a second..
ooo i got one....WHY JEWS ARE SO GREAT! I'm sure thats easy for you....
(im being serious, not sarcastic, so any insulting replies are not needed)
Hello Sarah, Since the topic of this thread is "The Truth About Islam" I think it will be hard for us to find anything positive to place forward unless we were to advocate the "politically correct" re-written debased perception of Historical fact. Perhaps some of the thoughts as expressed might be seen in a positive light in the end for World Peace. Then again....only time will tell. Perhaps we should start a thread as you suggest but self glout is never good I don't think...
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This is nothing new with the muslims.
In the muslim Pakistan Sindhi muslims and Mohajir muslims fight with each other. Sindhis are native Pakistanis and Mohajirs are immigrants from India during the 1947-48 partisian war. In Bangladesh which used to be East Pakistan, the West Pakistanis (which is the present present Pakistan) started killing their own fellow muslims.
Muslims, after killing other Kafirs would always kill each other.
Even in Gaza Hamas and Fatah fight with each other.
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I'M CERTAIN THAT THERE MUST BE SOME SORT OF MISUNDERSTANDING!
ISLAM MEANS PEACE!
PERHAPS THE SUNNYS ASKED THE SHI'ITS TO LIGHT THEIR CIGARETTES, AND WERE WEARING CLOTHING WHICH HADN'T BEEN TREATED WITH SCOTCH BRAND FLAMEPROOFING?
OR; MAYBE THEY WERE SMOKING CRACK LIKE RICHARD PRYOR?
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I'M CERTAIN THAT THERE MUST BE SOME SORT OF MISUNDERSTANDING!
ISLAM MEANS PEACE!
PERHAPS THE SUNNYS ASKED THE SHI'ITS TO LIGHT THEIR CIGARETTES, AND WERE WEARING CLOTHING WHICH HADN'T BEEN TREATED WITH SCOTCH BRAND FLAMEPROOFING?
OR; MAYBE THEY WERE SMOKING CRACK LIKE RICHARD PRYOR?
Yup, that's it. ;) After all, doesn't it say in the Qur'an, "there is no compulsion in religion"? ::)
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I think its great when Muslim pigs are killing each other does anyone else agrees with that?
It is sad to say, without Islam these people would probably be respectable individuals because the semitic mind is capable....but since Islam has infected them like a digressive mental plague like communism, I fear, is no other alternative to your position MasterWolf1.
I do not like to see people suffering.
Without Islam, the "inadequate pyramid selling scheme which is psychosexually oriented around paedophilia" http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=1442.msg9606#msg9606, these countries would be a lot more progressive. Islam gives encouragement to man's lower instincts and uses them to spread the great pryamid scheme; the religion which gives a small taste of peace but never satisfies.
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Positive with Muslims? it is impossible with Muslim to get along with anyone let them kill each other and butcher each other fine the less Islamic animals on Earth the better it is for infidels they are barbarians is this the "Democray for islam" Part?
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I think its great when Muslim pigs are killing each other does anyone else agrees with that?
what a stupid question when you're on a jewish website that you know opposes islam....there thats answered your question.
Stop encouraged others to speak words of hatred against people.....and yh HAHA it struck me....why do you discuss "islam being evil and wrong" among yourselves when you already know it is...is it an issue you're trying to teach people or an interesting topic for a normal conversation?
lets share ideas on how to kill muslims, look an IMAM ate a muslim girl, OMG GRANNY IS A SUICIDE BOMBER...la da la de da....
get the point>? 8)
Um let me know when you take your meds and prove Islam is not a death cult of darkness and nightmares. The whole cult doesn't matter Sunni or Shia they are all sick and demented. Get the point?... Islam will never be civilized cause they are barbaric low animals
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How about this for your mood?
Allah squeels
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Hello Sarah, I wanted to share something with you that you can fact check as you are going along with either your Islamic teacher and too your Quraan. I do think you will find it most fascinating and very much useful.
Robert Spencer's "Politically Incorrect Guide To Isalm": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Ke7nnedWM
Too from your project on "Palestine". If I lived in Cumberland County, which is not a country, not a functioning State, nor anything of with any such quality to deem it a Nation: No government, no foundational charter, no civil infrastructure, no leader, no currency, natonal culture/religion/historical ties, how could "Cumberlandinian" be a "Nationality"? I hope you can recognize the direct similarities to another purely fabricated farse?
Perhaps you should copy and paste these for your teacher to watch, learn and comment on for you. Perhaps she might learn the ability to separate Fact from Fantasy, Truth from Lies and Correct from Incorrect.
1. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-680.ram
2. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-681.ram
3. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1603.ram
4. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1604.ram
Inside are all the facts, documentation, dates, records, interviews and source material one needs to achieve a very good mark and knowledge of "Palestine" and the Israeli/Arab continuing farsical conflict that should have been settled in 1922-23 if not 1967 emphatically.
Enjoy..
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how old are you sarah?
I believe that both are wrong
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Why do I have a tough time with the Former part of this Muslim a true Former Muslim will tell the truth of this gutter evil cult. Islam is the world's cancer. The only thing barbaric is Islam on a world wide rampage killing anyone and everyone that does not believe in the death book Koran.
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i didn't call myself FORMER MUSLIM....it was yacoz ben rash........
THE BLOODY THING IS YOU WANT ME TO TELL THE TRUTH OF SOMETHING I AM NOT TAUGHT OR LED TO BELIEVE IS BAD....I AM A WELL MANNERED PERSON THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY WITH MUSLIMS GIVING CHARITY AT EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE AND RESPECTING THE WORLD AND ALL THE NON MUSLIMS.....WE BELIEVE THE MUSLIMS THAT ARE KILLING ARE NOT MUSLIMS AT ALL AND ARE EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF G-d....THE QURAN HAS BEEN INTERPRETED AND TRANSLATED IN SOME WACKY WAY OF YOURS TO MAKE IT BAD......BEING A MUSLIM HAS MADE ME STRONG IN THE SENSE THAT I WANT TO BE SOMEONE...I WANT TO GET OUT THERE AND DO GOOD NOT FOR ANYONE BUT G-d...BECAUSE G-d CREATED US AND WE WILL RETURN TO HIM AND NO MATTER WHAT I BELIEVED IN BEING GOOD WON'T MAKE HIM CROSS....o.k :D
THE MAFIA ARE EVIL....YA...U DO HAVE A TOUGH TIME ;)
Oh, have you the wool over your eyes. The JTF website has a link to a MUSLIM website for the most accurate, MUSLIM translations. So whether you interpret them differently or not isn't the question. The questions are that they can be translated and acted out into deeds expressed and PRACTICED by Mohammed himself. I hope your Muslims do stand up to their brethren instead of sitting idly by because it will not be very pretty when Ol-Whitey wakes up.......
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no it won't
You are very correct......it won't.
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yh so what do i do.................
Read, learn and check facts and when you have found something that you have been taught to be wrong....tell them or tell others that what you have learned is wrong. Let me give you an example:
When I was in school, and too yourself today, I had been taught that Hitler started World War 2 when he invaded Poland. That is factually incorrect although I had been taught that when I was in school as "fact". Reading and fact checking I had learned that there were two things that allowed or caused the war. The First fact was when Britian via (I think but not certain) Sir Anthony Eden allowed Hitler to violate the British-German Naval Agreement which allowed Germany to embark on a massive naval build up. Had the British put their foot down then it would have radically changed Hitler's plans for "leibenstraum": land, in the East as printed in his Mein Kempf, which very few people actually read. Nextly, was after Germany saw that Britian and France had no testicals whatsoever then Germany again violated the Treaty of Versailles by re-occuping the Reinland then the Sudetenland then Austria....and then Czeckoslovakia with Marxist Chaimberlain standing there on the runway with a piece of paper in his hand and a dumb smile on his face: "Peace in our time". This too wasn't the cause of the war but a VERY big step forward to war because Hitler knew that the Allies had no stones.... So Hitler, doing what was logical signed a pact in 1937 with Joseph Stalin, a non-agression pact. The signing this pact, in combination of Allied indecision left the door wide open to Hitler to take Poland....so he did. It was the signing of this pact with Stalin that started World War 2. Further, what one is NEVER taught is that when Hitler invaded Poland from the West, Stalin and his communist Red Armies were invading the Baltic/White-Russian States and too East Poland. The sad fact, is that Communism was the real enemy and not Nazi Germany even though both were bad and both needed to be eliminated. The worst tragedy of our times is America not NUKING Moscow and Tokyo instead of two cow towns in Japan. Had they done this...there would have been no Communst China, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba....disaster at Yalta...... If one wishes to get truly sickening one can note the fact that British, French, Italian but mainly American Industrialists and International bankers were funding both sides before during and after the war. Re: Dr. Antony Sutton's "Wall St. and the Bolshevik Revolution", "Wall St. and the Rise if Hitler", "The Best Enemies Money can Buy" and "Trilaterals over Washington". Even more sickening NONE-of these individuals were ever brought to trial for treason and put to death from such: Rockefellers, Morgans, Ford, Carnege etc....
It is good to check ones facts always so you can understand what is fact and what is myth...... My suggestion is to learn...take no part in arguments or discussion about religion or politics but quietly check facts, learn all sides and ask other sources most of all follow the moral path. For example...if you are a muslim ask a Christan teacher or Jewish teacher or Hindu for their opinions...then check their facts/ref etc. When you get old enough you can make decisions for yourself and do what you like. Perhaps G-d willing you will become another Walid Shebbat, Brigitte Gabriel etc.
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Sarah:
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the "Islam" that you're being taught is not the real thing? Maybe at such a young age, they don't want you to know what Islam is really all about, because it might turn you off?
I don't study Islam, but often times, we can see what the religion is by the actions of it's practitioners. We don't see any Amish people hijacking planes.
The fact is that no Muslim country tolerates non-Muslims (perhaps with the exception of Turkey). For centuries, Jews have lived under Muslim rule under "Dhemi" status, which essentially equates them with dogs. This, according to Muslims, was considered a protected class. You gotta wonder how the unprotected class lived.
Why is it that Americans, who risked and gave their lives in 1991 to protect the "moderate" Muslim country of Saudi Arabia were not allowed to display their religion (thus enabling a proper memorial in the event of their death) while in Saudi Arabia? Why were female soldiers not allowed to leavetheir bases?
A man in Pakistan was accused of having sex with his consenting adult girlfriend. The sentence? The Muslim court ruled that since he shamed the girl's family by defiling their sister/daughter, he would be forced to watch as they (his girlfriend's family) gang raped his sister.
I watched a video recently (it was all over the web) of a young boy (he must have been 5 of 6) having a truck drive over his arm (while an adult held him down), because he was convicted of stealing. This was not some renegade impostor of Islam, it was a sentence carried out by a Muslim court in Iran.
When Arafag signed a deal with Israel (in 9/93) he referred to a concept in Islamic law known as a "hudna," which allows one to enter a peace treaty with the enemy only if the intent is to weaken the enemy, and then break the "hudna" when the enemy is weak. This carries a maximum allowance of seven years. Hence, in 10/2000, Arafag launched what became known as the Oslo War.
Never mind what we think of Arafag, but tell us about your knowledge of a "hudna."
On second thought, what do most Muslims think of Arafag? Judging by the turn out at his funeral, I would say many Muslims see this waste of human tissue as a hero.
There are a million more instances where the leaders of Islam clearly confirm for us what Islam is. While you call them impostors, they have the backing and support of the Muslim population, by and large.
How many Muslims raced to their Mosques to pray for the victims, after 9/11? Now, you might claim that you and many others did. But there were no press releases, no attempt to publicly show any solitude, or solidarity. On the other hand, we saw thousands of Muslims dancing in the streets all over the world on 9/11/01. (By 9/12, the network executives made sure the footage was no longer aired, but it was too late. The world had already seen it.)
When the two Israelis were beaten to death in an Arab police station, and their bodies were dropped out of the window for the mob to trample on, did your Imam give a speech at your mosque, clarifying that this is a disgrace to Islam?
When mobs rampaged all over Europe, because they were insulted by the Pope, did anyone in your Mosque declare that as a peaceful religion, it is wrong and un-Muslim to use violence against Christians, just because their leader uttered an insult?
One last question, Sarah. Please do me, yourself, and everyone else in this forum a favor. Research the fame of Salah-A-Din. What was so special about him, and what makes him revered in Islam?
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Very good post. I enjoyed reading it. Too, one can note that the recent History (well since the Turkish; Young Turks/Communists) took power in Turkey there has been a wide reform. I believe the man responsible was a Marxist named Attaturk but not sure. Too, the Dhimmi faired well in Turkey relative to the Kurds....... Now that is a story of "The Religion of Peace"... Perhaps the reason why Turkey is not like the others might be a combination of Socialism and being non-Arab? I don't know but I do think it may well have to do with Socialism... Perhaps I'm wrong... This poises me to ask a question: If the Arabs say Jews stole their land, when was it their land? The Ottomans, who are Turks and not Arabs held the land for...what....500 years....so when exactly was it Arab? Did not the Brits have the land after the Turks? Ok...I'm lost...
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If the Arabs say Jews stole their land, when was it their land? The Ottomans, who are Turks and not Arabs held the land for...what....500 years....so when exactly was it Arab? Did not the Brits have the land after the Turks? Ok...I'm lost...
Indeed. The Arab claim to "Palestine" is as legitimate as my claim to Disney Land. The last time they controlled it was in the 7th century, when they took it by conquest. I wonder if the irony is lost on them, that they now wave about UN Resolution 242, saying it is unacceptable to take land by conquest.
But none of that matters. Their main argument has always been, "it's mine 'cause otherwise I'll kill ya." Only after they lost the Six Day War did they decide to invent the"Palestinian," and cry before the world. Then their argument became "It's mine (the Arab), because the international community agrees with me, and you (the Jew) are stupid enough to jump at their command.
Since 9/93, the Arabs have the most legitimate claim yet (provided to them by the Jews themselves): "It's mine, because you (the Jew) refuse to fight for it, and you acknowledged my legitimate claims, by signing the treaty on the White House Lawn."
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Indeed. The Arab claim to "Palestine" is as legitimate as my claim to Disney Land. The last time they controlled it was in the 7th century, when they took it by conquest. I wonder if the irony is lost on them, that they now wave about UN Resolution 242, saying it is unacceptable to take land by conquest.
But none of that matters. Their main argument has always been, "it's mine 'cause otherwise I'll kill ya." Only after they lost the Six Day War did they decide to invent the"Palestinian," and cry before the world. Then their argument became "It's mine (the Arab), because the international community agrees with me, and you (the Jew) are stupid enough to jump at their command.
Since 9/93, the Arabs have the most legitimate claim yet (provided to them by the Jews themselves): "It's mine, because you (the Jew) refuse to fight for it, and you acknowledged my legitimate claims, by signing the treaty on the White House Lawn."
You are very correct. Sad to say...this is the case. The Jews should have thrown out the Balestinians when Jordan became a nation in 1922. I believe it was a combination of the infection that has rotted the early Ashkenazi brains: Communism. They were, from my understanding, to arrogant to listen to their Sephardit brethren about Islam and Muslims in that they truly felt that they could live together in "peace" or control the stupid Arab masses..... Then again, the only racist programs in Israel from my understanding were enacted by the BenGurion, Sharret and Meir during the early days agaisnt Sephardit Jews and not the Arabs to undermine the Irgun and Stern group via shutting out the Sephardit from Jobs/employment... I could be wrong but I think it goes something like that... Socialism... Sad. Should most deffinately had been dealt with in 1967. Today we'd have had ALL the land plus the Sinai with its Oil, shipping lanes and too use of the Suez Cannal had the Jews been strong and not caved in... Abba Eban, Henry Kissenger etc. sad...sad...
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But none of that matters. Their main argument has always been, "it's mine 'cause otherwise I'll kill ya." Only after they lost the Six Day War did they decide to invent the"Palestinian," and cry before the world. Then their argument became "It's mine (the Arab), because the international community agrees with me, and you (the Jew) are stupid enough to jump at their command.
Their main argument is that all the world's lands belong to Allah, whose religion must reign supreme. Even if they don't yet possess those lands, they are entitled to them by divine decree, and it is incumbent upon them to liberate them from the hands of the kuffar. Killing infidels is just the means, only one aspect of jihad. Other forms that jihad takes are demography (outbreeding the infidels), taqiya/tuquq/qitman (deceiving the infidels about the true intentions of Islam) and da'wa (peaceful conversion using traditional Christian missionary techniques).
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But none of that matters. Their main argument has always been, "it's mine 'cause otherwise I'll kill ya." Only after they lost the Six Day War did they decide to invent the"Palestinian," and cry before the world. Then their argument became "It's mine (the Arab), because the international community agrees with me, and you (the Jew) are stupid enough to jump at their command.
Their main argument is that all the world's lands belong to Allah, whose religion must reign supreme. Even if they don't yet possess those lands, they are entitled to them by divine decree, and it is incumbent upon them to liberate them from the hands of the kuffar. Killing infidels is just the means, only one aspect of jihad. Other forms that jihad takes are demography (outbreeding the infidels), taqiya/tuquq/qitman (deceiving the infidels about the true intentions of Islam) and da'wa (peaceful conversion using traditional Christian missionary techniques).
Exactly Dav. Agreed. Perhaps you'd like to present such logic and knowledge to your former President now traveling the World to unite their leaders in pressuring Israel to give OUR land to the Balestinians. Afterall, he has to promote his new communist propaganda rag furthering the fabrication of the Balistinian Beoble... or was it the Philistinian Beoble?