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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: The proud Jew on September 27, 2011, 08:05:41 PM
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http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=239829
There strategy of fighting back against the idf and the muslim nazi's who provoke them are working. Hence the nazi ehud barak's defense minestry is actually delaying the demolitions because of fear that the muslim nazi's will react strongly to a jewish attack, hence making the heros in juidea and sameria more like heroes in the general jewish public eye.
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May Hashem bless the brave warriors fighting for our survival..
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May Hashem bless the brave warriors fighting for our survival..
Muman we are a legal movement in israel and can not say truthfull things like that to the fullest extent. That can cause alot of unintended consequences with the boulshavic legal system. We are surviving as a movement by not doing anything illegal.
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Are we 100% sure this is not a false-flag or an entrapment?
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Are we 100% sure this is not a false-flag or an entrapment?
If it was a "false flag entrapment" plan, Why would ehud the nazi barak and the state department delay demolitions? we all know that those jewish traitors would love to throw there fellow jews under the bus at any time.
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Muman we are a legal movement in israel and can not say truthfull things like that to the fullest extent. That can cause alot of unintended consequences with the boulshavic legal system. We are surviving as a movement by not doing anything illegal.
There is nothing illegal about what I said..
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There is nothing illegal about what I said..
If thats the case then why is it that chaim on ask jtf was telling everybody to use there imagination of what we thought of tag machir?
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If thats the case then why is it that chaim on ask jtf was telling everybody to use there imagination of what we thought of tag machir?
I do not suggest that someone should go out and deface or disrespect the property of others. That is not my intention.
My blessing is that in the end the Jewish warriors will prevail and the wicked ones will be defeated.
If it is illegal to be grateful for the goodness of Hashem then we really have some problems in this world.
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i niether condone nor condemn this, my official stance is neutral. you figure out what i actually mean by that.
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i niether condone nor condemn this, my official stance is neutral. you figure out what i actually mean by that.
I have no idea?!?
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Muman we are a legal movement in israel and can not say truthfull things like that to the fullest extent. That can cause alot of unintended consequences with the boulshavic legal system. We are surviving as a movement by not doing anything illegal.
You can ask God to bless someone or call them brave even if they are doing something illegal and it's not illegal to do that.
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The Tag Machir [Price Tag] people are a bunch of petty spoiled brats. They're bad for Israel, for the non-leftist population in Israel, and especially for Jews living in the "West Bank." They fall right into the stereotype the international community has of non-leftists [especially Jewish residents outside the Green Line]. This praising of the Tag Machir is just outright craziness. What is gained by these degenerates attacking IDF and Arab civilians, as well as vandalizing mosques and churches? In addition to it being morally wrong, it just gives the "Palestinians" and the anti-Israel propagandists, who are winning the propaganda war, more propaganda material. Whatever short-term gains Tag Machir gets ultimately hurts Israel and especially the Jewish population beyond the Green Line.
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The Tag Machir [Price Tag] people are a bunch of petty spoiled brats. They're bad for Israel, for the non-leftist population in Israel, and especially for Jews living in the "West Bank." They fall right into the stereotype the international community has of non-leftists [especially Jewish residents outside the Green Line]. This praising of the Tag Machir is just outright craziness. What is gained by these degenerates attacking IDF and Arab civilians, as well as vandalizing mosques and churches? In addition to it being morally wrong, it just gives the "Palestinians" and the anti-Israel propagandists, who are winning the propaganda war, more propaganda material. Whatever short-term gains Tag Machir gets ultimately hurts Israel and especially the Jewish population beyond the Green Line.
There is no red or green line or "Palestinians" you cowardly weasel. These are the maccabees of our time.
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i niether condone nor condemn this, my official stance is neutral. you figure out what i actually mean by that.
My stance is also neutral with all my heart, and I proudly do not condone or condemn any of these heroes.
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There is no red or green line or "Palestinians" you cowardly weasel. These are the maccabees of our time.
Are you Tag Machir supports such illiterate morons that you can't read that I put "Palestinians" in quotation marks? Yes, I think that the "Palestinian" struggle against Israel is disingenuous and is about destroying Israel. That's true. And ideologically speaking, I think that the whole land belongs to Israel. But Israel doesn't have the morale or the resources to carry out any Greater Israel plan. Why should Israelis deal with conflict just because of some Tag Machir idiots and illiterate morons like you on the computer? Let me be very clear. I don't support Israel going back to the pre-1967 borders and I do think that Jerusalem is the united Capital of Israel. But I find it very ironic to have a Tag Machir supporter calling me a "cowardly weasel." No sir, it's your Tag Machir friends who are cowardly weasels every time they attack innocent civilians, every time they attack IDF soldiers, and every time they vandalize buildings [like churches and mosques] and write "Tag Machir" on them. They're not heroes. They're certainly not "Maccabees of our time." They're just degenerate trash who think that violence is the answer to anything they don't like. I bet you that many of the people these goons victimize are neutral when it comes to the question of settlements and to whether the Israeli Government was right to dismantle illegal outposts [most settlements aren't illegal; but a minority of them, which are established without approval of the Israeli Government, are illegal] or not. The Maccabees fought for the survival of the Jewish people against a Pagan superpower. The Tag Machir people just attack innocent people and vandalize property and think that they're all high and mighty. They're petty trash just like the radical Muslims, who riot because they don't like seeing a cartoon of Muhammad in a newspaper. Sure, the radical Muslim violence may be more extreme and use greater violence. And radical Islam [Islamo-Fascism] is a global threat; while these Tag Machir degenerates are a small fringe of extremists. But it's still largely the same petty mentality that drives these extremists to commit violent acts. I think your Tag Machir friends are the "cowardly weasels", not me. I'm not vandalizing mosques or attacking the IDF or doing anything like that. Which brings me back to my point. Whatever short-term goal these Tag Machir people may achieve will ultimately be disastrous in the long-term. The international community already sees Jewish residents in Judea and Samaria ["West Bank"] as illegal settlers, who violently attack Arabs. And Tag Machir plays right into those stereotypes with their extremist acts. Btw, while the Maccabees fought to defend Torah, Tag Machir goes against Torah. It's against Torah to vandalize olive trees of the enemy side in war time, which is something these Tag Machir pseudo-heroes do. The Tag Machir people are not heroes. They're just trashy petty cowardly extremists.
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Your the true coward animal. Their is no proof that any Jew is damaging any olive trees. And you claim their to be "innocent" civilians? Who is an "innocent civilian" in your words? Whom you define as such?
The Maccabees fought against the Greek occupiers AND the internal Hellinist enemies.
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I do not suggest that someone should go out and deface or disrespect the property of others. That is not my intention.
My blessing is that in the end the Jewish warriors will prevail and the wicked ones will be defeated.
If it is illegal to be grateful for the goodness of Hashem then we really have some problems in this world.
Muman didn't say anything about Tag Mechir.. He just blessed Righteous Jewish Warriors.. That can be anyone who defends Israel and Judaism. Nothing illegal about that statement.
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The Tag Machir [Price Tag] people are a bunch of petty spoiled brats. They're bad for Israel, for the non-leftist population in Israel, and especially for Jews living in the "West Bank." They fall right into the stereotype the international community has of non-leftists [especially Jewish residents outside the Green Line]. This praising of the Tag Machir is just outright craziness. What is gained by these degenerates attacking IDF and Arab civilians, as well as vandalizing mosques and churches? In addition to it being morally wrong, it just gives the "Palestinians" and the anti-Israel propagandists, who are winning the propaganda war, more propaganda material. Whatever short-term gains Tag Machir gets ultimately hurts Israel and especially the Jewish population beyond the Green Line.
News flash.. no matter how Israel acts...whether in defense or kindness, they will be looked at badly by propaganda.
Better to be brave and stand up for your people no matter what the anti semitic media thinks. The rest just makes you self hating moron weakling.
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I find it funny you compare the property damage Tag Mechir supposedly does with the murderous attempts of these Arab Muslim animals do to Jews. Rather than channeling your energy against fellow Jews, you should spend time attacking the Murdering Nazi Arab Muslims that want to cause ANOTHER HOLOCAUST on the Jews, Gd forbid. That is if you DO TRULY SUPPORT ISRAEL!!!
Otherwise, you are nothing more than a cowardly moron.
Are you Tag Machir supports such illiterate morons that you can't read that I put "Palestinians" in quotation marks? Yes, I think that the "Palestinian" struggle against Israel is disingenuous and is about destroying Israel. That's true. And ideologically speaking, I think that the whole land belongs to Israel. But Israel doesn't have the morale or the resources to carry out any Greater Israel plan. Why should Israelis deal with conflict just because of some Tag Machir idiots and illiterate morons like you on the computer? Let me be very clear. I don't support Israel going back to the pre-1967 borders and I do think that Jerusalem is the united Capital of Israel. But I find it very ironic to have a Tag Machir supporter calling me a "cowardly weasel." No sir, it's your Tag Machir friends who are cowardly weasels every time they attack innocent civilians, every time they attack IDF soldiers, and every time they vandalize buildings [like churches and mosques] and write "Tag Machir" on them. They're not heroes. They're certainly not "Maccabees of our time." They're just degenerate trash who think that violence is the answer to anything they don't like. I bet you that many of the people these goons victimize are neutral when it comes to the question of settlements and to whether the Israeli Government was right to dismantle illegal outposts [most settlements aren't illegal; but a minority of them, which are established without approval of the Israeli Government, are illegal] or not. The Maccabees fought for the survival of the Jewish people against a Pagan superpower. The Tag Machir people just attack innocent people and vandalize property and think that they're all high and mighty. They're petty trash just like the radical Muslims, who riot because they don't like seeing a cartoon of Muhammad in a newspaper. Sure, the radical Muslim violence may be more extreme and use greater violence. And radical Islam [Islamo-Fascism] is a global threat; while these Tag Machir degenerates are a small fringe of extremists. But it's still largely the same petty mentality that drives these extremists to commit violent acts. I think your Tag Machir friends are the "cowardly weasels", not me. I'm not vandalizing mosques or attacking the IDF or doing anything like that. Which brings me back to my point. Whatever short-term goal these Tag Machir people may achieve will ultimately be disastrous in the long-term. The international community already sees Jewish residents in Judea and Samaria ["West Bank"] as illegal settlers, who violently attack Arabs. And Tag Machir plays right into those stereotypes with their extremist acts. Btw, while the Maccabees fought to defend Torah, Tag Machir goes against Torah. It's against Torah to vandalize olive trees of the enemy side in war time, which is something these Tag Machir pseudo-heroes do. The Tag Machir people are not heroes. They're just trashy petty cowardly extremists.
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It's against Torah to vandalize olive trees of the enemy side in war time, which is something these Tag Machir pseudo-heroes do.
I think that only applies when the olive trees belong to the enemy. All the olive trees in Israel belong to the Jewish People. So that settles that argument.
every time they vandalize buildings [like churches and mosques] and write "Tag Machir" on them.
These are places of idol worship according to Judaism, did King David not destroy the places of idol worship?
The Maccabees fought for the survival of the Jewish people against a Pagan superpower.
The Arab Muslim Nazi's worship a giant rock & a moon G-d, they are Pagans.
I'm not vandalizing mosques.
Just because you're a cowardly little weasel doesn't mean everyone else has to be.
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Benyamin, every argument you make is identical to those made against the Lechi and Etzel during the fight against the British and Arabs, and time has shown who was right then.
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It is a crime to call Tag Mechir terrorism when rock throwing by murderous arabs is not considered terrorism...
Remember Baby Adele who has been suffering for almost a year now...
(http://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Adele-Bitton-300x225.jpg)
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/25/netanyahu-phones-father-of-baby-girl-who-was-critically-injured-in-arab-rock-attack/
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/166307
The family of Adele Bitton is asking the public for a renewed effort in praying for the 3-year-old's health. The girl was severely injured when terrorists threw rocks at the vehicle she was traveling in near the city of Ariel. The child has already undergone two head surgeries and is listed in life-threatening condition. Her full Hebrew name is Adele Chaya Bat Adva. The family has added an extra middle name, as is traditional in some cases when praying for health and well-being. The mother and two other siblings were moderately injured in the terrorist attack as well. They are thanking the public for the show of moral support.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--hm28A8jxw
How about the Palmer family? Has anyone considered how hurt they must be at the treatment they are getting from the government? Do Jews who live in the promised land, land which Israel liberated after the 1967 war, deserve such treatment? The police did not even call the Palmer attack a terrorist attack, at first blaming the victim rather than inflame the arabs.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175773
The terrorists who murdered the Palmers had rehearsed the method of attack before carrying out the murder. They threw the rock from a vehicle that sped past Palmer's car in the opposite direction. The rock thus struck the windshield of Palmer's car at a very high velocity, leaving him no chance.
It took a while for authorities to determine that Asher and Yonatan Palmer were, indeed, victims of a terror attack. In initial reporting of the deaths, authorities treated the event as an accident. Nationalist MKs accused the police of a cover-up at the time. Then-MK Yaakov Katz doubted the police's initial version from the outset and estimated that it was designed to prevent unrest.
Yet these arabs kill and maim Jews with impunity. The Israeli police do virtually nothing, often allowing the vile arabs to perpetrate crimes right before the police...
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Wow. Every time you type, I realize what a hateful extremist moron you are.
I think that only applies when the olive trees belong to the enemy. All the olive trees in Israel belong to the Jewish People. So that settles that argument.
No it doesn't. Arabs and other non-Jews still own property within Israel. And that applied to wars which took place in Israel as well. It was forbidden to destroy the olive trees of the other side. Tag Machir thugs destroys olive trees owned by the Arabs.
These are places of idol worship according to Judaism, did King David not destroy the places of idol worship?
The Arab Muslim Nazi's worship a giant rock & a moon G-d, they are Pagans.
Actually, according to Maimonides, Islam was not idolatrous or Pagan. And I would take Maimonides' word over some idiot Tag Machir supporter with a keyboard any day [yes I have theological disagreements with Islam; but that doesn't mean it's ok to vandalize their property]. And as for Christianity, it was not considered idol worship for non-Jews. The time of King David and the current era are two different times. Actually, some of the institutions of "biblical Israel" are not supposed to exist prior to the time of the Moshiach [Messiah]. The Beit Hamikdash being an example [true, the first Beit Hamikdash was build during the time of King Solomon, not King David, but let that pass]. I'm not saying that Halacha is not binding on Jews today. Of course it is. But the point is that Israel is not a theocracy. During Biblical times, the idolatrous influences threatened the faith of B'nai Yisrael and their relationship with G-d. That's not true today. So again, it was different times. It's not our business to judge other people for the faiths they follow. That is between them and G-d. Just because you have theological disagreements with someone doesn't mean you can vandalize their property.
Just because you're a cowardly little weasel doesn't mean everyone else has to be.
No sir. You and your tag Machir friends are cowardly weasels. You just sit up on your computer typing your hate. And the Tag Machir people are composed of spoiled brats. They never fought a real enemy army or any real enemy. All they do is attack Arab civilians, IDF soldiers, and vandalize buildings. What's so heroic about writing "Tag Machir" on a mosque? Again, what does that accomplish? All it accomplishes is giving the press a story that they can use to further their preconceived anti-Israel notions. Your wold is warped up, where not engaging in vandalism is being a "cowardly weasel." Thanks for giving me a tour of the demented mindset of Tag Machir.
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Benyamin is obviously not Jewish, as he thinks Xtianity isn't idol worship.
What does it accomplish? Your one useful utterance. It brings hope, and lets the government know we're not going to let them give our land to genital mutilators.
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Benyamin is obviously not Jewish, as he thinks Xtianity isn't idol worship.
What does it accomplish? Your one useful utterance. It brings hope, and lets the government know we're not going to let them give our land to genital mutilators.
The administrator Chaim Ben Pesach constantly supports Christians when it's a dispute between Christians and Muslims. For instance, he calls the Serbs "heroic Serb Christians." So is he not Jewish either. And plenty of Rabbinic authorities saw Christianity as idolatrous to Jews, but not to non-Jews. Are they not Jewish? And yes, Tag Machir vandalizing mosques accomplished nothing except to give the media a story to serve their anti-Israel preconceived notions. I don't theologically agree with Christianity. But that doesn't mean that I'll be a f**kin idiot and write "Tag Machir" on a church wall because the Israeli Government dismantles a settlement. That makes no sense.
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It is a crime to call Tag Mechir terrorism when rock throwing by murderous arabs is not considered terrorism...
Remember Baby Adele who has been suffering for almost a year now...
(http://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Adele-Bitton-300x225.jpg)
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/25/netanyahu-phones-father-of-baby-girl-who-was-critically-injured-in-arab-rock-attack/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--hm28A8jxw
How about the Palmer family? Has anyone considered how hurt they must be at the treatment they are getting from the government? Do Jews who live in the promised land, land which Israel liberated after the 1967 war, deserve such treatment? The police did not even call the Palmer attack a terrorist attack, at first blaming the victim rather than inflame the arabs.
Yet these arabs kill and maim Jews with impunity. The Israeli police do virtually nothing, often allowing the vile arabs to perpetrate crimes right before the police...
I find it sick to exploit the murder Arab terrorists commit against innocent Jews in order to justify the vandalism and violence of Tag Machir. Yes, what Tag Machir does is not as bad as what Arab terrorists do. But that shouldn't be the standard Israel of Jews are held to. The dirt under my shoe is not as bad as Arab terrorists. So what?
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The administrator Chaim Ben Pesach constantly supports Christians when it's a dispute between Christians and Muslims. For instance, he calls the Serbs "heroic Serb Christians." So is he not Jewish either. And plenty of Rabbinic authorities saw Christianity as idolatrous to Jews, but not to non-Jews. Are they not Jewish? And yes, Tag Machir vandalizing mosques accomplished nothing except to give the media a story to serve their anti-Israel preconceived notions. I don't theologically agree with Christianity. But that doesn't mean that I'll be a f**kin idiot and write "Tag Machir" on a church wall because the Israeli Government dismantles a settlement. That makes no sense.
I knew he was going to come back with something like that, Chaim has said similar things.
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Your the true coward animal. Their is no proof that any Jew is damaging any olive trees. And you claim their to be "innocent" civilians? Who is an "innocent civilian" in your words? Whom you define as such?
The Maccabees fought against the Greek occupiers AND the internal Hellinist enemies.
Your username is an oxymoron. First of all, Tzadek is someone on a high spiritual level. Tzedek means rightousness or justice. The Tag Machir people are stupod degenerates. And their extremist mentality is well expressed on forums like these. As for who is innocent, I mean the ones who don't commit terrorist acts. Yes, Tag Machir attacks Arabs, IDF soldiers, and vandalizes buildings. I may be ideologically right-wing. But I want nothing to do with you people. You may think that I'm apologizing for you Tag Machir degenerate filthbags. But that would imply that we're in the same category, a thought which disgusts me because I want nothing to do with Tag Machir.
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Your the true coward animal. Their is no proof that any Jew is damaging any olive trees.
So you're saying that Arabs and leftist activists frame Israeli settlers? In some cases, that's true. Not in all of them. When Tag Machir is guilty, they're not in the right. Let's see what Irish Zionist says:
I think that only applies when the olive trees belong to the enemy. All the olive trees in Israel belong to the Jewish People. So that settles that argument.
So Irish Zionist seems to acknowledge it being true that Tag Machir destroys olive trees and praises it.
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So Benyamin, should a bunch of immigrants be aloud to swarm in to your G-d given land after you came back and claim it as their own? They can go back to the other countries they came from.
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So Irish Zionist seems to acknowledge it being true that Tag Machir destroys olive trees and praises it.
I never said it happened but if I did happen so what?
The trees are still on Jewish Land, therefore the olive trees are Jewish property.
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So you're saying that Arabs and leftist activists frame Israeli settlers? In some cases, that's true.
You call yourself rightwing and yet all you do is defend the leftists and Arabs, while attacking the true rightwing Heros Tag Machir.
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News flash.. no matter how Israel acts...whether in defense or kindness, they will be looked at badly by propaganda.
Better to be brave and stand up for your people no matter what the anti semitic media thinks.
Completely agree. But the Tag Machir people are not brave. And vandalizing buildings and attacking innocent people is not standing up for Israel. Give an example of a major victory tag Machir scored for Israel. Yes, the media is anti-Israel anyway. But why give them more excuses? What good is it fighting the media bias if we have the Tag Machir goons resorting to extremist tactics. That's clearly not the answer. No, I'm not saying that Israel is as bad as the Arab terrorists. Israel is defending herself. Most Israelis condemn Tag Machir while the Arab extremists control their societies [any suspected "Palestinian" collaborator gets lynched on a pole]. Yes, the scale is not the same. But is resorting to the tactics used by Tag Machir the answer? Is it the answer for Israel and Jews to lower themselves morally and then to say that well, they're not as bad as the Arabs? Nope. Yes, the media is anti-Israel anyway. But that doesn't mean that Tag Machir is right. They're still feeding the propaganda war against Israel and play right into the international community's stereotypes of the Jewish population in the "West Bank."
The rest just makes you self hating moron weakling.
No. It's not being a "self hating moron weakling" to say that vandalizing someone else's property because you disapprove of a policy of the Israeli Government is wrong. You remind me of Iran and the Jihadists calling people "Islamophobes" for condemning Muslim terrorism.
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Open the gates idiot! See their true intentions, which is to make you not exist, or to be their slave. Oh wait, you can pay them taxes.
After that you can move somewhere else and wait for the next phase. Dumb ass! Open your eyes, look at the world!
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I never said it happened but if I did happen so what?
The trees are still on Jewish Land, therefore the olive trees are Jewish property.
But Arabs and non-Jews own property in Israel and the territories. So some of those olive trees are in Arab property. And it is against the Torah to destroy olive trees of the enemy side, something Tag Machir does. it doesn't matter whether the war takes place within Israel or not. It's against the Torah to destroy the olive trees. And plus, the Torah commands Israel to respect the non-Jewish resident in the land. So there you go.
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You call yourself rightwing and yet all you do is defend the leftists and Arabs, while attacking the true rightwing Heros Tag Machir.
Which statement did I make defending "leftists and Arabs"? You and your Tag Machir cult are just part of a cult spewing slogans against those who don't support your extremism. It's sad.
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As for who is innocent, I mean the ones who don't commit terrorist acts. Yes, Tag Machir attacks Arabs, IDF soldiers, and vandalizes buildings.
1. Arabs have no place in Israel, if they don't like it they can go back to Arabia where they came from.
2. IDF soldiers demolish Jewish houses in the middle of the night like cowards, Jews are starting to stand up for themselves and you condem it.
3. If an Arab who yesterday was a peaceful Arab causing no violence suddenly murders 2 Jewish babies and the mother and father, the IDF rushes in to seal off the settlements in case the Jewish settlers take revenge. What do you expect to happen?
Do you expect them to keep taking that or fight back like men. I for one have nothing but respect for them and 0 respect for you.
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But Arabs and non-Jews own property in Israel and the territories. So some of those olive trees are in Arab property. And it is against the Torah to destroy olive trees of the enemy side, something Tag Machir does. it doesn't matter whether the war takes place within Israel or not. It's against the Torah to destroy the olive trees. And plus, the Torah commands Israel to respect the non-Jewish resident in the land. So there you go.
[/quote] IT IS NOT ARAB PROPERTY!
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And plus, the Torah commands Israel to respect the non-Jewish resident in the land. So there you go.
Nobody is touching olive trees. As far as I heard, the Pseudostinians accused ISRAEL, not Tag Mechir, of sending pigs to do it. You're a liar.
Torah says we respect them when they follow our laws and are Noahides. Idolaters and clitoris-cutters must go. If they did chop trees, then it's a travesty that they did that instead of necks.
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Open the gates idiot! See their true intentions, which is to make you not exist, or to be their slave. Oh wait, you can pay them taxes.
After that you can move somewhere else and wait for the next phase. Dumb ass! Open your eyes, look at the world!
I know the true intentions about Islamo-Fascism and Israel's enemies in the Arab and Muslim world. Yes, they're genocidal. But being better than them should not be the moral standard. Two wrongs don't make a right. Genocidal terrorism does not justify vandalism and attacks against innocent people.
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IT IS NOT ARAB PROPERTY!
I didn't say that Israel belongs to the Arabs. I said that Arabs own property in Israel. That is a fact.
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You are making no sense at all. And I never said tag mechir are heroes.
But your solution is no solution. When the world is against Israel and other brave Jewish warriors, acting nice and respectable will get you no where. Kahane wasn't nice and said things as the truth no matter how controversial. Our great prophets like Jeremiah, Moses, and Aaron were controversial. Even Levi and Reuven did something controversial in the Bible. And the reaction they got was one like yours against tag mechir. Except there was a good effect on their controversy. The enemies of these prophets respected them.
Even the bombings if JDL caused the same reaction that you have against tag mechir. However it did a ton more than the "respectable״ AIPAC to free soviet Jewry.
There is a time and a place for idealism no matter how unpopular or controversial. With Israel about to commit suicide by giving away Judea and Samaria to the Arab murderers, these individuals who call themselves tag mechir are attempting to do a JDL thing so that the Israeli leadership think twice before pulling back. And even make the Arab enemy think twice before throwing another stone.
So they are brave for what they are doing. Defending your own country and loving your fellow Jew does not make one an extremist. People like you who have no honor for his own people are the extremist. You are the enabler of jihadists evil and nazism.
Completely agree. But the Tag Machir people are not brave. And vandalizing buildings and attacking innocent people is not standing up for Israel. Give an example of a major victory tag Machir scored for Israel. Yes, the media is anti-Israel anyway. But why give them more excuses? What good is it fighting the media bias if we have the Tag Machir goons resorting to extremist tactics. That's clearly not the answer. No, I'm not saying that Israel is as bad as the Arab terrorists. Israel is defending herself. Most Israelis condemn Tag Machir while the Arab extremists control their societies [any suspected "Palestinian" collaborator gets lynched on a pole]. Yes, the scale is not the same. But is resorting to the tactics used by Tag Machir the answer? Is it the answer for Israel and Jews to lower themselves morally and then to say that well, they're not as bad as the Arabs? Nope. Yes, the media is anti-Israel anyway. But that doesn't mean that Tag Machir is right. They're still feeding the propaganda war against Israel and play right into the international community's stereotypes of the Jewish population in the "West Bank."
No. It's not being a "self hating moron weakling" to say that vandalizing someone else's property because you disapprove of a policy of the Israeli Government is wrong. You remind me of Iran and the Jihadists calling people "Islamophobes" for condemning Muslim terrorism.
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I didn't say that Israel belongs to the Arabs. I said that Arabs own property in Israel. That is a fact.
What the five that were there when the Jews came home?
They probably wouldn't damage their property if the Arabs weren't trying to take all the land of Israel. ..
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The administrator Chaim Ben Pesach constantly supports Christians when it's a dispute between Christians and Muslims. For instance, he calls the Serbs "heroic Serb Christians." So is he not Jewish either. And plenty of Rabbinic authorities saw Christianity as idolatrous to Jews, but not to non-Jews. Are they not Jewish? And yes, Tag Machir vandalizing mosques accomplished nothing except to give the media a story to serve their anti-Israel preconceived notions. I don't theologically agree with Christianity. But that doesn't mean that I'll be a f**kin idiot and write "Tag Machir" on a church wall because the Israeli Government dismantles a settlement. That makes no sense.
They said so under threat of death in Europe. Any researcher into it knows what it is. Chaim Ben Pesah has a group to keep together, and now your liberal logic comes out, seeing as you make an equivalence to saying that idolatry is not idolatry and saying that no idolater can be a hero. They are heroes. Doesn't make them religiously right.
The Tag Mechir on churches is not for settlements, that's for the supreme court giving money for them to destroy our Jewish souls, and paying messyantic churches to be built, and letting their converts come to Israel.
What have you done for your Jewish brothers and sisters under threat of physical and spiritual annihilation, other than yap here against those who try?
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But Arabs and non-Jews own property in Israel and the territories. So some of those olive trees are in Arab property. And it is against the Torah to destroy olive trees of the enemy side, something Tag Machir does. it doesn't matter whether the war takes place within Israel or not. It's against the Torah to destroy the olive trees. And plus, the Torah commands Israel to respect the non-Jewish resident in the land. So there you go.
The Arabs are illegal occupiers in the land of Israel.
Show me the verse where it says it's against Torah to destroy olive trees.
The Torah commands Israel to respect an enemy that occupies your land and kills your people? What verse?
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I know the true intentions about Islamo-Fascism and Israel's enemies in the Arab and Muslim world. Yes, they're genocidal. But being better than them should not be the moral standard. Two wrongs don't make a right. Genocidal terrorism does not justify vandalism and attacks against innocent people.
Until they can be removed from Israel, any action that makes them want to leave is acceptable.
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I didn't say that Israel belongs to the Arabs. I said that Arabs own property in Israel. That is a fact.
The Arabs own nothing, they are illegal occupiers that must be thrown out and make way for The Jewish People.
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I find it funny you compare the property damage Tag Mechir supposedly does with the murderous attempts of these Arab Muslim animals do to Jews. Rather than channeling your energy against fellow Jews, you should spend time attacking the Murdering Nazi Arab Muslims that want to cause ANOTHER HOLOCAUST on the Jews, Gd forbid. That is if you DO TRULY SUPPORT ISRAEL!!!
Otherwise, you are nothing more than a cowardly moron.
Where did I "compare" Arab and Muslim terrorists murdering Jews to Tag Machir. Are you referring to when I said that "They're petty trash just like the radical Muslims, who riot because they don't like seeing a cartoon of Muhammad in a newspaper." I also said that "Sure, the radical Muslim violence may be more extreme and use greater violence. And radical Islam [Islamo-Fascism] is a global threat; while these Tag Machir degenerates are a small fringe of extremists." So I acknowledged that Islamo-Fascism is a bigger threat. Yes, the Arab terrorists are more powerful and do more damage. I have constantly voiced support for Israel against its Arab and Muslim enemies. But that doesn't mean having to support the thuggish tactics used by Tag Machir. You're moral standard is anything is good if it's not as bad as Arab or Muslim terrorists. And that's a suckey moral standard.
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The Arabs are illegal occupiers in the land of Israel.
Show me the verse where it says it's against Torah to destroy olive trees.
The Torah commands Israel to respect an enemy that occupies your land and kills your people? What verse?
"When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege"
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Deuteronomy.html
I never said that "the Torah commands Israel to respect an enemy that occupies your land and kills your people". Quit putting words in my mouth. I said that Tag Machir, when they do destroy olive trees [sometimes the Arabs do it and blame the settlers too; but two wrongs don't make a right], they're going against Torah, which says that it's forbidden to destroy trees of the other side in wartime.
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You are making no sense at all. And I never said tag mechir are heroes.
But your solution is no solution. When the world is against Israel and other brave Jewish warriors, acting nice and respectable will get you no where. Kahane wasn't nice and said things as the truth no matter how controversial. Our great prophets like Jeremiah, Moses, and Aaron were controversial. Even Levi and Reuven did something controversial in the Bible. And the reaction they got was one like yours against tag mechir. Except there was a good effect on their controversy. The enemies of these prophets respected them.
Even the bombings if JDL caused the same reaction that you have against tag mechir. However it did a ton more than the "respectable״ AIPAC to free soviet Jewry.
There is a time and a place for idealism no matter how unpopular or controversial. With Israel about to commit suicide by giving away Judea and Samaria to the Arab murderers, these individuals who call themselves tag mechir are attempting to do a JDL thing so that the Israeli leadership think twice before pulling back. And even make the Arab enemy think twice before throwing another stone.
So they are brave for what they are doing. Defending your own country and loving your fellow Jew does not make one an extremist. People like you who have no honor for his own people are the extremist. You are the enabler of jihadists evil and nazism.
I didn't say that you said that Tag Machir are heroes. You were attacking me for condemning Tag Machir. I said that I don't support Israel giving up any part of Jerusalem nor do I support Israel going back to the pre-1967 borders. If the world has a problem with that, tough crap. I never said to always be nice. I just don't think that damaging people's property and attacking the IDF and Arab civilians with rocks is the correct tactic to use. Yes, the Arabs have done far worse. But even if Tag Machir may cause short-term damage for the "Palestinians", they are giving the "Palestinians", the far-left, and the international community an excuse to continue with their propaganda by playing into the stereotype they have of Israel and even more so of Israeli "settlers." Again, what's gained by writing "Tag Machir" on a mosque? These thuggish intimidation tactics did nothing good for Israel. These Tag Machir people are bad for the Jewish community in Judea and Samaria. Most of the Jewish "settlers" and most Israelis want nothing to do with Tag Machir. Yes, the international community worships Palestinianism and will promote their anti-Israel propaganda anyway. But why play into these stereotypes? Why? Btw, this whole claim that I enable Nazism and Jihadists is outright nonsense. Nothing can be further from the truth. Everything I said about the Nazis and Jihadists were denunciations of them. You live in a cult-like mentality. I left the Greater Israel cult and became free with the truth.
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"You're moral standard is anything is good if it's not as bad as Arab or Muslim terrorists. And that's a suckey moral standard."
No! You show them the sword, and tell them you're not playing games. .. If they advance, you teach them a lesson!
You don't Cower and hope that G-d will save you... you do it yourself with the help of HaShem!
I love Joshua!
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"I left the Greater Israel cult and became free with the truth" What the heck does that mean? You love Mohammed? Good luck with that... :::D
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They said so under threat of death in Europe. Any researcher into it knows what it is. Chaim Ben Pesah has a group to keep together, and now your liberal logic comes out, seeing as you make an equivalence to saying that idolatry is not idolatry and saying that no idolater can be a hero. They are heroes. Doesn't make them religiously right.
The Tag Mechir on churches is not for settlements, that's for the supreme court giving money for them to destroy our Jewish souls, and paying messyantic churches to be built, and letting their converts come to Israel.
What have you done for your Jewish brothers and sisters under threat of physical and spiritual annihilation, other than yap here against those who try?
So there you go. Idolators can be heroes. But leaving that aside, plenty of Rabbinical authorities stated that Christianity is idolatry for Jews and not for non-Jews. I don't theologically agree with Christianity. Doesn't mean that I hate Christians. Yes, Islamo-Fascism is a threat to America and Western Civilization. And I, in no way, support Messianic "Judaism", which is Christianity in disguise. But how did I "yap" against those who tried to do a lot to help Jews under physical and spiritual annihilation? I "yapped" against Tag Machir, which did nothing to help them. All Tag Machir does is cause trouble. What have you done? You're just a hate monger with a cult-like mentality and a keyboard. And the Tag Machir cult just comes out with slogans against those who question their extremist way of thinking. It's a cult-like way of thinking. But thank G-d Tag Machir does not represent a serious mass movement, but is just a small group of spoiled petty brats. Btw, I'm not a liberal. I'm just not a wingnut Tag Machir moron. I'm still ideologically Conservative and right-wing. Just so you narrow minded Tag Machir cultists know.
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"I left the Greater Israel cult and became free with the truth" What the heck does that mean? You love Mohammed? Good luck with that... :::D
Didn't say that I love Muhammad. Ideologically, I think that the "West Bank" and Gaza belong to Israel. But Israel doesn't have the morale or the resources to carry it out. IDF soldiers deal with tough moral dilemmas on how to balance out
Israel's security needs while respecting the human rights of the Arab civilian population. If Israel was to carry out the Greater Israel policy, the ranks of the refuseniks [those who refuse to serve in the IDF] will go up. It would be disastrous if Israel tried to take over all the territories. It means that I see reality and that I understand that reality can not always meet the ideological ideal. That's what it means. So there.
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"You're moral standard is anything is good if it's not as bad as Arab or Muslim terrorists. And that's a suckey moral standard."
No! You show them the sword, and tell them you're not playing games. .. If they advance, you teach them a lesson!
You don't Cower and hope that G-d will save you... you do it yourself with the help of HaShem!
I love Joshua!
Totally agree. Yes, Israel should do what she can to defeat her Arab and Muslim terrorist enemies. But Tag Machir just attacks innocent people and vandalizes buildings. Tag Machir didn't bring a single victory. You people just represent a small fringe group of extremists with keyboards to backup Tag Machir and their petty thuggish tactics. Don't think you're so great cause you're not. Not supporting Tag Machir doesn't mean cowering. Get that in your thick skull.
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So there you go. Idolators can be heroes. But leaving that aside, plenty of Rabbinical authorities stated that Christianity is idolatry for Jews and not for non-Jews. I don't theologically agree with Christianity. Doesn't mean that I hate Christians. Yes, Islamo-Fascism is a threat to America and Western Civilization. And I, in no way, support Messianic "Judaism", which is Christianity in disguise. But how did I "yap" against those who tried to do a lot to help Jews under physical and spiritual annihilation? I "yapped" against Tag Machir, which did nothing to help them. All Tag Machir does is cause trouble. What have you done? You're just a hate monger with a cult-like mentality and a keyboard. And the Tag Machir cult just comes out with slogans against those who question their extremist way of thinking. It's a cult-like way of thinking. But thank G-d Tag Machir does not represent a serious mass movement, but is just a small group of spoiled petty brats. Btw, I'm not a liberal. I'm just not a wingnut Tag Machir moron. I'm still ideologically Conservative and right-wing. Just so you narrow minded Tag Machir cultists know.
Watch videos by Rabbi Tovia Singer. He addresses these claims, and shows how they were lies to save Jewish lives which is allowed. The opinions also didn't address anything in the religion, just stated it *might* not be idolatry.
Tag Mechir is striking our enemies. I'll support anyone who dares to lift a finger against the protected species of mass murderers. If there was anyone to support accomplishing something the nice way, of course I'd support them.
Also, I'm not in Tag Mechir, and how do you know anything of my mentality? You know nothing of Tag-Mechir, however, and can't support your claim of them being spolied brats with anything. We want Arabs out of Israel now. Anyone who fights for it is a hero, and anyone who stands against the little efforts possible is a traitor.
I think you learned to repeat a couple conservative lines to attack conservative movements. Every one of your argumentative tactics is straight out of a liberal playbook. To start with, you propose no solution of your own, you just point at problems and moan, then than attack the only ones doing something about them. Let's start with first things first, or this is an inquisition, not an argument. What is your position on what should be done about expulsions, and missionaries, and which group do your support that will resolve the problems there?
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All but 1 post of yours are condemning Tag Mechir. If you join a forum just to do that you're a troll.
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All but 1 post of yours are condemning Tag Mechir. If you join a forum just to do that you're a troll.
Don't get on the troll wagon again. He's not a troll, just a product of self hate that is rutted in contempt for human beings.
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Didn't say that I love Muhammad. Ideologically, I think that the "West Bank" and Gaza belong to Israel. But Israel doesn't have the morale or the resources to carry it out. IDF soldiers deal with tough moral dilemmas on how to balance out
Israel's security needs while respecting the human rights of the Arab civilian population.
The life of ONE Jew is worth more than ALL the Arabs in the world combined, including the women and children because the children are the future terrorists.
The Land of Israel belongs to The Jewish People to live in, but they have no right to give it away to anyone. G-d gave it to The Jews.
You sound like someone who has no faith.
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"When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege"
That has nothing to do with Arabs stealing your land and growing olive trees in stolen property.
And what city is Israel besieging? What are you talking about?
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That has nothing to do with Arabs stealing your land and growing olive trees in stolen property.
And what city is Israel besieging? What are you talking about?
I'm telling you this is a not a Jew.
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First none of us here ever voiced support for tag mechir. The very fact you use the same energy to condemn tag mechir. Or even less energy than condemning the murderous Muslims is what appalls me. Tag mechir are a speck on the map. You should worry about the Muslim enemy and let tag mechir be if you TRUELY support Israel. Otherwise you are no better than a kapo or self hating Jew (that is if u are Jewish)
Where did I "compare" Arab and Muslim terrorists murdering Jews to Tag Machir. Are you referring to when I said that "They're petty trash just like the radical Muslims, who riot because they don't like seeing a cartoon of Muhammad in a newspaper." I also said that "Sure, the radical Muslim violence may be more extreme and use greater violence. And radical Islam [Islamo-Fascism] is a global threat; while these Tag Machir degenerates are a small fringe of extremists." So I acknowledged that Islamo-Fascism is a bigger threat. Yes, the Arab terrorists are more powerful and do more damage. I have constantly voiced support for Israel against its Arab and Muslim enemies. But that doesn't mean having to support the thuggish tactics used by Tag Machir. You're moral standard is anything is good if it's not as bad as Arab or Muslim terrorists. And that's a suckey moral standard.
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I disagree.
1. It's not the pre 1967 borders that matter. Israel should never surrender a single inch. This should be your point of view if you truely support Israel.
2. You can question tactics, but anti Semites and self hating Jews never give up. They will always find excuses. So a few individuals you call Jewish extremists are not going to add as much gasoline to their as you think
3. Perhaps the methods of tag mechir will intimidate our enemies irregardless of its illegality. Look at what the JDL bombings accomplished. Look at what kahane's controversy accomplished in bringing Israel to the right. Look at what Levi and Reuven behavior accomplished in the Bible. Ever heard if the phrase "crazy Jews live longer?" Our enemies will not mess with crazy unpredictable Jews.
I didn't say that you said that Tag Machir are heroes. You were attacking me for condemning Tag Machir. I said that I don't support Israel giving up any part of Jerusalem nor do I support Israel going back to the pre-1967 borders. If the world has a problem with that, tough crap. I never said to always be nice. I just don't think that damaging people's property and attacking the IDF and Arab civilians with rocks is the correct tactic to use. Yes, the Arabs have done far worse. But even if Tag Machir may cause short-term damage for the "Palestinians", they are giving the "Palestinians", the far-left, and the international community an excuse to continue with their propaganda by playing into the stereotype they have of Israel and even more so of Israeli "settlers." Again, what's gained by writing "Tag Machir" on a mosque? These thuggish intimidation tactics did nothing good for Israel. These Tag Machir people are bad for the Jewish community in Judea and Samaria. Most of the Jewish "settlers" and most Israelis want nothing to do with Tag Machir. Yes, the international community worships Palestinianism and will promote their anti-Israel propaganda anyway. But why play into these stereotypes? Why? Btw, this whole claim that I enable Nazism and Jihadists is outright nonsense. Nothing can be further from the truth. Everything I said about the Nazis and Jihadists were denunciations of them. You live in a cult-like mentality. I left the Greater Israel cult and became free with the truth.
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I want to make another point.
If a type cancer kills our enemy, would we shed any tears for that enemy? And by not shedding tears for that enemy does that mean we support cancer?
The same is true with Tag Mechir. The people who are victimized by them, I do not shed a tear for.
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I want to make another point.
If a type cancer kills our enemy, would we shed any tears for that enemy? And by not shedding tears for that enemy does that mean we support cancer?
The same is true with Tag Mechir. The people who are victimized by them, I do not shed a tear for.
But their victims are not Arab terrorists. Their victims include IDF soldiers. Since when was the IDF an enemy? In fact, none of their victims include Arab terrorists. You can't just make an accusation and attack people, something Tag Machir does. They're the most petty trash ever. And reading the responses on this forum convinces me of that more than ever. They attack innocent civilians and vandalize buildings. Plenty of the people they victimized are probably neutral on the issue of settlements or on Israeli Government policies to dismantle some. They don't only attack the enemy. In fact, who did they attack who was the enemy?
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First none of us here ever voiced support for tag mechir. The very fact you use the same energy to condemn tag mechir. Or even less energy than condemning the murderous Muslims is what appalls me. Tag mechir are a speck on the map. You should worry about the Muslim enemy and let tag mechir be if you TRUELY support Israel. Otherwise you are no better than a kapo or self hating Jew (that is if u are Jewish)
Those who read my writings on the internet know that I spend a lot [more] energy condemning murderous Muslims. Yes, I condemn the Arab and Muslim terrorists. My writings show that. But even if Tag Machir is peanuts compared to the enemy Israel deals with [a point that I already concede], it doesn't make Tag Machir any more in the right. Two wrongs don't make a right. You think that you either have to condemn Tag Machir or Muslim Fundamentalism. I disagree.
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Since when was the IDF an enemy?
When IDF throws Jews out of there homes, then they are the enemy, when IDF rushes to protect the Arab Nazi's right after they murdered Jews in case the Jews take revenge is an enemy.
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Those who read my writings on the internet know that I spend a lot [more] energy condemning murderous Muslims. Yes, I condemn the Arab and Muslim terrorists. My writings show that. But even if Tag Machir is peanuts compared to the enemy Israel deals with [a point that I already concede], it doesn't make Tag Machir any more in the right. Two wrongs don't make a right. You think that you either have to condemn Tag Machir or Muslim Fundamentalism. I disagree.
I disagree with you again. You should be condemning the more dangerous people. Not Tag Mechir. Tag Mechir is not even .1% of the Jewish side compared to the terrorists. And because of that not even .1% of your condemnation should even be bothered on Tag Mechir. So far on the forum 99.9% of the time you have been condemning them.
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So you're saying that Arabs and leftist activists frame Israeli settlers? In some cases, that's true. Not in all of them. When Tag Machir is guilty, they're not in the right. Let's see what Irish Zionist says: So Irish Zionist seems to acknowledge it being true that Tag Machir destroys olive trees and praises it.
IZ isn't Tag-Mahir and he isn't Jewish so he doesn't have to know or deal with Jewish law (Halacha).
I only spoke about the olive trees (not mosques etc.) for sure their were Arabs and leftists who were caught doing such acts, never a Religious or right-wing Jew. Jews don't burn olive trees (or other trees).
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IZ isn't Tag-Mahir and he isn't Jewish so he doesn't have to know or deal with Jewish law (Halacha).
I only spoke about the olive trees (not mosques etc.) for sure their were Arabs and leftists who were caught doing such acts, never a Religious or right-wing Jew. Jews don't burn olive trees (or other trees).
That's another thing Benyamin Solomon doesn't get. A lot of these "thuggeries" are only Arabs doing it to themselves to blame the Jewish settlers.
Again it's not even .1% of the 'problem' Tag Mechir is doing. .It's the 99.9%+ the problems the Arabs are doing. Energy should only be devote 99.9+% towards that.
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That's another thing Benyamin Solomon doesn't get. A lot of these "thuggeries" are only Arabs doing it to themselves to blame the Jewish settlers.
Again it's not even .1% of the 'problem' Tag Mechir is doing. .It's the 99.9%+ the problems the Arabs are doing. Energy should only be devote 99.9+% towards that.
I think I became an obsession for you hate mongers because I don't tow the line. Anyway, never did I deny that Arabs and leftists destroy olive trees and blame it on Jewish residents in the territories. Yes, that does happen. And I don't support them either. Yes, the root cause of the conflict is Arab rejection of Israel's right to exist on their land and is not Tag Machir. Does that mean that I have to support Tag Machir? No. What's with all the vitriol? All I did was say that I disagree with Tag Machir and their tactics. You think that because there are cases where Jewish "settlers" get the blame many times when Arabs and leftists frame them, therefore, I got to support tag Machir even when they are guilty. And that just makes no sense.
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IZ isn't Tag-Mahir and he isn't Jewish so he doesn't have to know or deal with Jewish law (Halacha).
I only spoke about the olive trees (not mosques etc.) for sure their were Arabs and leftists who were caught doing such acts, never a Religious or right-wing Jew. Jews don't burn olive trees (or other trees).
There you go. So some foul mouthed moron, who isn't even Jewish, telling Israel and Jews to support extremists. Wow. :::D
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I disagree with you again. You should be condemning the more dangerous people. Not Tag Mechir.
I already do condemn the more dangerous people. Want me to say it in stupid so then you can understand?
Tag Mechir is not even .1% of the Jewish side compared to the terrorists. And because of that not even .1% of your condemnation should even be bothered on Tag Mechir. So far on the forum 99.9% of the time you have been condemning them.
I agree. Tag Machir isn't even 1% of the Jewish side. But that's all I condemned. I didn't condemn Israel or the 99.9999999% of the Jewish side. I already spend more energy on the internet condemning Muslim terrorists. I don't mean JTF. I mean generally. I already spend more energy condemning Muslim terrorists and Israel's enemies in particular. Yes, Tag Machir doesn't do nearly as much damage as Muslim and Arab terrorists, who are way more murderous. That's true. But bank robbers don't commit nearly as big a crime as murderers. So should we excuse the bank robbers? Point is. I condemn Tag Machir because they're bad for Israel and for the Jewish population beyond the "Green Line." All they do is play into international stereotypes of the Jewish community in Judea and Samaria ["West Bank"].
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There you go. So some foul mouthed moron, who isn't even Jewish, telling Israel and Jews to support extremists. Wow. :::D
Dude, STFU, your being the foul mouthed MORAN you claim others to be.
All I said and meant was that he isn't particularly familiar with the olive situation. And like I said before both leftists AND Arabs were caught trying to frame Right-Wing Jews in this. Sometimes it even was some Arabs doing unto other Arabs they have or had a problem with. They literally were caught.
OTOH Mosques and houses/vehicles are a complete different story.
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MK Katz:Anarchists Filmed Burning Olive Trees also Burned Mosque
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/140504#.UwY__Zt3u1s
http://www.israelifrontline.com/2010/11/anarchists-arabs-caught-burning-olive.html
Video available.
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Watch videos by Rabbi Tovia Singer. He addresses these claims, and shows how they were lies to save Jewish lives which is allowed. The opinions also didn't address anything in the religion, just stated it *might* not be idolatry.
Ok. Whatever. Whether Christianity is idolatry is between them and G-d. I was just stating that there were Rabbinic authorities, who said that it's idolatry for Jews, but not for non-Jews.
Tag Mechir is striking our enemies. I'll support anyone who dares to lift a finger against the protected species of mass murderers. If there was anyone to support accomplishing something the nice way, of course I'd support them.
Also, I'm not in Tag Mechir, and how do you know anything of my mentality? You know nothing of Tag-Mechir, however, and can't support your claim of them being spolied brats with anything. We want Arabs out of Israel now. Anyone who fights for it is a hero, and anyone who stands against the little efforts possible is a traitor.
So in one paragraph, you say that you'll support tag Machir because they're "striking our enemies" and in another paragraph, you say that you're "not in tag Machir." Then you continue with, "how do you know anything of my mentality?" I know from the way you write. You may not be with the Tag Machir people. But you still attack anyone who condemns Tag Machir. All I said was that I don't support Tag Machir. And then you people get all vitriolic and accuse me of being a liberal. The liberals I argue with will laugh at that idea. I can tell from your responses that you live in a closed-minded narrow world. I'm sorry that I can't toe the line.
I think you learned to repeat a couple conservative lines to attack conservative movements. Every one of your argumentative tactics is straight out of a liberal playbook. To start with, you propose no solution of your own, you just point at problems and moan, then than attack the only ones doing something about them. Let's start with first things first, or this is an inquisition, not an argument. What is your position on what should be done about expulsions, and missionaries, and which group do your support that will resolve the problems there?
No. I am conservative. Just not as hateful as the clowns on this forum. What should be done about the missionaries? I support efforts to counter the missionaries efforts through education, not violence. So yes, I support what Rabbi Tovia Singer is doing in showing how Scripture supports the Jewish position on the Jesus question. Yes, I support using the internet and media to counter missionary efforts, not violent action. I know that many of you are mentally incapable of understanding that. But I'll say it anyway. What to do about the expulsions? Which case? If there are illegal outposts there, then they don't belong there. And yes, I would support Israel dismantling settlements if it'll bring peace [something I'm pessimistic about; considering that the "Palestinians" use any territory they get as a terror base to attack Israel, thusly resulting in terrorism on Israel increasing]. You claim that I can't support my point about Tag Machir being "spoiled brats" [yes, spoiled, not "spolied"]. Umm. You just got to look at their actions. They resort to violence and vandalism whenever anything doesn't go their way. And you want to act like that's heroic and you get all vitriolic if anyone disagrees. As for the two-state solution, I don't ideologically support it because ideologically, I think that the land belongs to Israel. But you got to look at the reality. Can Israel bring it about? So I would support the two-state solution only if it brings peace [which is something I don't believe because of the history]. As for the borders, that's for something for Israel and the Arabs to negotiate about.
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I think I became an obsession for you hate mongers because I don't tow the line. Anyway, never did I deny that Arabs and leftists destroy olive trees and blame it on Jewish residents in the territories. Yes, that does happen. And I don't support them either. Yes, the root cause of the conflict is Arab rejection of Israel's right to exist on their land and is not Tag Machir. Does that mean that I have to support Tag Machir? No. What's with all the vitriol? All I did was say that I disagree with Tag Machir and their tactics. You think that because there are cases where Jewish "settlers" get the blame many times when Arabs and leftists frame them, therefore, I got to support tag Machir even when they are guilty. And that just makes no sense.
That is not just what you said actually. You said the most terrible things about Tag Mechir and not half as much a condemnation on the true bad guys..muslim terrorists.
And nobody on this forum supports Tag Mechir. Quite simply our priorities are on the true enemies of the Jewish people.
And yes, you were blaming the burning of Olive trees on Tag Mechir. We aren't half wits, you know.
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That is not just what you said actually. You said the most terrible things about Tag Mechir and not half as much a condemnation on the true bad guys..muslim terrorists.
And nobody on this forum supports Tag Mechir. Quite simply our priorities are on the true enemies of the Jewish people.
And yes, you were blaming the burning of Olive trees on Tag Mechir. We aren't half wits, you know.
? You mean "not" support?
Or not support, but do not condemn.
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That is not just what you said actually. You said the most terrible things about Tag Mechir and not half as much a condemnation on the true bad guys..muslim terrorists.
And nobody on this forum supports Tag Mechir. Quite simply our priorities are on the true enemies of the Jewish people.
And yes, you were blaming the burning of Olive trees on Tag Mechir. We aren't half wits, you know.
I denounced Muslim terrorists way more than I denounced Tag Machir [I'm not only counting on this forum]. I am a big time opponent of radical Islam and a big time supporter of Israel. As for the blaming Tag Machir for destroying the olive trees, I only blame them when they're responsible. I'm sure sometimes they're responsible. And sometimes it's leftists and Arabs trying to make the Jewish community in Judea and Samaria look bad. That's what I said. Of course I condemn the enemies of the Jewish people. Stop putting words in mouth. Or in other words, open up your head so you can take in fact instead of just being a one way garbage spewer. Yes, I didn't say nice things about Tag Machir. As one of the quotes someone has says, that would be dishonest. Yes, I condemn Tag Machir because, in addition to their actions being immoral, they play right into the hands of the anti-Israel propaganda machine.
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And nobody on this forum supports Tag Mechir.
Then why do many people here defend them or resort to such vitriol if somebody says that what Tag Machir is doing is wrong?
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? You mean "not" support?
Or not support, but do not condemn.
We consider Tag Mechir brave, but do not support their actions. We don't condemn them either. And we definitely do not shed tears over the "victims". Our stance is that our energy should be spent condemning Israel's true enemies; not Tag Mechir, who are far from being enemies of the Jewish people and they try to do good for Israel in order to prevent further suicidal concessions against murderous Arabs.
I'll put this story for you: There were these two Jews about to get shot by Nazis at a shooting range. One Nazi soldier calls out, "Any last requests?" So one Jew says to the other, "I think I will ask for a cigarette." And the other Jew replies, "No don't! It will just make them angry!"
Benyamin Solomon is that second Jew.
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Then why do many people here defend them or resort to such vitriol if somebody says that what Tag Machir is doing is wrong?
Because you would act like a traitor and turn a Tag Mechir person in to the authorities if you had the chance..and yes you have been doing more than just condemning their actions.
If you were a normal person, you would just simply say, "I disagree with what Tag Mechir does because it hurts the cause of the Jewish people and Israel."
And to that comment, all of us in JTF would disagree with it and site examples of how so called radicals and so called crazy Jews were more effective than the ones who tried to be presentable and politically correct like you.
JTF does not condemn nor condone actions of Tag Mechir. We do not support them. We do believe that what they do is brave, but at the same time do not recommend for JTFers to follow suit. And to the victims of Tag Mechir, which are building structures and not actual human beings, we do not shed tears for.
And we do not care what the media thinks. The media will spin any direction they want to condemn the settlers. So to the media, we say, "Screw you..we care what Hashem thinks and not the enemies of the Jewish people." You ought to think the same way and drop your vitriol against Tag Mechir individuals. Your focus needs to be change if you are a champion of the Jewish people, settlers, and Israel.
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We consider Tag Mechir brave, but do not support their actions. We don't condemn them either. And we definitely do not shed tears over the "victims". Our stance is that our energy should be spent condemning Israel's true enemies; not Tag Mechir, who are far from being enemies of the Jewish people and they try to do good for Israel in order to prevent further suicidal concessions against murderous Arabs.
I'll put this story for you: There were these two Jews about to get shot by Nazis at a shooting range. One Nazi soldier calls out, "Any last requests?" So one Jew says to the other, "I think I will ask for a cigarette." And the other Jew replies, "No don't! It will just make them angry!"
Benyamin Solomon is that second Jew.
I'm not that second Jew. Of course, Israel should defend herself. Jerusalem is her united capital. The world doesn't like it, tough luck. But I don't support cowardly thuggish tactics. Btw, Tag Machir is far from brave. They're cowards, period.
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I'm not that second Jew. Of course, Israel should defend herself. Jerusalem is her united capital. The world doesn't like it, tough luck. But I don't support cowardly thuggish tactics. Btw, Tag Machir is far from brave. They're cowards, period.
You're the coward. These kids put their reputation and lives on the line. You sit behind a computer and point fingers.
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The administrator Chaim Ben Pesach constantly supports Christians when it's a dispute between Christians and Muslims. For instance, he calls the Serbs "heroic Serb Christians."
Leave the Serbs out of this Joshua Rosenberg or Joshua Rosenberg's pall. You know goose egg about the Serbs. You or your chum are amok because nobody wanted to advertise your videos on the forums.
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"Benyamin Solomon" has given our members another live example of the hopelessly twisted thinking of cowardly, self-hating Jews:
The Tag Machir people just attack innocent people and vandalize property and think that they're all high and mighty.
So the Arab Muslim Nazis who live in the land of Israel and who have supported a holocaust against the Jewish people for more than 100 years are "innocent people". The Arab Nazi political parties who openly call for Israel's destruction consistently win 95% or more of the Arab vote in the Knesset elections. These Arab "civilians" who are voting for parties that praise the terrorist mass murderers of Fatah, Hamas and Hezballah are "innocent people".
It's against Torah to vandalize olive trees of the enemy side in war time
What utter ignorance of the Torah. When a war for survival is being waged, olive trees are more important than Jewish lives? Olive trees are more important than pikuach nefesh (saving lives)? If these olive trees provide income for Arab Nazis to be able to live in Israel and to be able to produce huge families, then they are a danger to Jewish lives.
And plus, the Torah commands Israel to respect the non-Jewish resident in the land. So there you go.
Pathetic. The only non-Jewish residents that we must respect in the land according to the Torah are those who accept Jewish sovereignty and Jewish law, in other words, bnei Noach. The Torah commands us to expel the others. Moses, Joshua and King David would never have tolerated Arab Muslim Nazis living in the land of Israel.
I know the true intentions about Islamo-Fascism and Israel's enemies in the Arab and Muslim world. Yes, they're genocidal. But being better than them should not be the moral standard. Two wrongs don't make a right. Genocidal terrorism does not justify vandalism and attacks against innocent people.
So even though the Arab Muslim Nazis are genocidal, it is forbidden to vandalize their property. When wimpy Jews become self-haters, there is no limit to their insanity.
I just don't think that damaging people's property and attacking the IDF and Arab civilians with rocks is the correct tactic to use.
So Jews are not allowed to throw rocks at Arab "civilians" even though Arabs throw rocks at Jews day and night. Jews are not allowed to retaliate. Because right now, Tag Mechir are the only Jews who are retaliating and the only Jews who deal with the Arabs in a language they understand.
I left the Greater Israel cult and became free with the truth.
"Greater Israel cult" means keeping Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights which would make Israel about the size of New Jersey. Saying that Israel should be the size of New Jersey makes you part of a crazy "cult", according to this Judenrat kapo. Within these "Greater Israel" borders, the 66 nations of the Muslim world are still 2,000 times the size of tiny Israel. But even this is just too much land for the Jews, according to this endlessly appeasing worm.
One other point. The "Greater Israel cult" is Torah Judaism. The Torah actually commands us to liberate from the Nile to the Euphrates. Every time Jews commit the unforgivable crime of surrendering Jewish land or expelling Jews, it always leads to G-d's punishment.
Didn't say that I love Muhammad. Ideologically, I think that the "West Bank" and Gaza belong to Israel. But Israel doesn't have the morale or the resources to carry it out. IDF soldiers deal with tough moral dilemmas on how to balance out
Israel's security needs while respecting the human rights of the Arab civilian population. If Israel was to carry out the Greater Israel policy, the ranks of the refuseniks [those who refuse to serve in the IDF] will go up. It would be disastrous if Israel tried to take over all the territories. It means that I see reality and that I understand that reality can not always meet the ideological ideal. That's what it means. So there.
Here again, Israel doesn't have the "morale or the resources" to be the size of New Jersey. Leftist traitors may refuse to serve in the IDF - big deal, these "soldiers" are a fifth column anyway. The best thing that could happen would be for the leftist traitors to refuse to serve. Better yet would be if they left Israel altogether.
Btw, I'm not a liberal.
True. Even the most liberal Americans never suggest that the U.S. surrender American land. You are way beyond liberal.
Yes, I condemn Tag Machir because, in addition to their actions being immoral, they play right into the hands of the anti-Israel propaganda machine.
You are the immoral one because Jews like you leave the Jewish people defenseless. You are so worried about appeasing world opinion that you allow Jews to be murdered so as not to "look bad" in the eyes of the anti-Semites. You fail to realize that one of the biggest reasons for anti-Semitism is cowardice. People detest cowards. Jewish youth often assimilate and are ashamed to be Jewish because of cowardly behavior of Jews like you. People respect courageous fighters even if they disagree with them. I personally witnessed how Rabbi Meir Kahane was respected more than all of the other Jewish leaders because he was regarded as a courageous, principled, idealistic warrior. "Practical" Jewish wimps who are unprincipled opportunists and who are willing to abandon their own land just for a moment of peace are despised. The brave fighting Israeli of the 1967 Six Day War was officially condemned but privately respected by the world. The gutless "pragmatic" Jews like you are held in contempt.
But even if the world would be against us for doing what has to be done, it wouldn't matter. As Rabbi Kahane, the greatest Jewish leader of modern times, always said:
"I would rather have a strong Israel that the whole world hates than an Auschwitz that the whole world loves."
One last point. Many Israeli Jews love Tag Mechir. Below is a Hebrew video showing leftist reporters stunned to find virtually all of the passing Jews on the street in Jerusalem strongly applauding Tag Mechir. We in JTF cannot applaud them for legal reasons because we are a law-abiding organization. But we certainly do not condemn them. Many Israeli Jews, especially young Jews, adore them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrNd3hfGMM
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"Benyamin Solomon" has given our members another live example of the hopelessly twisted thinking of cowardly, self-hating Jews:
So the Arab Muslim Nazis who live in the land of Israel and who have supported a holocaust against the Jewish people for more than 100 years are "innocent people". The Arab Nazi political parties who openly call for Israel's destruction consistently win 95% or more of the Arab vote in the Knesset elections. These Arab "civilians" who are voting for parties that praise the terrorist mass murderers of Fatah, Hamas and Hezballah are "innocent people".
What utter ignorance of the Torah. When a war for survival is being waged, olive trees are more important than Jewish lives? Olive trees are more important than pikuach nefesh (saving lives)? If these olive trees provide income for Arab Nazis to be able to live in Israel and to be able to produce huge families, then they are a danger to Jewish lives.
Pathetic. The only non-Jewish residents that we must respect in the land according to the Torah are those who accept Jewish sovereignty and Jewish law, in other words, bnei Noach. The Torah commands us to expel the others. Moses, Joshua and King David would never have tolerated Arab Muslim Nazis living in the land of Israel.
So even though the Arab Muslim Nazis are genocidal, it is forbidden to vandalize their property. When wimpy Jews become self-haters, there is no limit to their insanity.
So Jews are not allowed to throw rocks at Arab "civilians" even though Arabs throw rocks at Jews day and night. Jews are not allowed to retaliate. Because right now, Tag Mechir are the only Jews who are retaliating and the only Jews who deal with the Arabs in a language they understand.
"Greater Israel cult" means keeping Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights which would make Israel about the size of New Jersey. Saying that Israel should be the size of New Jersey makes you part of a crazy "cult", according to this Judenrat kapo. Within these "Greater Israel" borders, the 66 nations of the Muslim world are still 2,000 times the size of tiny Israel. But even this is just too much land for the Jews, according to this endlessly appeasing worm.
One other point. The "Greater Israel cult" is Torah Judaism. The Torah actually commands us to liberate from the Nile to the Euphrates. Every time Jews commit the unforgivable crime of surrendering Jewish land or expelling Jews, it always leads to G-d's punishment.
Here again, Israel doesn't have the "morale or the resources" to be the size of New Jersey. Leftist traitors may refuse to serve in the IDF - big deal, these "soldiers" are a fifth column anyway. The best thing that could happen would be for the leftist traitors to refuse to serve. Better yet would be if they left Israel altogether.
True. Even the most liberal Americans never suggest that the U.S. surrender American land. You are way beyond liberal.
You are the immoral one because Jews like you leave the Jewish people defenseless. You are so worried about appeasing world opinion that you allow Jews to be murdered so as not to "look bad" in the eyes of the anti-Semites. You fail to realize that one of the biggest reasons for anti-Semitism is cowardice. People detest cowards. Jewish youth often assimilate and are ashamed to be Jewish because of cowardly behavior of Jews like you. People respect courageous fighters even if they disagree with them. I personally witnessed how Rabbi Meir Kahane was respected more than all of the other Jewish leaders because he was regarded as a courageous, principled, idealistic warrior. "Practical" Jewish wimps who are unprincipled opportunists and who are willing to abandon their own land just for a moment of peace are despised. The brave fighting Israeli of the 1967 Six Day War was officially condemned but privately respected by the world. The gutless "pragmatic" Jews like you are held in contempt.
But even if the world would be against us for doing what has to be done, it wouldn't matter. As Rabbi Kahane, the greatest Jewish leader of modern times, always said:
"I would rather have a strong Israel that the whole world hates than an Auschwitz that the whole world loves."
One last point. Many Israeli Jews love Tag Mechir. Below is a Hebrew video showing leftist reporters stunned to find virtually all of the passing Jews on the street in Jerusalem strongly applauding Tag Mechir. We in JTF cannot applaud them for legal reasons because we are a law-abiding organization. But we certainly do not condemn them. Many Israeli Jews, especially young Jews, adore them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrNd3hfGMM
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Bravo Chaim... You answered this troll succinctly and to the point. I am disgusted at this guy for supporting the enemies of the Jewish people while simultaneously insulting great Jews who are not afraid of what the world thinks. Jews MUST defend themselves. Hashem wants us to defend ourselves, as the Torah clearly teaches 'If one comes to kill you, you must rise first and kill him first'. Mealy mouthed self-haters such as Benyamin Solomon are a pock mark on the Jewish people, a shtetl mind who is convinced of his inferiority in the face of the muslim. He is prime dhimmi material.
I must rebuke this person if indeed he is Jewish. He has turned his back on his people and acts as an informer against them... Shame on you Benyamin...
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"If there are illegal outposts there, then they don't belong there. And yes, I would support Israel dismantling settlements if it'll bring peace"
All I needed to hear. He's a far leftist, and 99% likely not a Jew.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/godsslave/2013/12/24/the-cult-of-greater-israel
Listen to this self hating kapo at 3.00 min mark supporting a Palestinian state. What a sick human being.
Calls the settlers whiny babies, what Gall!
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Also his FB page and he's living in New York
https://www.facebook.com/benyamin.solomon
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That greater Israel blog post sure sounds like this troll...
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He's quite the narcissist. He keeps posting on his wall that he commented on articles.
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In his video he says he favors the Jewish settlers being removed at gunpoint if it would bring peace. Also he said he is living in the real world (in New York not Israel). And he compares Tag machir to Nazi Iran. All this and much more sick stuff while claiming to be right-wing and the best Israel supporter on blog TV.
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Tell me this Benyamin Solomon. If the Arabs in Israel stop fighting and just keep making more and more babies, become the majority and vote Israel out of existence do they have a right to do so if they do it peacefully?
Serious question.
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In his video he says he favors the Jewish settlers being removed at gunpoint if it would bring peace. Also he said he is living in the real world (in New York not Israel). And he compares Tag machir to Nazi Iran. All this and much more sick stuff while claiming to be right-wing and the best Israel supporter on blog TV.
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I said that if the Israeli settlers were expelled at gunpoint and it results in there being peace, so be it. Better to have peace than more people dying for ideological ends. For instance, with your home country [Ireland]. If we were to have what is ideologically right, the UK would not dominate any part of Ireland. But the UK dominates the northern part of it because that's what both sides agreed to. I also said on that broadcast that Israel has "every right to do what she's doing."
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/godsslave/2013/12/24/the-cult-of-greater-israel
Listen to this self hating kapo at 3.00 min mark supporting a Palestinian state. What a sick human being.
Calls the settlers whiny babies, what Gall!
I said that while I ideologically think that the territories belong to Israel, I would support a two-state solution [or go along with it] if it'll bring peace. That's what I said. Didn't say that I support "a Palestinian state."
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He's quite the narcissist. He keeps posting on his wall that he commented on articles.
Obviously, you don't know how the commenting works. Some sites require that you log in to your Facebook account to comment. And if you leave the box check marked, then it'll be marked on your Facebook that you commented on the article [with the comment or part of it with a "See more" hyperlink appearing on your Facebook page]. [To others as well] Wow, you people really obsess over me. I see that you linked one of my episodes on Blog Talk Radio [just so you people know, it's not a video; but an online audio broadcast]. Yes, look at me "kapo" self on BTR. Boost the traffic up on my show. Good work.
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"Benyamin Solomon" has given our members another live example of the hopelessly twisted thinking of cowardly, self-hating Jews:
So the Arab Muslim Nazis who live in the land of Israel and who have supported a holocaust against the Jewish people for more than 100 years are "innocent people". The Arab Nazi political parties who openly call for Israel's destruction consistently win 95% or more of the Arab vote in the Knesset elections. These Arab "civilians" who are voting for parties that praise the terrorist mass murderers of Fatah, Hamas and Hezballah are "innocent people".
What utter ignorance of the Torah. When a war for survival is being waged, olive trees are more important than Jewish lives? Olive trees are more important than pikuach nefesh (saving lives)? If these olive trees provide income for Arab Nazis to be able to live in Israel and to be able to produce huge families, then they are a danger to Jewish lives.
Pathetic. The only non-Jewish residents that we must respect in the land according to the Torah are those who accept Jewish sovereignty and Jewish law, in other words, bnei Noach. The Torah commands us to expel the others. Moses, Joshua and King David would never have tolerated Arab Muslim Nazis living in the land of Israel.
So even though the Arab Muslim Nazis are genocidal, it is forbidden to vandalize their property. When wimpy Jews become self-haters, there is no limit to their insanity.
So Jews are not allowed to throw rocks at Arab "civilians" even though Arabs throw rocks at Jews day and night. Jews are not allowed to retaliate. Because right now, Tag Mechir are the only Jews who are retaliating and the only Jews who deal with the Arabs in a language they understand.
"Greater Israel cult" means keeping Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights which would make Israel about the size of New Jersey. Saying that Israel should be the size of New Jersey makes you part of a crazy "cult", according to this Judenrat kapo. Within these "Greater Israel" borders, the 66 nations of the Muslim world are still 2,000 times the size of tiny Israel. But even this is just too much land for the Jews, according to this endlessly appeasing worm.
One other point. The "Greater Israel cult" is Torah Judaism. The Torah actually commands us to liberate from the Nile to the Euphrates. Every time Jews commit the unforgivable crime of surrendering Jewish land or expelling Jews, it always leads to G-d's punishment.
Here again, Israel doesn't have the "morale or the resources" to be the size of New Jersey. Leftist traitors may refuse to serve in the IDF - big deal, these "soldiers" are a fifth column anyway. The best thing that could happen would be for the leftist traitors to refuse to serve. Better yet would be if they left Israel altogether.
True. Even the most liberal Americans never suggest that the U.S. surrender American land. You are way beyond liberal.
You are the immoral one because Jews like you leave the Jewish people defenseless. You are so worried about appeasing world opinion that you allow Jews to be murdered so as not to "look bad" in the eyes of the anti-Semites. You fail to realize that one of the biggest reasons for anti-Semitism is cowardice. People detest cowards. Jewish youth often assimilate and are ashamed to be Jewish because of cowardly behavior of Jews like you. People respect courageous fighters even if they disagree with them. I personally witnessed how Rabbi Meir Kahane was respected more than all of the other Jewish leaders because he was regarded as a courageous, principled, idealistic warrior. "Practical" Jewish wimps who are unprincipled opportunists and who are willing to abandon their own land just for a moment of peace are despised. The brave fighting Israeli of the 1967 Six Day War was officially condemned but privately respected by the world. The gutless "pragmatic" Jews like you are held in contempt.
But even if the world would be against us for doing what has to be done, it wouldn't matter. As Rabbi Kahane, the greatest Jewish leader of modern times, always said:
"I would rather have a strong Israel that the whole world hates than an Auschwitz that the whole world loves."
One last point. Many Israeli Jews love Tag Mechir. Below is a Hebrew video showing leftist reporters stunned to find virtually all of the passing Jews on the street in Jerusalem strongly applauding Tag Mechir. We in JTF cannot applaud them for legal reasons because we are a law-abiding organization. But we certainly do not condemn them. Many Israeli Jews, especially young Jews, adore them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrNd3hfGMM
Before saying anything else, let me say that you sound like a ridiculous nut job on your pathetic videos. And even the JDL disowns you:
"However, the choice made by JDL leadership in the past not to clearly denounce terrorism tarnished those great accomplishments, opening the organization up to subsequent blind accusations and guilt-by-association due to the misconduct of rogue ex-members like the despicable convicted terrorist, racist, coward and inveterate liar Victor Vancier."
http://yisrael.freeforums.org/harsh-words-from-the-jdl-against-victor-vancier-t679.html
I read the post on the JDL site; but that site is now down.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/godsslave/2013/12/24/the-cult-of-greater-israel
What a sick human being.
Calls the settlers whiny babies, what Gall!
I didn't call all the Israeli settlers "whiny babies". Just the Tag Machir types.
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Leave the Serbs out of this Joshua Rosenberg or Joshua Rosenberg's pall. You know goose egg about the Serbs. You or your chum are amok because nobody wanted to advertise your videos on the forums.
I didn't bring the Serbs into this. Just said what Chaim Ben Pesach calls them, idiot. Btw, I'm neither Joshua Rosenberg nor am I affiliated with him. I'm my own guy, moron.
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Before saying anything else, let me say that you sound like a ridiculous nut job on your pathetic videos. And even the JDL disowns you:
"However, the choice made by JDL leadership in the past not to clearly denounce terrorism tarnished those great accomplishments, opening the organization up to subsequent blind accusations and guilt-by-association due to the misconduct of rogue ex-members like the despicable convicted terrorist, racist, coward and inveterate liar Victor Vancier."
http://yisrael.freeforums.org/harsh-words-from-the-jdl-against-victor-vancier-t679.html
I read the post on the JDL site; but that site is now down.
That was posted by Steven Weigang (German Kahanist). I think everyone knows about him.
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I didn't call all the Israeli settlers "whiny babies". Just the Tag Machir types.
The ones who fight back are whiny babies, and I suppose dogs like you who whimper and whine about them all day are the heroes.
Kapo^^^ getting banned in 3...2...1...
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Binyamin, give it up dude... You are not convincing anyone that your opinion is to be respected.
If what the goyim think about you is so important you are a hellenist, and a traitor to the Jewish people. Just like the NK are traitors because they side with the mortal enemies of the Klal Yisroel, so too your defense of the indefensible is a glaring clue that you are a traitor also.
When a Jew stands up against the injustice which is shown to him from a gentile it is an act of Kiddush Hashem (Glorification of the name of G-d). For so many years our ancestors were abused at the hands of gentile nations and now we have a land where Jews should be able to live in peace.
Long before the modern state of Israel was established the muslim/arab masses still hated Jews, killed Jews, oppressed them with dhimmitude, and ridiculed Jews wherever they lived. We often relate the pogrom of Hevron in 1929 where arabs mercilessly massacred the Jewish population of Hevron.
Arab/muslims have been indoctrinated with viscous Jew hatred and have incorporated Nazi aspects into their routine (witness the Heil-Hitler salutes these jihadis made to terrorize Jews). No such indoctrination occurs in the Jewish education. Israel has tried to live alongside these fiends and found out that there is no peace with people who every day proclaim their desire to kill Jews.
If you are on their side, and do no commiserate with the Jews who are living with arabs who are terrorising them, then you are a failed Jew (if Jewish at all). I rebuke you for your lack of Ahavat Yisroel and your attempt to divide the Jewish people by singling out the settlers who live in unimaginable conditions in order to protect the land.
It is sad that there are people like you who come to JTF and spout this 'poor arab' narrative. It is this reason most JTF members consider you a 'troll'...
I agree that if you continue trolling you should be banned.
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I don't think he's a troll or should be banned, he's just a very uninformed Jew and he just needs to be convinced he's wrong.
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Once you start calling Chaim a maniac, there is a point of no return. He has crossed the dark side.
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Only a troll joins a forum he knowingly does not agree with for 99,9%.
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Once you start calling Chaim a maniac, there is a point of no return. He has crossed the dark side.
Oo... I bagged on your cult leader. How horrible of me. :'( :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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Only a troll joins a forum he knowingly does not agree with for 99,9%.
I joined this forum back in 2011, looking for right-wing Jewish forums. Well, that was then. But my views changed quite a bit [though I'm still ideologically right-wing]. I knew what I'll say about Tag Machir will cause an argument. But I said it anyway. So yes, I disagree with the views of this forum. There you go.
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Oo... I bagged on your cult leader. How horrible of me. :'( :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
Why did the Israelite's wonder the desert for 40 years?
Why was the second Temple destroyed?
Why is Moshiach not here?
Because of people like you!
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I didn't bring the Serbs into this. Just said what Chaim Ben Pesach calls them, idiot. Btw, I'm neither Joshua Rosenberg nor am I affiliated with him. I'm my own guy, moron.
Faggot idiot, fagot moron you are JOSHY the shi*head.
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Faggot idiot, fagot moron you are JOSHY the shi*head.
Do you think Solomon is Josh, or Josh is pretending to be someone else again?
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Do you think Solomon is Josh, or Josh is pretending to be someone else again?
This is a playact from Joshua. What is his JTF picture? A lion from wizard of oz. I bluntly say I found out about JTF because of the guy called Joshua Rosenberg who joined us on the Serbian forum, his first forum name was Bert Lahr and that is the guy who played Cowardly Lion in the wizard of oz. Benyamin Solomon guy has his picture as jtf picture, it is Zeke-The cowardly lion.
The posts B.S. has made here are pretty much similar to Joshua's as he was Bert Lahr. He confronts the JTF ideology in the same way Joshua did on Serbian forum. The same guy. And him calling me names behind Benyamin Solomon JTF account, comes from his bitterness ever since he got kicked out of Serbian forum.
This shrewd guy J.R-Benyamin Solomon used to tell us on the Serbian forum he is "sleepless and will be sleepless until the whole world finds out about calamity and unjustice JTF and Chaim Ben Pesach's have put him through".
Since nobody of us knew anything about JTF and since he was babbling and yapping about JTF every day, he was banned. He had no good intentions when he joined the Serbian forum, and he was oftentimes posting videos about Chaim Ben Pesach. We didn't need that circus.
But what he is doing is not going in his favor. In some way he promotes JTF online. He makes a frantic video about JTF, people don't know what he is talking about so they come to JTF website to see what is JTF about. I will not be waiting here for Benyamin's-Joshua's reply. I will warn people here that he is dangerous and will make JTFers believe he is not Joshua. He should know I have his IP address as an admin of the Serbian forum.
Deny, deny Benyamin Solomon that you aren't Joshua Rosenberg. You are a wreck.
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Where does his ip come from? Australia or America?
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Don't think he's Joshua. He seems to be his own person and his own Facebook site and blogs.
Not entirely sure if he's Jewish or a wanna be.
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Oo... I bagged on your cult leader. How horrible of me. :'( :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
Chaim has done more for the Jewish people in a single day than you'll ever do in 2 minutes, you self-hating loser.
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Why did the Israelite's wonder the desert for 40 years?
Why was the second Temple destroyed?
Why is Moshiach not here?
Because of people like you!
But Chaim Ben Pesach is not the Moshiach. As for why the Temple [the second one to be more exact] was destroyed, it was because of baseless hatred, which stems from people like you. I would say more; but Shabbat is almost here. Anyway, good Shabbos.
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Don't worry to much solomon. While the people on this forum may have ideologically correct views, most of them have never lived in the land of Israel. They have no idea what sort of position it will put you in with society at large to go with the right wing settler ideal. Believe me, I know of what I speak. I have lived in Israel. Before you get all Kahanist, you might want to actually meet and talk to people that grew up in the same building as him, or see his widow's home in Jerusalem. It is cool to stand up for Israel, but if you meet the older right wing settler types, some of them are depressed and I have met at least one who regrets being a part of Kahanism. It will marginalize you and isolate you from secular society. If you are into right wing Jewish activism, you better be prepared to say goodbye to secular society and know that once you cross the line, there may be no way back. For some people who are young and religious and have lots of friends who are similar this may be ok. But realize that if you were not raised religious, getting involved with this stuff is a bit dangerous. Kahane was right and he was a pretty good leader, but he is pointing to a religious fundamentalist state of Israel. None of his ideas really work unless you agree that violating shabbat is a grave desecration, worthy of death. If you have family who are intermarried, you might not want to get involved because it will create an impossible contradiction in your mind.
To call Jews who live in Ramat Hasharon or the nice suburbs of Israel 'self hating' is madness. These people are mostly healthy, happy and live nice regular lives. I know because I lived there for a while. Just because they aren't strictly religious and want to live regular lives does not make them traitors. Also, not all arabs in the land are bad. I have personally met and drank with a few and many of them are not interested in fanaticism and want the same thing most young men want, mainly, to go to bars, drink and meet women. They will openly curse mohammed for a shot of whiskey. Some are pissed that their lives are governed by these laws and traditions. They are simply human. The other ones, the bad ones are annoying, but if you work out and know how to fight, they will not mess with you. I have walked through arab neighborhoods with hundreds of them in the streets during the height of cast lead. The situation with arab guys and Jewish women is [censored] and I don't know what to say about that. Other arabs are construction workers...most of the buildings being built in Jerusalem and surrounding areas are being constructed by arab construction crews. Every single person on JTF should go live in Israel and try living the life of a right wing extremist before they criticize people who have doubts. You can get all hateful and ban people as traitors, but the fact is, unless you have tried to walk the walk, you are a keyboard jockey.
Yes we should wipe out the terrorists if possible...
I don't think Israel should give up land, but "The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will." currently we don't have a king, we have a government. Tag Mahir is ok I guess but nothing to get excited about. If you want to know the hard truth, listen to someone like Pollard "It's all about money". Get a job, make money and raise a family. The extremists on both sides will be fighting about this for a long time. There are economic considerations on a scale most of us probably cannot imagine. The politicians have to keep the economy stable.
Explain to me how it is that the secular zionists built the entire state and economy and how can you refer to them as self hating? They sound like practical geniuses to me.
I could tell you a lot about living in Israel. For every new idealistic person who makes Aliyah, there are many leaving...I have met children of 'Baal Tshuvas' who would like to kill all the Charedim and who are in counseling for the state of mind the rabbinical religion led them to. I have met Yeshiva rabbis who don't seem happy they chose that life. There are a lot of great things about Israel and the people were mostly very warm and friendly...but if you go there with a hard core kahanist state of mind, be prepared. Be prepared to forgo all the pleasures of life and be left with nothing except the creed arabs out, Israel for the Jews. And I wouldn't get too excited about Judaism either. There are many competing sects and much of it is mired in the most hideous superstition. Yes, hideous. Spiritualists taking money for kabbalistic things this that. Jews say Christianity is so evil blah blah blah...Chief rabbis supporting the idea of Torah study without earning a living. For the person who looks at it objectively, there is much the same sorts of 'mini deifications' of rabbis and leaders in Judaism.
JTF is good for encouraging Jews to make Aliyah but beyond that it has the potential to mess with your social life and you will not be integrated well with society if you are young and think it is better to skip the IDF and be some sort of settler. Actually I think it is better to encourage young Jews to go serve in the IDF and then decide if they want to live in Israel.
There is a great bustling life there full of hi-tech business, beaches, parties, music, bars, women...the only rule as far as I can see to being successful in Israel is make money, give charity and have a family. If you get all superior about religion you are dead to that world and I think it has something to offer. If you want to listen to a good person whose teaching could maybe change the situation you might want to look up walid shoebat on youtube. I think the difference will come through education and showing people that Islam is the antichrist. We have the prophecies about them...it will probably come to pass eventually. Hmmm, yeah anyways, JTFers should try living in Israel before they yell at everyone. As I said, ideologically you are correct about the situation but socially you have little idea were this may lead you. You think you can go into a bar and have a drink or start business contacts once you have openly professed extremism? Have some compassion for the Israelites who want to live a full life and who don't want to spend their life arguing over land and religion. I dunno...the whole situation is kind of fked. You think moschiach will come and fix it all? I have met a potential Judean monarch and I doubt he can do it.
Tell me, who is the mosiach, this man of fame and wisdom who will come to the world and be more renowned than Jesus? Look through history and you will see how many false messiahs there have been, how every single time since 2000 yrs Jews have put their hope in a messiah it has been a failure. What is the story going to be? ...And messiah came...his name was Chaim Ben Yoseph?
Chaim is a good guy for working to get the soviet jews out, I'll give him that much...but I think he oversteps a lot...a lot calling all sorts of people traitors and invoking gehinnom. Gehinnom is a serious thing and not some curse to be thrown around lightly to all of your opponents, especially Jews. It is not a good habit to get into.
Well good luck trying to convince all of Israel to become Torah observant and enforce Torah law. I tried to be a bal tshuva following JTF ideology and the results were not quite what I was looking for in life. It is not the fault of JTF or Chaim, but let's just say I was happier before I even thought about becoming like some frummer kahanist type.
You have been here before claiming the JTF ruined your life and you wanted to commit suicide. You probably are Joshua R.
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But Chaim Ben Pesach is not the Moshiach. As for why the Temple [the second one to be more exact] was destroyed, it was because of baseless hatred, which stems from people like you. I would say more; but Shabbat is almost here. Anyway, good Shabbos.
I never freaking said he was Moshiach, but he is my friend and the leader. So If you attack him, I will attack you. I don't hate anyone d*ck, I love everyone unless you make me your enemy and I still don't hate them. We are not forcing anything on anyone. We are encouraging people to follow Torah law the best they can, but we hope everyone will eventually fully follow Torah law. We even have secular Israeli's on this forum, and they express what they think... so you two can stop with your spitting of venom to make us look bad. Stick around and debate with out all the hate for us. Maybe we can both learn something, if not.. F off.
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Life ain't a bowl of cherries, Aliyah5... Nobody ever said it would be. And the grass is always greener in the other mans pasture... But that doesn't excuse any Jew from his obligation to support the Jewish people and their quest for a Jewish nation.
I am not as concerned about a persons level of observance because I believe as time goes on more and more people will realize that the commandments are only for their good. What is first and foremost is to bring the Jewish people together, to unify them in purpose.
Rabbi Kahane was not, according to his own words, one who wanted to force Halacha on the Israeli population. Once Israel becomes a true 'Jewish State' where Jews can live in peace without worry from enemies like the nazi arabs it will then concentrate on educating the people as to their mission before G-d.
The Israeli's I speak with do consider Kahane a tzadik (righteous) and that he was right in his approach to Jewish continuity. I believe this is spreading and it worries the secular and self-hating Jewish leaders in Israel.
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Welcome to the forum aliya5. There is a lot I want to respond regarding your diatribe.
First and formost, you make too many assumptions. Secondly no one here including Chaim had ever said that the life of a right wing activist any where including Israel was easy. Thirdly, unless you plan on being a right wing activist, it is best to leave one's political points of view to oneself unless asked.
Some of us have families and live well and have careers. We help JTF by donating money to the movement to spread the word of Jewish idealism and to change viewpoints. Not everyone needs to be a right wing settler pioneer. But Gd help us all, I will support those individuals anyway I can. And this is another thing JTF does.
So aliya5, you have it all wrong about what you assume of us.
Jews should speak and behave the ideal. Yes none of us is perfect nor will come close. But that's the nature of Judaism when introduced to the secular minded.
Personally I would rather know the idealism than bury my head in the sand. And yes I will interact with all people of races and political leanings. Sometimes I will keep my mouth shut and sometimes I will speak. And when I speak it depends on the audience. Kahane knew this and Chaim knows this.
So get off the booz and move on with life.
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Let me guess, this is Stephanie Weifag and Peter Nosack.
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Let me guess, this is Stephanie Weifag and Peter Nosack.
Who's Peter Nosack?
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Where does his ip come from? Australia or America?
Who knows.
When he was on the Serbian forum, his IP addresses were variable or mutable. That sly guy had IP addresses coming from Frisco-Texas, Hamilton-New Zealand, Karlsruhe-Germany.
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Who's Peter Nosack?
Kovacs
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Oh yes him, I think I still have his address if anyone wants it.
Also I have a picture of him and his cousin somewhere.
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I never freaking said he was Moshiach, but he is my friend and the leader. So If you attack him, I will attack you. I don't hate anyone d*ck, I love everyone unless you make me your enemy and I still don't hate them. We are not forcing anything on anyone. We are encouraging people to follow Torah law the best they can, but we hope everyone will eventually fully follow Torah law. We even have secular Israeli's on this forum, and they express what they think... so you two can stop with your spitting of venom to make us look bad. Stick around and debate with out all the hate for us. Maybe we can both learn something, if not.. F off.
If you want a civil debate, then let's have it. You or Chaim or anyone else can come to the next show I have on BTR [Blog Talk Radio] anytime for all I care. And we'll discuss whether Tag Machir is right or not. Whether they should be condemned or not. But the problem is that you people aren't interested in civil debate. You people call me all sorts of names "Kapo", "self-hating Jew"; the list is endless. And you guys were obsessing over me because I disagree with you on Tag Machir. And you even said that you'll have a physical fight with me. Speaking of civil discussion, all of Chaim's videos are him viciously attacking people he disagrees with and spewing hate. So you want a civil discussion. Change your rhetoric. Anytime I do a show on BTR, Chaim or anyone else can call in and we can debate the issues in a civilized manner.
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Tell me this Benyamin Solomon. If the Arabs in Israel stop fighting and just keep making more and more babies, become the majority and vote Israel out of existence do they have a right to do so if they do it peacefully?
Serious question.
Actually, the demographic time bomb argument has been used by the left in favor of Israel making territorial concessions. I think that it largely gets exaggerated [for Jews have higher fertility rates than Arabs]. But in any case, as long as there is peace with a two state solution, Jews can still maintain their majority status in Israel [for excluding the territories, Jews are 80% of Israel's population]. But here's an interesting post on the demographic time bomb scenario:
http://www.justpeaceforisrael.com/demographic_time_bomb_myth/
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Response to crazy maniac and cult leader Chaim Ben Pesach:
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"Benyamin Solomon" has given our members another live example of the hopelessly twisted thinking of cowardly, self-hating Jews:
So the Arab Muslim Nazis who live in the land of Israel and who have supported a holocaust against the Jewish people for more than 100 years are "innocent people". The Arab Nazi political parties who openly call for Israel's destruction consistently win 95% or more of the Arab vote in the Knesset elections. These Arab "civilians" who are voting for parties that praise the terrorist mass murderers of Fatah, Hamas and Hezballah are "innocent people".
No, the Arab Nazis aren't innocent people. But the Arabs, who aren't terrorists, are innocent people
What utter ignorance of the Torah. When a war for survival is being waged, olive trees are more important than Jewish lives? Olive trees are more important than pikuach nefesh (saving lives)? If these olive trees provide income for Arab Nazis to be able to live in Israel and to be able to produce huge families, then they are a danger to Jewish lives.
But there is no pikuach nefesh involved when it comes to destroying olive trees. Which lives did it save?
Pathetic. The only non-Jewish residents that we must respect in the land according to the Torah are those who accept Jewish sovereignty and Jewish law, in other words, bnei Noach. The Torah commands us to expel the others. Moses, Joshua and King David would never have tolerated Arab Muslim Nazis living in the land of Israel.
Yea, the Torah did say that the non-Jews [in Israel] were to live according to the Noahide laws [the non-Jews out of Israel were to lie according to the Noahide laws as well] and respect Jewish sovereignty. That's true. But do you have any proof that Moses, Joshua, and King David would have expelled all the Arab residents [don't mean just the terrorists]? In any case, modern Israel as of today is not the same as biblical Israel [but that's not to write off Moses, Joshua, and King David; for they were all inspirational heroic G-d fearing leaders]. These are different times. Back in the times of the Tanakh, idolatry threatened the spirituality of the people of Israel. The character of the modern state is quite different from biblical Israel.
So even though the Arab Muslim Nazis are genocidal, it is forbidden to vandalize their property. When wimpy Jews become self-haters, there is no limit to their insanity.
No. It's forbidden to damage property of innocent people. I wasn't talking about Arab terrorists. I know that you think they're all the same. Yes, I understand that the Islamo-Fascist Nazi-like terrorists [like Hamas] are in control of the "Palestinian" society. And I think that Israel has not only the right, but also the duty, to defend herself against the Arab Muslim terrorist barbarians. But that doesn't mean that every single Arab or Muslim is a terrorist.
So Jews are not allowed to throw rocks at Arab "civilians" even though Arabs throw rocks at Jews day and night. Jews are not allowed to retaliate. Because right now, Tag Mechir are the only Jews who are retaliating and the only Jews who deal with the Arabs in a language they understand.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Arab terrorists are genocidal to the core doesn't mean that Tag Machir has a right to retaliate against innocent people. Many times, Tag Machir retaliates not so much against Arab terrorism; but in retaliation to Israeli Government policies that they don't like. And many times they attack those who have nothing to do with the Israeli Government's decision.
"Greater Israel cult" means keeping Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights which would make Israel about the size of New Jersey. Saying that Israel should be the size of New Jersey makes you part of a crazy "cult", according to this Judenrat kapo. Within these "Greater Israel" borders, the 66 nations of the Muslim world are still 2,000 times the size of tiny Israel. But even this is just too much land for the Jews, according to this endlessly appeasing worm.
One other point. The "Greater Israel cult" is Torah Judaism. The Torah actually commands us to liberate from the Nile to the Euphrates. Every time Jews commit the unforgivable crime of surrendering Jewish land or expelling Jews, it always leads to G-d's punishment.
Again, the modern state of Israel is not biblical Israel. In fact, some Orthodox Jews are against Israel existing prior to the Moshiach coming [I strongly and vehemently disagree with that viewpoint; just so everyone knows].The point is that Israel can not return to being "biblical Israel" prior to the Moshiach coming because, for one thing, that would mean rebuilding the Beit Hamikdash, which is a result of the Moshiach coming. As of now, there is no practical way for Israel to get all the territory "from the Nile to the Euphrates." And no one in Israel is even thinking about that. As of now, there is no contradiction between the Torah and the two-state solution, as long as the two-state solution brings peace. I'm not endorsing the two-state solution. As seen from the history, I'm pessimistic about the two-state solution bringing peace because the "Palestinians" use any territory they receive as a terrorist base, thusly resulting in terrorism on Israel increasing. But if a two-state solution does bring an end to the conflict, then that would mean that it would be permitted at least because of Pikuach Nefesh because it means an end to people dying.
Here again, Israel doesn't have the "morale or the resources" to be the size of New Jersey. Leftist traitors may refuse to serve in the IDF - big deal, these "soldiers" are a fifth column anyway. The best thing that could happen would be for the leftist traitors to refuse to serve. Better yet would be if they left Israel altogether.
So the IDF is a "fifth column" and only Chaim Ben Pesach and his little cult know what's good for Israel. :::D Yes, if Israel would pursue a greater Israel agenda, the ranks of the left would grow and so would the number of those who refuse to serve the IDF. They're not going to leave the country. But they will grow if Israel pursues a "greater Israel" agenda. Part of the problem is that Israelis, when defending their country, have to deal with tough moral scenarios over how to best defend Israel and respect the civilian Arab population in the territories. Yes, some of what the IDF and the Shin Bet has to do for Israel's security bothers their conscience. And it'll create more problems if Israel pursues the "Greater Israel" agenda.
True. Even the most liberal Americans never suggest that the U.S. surrender American land. You are way beyond liberal.
I'm not talking about America. I'm talking about being pragmatic vs. being stuck with your ideological vision. I used to believe in the Greater Israel agenda. I still support it ideologically; but as of now, reality can not meet with the ideological ideal.
You are the immoral one because Jews like you leave the Jewish people defenseless. You are so worried about appeasing world opinion that you allow Jews to be murdered so as not to "look bad" in the eyes of the anti-Semites. You fail to realize that one of the biggest reasons for anti-Semitism is cowardice. People detest cowards. Jewish youth often assimilate and are ashamed to be Jewish because of cowardly behavior of Jews like you. People respect courageous fighters even if they disagree with them. I personally witnessed how Rabbi Meir Kahane was respected more than all of the other Jewish leaders because he was regarded as a courageous, principled, idealistic warrior. "Practical" Jewish wimps who are unprincipled opportunists and who are willing to abandon their own land just for a moment of peace are despised. The brave fighting Israeli of the 1967 Six Day War was officially condemned but privately respected by the world. The gutless "pragmatic" Jews like you are held in contempt.
I already think that all of Jerusalem is Israel's capital. I'm opposed to Israel returning back to the pre-1967 borders. I already think that Israel should defend herself, regardless of what the world says. I don't want to appease the anti-Semites. But I don't support vandalizing property and attacking innocent people in the name of being courageous. Because that, in reality, is cowardice.
But even if the world would be against us for doing what has to be done, it wouldn't matter. As Rabbi Kahane, the greatest Jewish leader of modern times, always said:
"I would rather have a strong Israel that the whole world hates than an Auschwitz that the whole world loves."
Yes, a strong Israel. Is Israel "strong" enough to carry out the "Greater Israel" agenda? No. Most Israelis are sick and tired of conflict.
One last point. Many Israeli Jews love Tag Mechir. Below is a Hebrew video showing leftist reporters stunned to find virtually all of the passing Jews on the street in Jerusalem strongly applauding Tag Mechir. We in JTF cannot applaud them for legal reasons because we are a law-abiding organization. But we certainly do not condemn them. Many Israeli Jews, especially young Jews, adore them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrNd3hfGMM
So one video showing some Israelis allegedly supporting Tag Machir says nothing. Generally speaking, most Israelis condemn tag Machir. Even most Jewish residents in Judea and Samaria condemn Tag Machir. In fact, settler leaders have come out denouncing Tag Machir:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_tag_policy
http://www.vosizneias.com/32682/2009/06/02/israel-rabbi-harshly-condemns-violence-by-jewish-hooligans-against-arabs/
“What happened yesterday is not violation of law and order – it’s much worse,”
-Rabbi Menachem Fruman, Rabbi of Tekoa [Jewish community in the "West Bank" and one of the leading religious figures among Israeli settlers]. Rabbi Fruman called the Tag Machir attackers "hooligans". So the fact is that the settler leaders are embarrassed by Tag Machir for conforming into the stereotypes that the international community has of them. Case closed.
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Sorry you just got fired from your job, Stephanie. Maybe you'd feel better about your situation if you did something else with all this newfound time on your hands.
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Sorry you just got fired from your job, Stephanie. Maybe you'd feel better about your situation if you did something else with all this newfound time on your hands.
I'm not Stephanie. You JTF cult worshippers just obsess over your opponents. Anyway, I saw a hilarious video about your cult leader:
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sorry i didn't mean to be politically incorrect i didn't mean rape I meant take captive brides :)
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Steven and Peter, you really need some hobbies (besides gay orgies and trolling the internet).
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Steven and Peter, you really need some hobbies (besides gay orgies and trolling the internet).
I'm neither Steven or Peter. lol
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If you want a civil debate, then let's have it. You or Chaim or anyone else can come to the next show I have on BTR [Blog Talk Radio] anytime for all I care. And we'll discuss whether Tag Machir is right or not. Whether they should be condemned or not. But the problem is that you people aren't interested in civil debate. You people call me all sorts of names "Kapo", "self-hating Jew"; the list is endless. And you guys were obsessing over me because I disagree with you on Tag Machir. And you even said that you'll have a physical fight with me. Speaking of civil discussion, all of Chaim's videos are him viciously attacking people he disagrees with and spewing hate. So you want a civil discussion. Change your rhetoric. Anytime I do a show on BTR, Chaim or anyone else can call in and we can debate the issues in a civilized manner.
You shouldn't call people keyboard warriors, but where did I say that... :::D
I would like to see any proof you have that Tag Machir attacked innocent people.
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This thread is getting funnier and funnier each day :::D
Peter Kovacs
That's the bloke who has a collection of 200 sunglasses. On facebook he brags about hating JTF, hating the Serbs and being obsessed with sunglasses. I assume that is what Hungarians do. So they want to chime in here on the forum. wow lol
Kovacs in a debate about Israel on facebook, not a very sharp bloke :>>
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=550856368330974&set=a.103649969718285.8131.100002198476592&type=1&theater
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You shouldn't call people keyboard warriors, but where did I say that... :::D
Ok. Whatever.
I would like to see any proof you have that Tag Machir attacked innocent people.
Proof? Look at their actions. But I'll bring case examples since that's not enough:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-stabbed-in-hebron-hills-in-suspected-price-tag-attack-1.350898
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/palestinian-laborer-beaten-in-suspected-price-tag-attack-1.349896
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jerusalem-christians-are-latest-targets-in-recent-spate-of-price-tag-attacks-1.413848
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_price_tag_attacks
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^ Those are all leftist pro Palestine(doesn't exist) news sources! :::D
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I'm not Stephanie. You JTF cult worshippers just obsess over your opponents. Anyway, I saw a hilarious video about your cult leader:
Benny you seem like a troll.
Why do you come on Chaim's site & bash him?
Let me state that their are things I disagree with Chaim on,but 99 % of the time I agree with him wholeheartedly.
What minor things I may disagree with him him on I would do so in respectful & honorable way.
As the late great Rabbi Meir Kahane,ZT"L,HY"D,ZY"A said,"Name calling is the the last refuge of a non-thinker."
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Benny you seem like a troll.
As the late great Rabbi Meir Kahane,ZT"L,HY"D,ZY"A said,"Name calling is the the last refuge of a non-thinker."
Then I guess Chaim Ben Pesach and his followers are way beyond finding that last refuge because all they ever do is name calling [watch Chaim's videos and see the nasty things he says about people and groups of people]. I've been called names here [called "Kapo", "self-hating loser", and many other "lovely" names] for condemning Tag Machir. Apparently, name calling is only a last refuge if someone who disagrees with Chaim does it. If not, then it's ok. I have more to say. But I just had to get this out because I find it really ironic when a JTF cult worshipper lectures people about name calling.
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Then I guess Chaim Ben Pesach and his followers are way beyond finding that last refuge because all they ever do is name calling [watch Chaim's videos and see the nasty things he says about people and groups of people]. I've been called names here [called "Kapo", "self-hating loser", and many other "lovely" names] for condemning Tag Machir. Apparently, name calling is only a last refuge if someone who disagrees with Chaim does it. If not, then it's ok. I have more to say. But I just had to get this out because I find it really ironic when a JTF cult worshipper lectures people about name calling.
First of all I worship only Hashem.
Next if you are here to to attack Chaim & others why be here?
What did you ever do to help Jews?
Chaim sat in years in prison for fighting for Soviet Jewry.
What did you ever do?
Did you ever sacrafice your safety & freedom for fellow Jews?
I think not.
I have know Chaim for 40 years & have disagreed with him on many things but I agree with him on more things than not.
The man paid his dues so show some mediocrum of respect
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First of all I worship only Hashem.
Next if you are here to to attack Chaim & others why be here?
What did you ever do to help Jews?
Chaim sat in years in prison for fighting for Soviet Jewry.
What did you ever do?
Did you ever sacrafice your safety & freedom for fellow Jews?
I think not.
I have know Chaim for 40 years & have disagreed with him on many things but I agree with him on more things than not.
The man paid his dues so show some mediocrum of respect
I only worship Hashem as well. I joined this forum back in 2011, looking for right-wing Jewish forums. My views changed quite a bit (though Im still ideologically right-wing). I know I'm probably
wasting my time sayig this. But they started attacking me because I denounced Tag Machir.
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1. http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57622.msg624908.html#msg624908
2. http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57622.msg624999.html#msg624999
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I'm neither Steven or Peter. lol
OK then if you are not Stephanie you're Ben Mizrachi. In fact I am quite sure that's who you are.
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The Judenrat kapo "Benyamin Solomon" who hates any Jew that defends himself is banned.
This self-hating worm came here immediately calling courageous Jewish kids who risk their lives living on remote hilltops surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arab Nazis "cowards". We are not allowed legally to applaud the young fighters of Tag Mechir, but there is no question that it takes a lot of guts for unarmed Jewish teenagers to go into Arab terrorist villages and neighborhoods in the middle of the night to retaliate for the murder of innocent Jews. That is what the young Jews of Tag Mechir have done hundreds of times. This spineless serpent living in New York calls them names and curses them for giving the Arab Nazis a taste of their own medicine.
As I stated earlier, even the Arabs of pre-1967 Israel vote 95% or more for Arab Nazi parties that openly call for Israel's extermination. But the traitor Benyamin calls these Arab Nazis "innocent". Since Benyamin is a rat who wants to inform on his fellow Jews in Tag Mechir, we pray against creatures like him three times a day in the Shmone Esre.
Good riddance, traitor. In the next world, you will be together with the "innocent" Arab Muslim Nazis that you so love.
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The Judenrat kapo "Benyamin Solomon" who hates any Jew that defends himself is banned.
This self-hating worm came here immediately calling courageous Jewish kids who risk their lives living on remote hilltops surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arab Nazis "cowards". We are not allowed legally to applaud the young fighters of Tag Mechir, but there is no question that it takes a lot of guts for unarmed Jewish teenagers to go into Arab terrorist villages and neighborhoods in the middle of the night to retaliate for the murder of innocent Jews. That is what the young Jews of Tag Mechir have done hundreds of times. This spineless serpent living in New York calls them names and curses them for giving the Arab Nazis a taste of their own medicine.
As I stated earlier, even the Arabs of pre-1967 Israel vote 95% or more for Arab Nazi parties that openly call for Israel's extermination. But the traitor Benyamin calls these Arab Nazis "innocent". Since Benyamin is a rat who wants to inform on his fellow Jews in Tag Mechir, we pray against creatures like him three times a day in the Shmone Esre.
Good riddance, traitor. In the next world, you will be together with the "innocent" Arab Muslim Nazis that you so love.
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Did he actually choose the cowardly lion as his own avatar? Because that's ironic, don't you think?
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The Judenrat kapo "Benyamin Solomon" who hates any Jew that defends himself is banned.
This self-hating worm came here immediately calling courageous Jewish kids who risk their lives living on remote hilltops surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arab Nazis "cowards". We are not allowed legally to applaud the young fighters of Tag Mechir, but there is no question that it takes a lot of guts for unarmed Jewish teenagers to go into Arab terrorist villages and neighborhoods in the middle of the night to retaliate for the murder of innocent Jews. That is what the young Jews of Tag Mechir have done hundreds of times. This spineless serpent living in New York calls them names and curses them for giving the Arab Nazis a taste of their own medicine.
As I stated earlier, even the Arabs of pre-1967 Israel vote 95% or more for Arab Nazi parties that openly call for Israel's extermination. But the traitor Benyamin calls these Arab Nazis "innocent". Since Benyamin is a rat who wants to inform on his fellow Jews in Tag Mechir, we pray against creatures like him three times a day in the Shmone Esre.
Good riddance, traitor. In the next world, you will be together with the "innocent" Arab Muslim Nazis that you so love.
So just who was this beast Chaim? Stephanie? Joshua Rosenfag? Ben Miznazi?
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I have been adding a lot of people on Facebook that I don't know, and sharing our video's. I noticed that a lot of people are friends with Weigang. ..
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Did he actually choose the cowardly lion as his own avatar? Because that's ironic, don't you think?
Common tactic to bait an expected response.