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Kahanist Singles => Jewish Singles => Topic started by: Ari on June 24, 2007, 08:46:18 PM
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In an ideal world I agree with Yacov and C.F. that it would be great and noble to find a "pure" woman to wed. The question is in this society is this really possible, barring very unusual circumstances, especially as one gets older? If you do believe it is still possible, where do you suggest one look for such a prize? It would seem to me about as rare as winning the lottery, though I am sometimes cynical by nature. I guess if you were raised very religiously from a young age it is more likely. However, keep in mind, I was brought up in so-called Conservative Judaism (yes I have to admit this unfortunately) and have only become more involved in true Torah Judaism more recently. Also, do you believe women can be forgiven if you find out they have a rather promiscuous nature. Some people might view this as a minor character flaw, but I find it rather disgusting and have a hard time putting it out of my mind. In the past, I have stopped dating women immediately when they gave clues of their past lewd conduct. Some people thought I was being a prude, but I guess I have a hard time over-looking this. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Hope all are well.
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Yes, Yacov. I agree, but since I am almost 30 I imagine most of the religious women around my age are probably married already. How young a women do you think I could marry at my age?
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Why don't you have your rabbi set you up with someone?
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Sounds like a good idea, Yacov. I had similar thoughts.
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The problem with orthodox (moreso ultra-orthodox) is that alot of their marriages are arranged and they get married young.
The Talmud says that a non-virgin is only worth half of a virgin in terms of the marriage dowry I think. Promiscuous women are a blight on womanhood.
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In an ideal world I agree with Yacov and C.F. that it would be great and noble to find a "pure" woman to wed. The question is in this society is this really possible, barring very unusual circumstances, especially as one gets older? If you do believe it is still possible, where do you suggest one look for such a prize? It would seem to me about as rare as winning the lottery, though I am sometimes cynical by nature. I guess if you were raised very religiously from a young age it is more likely. However, keep in mind, I was brought up in so-called Conservative Judaism (yes I have to admit this unfortunately) and have only become more involved in true Torah Judaism more recently. Also, do you believe women can be forgiven if you find out they have a rather promiscuous nature. Some people might view this as a minor character flaw, but I find it rather disgusting and have a hard time putting it out of my mind. In the past, I have stopped dating women immediately when they gave clues of their past lewd conduct. Some people thought I was being a prude, but I guess I have a hard time over-looking this. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Hope all are well.
I was the most vile piece of excrement at one time, certainly someone who did not deserve such a blessing, but God blessed me with a virgin wife, who was in her 30's when we married. In no way shape or form did I deserve that. Pray, my friends, pray. But I would also like to add, any woman that truly turns from her sins and puts her life in Gods hands should be looked upon as no different than a virgin. Some virgins might be evil people, or have real sin issues in other areas. I knew a lovely Christian woman in Europe who was a missionary's wife. He was American and she was British. I almost fell out of my chair when, after knowing them for a short while, she told us she was a prostitute at one time. I still don't believe it. This woman was very special. It was very clear that God can work changes we cannot even comprehend.
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I will play devil's advocate here for a moment.
I've read account of young women who are technically virgins (with intact hymens) who have nonetheless engaged in oral and anal sex, wanting to save "the real thing" for marriage. To me, those women are NOT virgins, but sluts.
What do you all say?
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I will play devil's advocate here for a moment.
I've read account of young women who are technically virgins (with intact hymens) who have nonetheless engaged in oral and anal sex, wanting to save "the real thing" for marriage. To me, those women are NOT virgins, but sluts.
What do you all say?
Yes, I agree. There is even a rhyme about such mentality, but I will spare you ;)
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I will play devil's advocate here for a moment.
I've read account of young women who are technically virgins (with intact hymens) who have nonetheless engaged in oral and anal sex, wanting to save "the real thing" for marriage. To me, those women are NOT virgins, but sluts.
What do you all say?
According to Jewish law, a woman who engages in anal sex, is no longer considered to be a virgin. Intact hymen or not.
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According to Jewish law, a woman who engages in anal sex, is no longer considered to be a virgin. Intact hymen or not.
A women who CONSENTUALLY performs Anal Sex is no longer a Women but a BEAST !
A man who performs Anal Sex has been to JAIL one to many TIMES ! :D :o :o
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It is important for un-married men to be virgins as well and i respect those who are.
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I will play devil's advocate here for a moment.
I've read account of young women who are technically virgins (with intact hymens) who have nonetheless engaged in oral and anal sex, wanting to save "the real thing" for marriage. To me, those women are NOT virgins, but sluts.
What do you all say?
Do you really need ask us, lol? These sluts are fooling only themselves, and I doubt even they buy what they are doing.
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Oral and anal sex are absolutely forbidden, even in marriage.
Scripture please?
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Well i am unsure since all of the men i have been out with are gentiles, this is because i was not raised in a Jewish household! Should i therefore only go on to date Jewish men? A certain ex-member (gentile) liked to smack Jewish women about and had once been a male escort - is this really the type of people on this forum, i hope not!
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i dont think you should meried somone 18 years old.
mabey somone 25-20 years old...at least.
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They are forbidden because you are not allowed to spill your seed. The seed can only go into the woman during vaginal sex. Masturbation is also wrong for the same reason. I assume anal sex is also bad because it is abnormal.
I understand that you are coming from Judaic teachings, but you still did not show me any verses or quotes. Masturbation is sinful because it is lustful. How can lovemaking between husband and wife be lustful?
You are not allowed to kiss genitals so you can't perform oral sex on a woman either.
I think that Song of Songs might beg to differ on that.
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And not to get too graphic here but how is performing oral sex on a woman wasting seed?
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And not to get too graphic here but how is performing oral sex on a woman wasting seed?
Hard for me to see that, lol. :laugh:
BTW even if no contraception of any kind is used the majority of vaginal sex acts do not result in any conception. Isn't that wasting seed too?
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And not to get too graphic here but how is performing oral sex on a woman wasting seed?
Don't need those images.
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I think finding a virgin to marry and waiting until marriage for sex is a wonderful and admireable thing. Good luck!
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Well, wish me luck there. It isn't easy. :-\
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Marry as young as possible. You can marry an 18 year old if you want. They get married young and have many kids. If you can support a family, maybe they would want an older man.
I agree that maybe you should be on the look out for a younger gal who wants a big family and a traditional lifestyle. An older man might be right up her alley.
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Well, wish me luck there. It isn't easy. :-\
Yes I'm sure. Although really if you only want a virgin it really narrows down your options. Can't have someone with children already who are divorced or divorced period. Can't have someone who did something stupid one time. You know?
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BTW even if no contraception of any kind is used the majority of vaginal sex acts do not result in any conception. Isn't that wasting seed too?
Observant Jews are prohibited from having intimate relations two weeks out of each month. This is due to the woman's monthly cycle. I think they say two weeks instead of one just to be on the safe side, but then again, one of the more observant Jews would know more about that than I would. Another reason I think is so the husband and wife can appreciate each other more.
Now regarding the remaining two weeks of the month, I am not a doctor, so I can't say for sure whether or not each act of intimacy in that timeframe would result in a pregnancy, or not.
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And not to get too graphic here but how is performing oral sex on a woman wasting seed?
you ARE to graphic :(
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Observant Jews are prohibited from having intimate relations two weeks out of each month.
Yes, I know that. But Yacov said that non-procreative intercourse is forbidden for everybody (Gentiles included). So, by his standards, is it sinful for a married couple past childbearing age to make love?
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I don't know if these Rabbinical restrictions apply to Gentiles plus I think kissing is permitted.
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Sorry i have just looked at what i posted in the early hours of the morning, and could i just clarify that i did not mean i have had sexual relationships with gentile men - just to clarify that!
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While i'm here then i have a question that a person who i met on this forum has asked me to pass on....
"This question of oral sex is fascinating. I had always thought that having sex with one's partner was one of the joys of Judaism and one thing that set Judaism apart from the puritanism of other religions. It is a holy thing to spend a Sabbath having sex with the person you are married to. I see no prohibitions against engaging in forms of sexual activity if you are married to that person. Can anyone point out the sources that say you should not touch your partner's genitals with your mouth? "
Ok well there you go, am not feeling to great today think i might go get some fruit....
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While i'm here then i have a question that a person who i met on this forum has asked me to pass on....
"This question of oral sex is fascinating. I had always thought that having sex with one's partner was one of the joys of Judaism and one thing that set Judaism apart from the puritanism of other religions. It is a holy thing to spend a Sabbath having sex with the person you are married to. I see no prohibitions against engaging in forms of sexual activity if you are married to that person. Can anyone point out the sources that say you should not touch your partner's genitals with your mouth? "
Ok well there you go, am not feeling to great today think i might go get some fruit....
Fruit(otl) Alert! - I think Yantan is getting some fruit in Scotland.
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Very interesting posts.
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While i'm here then i have a question that a person who i met on this forum has asked me to pass on....
"This question of oral sex is fascinating. I had always thought that having sex with one's partner was one of the joys of Judaism and one thing that set Judaism apart from the puritanism of other religions. It is a holy thing to spend a Sabbath having sex with the person you are married to. I see no prohibitions against engaging in forms of sexual activity if you are married to that person. Can anyone point out the sources that say you should not touch your partner's genitals with your mouth? "
Ok well there you go, am not feeling to great today think i might go get some fruit....
Fruit(otl) Alert! - I think Yantan is getting some fruit in Scotland.
evryone over here is FOTL ???
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it is sp easy to be a virgin again. It is better to find a "neshama"
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Yantan, you are absolutely right. If you believe that all that G-d made is good and holy, then it doesn't make sense to consider certain body parts evil.
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In our society you have a 5 percent chance of finding a virgin.
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Every time I go out looking for a virgin to marry the coppers chase me away from the high school! :laugh: :laugh:
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Ari, if you don't mind, what is your ethnical background?
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Yantan, you are absolutely right. If you believe that all that G-d made is good and holy, then it doesn't make sense to consider certain body parts evil.
C.F., it doesn't matter what, but how.
There are no evil body parts, there is evil application of those parts.
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Oral sex is very debauching to men and especially to women, if they had not been previously debauched.
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Sorry i have just looked at what i posted in the early hours of the morning, and could i just clarify that i did not mean i have had sexual relationships with gentile men - just to clarify that!
Yantan, are you male or female?
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All I am going to say is this, I am not a virgin sorry to say. I respect and admire those who are. But as for finding as virgin to marry, you have to look in the Religious Jewish community. Or the Bible believing Christian communities for our rightious Gentiles. I will not marry a Virgin, for one simple reason. I am not one and I have no right to now. The ideal situation is to have two virgins on their wedding night.
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While i'm here then i have a question that a person who i met on this forum has asked me to pass on....
"This question of oral sex is fascinating. I had always thought that having sex with one's partner was one of the joys of Judaism and one thing that set Judaism apart from the puritanism of other religions. It is a holy thing to spend a Sabbath having sex with the person you are married to. I see no prohibitions against engaging in forms of sexual activity if you are married to that person. Can anyone point out the sources that say you should not touch your partner's genitals with your mouth? "
Ok well there you go, am not feeling to great today think i might go get some fruit....
Fruit(otl) Alert! - I think Yantan is getting some fruit in Scotland.
evryone over here is FOTL ???
No offense meant - I'm sorry.
Yantan said -
Ok well there you go, am not feeling to great today think i might go get some fruit....
It was the first thing I thought when I read that.
Second - on Yantan's profile it says Scotland.
I was actually saying it half in jest - because although I understood and agreed with Fruit being banned - I did not hate having him on the forum.
Accept my apology if it offended you and especially Yantan.
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I thought I saw "Finding a Virgin Mary", but no it's "Finding a Virgin to Marry!"
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You are not allowed to perform oral sex on a woman because it wastes the female "seed" (female orgasmic fluids). I think performing oral sex is also degrading to the person performing it. It is also dirty. Why not have real sex (missionary position)? That is mutual.
I'm not saying that I agree or disagree but how is oral sex any dirtier than regular sex?
How is it degrading to the person performing it?
Is there a biblical reason for only the missionary position being allowed in your view?
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i'm female, and don't worry i'm not offended.
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You are not allowed to perform oral sex on a woman because it wastes the female "seed" (female orgasmic fluids). I think performing oral sex is also degrading to the person performing it. It is also dirty. Why not have real sex (missionary position)? That is mutual.
I'm not saying that I agree or disagree but how is oral sex any dirtier than regular sex?
How is it degrading to the person performing it?
Is there a biblical reason for only the missionary position being allowed in your view?
It is dirty both physically and mentally:
1) Physically – because you use this mouth to pray, eat, kiss your children and parents.
2) Mentally – it is actually “going down”, that is lowering yourself.
In the normal sex situation you brains are on the same level and genitals on their own level.
Here is another spiritual explanation.
It is understood that oral sex is not actually dangerous. You can’t get poisoned or get sick. However, there should be limits and restrictions everywhere, that is it is immoral to say that everything can go in bed. In other words, if you don’t have restrictions in one area, especially sex, then you won’t have limits anywhere in your life. That has been proven many many times.
If you justify one thing today, you will justify another tomorrow.
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You are not allowed to perform oral sex on a woman because it wastes the female "seed" (female orgasmic fluids). I think performing oral sex is also degrading to the person performing it. It is also dirty. Why not have real sex (missionary position)? That is mutual.
I'm not saying that I agree or disagree but how is oral sex any dirtier than regular sex?
How is it degrading to the person performing it?
Is there a biblical reason for only the missionary position being allowed in your view?
It is dirty both physically and mentally:
1) Physically – because you use this mouth to pray, eat, kiss your children and parents.
2) Mentally – it is actually “going down”, that is lowering yourself.
In the normal sex situation you brains are on the same level and genitals on their own level.
Here is another spiritual explanation.
It is understood that oral sex is not actually dangerous. You can’t get poisoned or get sick. However, there should be limits and restrictions everywhere, that is it is immoral to say that everything can go in bed. In other words, if you don’t have restrictions in one area, especially sex, then you won’t have limits anywhere in your life. That has been proven many many times.
If you justify one thing today, you will justify another tomorrow.
That was an excellant explaination.
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Although I am not Jewish, I would like to ask a favor of the Jewish members here. Please explain to me the reasoning, behind why oral sex is wrong according to Judaism. I do not understand it.
I agree that Abortion, Condoms and especially are wrong. As well, that Condoms and clippings are insulting to real Men.
I agree that anal sex is gross and insulting to women in the process.
But what could be wrong with oral sex?
For example, I am given to understand that women have a much harder time of achieving an orgasm than a male in the sex act. Am I right? How could it be wrong to help her with oral stimulation. Just out of consideration for her. Suppose you wash afterwards. And you both lower yourself in the act. It would be mutual.
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Although I am not Jewish, I would like to ask a favor of the Jewish members here. Please explain to me the reasoning, behind why oral sex is wrong according to Judaism. I do not understand it.
I agree that Abortion, Condoms and especially are wrong. As well, that Condoms and clippings are insulting to real Men.
I agree that anal sex is gross and insulting to women in the process.
But what could be wrong with oral sex?
For example, I am given to understand that women have a much harder time of achieving an orgasm than a male in the sex act. Am I right? How could it be wrong to help her with oral stimulation. Just out of consideration for her. Suppose you wash afterwards. And you both lower yourself in the act. It would be mutual.
If you want a Jewish answer, you will get it.
1) You need to be circumcised first to increase your durability
2) You need to conduct a healthy way of life to increase your stability
3) You need to conduct a modest way of life to increase your wife’s excitement while in private. For example, a couple that sees each other naked all the time will have a hard time getting excited.
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And how exactly is female "seed" "wasted?"
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Although I am not Jewish, I would like to ask a favor of the Jewish members here. Please explain to me the reasoning, behind why oral sex is wrong according to Judaism. I do not understand it.
I agree that Abortion, Condoms and especially are wrong. As well, that Condoms and clippings are insulting to real Men.
I agree that anal sex is gross and insulting to women in the process.
But what could be wrong with oral sex?
For example, I am given to understand that women have a much harder time of achieving an orgasm than a male in the sex act. Am I right? How could it be wrong to help her with oral stimulation. Just out of consideration for her. Suppose you wash afterwards. And you both lower yourself in the act. It would be mutual.
Lowering is lowering, no matter whether it is mutual or unilateral.
Lowering is that’s why called lowering because the so-called dirty body parts are located below your heart.
Things like your mind (head) and soul (heart) are located higher (in the body) and considered higher (spiritually) than genitals.
Thus your head can not go below the chest of the woman.
Another thing is that that neither a man’s sperm nor a woman’s secretions are kosher, but this rules comes into play after you have doubts about the above ideological principle.
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I don't agree that Judaism prohibits oral sex with your wife. The reasons here don't make sense and sound too crazy. I think it is permitted, but I'm no Rabbi either so ask Lubab or your local Rabbi.
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And how exactly is female "seed" "wasted?"
Lisa, I personally don't know of this concept.
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You are not allowed to perform oral sex on a woman because it wastes the female "seed" (female orgasmic fluids). I think performing oral sex is also degrading to the person performing it. It is also dirty. Why not have real sex (missionary position)? That is mutual.
Yacov, I asked you to provide some Scriptural or Talmudic verses and you didn't. Therefore, from what I see here this is your opinion, not the teaching of Torah Judaism.
There is no such thing as "female orgasmic fluids" as they relate to pregnancy. From what I have understood most missionary sex does not result in a female climax at all as the female's organ (clitoris) is completely outside of her vaginal tract.
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I agree with Chaim Fan. It sounds crazy to me. Judaism encourages sex with your wife and thinks it is holy.
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I agree with Chaim Fan. It sounds crazy to me.
Which statements in particular seem crazy to you?
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I will not marry a Virgin, for one simple reason. I am not one and I have no right to now. The ideal situation is to have two virgins on their wedding night.
So you would turn down a great woman who happens to be a virgin, even if she forgives you of your indiscretions?
I do not think it is wrong to marry a virgin even if you are not one. You should simply be concerned with finding women who are pure and holy NOW, and their past, or lack thereof, should be just that--the past.
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I personally do not understand why Yacov does not want to kiss before marriage. In my opinion it is OK to do whatever before marriage as long as it does not result in sexual climax. Sexual climax should be saved for marriage so that the special bond is there between man and woman.
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Judaism encourages sex with your wife and thinks it is holy.
So does Christianity for that matter. The Song of Songs teaches that all aspects of making love between a G-d-fearing husband and wife are exalted and that no part of the body is dirty.
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I remember the Talmud saying that a man can do whatever he pleases with his wife and even permits anal sex with your wife according to one Rabbis opinion but the Sages disagreed and prohibited the later. I don't remember the source unfortunitly so someone help me out.
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Men can't use condoms. But a woman can use birth control. The man's job is to get the seed into the woman but it is up to the woman whether to use it to get pregnant or not.
OK, I don't agree that contraception (in marriage) is wrong at all, but it makes no sense that the woman can use birth control unilaterally. And I don't agree with the Pill at all, it's a chemical that causes cancer.
I might argue that o.s. is a natural and 100% safe (assuming you are married and not spreading STDs) method of contraception.
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I agree that anal sex is gross and insulting to women in the process.
But what could be wrong with oral sex?
I don't follow your dichotomy. The human mouth is a noble orifice but the rectum is dirty or wrongful? "Gross" is in the eye of the beholder. "Insulting to women"... well, in a heck of a lot of third-world cultures vaginal sex is done roughly and without the consent of the wife. I think that's plenty more insulting than anything a loving married couple choose to do.
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I agree that anal sex is gross and insulting to women in the process.
But what could be wrong with oral sex?
I don't follow your dichotomy. The human mouth is a noble orifice but the rectum is dirty or wrongful? "Gross" is in the eye of the beholder. "Insulting to women"... well, in a heck of a lot of third-world cultures vaginal sex is done roughly and without the consent of the wife. I think that's plenty more insulting than anything a loving married couple choose to do.
It is insulting to a woman, because, as I see it, anal sex, treats her as merely a garbage dump, as the penis was not meant go there, while with normal sex, their is sensitivity and passion in it from both the man and the woman. (As I see it.) Plus it reeks of homosexuality.
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Plus it reeks of homosexuality.
Why should the queers dictate what a man and wife should and shouldn't do?
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Plus it reeks of homosexuality.
Why should the queers dictate what a man and wife should and shouldn't do?
God knew there would be such thing as homosexuality and so he said it to be an abomination. Anal sex disregards the fact that you can't have sex between just a man and a women and therefore is similar to the acts homosexuals do, carrying it out between women and man is almost making that particular act "normal" for sexual pleasure and stopping it being an arguement for the evil of homosexuality.
The two main physical differences between men and women is their private parts and the two differences come together during the normal way of doing things however having anal sex ..............o.k i'm stuck, i don't like this topic very much either.
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But gay people can kiss too, does that mean kissing is an abomination?
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1) You need to be circumcised first to increase your durability
I'm not familiar with this. How does being circumcised increase durability?
2) You need to conduct a healthy way of life to increase your stability
As in Celibate periods. But, how do you get your wife to consent to this, and still allow for her to understand, that you really are interested in her and do still love her.
3) You need to conduct a modest way of life to increase your wife’s excitement while in private. For example, a couple that sees each other naked all the time will have a hard time getting excited.
Certainly. I can understand this. But, again as above, how would a husband, deny sex to his wife for a day, two days or a week, in a loving way. It is hard for me to picture myself saying, "No!" It would be ideal if she could understand the reason for the, "No!" How to make her understand without a long lecture.
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Certainly. I can understand this. But, again as above, how would a husband, deny sex to his wife for a day, two days or a week, in a loving way. It is hard for me to picture myself saying, "No!" It would be ideal if she could understand the reason for the, "No!" How to make her understand without a long lecture.
How is it Biblical to deny your spouse sex?
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1) You need to be circumcised first to increase your durability
I'm not familiar with this. How does being circumcised increase durability?
2) You need to conduct a healthy way of life to increase your stability
As in Celibate periods. But, how do you get your wife to consent to this, and still allow for her to understand, that you really are interested in her and do still love her.
3) You need to conduct a modest way of life to increase your wife’s excitement while in private. For example, a couple that sees each other naked all the time will have a hard time getting excited.
Certainly. I can understand this. But, again as above, how would a husband, deny sex to his wife for a day, two days or a week, in a loving way. It is hard for me to picture myself saying, "No!" It would be ideal if she could understand the reason for the, "No!" How to make her understand without a long lecture.
1) Circumcision decreases the sensitivity to friction.
2) You misunderstood me. I meant healthy food, sports etc.
3) You can’t have sex every second of your life, even if your wife asks for that. You have to work out a harmony. If your wife is hypersexual, then you are in a lot of trouble, since with age your abilities will decrease, and hers won’t be affected. Don’t forget, if your wife is virgin, you will be the one setting the harmony and frequency of your sex life. A woman “learns” from her man, and she gets used to your pace. Thus in the very beginning you have to say “No” to yourself, and she will learn to live by that pace. If your wife is not virgin, then the problem is much greater than this subject can cover.
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I am willing to bet that 99% of men out there would kill to have a wife who is "hypersexual". The vast majority of the time the problem is that the wife doesn't want relations nearly as often as the husband does, not the other way around.
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Certainly. I can understand this. But, again as above, how would a husband, deny sex to his wife for a day, two days or a week, in a loving way. It is hard for me to picture myself saying, "No!" It would be ideal if she could understand the reason for the, "No!" How to make her understand without a long lecture.
How is it Biblical to deny your spouse sex?
I don't know. I didn't think I had intentionally made a biblical reference in anyway. I was simply responding to Zvulun ben Moshe's mention of chastity. Is it right to force ones own decision to abstain from sex on his wife, if she is not willing. Meaning, although traditionally, the Man is the Lord of the House, and Lord over his Wife, in a modern setting with modern women, simply saying, "I am King." Is not enough to enforce that level of moral firmness.
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I am willing to bet that 99% of men out there would kill to have a wife who is "hypersexual". The vast majority of the time the problem is that the wife doesn't want relations nearly as often as the husband does, not the other way around.
I don't think so. I want my wife to be a virgin and super-gorgeous but not hypersexual. I would want to set the pace. I would also want to make her happy.
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I am willing to bet that 99% of men out there would kill to have a wife who is "hypersexual". The vast majority of the time the problem is that the wife doesn't want relations nearly as often as the husband does, not the other way around.
99% of single men who don't have sex even once a month.
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I don't think so. I want my wife to be a virgin and super-gorgeous but not hypersexual. I would want to set the pace. I would also want to make her happy.
There are plenty of 100% virginal women who can, shall we say, hardly wait.
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Oh of course. I wasn't saying I'm not interested in sex. Just that I would fear exhausting myself through being hyper about it would decrease my ability to please her. Of course. I can hardly wait. I think the problem, with me is learning discipline right now.
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Oh of course. I wasn't saying I'm not interested in sex. Just that I would fear exhausting myself through being hyper about it would decrease my ability to please her. Of course. I can hardly wait. I think the problem, with me is learning discipline right now.
Very good, LWB!
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They are forbidden because you are not allowed to spill your seed. The seed can only go into the woman during vaginal sex. Masturbation is also wrong for the same reason. I assume anal sex is also bad because it is abnormal.
I understand that you are coming from Judaic teachings, but you still did not show me any verses or quotes. Masturbation is sinful because it is lustful. How can lovemaking between husband and wife be lustful?
You are not allowed to kiss genitals so you can't perform oral sex on a woman either.
I think that Song of Songs might beg to differ on that.
Hell is freezing over...I agree with you.
I'm not Catholic but what Yachov is talking about is also in the Catholic faith. No masturbation, no birth control, no sexual act considered abnormal (anal or oral). That's something I actually researched when becoming a Christian. Would our (my husband and mine) *relationship* have to change because I'm Christian now? I asked a lot of Christians this question and they laughed. LOL They told me that God dosen't care what you do with your spouse in those moments but as long as you love them as Jesus loves you. Other than that people shouldn't be privy to what's going on behind the closed doors of a married couple nor an unmarried couple.
I'd be anxious to meet people who'd venture to look into the bedrooms of monogomous adults. Do they have lives?
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I am not getting it. Where in the world you found a reference to oral sex in Song of Songs?
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Hasn't this thread gotten a bit off track? ;)
After all this is a religious forum.
Sorry to sound like a stick in the mud. ;D
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Friends,
This topic is exhausted, and is getting into areas that aren't approrpriate on a religious forum.
Kindest regards,
Christopher