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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hyades on June 20, 2010, 11:24:51 AM
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Ever since I see my country being bashed and hated they way it is, I decided to delete my account. But it tells me I am not authorized. Can someone authorized please do that for me? Thank you!
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
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Ever since I see my country being bashed and hated they way it is, I decided to delete my account. But it tells me I am not authorized. Can someone authorized please do that for me? Thank you!
Why every country is bashed here including Israel
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
It makes no difference Hyades is a good person
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
It makes no difference Hyades is a good person
I think he considers GermaNaziny to be his country.
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
It makes no difference Hyades is a good person
I think he considers GermaNaziny to be his country.
Well if you live there it is your country he doesn't agree with Bolsheviks,Qurananimals or Nazis
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
It makes no difference Hyades is a good person
I think he considers GermaNaziny to be his country.
Well if you live there it is your country he doesn't agree with Bolsheviks,Qurananimals or Nazis
The Jew's only country is Israel and not a Gentile country whether a Nazi or a Philo-semitic one.
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
Yes, I am Jewish. But I was born and raised in Germany. And all my friends are Germans. And honestly I do not admit any person, Jewish or not, to offend all my friends and lovely people I know here as Nazis!
I am sure there are many Nazis in Germany, but honestly I can see many more Nazis when I go to Poland, the USA or Russia! And I am pretty sure the Nazi ratio is much higher in many many countries in this world. Absolutely.
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
It makes no difference Hyades is a good person
I think he considers GermaNaziny to be his country.
Well if you live there it is your country he doesn't agree with Bolsheviks,Qurananimals or Nazis
The Jew's only country is Israel and not a Gentile country whether a Nazi or a Philo-semitic one.
Well most Jews here don't live in Israel ,maybe if the people in Israel woke up and elected a decent govt more people would move there.I live with evil obama as 'PRESIDENT' and i will along with other Americans vote him out
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
It makes no difference Hyades is a good person
I think he considers GermaNaziny to be his country.
Well if you live there it is your country he doesn't agree with Bolsheviks,Qurananimals or Nazis
The Jew's only country is Israel and not a Gentile country whether a Nazi or a Philo-semitic one.
Well most Jews here don't live in Israel ,maybe if the people in Israel woke up and elected a decent govt more people would move there.I live with evil obama as 'PRESIDENT' and i will along with other Americans vote him out
So let the Jews who already live in Israel do the dirty job for all Jews. Meanwhile, American Jews will sit with their big fat touche$$$ in their big smelly villas and do whatever they can to stop Obama from doing bad things to other nations and only then care about other Jews. If that is not treason the American Jews is so experienced with (cf. American Jewry during the Holocaust) I don't know what treason is.
Jews should live in Israel even in the worst conditions and help their brothers.
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
Yes, I am Jewish. But I was born and raised in Germany. And all my friends are Germans. And honestly I do not admit any person, Jewish or not, to offend all my friends and lovely people I know here as Nazis!
I am sure there are many Nazis in Germany, but honestly I can see many more Nazis when I go to Poland, the USA or Russia! And I am pretty sure the Nazi ratio is much higher in many many countries in this world. Absolutely.
Great. So just because the USSR had less Nazis than Nazi Germany, it still wasn't a Nazi country. Just because China is less hostile to Jews than Iran, means it's still not a Nazi country.
What don't you get with - you are Jewish = Your country is Israel and only Israel no matter if you were born in South Africa or Alaska?
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An Admin can delete your account, so just contact one. Now listen Haydes, your nation is Israel not Germany. A Jew who lives in a foreign nation is living on the exile. If you feel that Germany is your nation than that means you are heavily assimilated and you have switched your allegiance and your identity from Jew to German.
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Ron, with all respect. Who are you to tell others where they have to live or not? Unfortunately, I would have much less success in Israel, since Israel does not give me the opportunities I have in "Nazi Germany". This might make you crazy and this may also enrage you since it is against all your prejudices. But I think everyone has to see what is the best for his own life. I earn so well that I can give a lot of money to Israeli/Jewish organisations. And I do it. Although I am not an Israeli - I wasn't born there, my Hebrew knowledges are awful and I think many children know the Torah better than I do.
I defend Israel, I am loyal to Israel and nothing I do is against Israel. And when I choose not to live there, it is my very own decision and no stranger has to tell me or dictate me what to do or not to do. I am 36 years old and I have always made my way. I surely do NOT need your opinion or advice. And this is also a reason to leave this forum. Thanks for reminding me of this one also.
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An Admin can delete your account, so just contact one. Now listen Haydes, your nation is Israel not Germany. A Jew who lives in a foreign nation is living on the exile. If you feel that Germany is your nation than that means you are heavily assimilated and you have switched your allegiance and your identity from Jew to German.
Okay, I will contact one. Thank you. So if you think I am assimilated and switched my allegiance and identity, then by YOUR interpretation, I did.
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An Admin can delete your account, so just contact one. Now listen Haydes, your nation is Israel not Germany. A Jew who lives in a foreign nation is living on the exile. If you feel that Germany is your nation than that means you are heavily assimilated and you have switched your allegiance and your identity from Jew to German.
Okay, I will contact one. Thank you. So if you think I am assimilated and switched my allegiance and identity, then by YOUR interpretation, I did.
In your own words you said Germany is YOUR nation. I think your priorities are quite clear. You are not the first "German of the Mosaic faith".
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An Admin can delete your account, so just contact one. Now listen Haydes, your nation is Israel not Germany. A Jew who lives in a foreign nation is living on the exile. If you feel that Germany is your nation than that means you are heavily assimilated and you have switched your allegiance and your identity from Jew to German.
Okay, I will contact one. Thank you. So if you think I am assimilated and switched my allegiance and identity, then by YOUR interpretation, I did.
In your own words you said Germany is YOUR nation. I think your priorities are quite clear. You are not the first "German of the Mosaic faith".
Actually I would say from I experience in the synagogue, I am just like the very most Jews in our community. The only difference is that I am not for promoting Muslim immigration and multiculturalism as most Jews in Germany do.
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Ron, with all respect. Who are you to tell others where they have to live or not?
By accepting the fact that you're Jewish, you accept the fact that this is a Commandament to live in the Land of Israel, settle it and conquer it. By ignoring this Mitzvah, you're admitting your hypocracy.
Unfortunately, I would have much less success in Israel, since Israel does not give me the opportunities I have in "Nazi Germany".
So just becaue meanwhile it's not so comfo for you to live your happy smelly Western life-style in YOUR land of YOUR ancestors and YOUR G-D who by His mercy gave us this land even though we don't worth it (like the Prophecy in Zechariah states) you don't wanna live in it? Money really is anything for Exile Jews.
But I think everyone has to see what is the best for his own life.
Everybody has the option of choosing between good and evil. Truth and false, good and evil are not defined by humans. They defined by the One who created them.
You have the option to choose between good and evil with your free will. By choosing to live in the cursed Exile, you've chosen evil and left your Judaism in favor of Germany. Thereby, you ignored your destiny and your people's destiny and left it for the sake of $$$$$$$ you can earn in Germany and suppsedly cannot earn it in Israel. Thereby, you're a traitor to the Jewish people and your loyalty lays in the Reich and not in Israel.
I earn so well that I can give a lot of money to Israeli/Je wish organisations. And I do it. Although I am not an Israeli - I wasn't born there, my Hebrew knowledges are awful and I think many children know the Torah better than I do.
By stepping on the Holy ground in Israel you do much more than staying in the Galut and desecrating G-D's Name among the Nations. By conquering one little hill in Samaria, you do much more than any Jew in America or Europe could achieve for the goal and reason of the existence of the Jewish people in the world.
I defend Israel, I am loyal to Israel and nothing I do is against Israel. And when I choose not to live there, it is my very own decision and no stranger has to tell me or dictate me what to do or not to do. I am 36 years old and I have always made my way. I surely do NOT need your opinion or advice. And this is also a reason to leave this forum. Thanks for reminding me of this one also.
Now you're playing both worlds. On one hand, you're a loyal German and a Crusader and defender of Western culture. You pay German texas, obey German laws, etc. On the other hand, you mistakely consider yourself Jewish, and consider yourself loyal to Israel. You serve 2 masters.
I'm only 17 and I've already decided a smarter and better decision than a 36 years old "German of the Mosaic faith". Exile Jew who has abandoned his Jewish culture in favor of Western Helenized culture.
One more thing - if you think that by telling the truth, that you should live in Israel and not in other peoples' lands, I am dictating you, then your self-hatred and assimilatino is beyond imagination.
Your priorities are clear and your loylaties are destructive.
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An Admin can delete your account, so just contact one. Now listen Haydes, your nation is Israel not Germany. A Jew who lives in a foreign nation is living on the exile. If you feel that Germany is your nation than that means you are heavily assimilated and you have switched your allegiance and your identity from Jew to German.
Okay, I will contact one. Thank you. So if you think I am assimilated and switched my allegiance and identity, then by YOUR interpretation, I did.
In your own words you said Germany is YOUR nation. I think your priorities are quite clear. You are not the first "German of the Mosaic faith".
Actually I would say from I experience in the synagogue, I am just like the very most Jews in our community. The only difference is that I am not for promoting Muslim immigration and multiculturalism as most Jews in Germany do.
And yet again you folllow the German/European interests and NOT the Jewish interests. Stop playing games.
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An Admin can delete your account, so just contact one. Now listen Haydes, your nation is Israel not Germany. A Jew who lives in a foreign nation is living on the exile. If you feel that Germany is your nation than that means you are heavily assimilated and you have switched your allegiance and your identity from Jew to German.
Okay, I will contact one. Thank you. So if you think I am assimilated and switched my allegiance and identity, then by YOUR interpretation, I did.
In your own words you said Germany is YOUR nation. I think your priorities are quite clear. You are not the first "German of the Mosaic faith".
Actually I would say from I experience in the synagogue, I am just like the very most Jews in our community. The only difference is that I am not for promoting Muslim immigration and multiculturalism as most Jews in Germany do.
Most Jews in Germany couldn't recognize a Jewish idea if they stepped on it. They must be the equals to the American Jews who vote for Osama and support multi-culti. The only example you can take from such people is how Jews shouldn't be. Why do you even compare yourself to such people ? Seek a higher standard.
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Ron, with all respect. Who are you to tell others where they have to live or not?
By accepting the fact that you're Jewish, you accept the fact that this is a Commandament to live in the Land of Israel, settle it and conquer it. By ignoring this Mitzvah, you're admitting your hypocracy.
Unfortunately, I would have much less success in Israel, since Israel does not give me the opportunities I have in "Nazi Germany".
So just becaue meanwhile it's not so comfo for you to live your happy smelly Western life-style in YOUR land of YOUR ancestors and YOUR G-D who by His mercy gave us this land even though we don't worth it (like the Prophecy in Zechariah states) you don't wanna live in it? Money really is anything for Exile Jews.
But I think everyone has to see what is the best for his own life.
Everybody has the option of choosing between good and evil. Truth and false, good and evil are not defined by humans. They defined by the One who created them.
You have the option to choose between good and evil with your free will. By choosing to live in the cursed Exile, you've chosen evil and left your Judaism in favor of Germany. Thereby, you ignored your destiny and your people's destiny and left it for the sake of $$$$$$$ you can earn in Germany and suppsedly cannot earn it in Israel. Thereby, you're a traitor to the Jewish people and your loyalty lays in the Reich and not in Israel.
I earn so well that I can give a lot of money to Israeli/Je wish organisations. And I do it. Although I am not an Israeli - I wasn't born there, my Hebrew knowledges are awful and I think many children know the Torah better than I do.
By stepping on the Holy ground in Israel you do much more than staying in the Galut and desecrating G-D's Name among the Nations. By conquering one little hill in Samaria, you do much more than any Jew in America or Europe could achieve for the goal and reason of the existence of the Jewish people in the world.
I defend Israel, I am loyal to Israel and nothing I do is against Israel. And when I choose not to live there, it is my very own decision and no stranger has to tell me or dictate me what to do or not to do. I am 36 years old and I have always made my way. I surely do NOT need your opinion or advice. And this is also a reason to leave this forum. Thanks for reminding me of this one also.
Now you're playing both worlds. On one hand, you're a loyal German and a Crusader and defender of Western culture. You pay German texas, obey German laws, etc. On the other hand, you mistakely consider yourself Jewish, and consider yourself loyal to Israel. You serve 2 masters.
I'm only 17 and I've already decided a smarter and better decision than a 36 years old "German of the Mosaic faith". Exile Jew who has abandoned his Jewish culture in favor of Western Helenized culture.
One more thing - if you think that by telling the truth, that you should live in Israel and not in other peoples' lands, I am dictating you, then your self-hatred and assimilatino is beyond imagination.
Your priorities are clear and your loylaties are destructive.
I can clearly see you are 17 and probably you suffer from borderline personal disorder. Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc. But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people. I think that Judaism doesn't make Israel YOUR country. In my case, I was born from converts. So their ancestors NEVER settled in the Holy Land. And if I support Israel in other ways then settling on land where I probably wouldn't be happy, would be way short-sighted. An unhappy person will never be a good supporter of the Land of Israel. And I think I HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO EXPLAIN MY LIFE TO ANY 17 Y.O. BOY I DO NOT EVEN KNOW PERSONALLY. I DO NOT EVEN EXPLAIN MY LIFE TO MY FRIENDS AND REALTIVES, LET ALONE A STRANGER!!!!! :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
Yes, I am Jewish. But I was born and raised in Germany. And all my friends are Germans. And honestly I do not admit any person, Jewish or not, to offend all my friends and lovely people I know here as Nazis!
I am sure there are many Nazis in Germany, but honestly I can see many more Nazis when I go to Poland, the USA or Russia! And I am pretty sure the Nazi ratio is much higher in many many countries in this world. Absolutely.
Don't leave Hyades. It's not your fault or any other good person's fault that some people are ignorant and want to paint all Germans the same way.
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I think it's nobody's business other than to urge someone to move to Israel, as opposed to smearing accusations. Especially when it is incoherently directed at only one forummember when more would apply.
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Don't delete your account Haydes..... The climate changes here on the forum from time to time and you may feel differently in a few weeks or a month. I for one hope you decide to continue your participation here but you know what works best best for you.
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Who did this in ISRAEL? GERMANS [SARCASM] http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/188514
A synagogue in Rishon Lezion was found desecrated Sunday morning. Overnight Saturday, vandals sprayed swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti in the synagogue. Among the graffiti was a scrawl that said “Jews, go back to Poland.” The Chabad synagogue has a high percentage of Holocaust survivors as members, worshippers in the synagogue told reporters. Members of the synagogue told reporters that the incident may be related to the tension between Sephardim and Ashkenazim in the Emanuel school affair.
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Jews did that to Jews? That is just extremely sad!
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Jews did that to Jews? That is just extremely sad!
True it is sad
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Who did this in ISRAEL? GERMANS [SARCASM] http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/188514
A synagogue in Rishon Lezion was found desecrated Sunday morning. Overnight Saturday, vandals sprayed swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti in the synagogue. Among the graffiti was a scrawl that said Jews, go back to Poland. The Chabad synagogue has a high percentage of Holocaust survivors as members, worshippers in the synagogue told reporters. Members of the synagogue told reporters that the incident may be related to the tension between Sephardim and Ashkenazim in the Emanuel school affair.
It must have been that old witch kagan.
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Who did this in ISRAEL? GERMANS [SARCASM] http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/188514
A synagogue in Rishon Lezion was found desecrated Sunday morning. Overnight Saturday, vandals sprayed swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti in the synagogue. Among the graffiti was a scrawl that said Jews, go back to Poland. The Chabad synagogue has a high percentage of Holocaust survivors as members, worshippers in the synagogue told reporters. Members of the synagogue told reporters that the incident may be related to the tension between Sephardim and Ashkenazim in the Emanuel school affair.
It must have been that old witch kagan.
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Hyades stay i'm sure this will be all settled soon
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Don't take it personally, Hyades!
Stay on the forum.
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Hyades, you seem like a good guy. Why don't you send me a link to the thread you found offensive.
Also, you don't have to agree with JTF about everything. No one here agrees with everyone else 100%. So if you're against the Islamization of the West, and the suicidal Israeli current regime, you should stay.
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Hyades, I like you and would be sad to see you go.
I do hope for Israel to cease diplomatic political ties with Germany [and call German politicians out on their threats of sanctions against Israel for it is Germany who would suffer w/o Israeli technology], but that has nothing to do with how I feel about individuals who live in the German state.
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Ron, with all respect. Who are you to tell others where they have to live or not? Unfortunately, I would have much less success in Israel, since Israel does not give me the opportunities I have in "Nazi Germany". This might make you crazy and this may also enrage you since it is against all your prejudices. But I think everyone has to see what is the best for his own life. I earn so well that I can give a lot of money to Israeli/Jewish organisations. And I do it. Although I am not an Israeli - I wasn't born there, my Hebrew knowledges are awful and I think many children know the Torah better than I do.
I defend Israel, I am loyal to Israel and nothing I do is against Israel. And when I choose not to live there, it is my very own decision and no stranger has to tell me or dictate me what to do or not to do. I am 36 years old and I have always made my way. I surely do NOT need your opinion or advice. And this is also a reason to leave this forum. Thanks for reminding me of this one also.
Hyades, I live in the US..and was born and raised here. But according to our religion, Israel is our real home and we are supposed to live there. Now of course, if you or I just get up and go there, we would have a difficult time being successful.
So my suggestion is to first to learn how to speak Hebrew really fluently if you don't know how to speak it. Even if you are nice and comfortable in Germany like I'm nice and comfortable in the US we have to learn this language to pass it on to our children and children's children.
We both should learn more and more Judaism as well so our children and our children's children do not assimilate. Face it, both and you I and our kids and our kid's kids have a very high risk of assimilating and risk losing their Jewish identity until a Nazi regime points it out and do something to them, Gd forbid. That's what happened in Europe, that's what happened in the USSR, that's what happened in Iran, that's what starting to happen in the US.
So for your sake and the sake of the Jewish people especially JTFers like you and I, we should focus on our Jewish brethern and ourselves has Jews to be prepared if we are not ready now to leave the galut. That's the least I can recommend.
So don't leave us. Stick around, learn more about true Judaism and ideal Judaism because even if it didn't matter to you now, you will want it to matter to your children or grandchildren because I believe they will be in worse shape than we are in the galut.
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Kahane said that there was only black and white and no in between..anything in between was black.
There is only good and only evil..no in betweens.
Ron, with all respect. Who are you to tell others where they have to live or not?
By accepting the fact that you're Jewish, you accept the fact that this is a Commandament to live in the Land of Israel, settle it and conquer it. By ignoring this Mitzvah, you're admitting your hypocracy.
Unfortunately, I would have much less success in Israel, since Israel does not give me the opportunities I have in "Nazi Germany".
So just becaue meanwhile it's not so comfo for you to live your happy smelly Western life-style in YOUR land of YOUR ancestors and YOUR G-D who by His mercy gave us this land even though we don't worth it (like the Prophecy in Zechariah states) you don't wanna live in it? Money really is anything for Exile Jews.
But I think everyone has to see what is the best for his own life.
Everybody has the option of choosing between good and evil. Truth and false, good and evil are not defined by humans. They defined by the One who created them.
You have the option to choose between good and evil with your free will. By choosing to live in the cursed Exile, you've chosen evil and left your Judaism in favor of Germany. Thereby, you ignored your destiny and your people's destiny and left it for the sake of $$$$$$$ you can earn in Germany and suppsedly cannot earn it in Israel. Thereby, you're a traitor to the Jewish people and your loyalty lays in the Reich and not in Israel.
I earn so well that I can give a lot of money to Israeli/Je wish organisations. And I do it. Although I am not an Israeli - I wasn't born there, my Hebrew knowledges are awful and I think many children know the Torah better than I do.
By stepping on the Holy ground in Israel you do much more than staying in the Galut and desecrating G-D's Name among the Nations. By conquering one little hill in Samaria, you do much more than any Jew in America or Europe could achieve for the goal and reason of the existence of the Jewish people in the world.
I defend Israel, I am loyal to Israel and nothing I do is against Israel. And when I choose not to live there, it is my very own decision and no stranger has to tell me or dictate me what to do or not to do. I am 36 years old and I have always made my way. I surely do NOT need your opinion or advice. And this is also a reason to leave this forum. Thanks for reminding me of this one also.
Now you're playing both worlds. On one hand, you're a loyal German and a Crusader and defender of Western culture. You pay German texas, obey German laws, etc. On the other hand, you mistakely consider yourself Jewish, and consider yourself loyal to Israel. You serve 2 masters.
I'm only 17 and I've already decided a smarter and better decision than a 36 years old "German of the Mosaic faith". Exile Jew who has abandoned his Jewish culture in favor of Western Helenized culture.
One more thing - if you think that by telling the truth, that you should live in Israel and not in other peoples' lands, I am dictating you, then your self-hatred and assimilatino is beyond imagination.
Your priorities are clear and your loylaties are destructive.
I can clearly see you are 17 and probably you suffer from borderline personal disorder. Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc. But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people. I think that Judaism doesn't make Israel YOUR country. In my case, I was born from converts. So their ancestors NEVER settled in the Holy Land. And if I support Israel in other ways then settling on land where I probably wouldn't be happy, would be way short-sighted. An unhappy person will never be a good supporter of the Land of Israel. And I think I HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO EXPLAIN MY LIFE TO ANY 17 Y.O. BOY I DO NOT EVEN KNOW PERSONALLY. I DO NOT EVEN EXPLAIN MY LIFE TO MY FRIENDS AND REALTIVES, LET ALONE A STRANGER!!!!! :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc.
It is. Just like you see Nazism and Communism as black, just like you see Islam itself as black, every other thing in its particular form is either black or white. Otherwise it's hypocracy and foolishness.
But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
Or post-modernism.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people.
First of all, it's not MY opinion. It's G-D's opinion, that is the Torah and the Halacha. You can disagree with it, but the truth needs no recognition by human beings in order to be truth.
What I'm trying to do doesn't really have anything to do with you. You're a fool, a loser, a traitor and a hypocrite - a lost case. You will be doomed with your country Doucheland, you will be buried under the Flames of Jihad along with your Aryan Deutsche brothers.
But the truth needs to be shown and falsehood shall be refuted.
I think that Judaism doesn't make Israel YOUR country.
You see the problem? you put yourself in the place of Hashem and decide what Judaism dictates and what it doesn't. The Jewish idea in principle says that the whole reason the Jewish people exists, our destiny, it to live in Israel, conquer it from the Goyim and let the Kingdom of Holy Priests, Light Unto the Nations and a Holy Nation arise. A Jew who fulfills Commandaments in the Exile will have no Sachar ("salary") for it in the World to come. His existence in the Galut equals to Chillul Hashem and the Gemara (Talmud) even states that those who reside in the Galut are the same as those who have no G-D (אין לו אלוה) or in other words idol worshippers.
Kikes like you who decided to stay in Egypt and not enter the Land of Israel under Hashem's Command during the Exodues, 80% of the Jewish people, were eliminated.
about a third of World Jewry who decided to stay in Europe during the Holocaust and not fulfill the miracleous chance to get to Israel and do what needs to be done were burnt and murdered by the Nazis in the most monstrous way the human mind could ever think of back then.
And G-D willing, traitors like you will be destroyed and buried under the fire of Jihad along with other kikes.
In my case, I was born from converts.
As long as your mother is Jewish (according to Halacha), you're as Jewish as I am and I was born to ethnic Jews.
So their ancestors NEVER settled in the Holy Land.
Their spiritual ancestors did. Even those who have only converted to Judaism and joined the Jewish people by that, are commanded to live here.
And if I support Israel in other ways then settling on land where I probably wouldn't be happy, would be way short-sighted. An unhappy person will never be a good supporter of the Land of Israel.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. My parents lived here in sickness and hunger but were happy and great supporters of the Israel and NO NO SURRENDER OF JEWISH LAND idealists although. This is about idealism, stop with your sickening Western Marxist materialism.
And I think I HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO EXPLAIN MY LIFE TO ANY 17 Y.O. BOY I DO NOT EVEN KNOW PERSONALLY. I DO NOT EVEN EXPLAIN MY LIFE TO MY FRIENDS AND REALTIVES, LET ALONE A STRANGER!!!!! :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
By this you have shown who is the older one between us.
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Jews like Hyades make Muslims look Philo-Semitic.
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Are you Jewish?
if so, Israel is Holy in this site.
Yes, I am Jewish. But I was born and raised in Germany. And all my friends are Germans. And honestly I do not admit any person, Jewish or not, to offend all my friends and lovely people I know here as Nazis!
I am sure there are many Nazis in Germany, but honestly I can see many more Nazis when I go to Poland, the USA or Russia! And I am pretty sure the Nazi ratio is much higher in many many countries in this world. Absolutely.
Don't leave Hyades. It's not your fault or any other good person's fault that some people are ignorant and want to paint all Germans the same way.
She'll use every chance to slander Ronnie Ron
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I don't want to get into a fight with you. You're not the only one who seems to think that members of certain countries all think the same way anyway, so it wasn't just directed at you.
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I defend Israel, I am loyal to Israel and nothing I do is against Israel. And when I choose not to live there, it is my very own decision and no stranger has to tell me or dictate me what to do or not to do. I am 36 years old and I have always made my way. I surely do NOT need your opinion or advice. And this is also a reason to leave this forum. Thanks for reminding me of this one also.
Not sure why your taking all this so personally. Germany murdered 6 million Jews and no one is just going to forgive that. So what? As far as Israel, Rabbi Kahane constantly urged Jews from all over the world to leave behind the galut and embrace aliyah in our homeland. An individual has to determine for himself how he can go about that practically. Why take it so personally when other Jews here remind us of our duties? Or even to give you advice? If you don't like his advice, that's ok too. You can also give him advice :)
I just don't understand because up until this thread you seemed like a great member here.
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I think that Judaism doesn't make Israel YOUR country. In my case, I was born from converts. So their ancestors NEVER settled in the Holy Land.
Actually, that does not make a difference. Once your parents joined the Jewish nation through conversion they are children of Avraham Yitzhak and Yaakov who passed the birthright on to the Jewish people.
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Who did this in ISRAEL? GERMANS [SARCASM] http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/188514
A synagogue in Rishon Lezion was found desecrated Sunday morning. Overnight Saturday, vandals sprayed swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti in the synagogue. Among the graffiti was a scrawl that said “Jews, go back to Poland.” The Chabad synagogue has a high percentage of Holocaust survivors as members, worshippers in the synagogue told reporters. Members of the synagogue told reporters that the incident may be related to the tension between Sephardim and Ashkenazim in the Emanuel school affair.
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Unfortunately Jews sometimes live with great delusions. It makes absolutely ZERO sense to say that this incident has anything to do with the Emanuel affair. First off, Sephardim would not write swastikas or antisemitic grafiti! That is ridiculous. Secondly, if they were to do that, why would they write against themselves? When they say "Jews," they refer to themselves too! This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If it was targeted to Ashkenazim, it would say "Ashkenazim go back to..." etc. In any case, Sephardim would not do this. Is there a single documented case of such an event in all of Israel's history? No, these were neo-nazis just like all the other grafiti and antisemitic desecrations. Either the russian variety or the Arab muslim variety.
The media sometimes proves that very stupid people can get very important and seemingly educated positions.
I bet I even know how they made this idiotic mistake. Probably a few people in the shul were frustrated and said 'because of the chillul hashem of the emanuel thing, we get punished with this.' or something along those lines, and then the media spins it to something completely illogical and unbelievable.
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Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc.
It is. Just like you see Nazism and Communism as black, just like you see Islam itself as black, every other thing in its particular form is either black or white. Otherwise it's hypocracy and foolishness.
But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
Or post-modernism.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people.
First of all, it's not MY opinion. It's G-D's opinion, that is the Torah and the Halacha. You can disagree with it, but the truth needs no recognition by human beings in order to be truth.
What I'm trying to do doesn't really have anything to do with you. You're a fool, a loser, a traitor and a hypocrite - a lost case. You will be doomed with your country Doucheland, you will be buried under the Flames of Jihad along with your Aryan Deutsche brothers.
Ron it's really uncalled for to get so personal like this. The insults are way out of line.
It seems like you gave up on our Jewish brother Hyades. Why don't you have confidence that you can convince him to change his views or at least to influence him to think deeper about these issues? Why condemn him to the fire like that? Aside from the fact that the insults are out of line, why would you give up on someone like that? Maybe he's just mistaken. Didn't you have a time when you had different beliefs and changed your views for the better? I certainly did. These things are possible.
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Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc.
It is. Just like you see Nazism and Communism as black, just like you see Islam itself as black, every other thing in its particular form is either black or white. Otherwise it's hypocracy and foolishness.
But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
Or post-modernism.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people.
First of all, it's not MY opinion. It's G-D's opinion, that is the Torah and the Halacha. You can disagree with it, but the truth needs no recognition by human beings in order to be truth.
What I'm trying to do doesn't really have anything to do with you. You're a fool, a loser, a traitor and a hypocrite - a lost case. You will be doomed with your country Doucheland, you will be buried under the Flames of Jihad along with your Aryan Deutsche brothers.
Ron it's really uncalled for to get so personal like this. The insults are way out of line.
I agree... I am glad you said something KWRBT... We are to rebuke a fellow Jew, even a convert, so that he can learn better. Do not rebuke with anger or condescension. We must keep as many Jews together as we can, and not cause further division.
Aliyah is not the easiest thing for many people.
I also understand having an allegiance to the country you are born in. There is something about home which cannot be duplicated when you move away, especially to the Holy Land. A person grows affectionate for their birth place.
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Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc.
It is. Just like you see Nazism and Communism as black, just like you see Islam itself as black, every other thing in its particular form is either black or white. Otherwise it's hypocracy and foolishness.
But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
Or post-modernism.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people.
First of all, it's not MY opinion. It's G-D's opinion, that is the Torah and the Halacha. You can disagree with it, but the truth needs no recognition by human beings in order to be truth.
What I'm trying to do doesn't really have anything to do with you. You're a fool, a loser, a traitor and a hypocrite - a lost case. You will be doomed with your country Doucheland, you will be buried under the Flames of Jihad along with your Aryan Deutsche brothers.
Ron it's really uncalled for to get so personal like this. The insults are way out of line.
It seems like you gave up on our Jewish brother Hyades. Why don't you have confidence that you can convince him to change his views or at least to influence him to think deeper about these issues? Why condemn him to the fire like that? Aside from the fact that the insults are out of line, why would you give up on someone like that? Maybe he's just mistaken. Didn't you have a time when you had different beliefs and changed your views for the better? I certainly did. These things are possible.
Rebuke with the left hand [weaker hand], hold on to the person with the right hand [stronger hand].
Ron, I think you can find a more effective way of expressing the need to make Aliyah to a fellow Jew who is in the galut. I respect your passion, and you are a good Jew with great righteous conviction, but why not seek to build a relationship with our brother where he feels as if you speak to him out of love rather than anger? Ahavat Yisrael. Are you communicating that you are concerned with the well being of his Jewish soul in a way he can sense or believe?
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I reason that if ron wants to tirade Hyades a 'galut-kike', he should be tirading Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews on this forum, except for Chaim, a 'galut-kike'. This makes sense right?
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I reason that if ron wants to tirade Hyades a 'galut-kike', he should be tirading Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews on this forum, except for Chaim, a 'galut-kike'. This makes sense right?
I agree the Rabbis [RELIGIOUS THE REFORM AND CONSERVATIVE ARE FOR THE MOST PART LEFTISTS] why don't they move to Israel
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Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc.
It is. Just like you see Nazism and Communism as black, just like you see Islam itself as black, every other thing in its particular form is either black or white. Otherwise it's hypocracy and foolishness.
But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
Or post-modernism.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people.
First of all, it's not MY opinion. It's G-D's opinion, that is the Torah and the Halacha. You can disagree with it, but the truth needs no recognition by human beings in order to be truth.
What I'm trying to do doesn't really have anything to do with you. You're a fool, a loser, a traitor and a hypocrite - a lost case. You will be doomed with your country Doucheland, you will be buried under the Flames of Jihad along with your Aryan Deutsche brothers.
Ron it's really uncalled for to get so personal like this. The insults are way out of line.
It seems like you gave up on our Jewish brother Hyades. Why don't you have confidence that you can convince him to change his views or at least to influence him to think deeper about these issues? Why condemn him to the fire like that? Aside from the fact that the insults are out of line, why would you give up on someone like that? Maybe he's just mistaken. Didn't you have a time when you had different beliefs and changed your views for the better? I certainly did. These things are possible.
Let's see if he returns to reply any of us and you will have your answer.
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Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc.
It is. Just like you see Nazism and Communism as black, just like you see Islam itself as black, every other thing in its particular form is either black or white. Otherwise it's hypocracy and foolishness.
But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
Or post-modernism.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people.
First of all, it's not MY opinion. It's G-D's opinion, that is the Torah and the Halacha. You can disagree with it, but the truth needs no recognition by human beings in order to be truth.
What I'm trying to do doesn't really have anything to do with you. You're a fool, a loser, a traitor and a hypocrite - a lost case. You will be doomed with your country Doucheland, you will be buried under the Flames of Jihad along with your Aryan Deutsche brothers.
Ron it's really uncalled for to get so personal like this. The insults are way out of line.
I agree... I am glad you said something KWRBT... We are to rebuke a fellow Jew, even a convert, so that he can learn better. Do not rebuke with anger or condescension. We must keep as many Jews together as we can, and not cause further division.
Aliyah is not the easiest thing for many people.
I also understand having an allegiance to the country you are born in. There is something about home which cannot be duplicated when you move away, especially to the Holy Land. A person grows affectionate for their birth place.
But keeping complete loyalty to both countries, and especially to a country like Germany, to a Jew is beyond obscene and equals treason.
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Someone who can only see black and white, good and evil, nice and ugly, etc etc.
It is. Just like you see Nazism and Communism as black, just like you see Islam itself as black, every other thing in its particular form is either black or white. Otherwise it's hypocracy and foolishness.
But I can assure you as you grow up, you will learn that there are more things in between. Between black and white you have a lot of colours and greyscales. Between ugly and beautiful there is neutral as well as there is a "neutral" between good and evil.
Or post-modernism.
And what you are trying to do is to impose YOUR opinion-that I respect since I consider your age also-onto other people.
First of all, it's not MY opinion. It's G-D's opinion, that is the Torah and the Halacha. You can disagree with it, but the truth needs no recognition by human beings in order to be truth.
What I'm trying to do doesn't really have anything to do with you. You're a fool, a loser, a traitor and a hypocrite - a lost case. You will be doomed with your country Doucheland, you will be buried under the Flames of Jihad along with your Aryan Deutsche brothers.
Ron it's really uncalled for to get so personal like this. The insults are way out of line.
It seems like you gave up on our Jewish brother Hyades. Why don't you have confidence that you can convince him to change his views or at least to influence him to think deeper about these issues? Why condemn him to the fire like that? Aside from the fact that the insults are out of line, why would you give up on someone like that? Maybe he's just mistaken. Didn't you have a time when you had different beliefs and changed your views for the better? I certainly did. These things are possible.
Rebuke with the left hand [weaker hand], hold on to the person with the right hand [stronger hand].
Ron, I think you can find a more effective way of expressing the need to make Aliyah to a fellow Jew who is in the galut. I respect your passion, and you are a good Jew with great righteous conviction, but why not seek to build a relationship with our brother where he feels as if you speak to him out of love rather than anger? Ahavat Yisrael. Are you communicating that you are concerned with the well being of his Jewish soul in a way he can sense or believe?
I'll answer you the same way I answered KWRBT.
Hyades felt that the fact that even though JTF fights for Israel is less important than the fact that "his" country GermaNaziny is being bashed here for a while. The fact that JTF fights against a second Holocaust for Jews in Israel means nothing for him when it comes to "his" lovely GermaNaziny. The blood of Jews is less important for him than the so-called honor the Reich has.
I wasn't the only one who responded to him this way. Zelhar answered him as well and with courtesy but he just go away. You will have the answer if he can be saved if he ever comes back to respond to any.
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I reason that if ron wants to tirade Hyades a 'galut-kike', he should be tirading Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews on this forum, except for Chaim, a 'galut-kike'. This makes sense right?
You love reasoning but you're not a critical thinker, are you Robert?
Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews never left their Judaism like that. They didn't ignore what Judaism commands them to do and still they plan to make Aliyah some when in the future. Even when the USA was bashed, cursed and humiliated in this forum (and they were occasions!) they didn't leave the movement. Why is that? because JTF fights for justice and most importantly fights for justice for Israel - what they conisder above all, unlike Hyades who was insulted by the non-European way to express hatred towards the country that committed the most murderous atrocity against the Jewish people.
He gave up on the Land of Israel but the others haven't. That makes big difference that I know you will never be able to understand - so just... don't try to.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even god himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
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I reason that if ron wants to tirade Hyades a 'galut-kike', he should be tirading Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews on this forum, except for Chaim, a 'galut-kike'. This makes sense right?
You love reasoning...
Yes, I like reasoning.
Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews never left their Judaism like that.
But yóú did. You went muslim. Turning muslim has disqualified you for all eternity to criticize any other human.
They didn't ignore what Judaism commands them to do and still they plan to make Aliyah some when in the future. Even when the USA was bashed, cursed and humiliated in this forum (and they were occasions!) they didn't leave the movement. Why is that? because JTF fights for justice and most importantly fights for justice for Israel - what they conisder above all, unlike Hyades who was insulted by the non-European way to express hatred towards the country that committed the most murderous atrocity against the Jewish people.
He gave up on the Land of Israel but the others haven't. That makes big difference that I know you will never be able to understand - so just... don't try to.
Hyades left JTF; that does not imply/necessarily mean he left Judaïsm. And although it may appear to be so, JTF does not possess a patent on 'justice for Israel'.
It is not certain at all that Hyades will never move to Israel, just like it is not at all certain that every other non-Israeli Jew on this forum wíll move to Israel.
Besides all this, Hyades is not near as old as Lisa and Muman. He has plenty of time untill he reaches their age.
Please, let's stay critical. I only want fairness. I want to see you tirade just as much against Lisa and Muman as you did against Hyades.
And what you claim to know means just as much as islam to me: ...nothing.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
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Yes, I like reasoning.
Now you went childish. Again. When will you learn Spiraling Kitty?
Hyades left JTF; that does not imply/necessarily mean he left Judaïsm. And although it may appear to be so, JTF does not possess a patent on 'justice for Israel'.
is that how Dutch people think?
I said he left Judaism by deciding to stay in Germany. By that, he gave up on his Jewish destiny and mission in the world. Until he chooses otherwise, he left his Judaism by choice but can still be rebuked and even come back.
It is not certain at all that Hyades will never move to Israel,
I don't know about you, but I tend to believe him. It's very logical for a wealthy Jew in Germany who doesn't want to be poor (by moving to Socialist Israel) to stay in Germany (but still wrong, of course).
Besides all this, Hyades is not near as old as Lisa and Muman. He has plenty of time untill he reaches their age.
What does that have to do with anything? Hyades is mature enough to decide for himself.
Please, let's stay critical. I only want fairness. I want to see you tirade just as much against Lisa and Muman as you did against Hyades.
Give me reason to "tirade" against Lisa and Muman. That's the problem with you Robert - your "reasoning" gets you into conclusions far from reality that you believe in fanatically.
I have nothing to "tirade' Lisa and Muman against, from what I see. If you desire, you may target my "tirading" on what Hyades tell us he is.
And what you claim to know means just as much as islam to me: ...nothing.
:::D :::D
You want a candy?
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
Who gave him this right?
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Haydes seems like a good person but it is a fact he doesn't understand at all what it means to be a Jew.
I really don't want to insult Haydes or anyone, especially a convert or son of converts. But I think Haydes has just helped me understand why chazal said
קשים גרים לישראל כספחת.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
Who gave him this right?
nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
Who gave him this right?
nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.
Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.
Your reason and logic are fraud.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
Who gave him this right?
nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.
Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.
Your reason and logic are fraud.
so if you will be the prime minister you will forbid the population to leave israel?
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
Who gave him this right?
nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.
Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.
Your reason and logic are fraud.
so if you will be the prime minister you will forbid the population to leave israel?
I'll answer you the moment you will answer me.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
That's something different.
But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and GOD has a "right" to punish them for their sins.
Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences. I hope he will not choose that. Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin. B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
Who gave him this right?
nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.
Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.
Your reason and logic are fraud.
so if you will be the prime minister you will forbid the population to leave israel?
I'll answer you the moment you will answer me.
this question was my answer.
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where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.
Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah. It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel. It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.
and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
That's something different.
But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.
Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences. I hope he will not choose that. Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin. B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.
and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes and they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).
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Hyades even me who lives in America knows I belong in Israel
If you realize one thing realize this; If you ever been to Israel it wont hit you that that Israel is your country until you come back to Munich airport and you realize , whoh man , where did all the Jews go??!!!.
Think about it, there is a reason why there is a Jewish center in Germany its because they aren't your people even if you like them and they like you.
And one last thing Hyades its not your fault you feel Germany is your country ,... The worst thing G-d ever did was put us in the exile.... you never left Israel we got kicked out , yes now we got it back but you have been assimilated for over 2000 years what does G-d expect?
Its not your fault and I certainly don't condemn you for living in Germany its hard to get up and and go to a new land and a new culture ( currently learning Hebrew for when I make aliah and its a real b**** I will never speak it as good as English) that's why we keep the commandments so our culture wont be foreign when we go back unfortunately we need a Kahanist government to make that happen.. that's something you would be PROUD to call Your land
Remember when we criticize Germany we aren't criticizing you. We aren't bad people, Please don't condemn us like that..
Don't leave by just insulting us when we never insulted you or the Jews!.....You are a Jew/Israelite!..
..Right?
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and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
That's something different.
But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.
Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences. I hope he will not choose that. Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin. B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.
and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes
Where do you get this nonsense from? Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil. ??? They have it completely backwards. And as a result, so do you.
iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).
I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating. The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.
Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us? You know better than G-d? :::D Time to get real.
Get one thing straight. All sins are punished and all good deeds are rewarded. Whether in this world or the next. There are consequences to your (and everyone's) actions. Period. So your philosophy of ideal as only self-invented and only "theory" is a lie and distortion.
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and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
That's something different.
But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.
Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences. I hope he will not choose that. Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin. B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.
and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes
Where do you get this nonsense from? Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil. ??? They have it completely backwards. And as a result, so do you.
iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).
I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating. The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.
Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us? You know better than G-d? :::D Time to get real.
it is realy said if your only proof is god.
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and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
That's something different.
But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.
Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences. I hope he will not choose that. Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin. B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.
and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes
Where do you get this nonsense from? Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil. ??? They have it completely backwards. And as a result, so do you.
iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).
I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating. The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.
Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us? You know better than G-d? :::D Time to get real.
it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
Ill take G-ds word over yours any day...
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
When we do what the Torah says, we are Jewish. When we don't do what the Torah says, we defeat the entire purpose of creation and we surely cannot call ourselves Jewish any more than a black hebro can. In that case it would be a situation of everyone making up their own nonsense ideas and living by them. So the hebro is equally correct as you. Equally INcorrect.
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
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and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.
That's something different.
But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.
Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences. I hope he will not choose that. Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin. B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.
and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes
Where do you get this nonsense from? Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil. ??? They have it completely backwards. And as a result, so do you.
iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).
I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating. The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.
Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us? You know better than G-d? :::D Time to get real.
it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
Ill take G-ds word over yours any day...
when you wwill not need to use god in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?
I don't think ben even knows what he believes. What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?
I don't think ben even knows what he believes. What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.
Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?
I don't think ben even knows what he believes. What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.
Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?
With all due respect, he's not smart enough or mature enough to even understand the term. I don't see him articulating anything even internally consistent. He is simply shooting off at the mouth.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?
I don't think ben even knows what he believes. What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.
Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?
sorry.i can't be considered as a post modernist beacuse a simple reason: i beleive in objective truth.but i beleive the ultimate objective truth to be science and not god.at leat not your god.
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?
I don't think ben even knows what he believes. What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.
Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?
sorry.i can't be considered as a post modernist beacuse a simple reason: i beleive in objective truth.but i beleive the ultimate objective truth to be science and not G-d.at leat not your G-d.
So you worship strange gods too... Ben you are such a nebuch...
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Patriotism is not logical. Why is the 'state' so important that it must survive? Sounds like a communist ideology... Everything is not important, religion included, for the good of the state...
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?
I don't think ben even knows what he believes. What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.
Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?
sorry.i can't be considered as a post modernist beacuse a simple reason: i beleive in objective truth.but i beleive the ultimate objective truth to be science and not G-d.at leat not your G-d.
So you worship strange gods too... Ben you are such a nebuch...
i don't worship foreign gods.i don't worship any god.but i said that if i will meet a scientific proof for gods' existence i am sure it is not ron's god but at least a benefical god.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Patriotism is not logical. Why is the 'state' so important that it must survive? Sounds like a communist ideology... Everything is not important, religion included, for the good of the state...
the state is the ultimate human creation.besides all of the people here wants to ensure the survival of israel.
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it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.
You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).
G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one. That you reject it is your own mistake.
You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs." Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d. (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe). Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point. I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it. Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.
Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.
Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?
I don't think ben even knows what he believes. What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.
Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?
sorry.i can't be considered as a post modernist beacuse a simple reason: i beleive in objective truth.but i beleive the ultimate objective truth to be science and not G-d.at leat not your G-d.
So you worship strange gods too... Ben you are such a nebuch...
i don't worship foreign gods.i don't worship any G-d.but i said that if i will meet a scientific proof for gods' existence i am sure it is not ron's G-d but at least a benefical G-d.
There is only ONE GOD and you profane his name every day... I truly hope you wake up from your deep slumber some day...
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Patriotism is not logical. Why is the 'state' so important that it must survive? Sounds like a communist ideology... Everything is not important, religion included, for the good of the state...
the state is the ultimate human creation.besides all of the people here wants to ensure the survival of israel.
Jews in Israel are only because Hashem promised the land to our forefathers. Otherwise you would be in Uganda Ben...
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Who says you have to stick to a state? That's not logical. Go where it's safe. Go where it's economically viable. Go where you are happy or can find cheap drugs or whatever it is you are into (please don't rot your brain, ben). Patriotism is not a concept built on logic or science. Patriotism is in its essence an irrational human-emotional concept. Try again.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Patriotism is not logical. Why is the 'state' so important that it must survive? Sounds like a communist ideology... Everything is not important, religion included, for the good of the state...
the state is the ultimate human creation.besides all of the people here wants to ensure the survival of israel.
Jews in Israel are only because Hashem promised the land to our forefathers. Otherwise you would be in Uganda Ben...
in that case i would be an ugandan patriot.
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the state is the ultimate human creation.
LOL, spoken like a true fascist.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Who says you have to stick to a state? That's not logical. Go where it's safe. Go where it's economically viable. Go where you are happy or can find cheap drugs or whatever it is you are into (please don't rot your brain, ben). Patriotism is not a concept built on logic or science. Patriotism is in its essence an irrational human-emotional concept. Try again.
yuck,all the illogical reasons to leave the state.and yes i am HUMAN being so i can't control my emotions (hormones).
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patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
For a further reason why this is incorrect, the patriotism of imbeciles is actually quite contrary to the survival and expansion of a state. And I know this to be true because I understand how evolution works. Can you say the same, or you only studied newtonian physics with the bumper cars and the lasers?
While we're on the subject, why are you convinced the state has to expand? Who says that is needed or a necessary goal? What you have said here is not scientific and is actually baseless unfounded conjecture.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Who says you have to stick to a state? That's not logical. Go where it's safe. Go where it's economically viable. Go where you are happy or can find cheap drugs or whatever it is you are into (please don't rot your brain, ben). Patriotism is not a concept built on logic or science. Patriotism is in its essence an irrational human-emotional concept. Try again.
yuck,all the illogical reasons to leave the state.and yes i am HUMAN being so i can't control my emotions (hormones).
You just told me the debate has to stick to science and logic. Since when do "emotions" fall under those categories or constitute scientific arguments? You are running around in circles because you have no idea what you are saying.
And you are completely incorrect when you say emotions cannot be controlled. Scientifically you are proven wrong in that assertion. Are you going to deny scientific fact now too?
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patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
For a further reason why this is incorrect, the patriotism of imbeciles is actually quite contrary to the survival and expansion of a state. And I know this to be true because I understand how evolution works. Can you say the same, are you only studied newtonian physics with the bumper cars and the lasers?
While we're on the subject, why are you convinced the state has to expand? Who says that is needed or a necessary goal? What you have said here is not scientific and is actually baseless unfounded conjecture.
the stae had to expand so to help human kind develop ( a lot of scientific invention made during war time or for the army like the tank,the radar,the gps,the atomic bomb and nuclear power plants,etc).
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patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
For a further reason why this is incorrect, the patriotism of imbeciles is actually quite contrary to the survival and expansion of a state. And I know this to be true because I understand how evolution works. Can you say the same, are you only studied newtonian physics with the bumper cars and the lasers?
While we're on the subject, why are you convinced the state has to expand? Who says that is needed or a necessary goal? What you have said here is not scientific and is actually baseless unfounded conjecture.
the stae had to expand so to help human kind develop ( a lot of scientific invention made during war time or for the army like the tank,the radar,the gps,the atomic bomb and nuclear power plants,etc).
How do you define "develop?" And who says human kind has to develop?
I think you fail to understand the concept of rhetorical question. Your silly answers have not made your problems of illogic and inconsistency go away.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Who says you have to stick to a state? That's not logical. Go where it's safe. Go where it's economically viable. Go where you are happy or can find cheap drugs or whatever it is you are into (please don't rot your brain, ben). Patriotism is not a concept built on logic or science. Patriotism is in its essence an irrational human-emotional concept. Try again.
yuck,all the illogical reasons to leave the state.and yes i am HUMAN being so i can't control my emotions (hormones).
You just told me the debate has to stick to science and logic. Since when do "emotions" fall under those categories or constitute scientific arguments? You are running around in circles because you have no idea what you are saying.
And you are completely incorrect when you say emotions cannot be controlled. Scientifically you are proven wrong in that assertion. Are you going to deny scientific fact now too?
i acn control my everyfday emotions like pity and anger,but i can't block my natural feeling to stick with the herd (the state).
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patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
For a further reason why this is incorrect, the patriotism of imbeciles is actually quite contrary to the survival and expansion of a state. And I know this to be true because I understand how evolution works. Can you say the same, are you only studied newtonian physics with the bumper cars and the lasers?
While we're on the subject, why are you convinced the state has to expand? Who says that is needed or a necessary goal? What you have said here is not scientific and is actually baseless unfounded conjecture.
the stae had to expand so to help human kind develop ( a lot of scientific invention made during war time or for the army like the tank,the radar,the gps,the atomic bomb and nuclear power plants,etc).
How do you define "develop?" And who says human kind has to develop?
I think you fail to understand the concept of rhetorical question. Your silly answers have not made your problems of illogic and inconsistency go away.
the only development i care for is a scientific and millitary development.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Who says you have to stick to a state? That's not logical. Go where it's safe. Go where it's economically viable. Go where you are happy or can find cheap drugs or whatever it is you are into (please don't rot your brain, ben). Patriotism is not a concept built on logic or science. Patriotism is in its essence an irrational human-emotional concept. Try again.
yuck,all the illogical reasons to leave the state.and yes i am HUMAN being so i can't control my emotions (hormones).
You just told me the debate has to stick to science and logic. Since when do "emotions" fall under those categories or constitute scientific arguments? You are running around in circles because you have no idea what you are saying.
And you are completely incorrect when you say emotions cannot be controlled. Scientifically you are proven wrong in that assertion. Are you going to deny scientific fact now too?
i acn control my everyfday emotions like pity and anger,but i can't block my natural feeling to stick with the herd (the state).
Let's say I grant you maybe you can't, but there are other people who can. The fact remains that patriotism is not a logical or scientific reason to do anything. Patriotism is actually a spiritual-emotional concept. There is no way around that.
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when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.
Patriotism is not scientific.
Nor is it logical.
Your serve, clown.
patriotism is the best logical way to ensure the survival snd the expansion of the state.
Who says you have to stick to a state? That's not logical. Go where it's safe. Go where it's economically viable. Go where you are happy or can find cheap drugs or whatever it is you are into (please don't rot your brain, ben). Patriotism is not a concept built on logic or science. Patriotism is in its essence an irrational human-emotional concept. Try again.
yuck,all the illogical reasons to leave the state.and yes i am HUMAN being so i can't control my emotions (hormones).
You just told me the debate has to stick to science and logic. Since when do "emotions" fall under those categories or constitute scientific arguments? You are running around in circles because you have no idea what you are saying.
And you are completely incorrect when you say emotions cannot be controlled. Scientifically you are proven wrong in that assertion. Are you going to deny scientific fact now too?
i acn control my everyfday emotions like pity and anger,but i can't block my natural feeling to stick with the herd (the state).
Let's say I grant you maybe you can't, but there are other people who can. The fact remains that patriotism is not a logical or scientific reason to do anything. Patriotism is actually a spiritual-emotional concept. There is no way around that.
patriotism is basicaly sticking with the herd.theherd in this sense is the state.do you want to live under under different nations that don't care about you and want to kill you?
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the only development i care for is a scientific and millitary development.
But other people like other kinds of development. Some people like economic development, others like educational development, development of the arts, development of profound philosophical tradition, etc. Who says that your preferred development is more important than theirs? And who says ANY of these notions are necessities that thereby obligate a person in commitment to its furtherance? There is simply no logical reason for anyone to commit to any of these things except "Well, I like that" or "well, I care for that." That is not scientific or logical. That is simply your personal desires which you project onto everyone else.
You missed the point of what I was saying which is that there is no logical reason why a state has to expand (or contract, or stay the same) by default in any situation. You simply determined that as the end goal and then made a religion out of it. But who says it's true? On what authority do you assert it thus? NONE, nadda, zilch, zero.
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the only development i care for is a scientific and millitary development.
But other people like other kinds of development. Some people like economic development, others like educational development, development of the arts, development of profound philosophical tradition, etc. Who says that your preferred development is more important than theirs? And who says ANY of these notions are necessities that thereby obligate a person in commitment to its furtherance? There is simply no logical reason for anyone to commit to any of these things except "Well, I like that" or "well, I care for that." That is not scientific or logical. That is simply your personal desires which you project onto everyone else.
You missed the point of what I was saying which is that there is no logical reason why a state has to expand (or contract, or stay the same) by default in any situation. You simply determined that as the end goal and then made a religion out of it. But who says it's true? On what authority do you assert it thus? NONE, nadda, zilch, zero.
i based this claims on theauthority of some of the best thinker ever existed.
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the only development i care for is a scientific and millitary development.
But other people like other kinds of development. Some people like economic development, others like educational development, development of the arts, development of profound philosophical tradition, etc. Who says that your preferred development is more important than theirs? And who says ANY of these notions are necessities that thereby obligate a person in commitment to its furtherance? There is simply no logical reason for anyone to commit to any of these things except "Well, I like that" or "well, I care for that." That is not scientific or logical. That is simply your personal desires which you project onto everyone else.
You missed the point of what I was saying which is that there is no logical reason why a state has to expand (or contract, or stay the same) by default in any situation. You simply determined that as the end goal and then made a religion out of it. But who says it's true? On what authority do you assert it thus? NONE, nadda, zilch, zero.
i based this claims on theauthority of some of the best thinker ever existed.
But that's not an answer.................
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the only development i care for is a scientific and millitary development.
But other people like other kinds of development. Some people like economic development, others like educational development, development of the arts, development of profound philosophical tradition, etc. Who says that your preferred development is more important than theirs? And who says ANY of these notions are necessities that thereby obligate a person in commitment to its furtherance? There is simply no logical reason for anyone to commit to any of these things except "Well, I like that" or "well, I care for that." That is not scientific or logical. That is simply your personal desires which you project onto everyone else.
You missed the point of what I was saying which is that there is no logical reason why a state has to expand (or contract, or stay the same) by default in any situation. You simply determined that as the end goal and then made a religion out of it. But who says it's true? On what authority do you assert it thus? NONE, nadda, zilch, zero.
i based this claims on theauthority of some of the best thinker ever existed.
Ben, you must bring some proof and not just make claims like 'the authority of soem of the best thinker ever existed".... Who are you referring to?
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Hyades,
I haven't been here long, but I found all the posts I read from you interesting and relevant. It would be really a pity if you leave us.
Actually, the fact that you defend your country against silly and unfair generalizations is a sign of loyalty and you should be proud of it.
Don't let yourself get hurt by childish or provocative or disrespectful remarks.
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patriotism is basicaly sticking with the herd.theherd in this sense is the state.do you want to live under under different nations that don't care about you and want to kill you?
There are plenty of nations that don't want to kill me. In America, the state does not want to kill me. Most of the populace is pro-Israel and so is the congress despite what creature sits in the oval office and the animals in the state dept. But even the animals in the state dept right now are incapable of attacking Jewish American citizens. The govt system prevents them (at least within a given timeframe). This situation is similarly true in many countries, including Australia, etc. For the given timeframe that there is no hostility and the govt is incapable of carrying out pogroms or killings of Jews, (ie until the time comes when the situation escalates and erupts like it always does and of course will given enough time) there is no logical reason to be patriotic or stuck to any other piece of land if here lies the economic opportunity, or the pleasure, or the fun, or the safety, or the serenity, etc etc.
But let's take this a step further. What I said was very theoretical and nice, but the reality is what refutes your incoherent point. The Israeli govt does want Israelis to die and puts their lives in danger again and again for the sake of "peace" accords with the Arabs. When the Israeli govt imported Arafat and his terrorist thugs from Tunis and armed them, and then they started blowing up buses and murdering daily, is it in anyway logical to stay in Israel based on patriotism? Patriotic to what? To Shimon Peres? Are you saying that when they did these things it was because "they care about me?"
Patriotism is not logical, especially not yours. The Israeli state is equally loyal (if not moreso) to its Arab citizens who want you and the state destroyed, to the terrorist PLO 'peace' partners, to Hamas, to the UN, to the US, to the EU, to the "community of nations" and the usurper and squatter Arabs sitting in Judea and Samaria - than it is to you. "YOU" are not the state's interest. The pseudo-fascist mentality Israelis are brainwashed with is by design so that "YOU" don't comprehend this simple self-evident fact.
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the only development i care for is a scientific and millitary development.
But other people like other kinds of development. Some people like economic development, others like educational development, development of the arts, development of profound philosophical tradition, etc. Who says that your preferred development is more important than theirs? And who says ANY of these notions are necessities that thereby obligate a person in commitment to its furtherance? There is simply no logical reason for anyone to commit to any of these things except "Well, I like that" or "well, I care for that." That is not scientific or logical. That is simply your personal desires which you project onto everyone else.
You missed the point of what I was saying which is that there is no logical reason why a state has to expand (or contract, or stay the same) by default in any situation. You simply determined that as the end goal and then made a religion out of it. But who says it's true? On what authority do you assert it thus? NONE, nadda, zilch, zero.
i based this claims on theauthority of some of the best thinker ever existed.
What thinker? You have not answered the question. There are many thinkers and often thinkers disagree with one another. Why are you an authority to pick the "best" and decide which one is correct while the others are wrong.
But once again you have missed the point. There is no logical or scientific reason why any given state must expand. Therefore there is no logical reason to devote myself to a state's expansion. But more at the root of the problem, there is no logical reason I should devote myself to the state's anything.
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the only development i care for is a scientific and millitary development.
But other people like other kinds of development. Some people like economic development, others like educational development, development of the arts, development of profound philosophical tradition, etc. Who says that your preferred development is more important than theirs? And who says ANY of these notions are necessities that thereby obligate a person in commitment to its furtherance? There is simply no logical reason for anyone to commit to any of these things except "Well, I like that" or "well, I care for that." That is not scientific or logical. That is simply your personal desires which you project onto everyone else.
You missed the point of what I was saying which is that there is no logical reason why a state has to expand (or contract, or stay the same) by default in any situation. You simply determined that as the end goal and then made a religion out of it. But who says it's true? On what authority do you assert it thus? NONE, nadda, zilch, zero.
i based this claims on theauthority of some of the best thinker ever existed.
What thinker? You have not answered the question. There are many thinkers and often thinkers disagree with one another. Why are you an authority to pick the "best" and decide which one is correct while the others are wrong.
But once again you have missed the point. There is no logical or scientific reason why any given state must expand. Therefore there is no logical reason to devote myself to a state's expansion. But more at the root of the problem, there is no logical reason I should devote myself to the state's anything.
the state should expand in order to acuire resources and to ensure it's survival.
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the state should expand in order to acuire resources and to ensure it's survival.
Many states can acquire resources without expanding.
But while we're on the subject let's address something else you're overlooking. Who cares about a state's survival? Why does that matter? No objective reason why it does. If you say so that the humans can survive, they can survive without states, just as humans did for thousands of years before the idea came about.
But you are just going around in circles because you can't face the facts that your beliefs are irrational and not based on science or logic like you wish to think they are.
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I'm done arguing with you for now since you've obviously exhausted your own resources, but let's see if I give you some time to think about it if you can come up with anything interesting and/or new to say (will be back another time of course).
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the state should expand in order to acuire resources and to ensure it's survival.
Many states can acquire resources without expanding.
But while we're on the subject let's address something else you're overlooking. Who cares about a state's survival? Why does that matter? No objective reason why it does. If you say so that the humans can survive, they can survive without states, just as humans did for thousands of years before the idea came about.
But you are just going around in circles because you can't face the facts that your beliefs are irrational and not based on science or logic like you wish to think they are.
thye state is the ultimate human creation.this alone should make the state the most importan thing in the human life.
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We do not delete accounts. If you do not wish to be part of JTF, don't come to our forum.
Am I the last Jew who has enough self-respect to hate Germany for murdering over 6 million Jews? This thread disgusts me.
Hyades is a Jew who wants to leave this forum out of loyalty to Germany, and no one except for Ron Ben Michael understands how grotesque this is? Hyades is offended by attacks on Nazi Germany, which to this day does everything possible to help the Arabs perpetrate another holocaust against tiny Israel. Nazi Germany which is the leading nation in the Nazi European Union who demand day and night that Israel commit national suicide. Nazi Germany and the Nazi European Union which fund "Peace Now" and every traitor organization that is committed to getting Israel to self-destruct. Nazi Germany, which to this day has a public that is overwhelmingly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Hyades is offended? I am offended on behalf of 6 million murdered Jews that Hyades is loyal to Nazi Germany.
Ron Ben Michael has responded here like a Jew with self-respect.
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Amen Chaim. Thanks for stating what needed to be said
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I guess I'll be the devils advocate here, but I think Hyades is right; and I won't generalize all germans as being evil.
I think people need to understand, there is a difference between a country and its leaders, and nowhere is that more apparent that America.
I hate America's leaders/politicians and I have nothing but contempt for them, but if you go around saying all America is an 'evil' country because of our politicians' actions are evil, then yes I will be somewhat offended. I don't know if I'd leave this forum, but yes, I'd be offended.
Here in the US, there are countless wonderful Jews and righteous gentiles who hate Obama. and love Israel. And the same is true in Europe; albeit, in a smaller percentage, but they are there.
If we generalize every other country as being evil, its gonna come back and hurt us as we try to build bridges with other righteous gentiles around the globe. Especially as younger Gentile Europeans are slowly starting to warm-up to people Like Geert Wilders; they would LOVE groups like JTF.
YES I HATE nearly ALL of Europe's leaders, BUT, when I see people like Geert, who is now the statistical favorite to become the next PM, it gives me hope.
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No doubt Germany is guilty of a great offense against the Jewish people. I don't know why anyone would want to stay there. I am the first one to condemn the nazis and all who sat by as the nazis killed so many Jews.
I do understand how a person who is born into a society wants to believe that it is good. Especially young German Jews who may not have any relations to those who suffered during the Churban. We should condemn mightily the depraved acts of the German people and we should reach out to help get those Jews who are in the Galut to want to make aliyah.
I don't know if threatening them with turning their backs on their people will be able to accomplish this goal. I hope that more work can be done by Jewish organizations to arrange for Aliyah to Israel. I will make that step soon, I estimate within the next 10 years.
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I do understand how a person who is born into a society wants to believe that it is good.
Muman, I think its great that you are working towards Aliyah, but once you leave, and you hear a fellow Israeli say all America is evil because of Obama and his actions, would you be at least somewhat offended?
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I guess I'll be the devils advocate here, but I think Hyades is right; and I won't generalize all germans as being evil.
I think people need to understand, there is a difference between a country and its leaders, and nowhere is that more apparent that America.
I hate America's leaders/politicians and I have nothing but contempt for them, but if you go around saying all America is an 'evil' country because of our politicians' actions are evil, then yes I will be somewhat offended. I don't know if I'd leave this forum, but yes, I'd be offended.
Here in the US, there are countless wonderful Jews and righteous gentiles who hate Obama. and love Israel. And the same is true in Europe; albeit, in a smaller percentage, but they are there.
If we generalize every other country as being evil, its gonna come back and hurt us as we try to build bridges with other righteous gentiles around the globe. Especially as younger Gentile Europeans are slowly starting to warm-up to people Like Geert Wilders; they would LOVE groups like JTF.
YES I HATE nearly ALL of Europe's leaders, BUT, when I see people like Geert, who is now the statistical favorite to become the next PM, it gives me hope.
בס''ד
Germany murdered 6 million Jews. The German people murdered 6 million Jews. To say otherwise is to engage in holocaust revisionism. If after committing the most atrocious crime in human history, the Germans of today are viciously anti-Israel, then it is obvious that nothing has really changed except that Germany was defeated in the war. The goal of exterminating the Jews continues, with the Arab Nazis now doing the dirty work that the German Nazis once did with enthusiasm.
Geert Wilders is pro-Israel and I support him. But he is a strong political leader in Holland, not Germany.
For a Jew to love Germany and be loyal to Germany after what happened in the holocaust is the ultimate example of self-hatred.
If there are Germans who truly hate Nazism and sincerely condemn anti-Semitism and sincerely support Israel, then I have nothing against them but they are clearly a small minority.
I will never forget and never forgive the murder of 6 million Jews. If Germans sincerely regretted what their parents and grandparents did, then they would be the biggest supporters of Israel today after knowing that their people had committed the cruelest and most barbarous crime in human history. Instead the vast majority of Germans support the Arab Nazis who seek to finish Hitler's job.
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I do understand how a person who is born into a society wants to believe that it is good.
Muman, I think its great that you are working towards Aliyah, but once you leave, and you hear a fellow Israeli say all America is evil because of Obama and his actions, would you be at least somewhat offended?
I would not defend Obama for a second. I believe I will have good memories of America because for the most part we have been very successful here in America. I am 3rd generation American as my family {both mother and father} came from Europe in the late 1890s. Every generation was more sucessful than the previous... I know I will be successful in Israel because I have the skills that they need. The company I work for just last year purchased an Israeli company in Tel Aviv. I know I could work there, and there is another company I know in Israel whom I know some of the long-time employees.
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I guess I'll be the devils advocate here, but I think Hyades is right; and I won't generalize all germans as being evil.
I think people need to understand, there is a difference between a country and its leaders, and nowhere is that more apparent that America.
I hate America's leaders/politicians and I have nothing but contempt for them, but if you go around saying all America is an 'evil' country because of our politicians' actions are evil, then yes I will be somewhat offended. I don't know if I'd leave this forum, but yes, I'd be offended.
Here in the US, there are countless wonderful Jews and righteous gentiles who hate Obama. and love Israel. And the same is true in Europe; albeit, in a smaller percentage, but they are there.
If we generalize every other country as being evil, its gonna come back and hurt us as we try to build bridges with other righteous gentiles around the globe. Especially as younger Gentile Europeans are slowly starting to warm-up to people Like Geert Wilders; they would LOVE groups like JTF.
YES I HATE nearly ALL of Europe's leaders, BUT, when I see people like Geert, who is now the statistical favorite to become the next PM, it gives me hope.
בס''ד
Germany murdered 6 million Jews. The German people murdered 6 million Jews. To say otherwise is to engage in holocaust revisionism. If after committing the most atrocious crime in human history, the Germans of today are viciously anti-Israel, then it is obvious that nothing has really changed except that Germany was defeated in the war. The goal of exterminating the Jews continues, with the Arab Nazis now doing the dirty work that the German Nazis once did with enthusiasm.
Geert Wilders is pro-Israel and I support him. But he is a strong political leader in Holland, not Germany.
For a Jew to love Germany and be loyal to Germany after what happened in the holocaust is the ultimate example of self-hatred.
If there are Germans who truly hate Nazism and sincerely condemn anti-Semitism and sincerely support Israel, then I have nothing against them but they are clearly a small minority.
I will never forget and never forgive the murder of 6 million Jews. If Germans sincerely regretted what their parents and grandparents did, then they would be the biggest supporters of Israel today after knowing that their people had committed the cruelest and most barbarous crime in human history. Instead the vast majority of Germans support the Arab Nazis who seek to finish Hitler's job.
I understand that, and have said that I will always be skeptical of German (and Austrian) politics because of this for eternity, but I just want the JTF to be part of what I see as a new movement that has sprung up from nowhere in Europe. Geert's followers have something in common with our gentile followers here, they are young and righteous and pissed off as hell at how the unrighteous have destroyed their country. I want to encourage them, wherever possible to join our movement or at least be aligned with our ideology. The same dynamics that make the JTF a popular draw for the righteous here, are applicable there, at least to some degree.
That is why I dont like generalizations about all Europeans.
BUT there is NO QUESTION that Europe has been OVERWHELMINGLY pro-nazi and pro-Arab, and I have never been a pro-European kinda guy. NOTHING can exuse their evil actions. But again, Im just thinking about building as many bridges we can to the Geert followers.
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If Germans sincerely regretted what their parents and grandparents did, then they would be the biggest supporters of Israel today after knowing that their people had committed the cruelest and most barbarous crime in human history
That's very true. Germany could and should have done a lot more to support Israel. There is not enough awareness of this.
Also, let us not forget that Germany got away much too lightly and easily with what it had done after WWII. Germany, and many of its allies, came nowhere close to the punishment they should have received considering the gravity of the crime they had committed. Nothing disgusts me more than to think of the happy lives that a lot of former Nazis led after the war, in Latin America, in the US, in Europe and even in Germany itself.
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"Hitler's Willing Executioners" (1996) is a book by American writer Daniel Goldhagen that posits that ordinary Germans not only knew about, but also supported, the Holocaust.
Goldhagen's thesis about the Germans (and one to which I subscribe) is as follows:
"The German perpetrators of the Holocaust treated Jews in all the brutal and lethal ways that they did because, by and large, they believed that what they were doing was right and necessary. Second, that there was long existing, virulent antisemitism in German society that led to the desire on the part of the vast majority of Germans to eliminate Jews somehow from German society. Third, that any explanation of the Holocaust must address and specify the causal relationship between antisemitism in Germany and the persecution and extermination of the Jews which so many ordinary Germans contributed to and supported."
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I guess I'll be the devils advocate here, but I think Hyades is right; and I won't generalize all germans as being evil.
I think people need to understand, there is a difference between a country and its leaders, and nowhere is that more apparent that America.
I hate America's leaders/politicians and I have nothing but contempt for them, but if you go around saying all America is an 'evil' country because of our politicians' actions are evil, then yes I will be somewhat offended. I don't know if I'd leave this forum, but yes, I'd be offended.
Here in the US, there are countless wonderful Jews and righteous gentiles who hate Obama. and love Israel. And the same is true in Europe; albeit, in a smaller percentage, but they are there.
If we generalize every other country as being evil, its gonna come back and hurt us as we try to build bridges with other righteous gentiles around the globe. Especially as younger Gentile Europeans are slowly starting to warm-up to people Like Geert Wilders; they would LOVE groups like JTF.
YES I HATE nearly ALL of Europe's leaders, BUT, when I see people like Geert, who is now the statistical favorite to become the next PM, it gives me hope.
בס''ד
Germany murdered 6 million Jews. The German people murdered 6 million Jews. To say otherwise is to engage in holocaust revisionism. If after committing the most atrocious crime in human history, the Germans of today are viciously anti-Israel, then it is obvious that nothing has really changed except that Germany was defeated in the war. The goal of exterminating the Jews continues, with the Arab Nazis now doing the dirty work that the German Nazis once did with enthusiasm.
Geert Wilders is pro-Israel and I support him. But he is a strong political leader in Holland, not Germany.
For a Jew to love Germany and be loyal to Germany after what happened in the holocaust is the ultimate example of self-hatred.
If there are Germans who truly hate Nazism and sincerely condemn anti-Semitism and sincerely support Israel, then I have nothing against them but they are clearly a small minority.
I will never forget and never forgive the murder of 6 million Jews. If Germans sincerely regretted what their parents and grandparents did, then they would be the biggest supporters of Israel today after knowing that their people had committed the cruelest and most barbarous crime in human history. Instead the vast majority of Germans support the Arab Nazis who seek to finish Hitler's job.
so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
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I guess I'll be the devils advocate here, but I think Hyades is right; and I won't generalize all germans as being evil.
I think people need to understand, there is a difference between a country and its leaders, and nowhere is that more apparent that America.
I hate America's leaders/politicians and I have nothing but contempt for them, but if you go around saying all America is an 'evil' country because of our politicians' actions are evil, then yes I will be somewhat offended. I don't know if I'd leave this forum, but yes, I'd be offended.
Here in the US, there are countless wonderful Jews and righteous gentiles who hate Obama. and love Israel. And the same is true in Europe; albeit, in a smaller percentage, but they are there.
If we generalize every other country as being evil, its gonna come back and hurt us as we try to build bridges with other righteous gentiles around the globe. Especially as younger Gentile Europeans are slowly starting to warm-up to people Like Geert Wilders; they would LOVE groups like JTF.
YES I HATE nearly ALL of Europe's leaders, BUT, when I see people like Geert, who is now the statistical favorite to become the next PM, it gives me hope.
בס''ד
Germany murdered 6 million Jews. The German people murdered 6 million Jews. To say otherwise is to engage in holocaust revisionism. If after committing the most atrocious crime in human history, the Germans of today are viciously anti-Israel, then it is obvious that nothing has really changed except that Germany was defeated in the war. The goal of exterminating the Jews continues, with the Arab Nazis now doing the dirty work that the German Nazis once did with enthusiasm.
Geert Wilders is pro-Israel and I support him. But he is a strong political leader in Holland, not Germany.
For a Jew to love Germany and be loyal to Germany after what happened in the holocaust is the ultimate example of self-hatred.
If there are Germans who truly hate Nazism and sincerely condemn anti-Semitism and sincerely support Israel, then I have nothing against them but they are clearly a small minority.
I will never forget and never forgive the murder of 6 million Jews. If Germans sincerely regretted what their parents and grandparents did, then they would be the biggest supporters of Israel today after knowing that their people had committed the cruelest and most barbarous crime in human history. Instead the vast majority of Germans support the Arab Nazis who seek to finish Hitler's job.
so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
Ben is correct here
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so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
Ben is correct here
I don't agree. Not all nations have persecuted Jews, at least not all nations to the same extent. From a historical point of view, it is obvious that Germany stands out in the list of antisemitic nations, especially in recent history. Again, that doesn't mean that all Germans are antisemites, particularly today's Germans. But that justifies some form of special treatment. Not all nations behaved the same way towards Jews. For example, Danes behaved much more honourably during WWII than, say, Germany or Poland.
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so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
Ben is correct here
I don't agree. Not all nations have persecuted Jews, at least not all nations to the same extent. From a historical point of view, it is obvious that Germany stands out in the list of antisemitic nations, especially in recent history. Again, that doesn't mean that all Germans are antisemites, particularly today's Germans. But that justifies some form of special treatment. Not all nations behaved the same way towards Jews. For example, Danes behaved much more honourably during WWII than, say, Germany or Poland.
True but the Poles were on the list of people to be destroyed.Poles were much more harshly treated then Danes
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Ben m says:so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
The Jews should hate every nation that persecuted The Jews, doesn't recognise what they did and is against The Jewish State.
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Ben m says:so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
The Jews should hate every nation that persecuted The Jews, doesn't recognise what they did and is against The Jewish State.
by your logic we need to hate the irish.they are today one of the most anti israel nation on earth.
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Ben m says:so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
The Jews should hate every nation that persecuted The Jews, doesn't recognise what they did and is against The Jewish State.
by your logic we need to hate the irish.they are today one of the most anti israel nation on earth.
Yes you should hate The Irish. Anyone who is anti Israel deserves to be hated. I hate my own people for what their doing.
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Ben m says:so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
The Jews should hate every nation that persecuted The Jews, doesn't recognise what they did and is against The Jewish State.
by your logic we need to hate the irish.they are today one of the most anti israel nation on earth.
Yes you should hate The Irish. Anyone who is anti Israel deserves to be hated. I hate my own people for what their doing.
okay.remember that.you hear me! everybody should hate brian.
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We do not delete accounts. If you do not wish to be part of JTF, don't come to our forum.
Am I the last Jew who has enough self-respect to hate Germany for murdering over 6 million Jews? This thread disgusts me.
Hyades is a Jew who wants to leave this forum out of loyalty to Germany, and no one except for Ron Ben Michael understands how grotesque this is?
It seems to me that Zelhar and I (and maybe others) also understood that.
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I guess I'll be the devils advocate here, but I think Hyades is right; and I won't generalize all germans as being evil.
I think people need to understand, there is a difference between a country and its leaders, and nowhere is that more apparent that America.
I hate America's leaders/politicians and I have nothing but contempt for them, but if you go around saying all America is an 'evil' country because of our politicians' actions are evil, then yes I will be somewhat offended. I don't know if I'd leave this forum, but yes, I'd be offended.
Here in the US, there are countless wonderful Jews and righteous gentiles who hate Obama. and love Israel. And the same is true in Europe; albeit, in a smaller percentage, but they are there.
If we generalize every other country as being evil, its gonna come back and hurt us as we try to build bridges with other righteous gentiles around the globe. Especially as younger Gentile Europeans are slowly starting to warm-up to people Like Geert Wilders; they would LOVE groups like JTF.
YES I HATE nearly ALL of Europe's leaders, BUT, when I see people like Geert, who is now the statistical favorite to become the next PM, it gives me hope.
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Germany murdered 6 million Jews. The German people murdered 6 million Jews. To say otherwise is to engage in holocaust revisionism. If after committing the most atrocious crime in human history, the Germans of today are viciously anti-Israel, then it is obvious that nothing has really changed except that Germany was defeated in the war. The goal of exterminating the Jews continues, with the Arab Nazis now doing the dirty work that the German Nazis once did with enthusiasm.
Geert Wilders is pro-Israel and I support him. But he is a strong political leader in Holland, not Germany.
For a Jew to love Germany and be loyal to Germany after what happened in the holocaust is the ultimate example of self-hatred.
If there are Germans who truly hate Nazism and sincerely condemn anti-Semitism and sincerely support Israel, then I have nothing against them but they are clearly a small minority.
I will never forget and never forgive the murder of 6 million Jews. If Germans sincerely regretted what their parents and grandparents did, then they would be the biggest supporters of Israel today after knowing that their people had committed the cruelest and most barbarous crime in human history. Instead the vast majority of Germans support the Arab Nazis who seek to finish Hitler's job.
so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
Not every nation murdered 6 million Jews. Just the WHITE german nation and their many white supporters, enablers and helpers (and of course they had the non-white muslims helping them too). Included in that list of enablers is Britain, Ukrainian nazis, Croatian nazis, Polish nazis, russian communist nazis etc etc. Wow, so many white people the list is staggering!
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Ben m says:so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
The Jews should hate every nation that persecuted The Jews, doesn't recognise what they did and is against The Jewish State.
by your logic we need to hate the irish.they are today one of the most anti israel nation on earth.
Yes you should hate The Irish. Anyone who is anti Israel deserves to be hated. I hate my own people for what their doing.
okay.remember that.you hear me! everybody should hate brian.
Don't be a moron.
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I guess I'll be the devils advocate here, but I think Hyades is right; and I won't generalize all germans as being evil.
I think people need to understand, there is a difference between a country and its leaders, and nowhere is that more apparent that America.
I hate America's leaders/politicians and I have nothing but contempt for them, but if you go around saying all America is an 'evil' country because of our politicians' actions are evil, then yes I will be somewhat offended. I don't know if I'd leave this forum, but yes, I'd be offended.
Here in the US, there are countless wonderful Jews and righteous gentiles who hate Obama. and love Israel. And the same is true in Europe; albeit, in a smaller percentage, but they are there.
If we generalize every other country as being evil, its gonna come back and hurt us as we try to build bridges with other righteous gentiles around the globe. Especially as younger Gentile Europeans are slowly starting to warm-up to people Like Geert Wilders; they would LOVE groups like JTF.
YES I HATE nearly ALL of Europe's leaders, BUT, when I see people like Geert, who is now the statistical favorite to become the next PM, it gives me hope.
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Germany murdered 6 million Jews. The German people murdered 6 million Jews. To say otherwise is to engage in holocaust revisionism. If after committing the most atrocious crime in human history, the Germans of today are viciously anti-Israel, then it is obvious that nothing has really changed except that Germany was defeated in the war. The goal of exterminating the Jews continues, with the Arab Nazis now doing the dirty work that the German Nazis once did with enthusiasm.
Geert Wilders is pro-Israel and I support him. But he is a strong political leader in Holland, not Germany.
For a Jew to love Germany and be loyal to Germany after what happened in the holocaust is the ultimate example of self-hatred.
If there are Germans who truly hate Nazism and sincerely condemn anti-Semitism and sincerely support Israel, then I have nothing against them but they are clearly a small minority.
I will never forget and never forgive the murder of 6 million Jews. If Germans sincerely regretted what their parents and grandparents did, then they would be the biggest supporters of Israel today after knowing that their people had committed the cruelest and most barbarous crime in human history. Instead the vast majority of Germans support the Arab Nazis who seek to finish Hitler's job.
so what do you say chaim? that we need to hate all the other nations beacuse almost every nationon earth did something against jews in the past? this is nonsense.
Not every nation murdered 6 million Jews. Just the WHITE german nation and their many white supporters, enablers and helpers (and of course they had the non-white muslims helping them too). Included in that list of enablers is Britain, Ukrainian nazis, Croatian nazis, Polish nazis, russian communist nazis etc etc. Wow, so many white people the list is staggering!
you aare just an anti white racist.
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you aare just an anti white racist.
Pointing out what various white peoples did by murdering 6 million of my people makes me a racist? How so? I also hold the Mufti and his "Muslim legion" responsible, and I also hate the Arabs who tried to wipe out Israel multiple times. Oh but that's right you consider Muslims white... Either way, how am I racist against whites?
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you aare just an anti white racist.
Pointing out what various white peoples did by murdering 6 million of my people makes me a racist? How so? I also hold the Mufti and his "Muslim legion" responsible, and I also hate the Arabs who tried to wipe out Israel multiple times. Oh but that's right you consider Muslims white... Either way, how am I racist against whites?
you always saying anti whites sayings.you are bullying me and c4j beacuse we want a better future for the white race.
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you aare just an anti white racist.
Pointing out what various white peoples did by murdering 6 million of my people makes me a racist? How so? I also hold the Mufti and his "Muslim legion" responsible, and I also hate the Arabs who tried to wipe out Israel multiple times. Oh but that's right you consider Muslims white... Either way, how am I racist against whites?
you always saying anti whites sayings.you are bullying me and c4j beacuse we want a better future for the white race.
"anti white sayings" ? Such as?
QUOTE ME.
Bullying you? Is debating the issues bullying? I guess when one can't formulate an intelligent response, his only recourse is to label his opponent a bully. I have not bullied here, merely revealed the empty foundations of your baseless ideas for the facade that they are. This is not a crime.
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What about Ukrainian and Russian pogromists, Spain , England had the first Pogrom in Europe in about 1100's look up St Hugh http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07515b.htm. Latvians and Lithuanians.i can go on and on none of these countries are Germanic except parts of England
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Add the Lithuanians and Estonians to the list.
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Add the Lithuanians and Estonians to the list.
i have it
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What about Ukrainian and Russian pogromists, Spain , England had the first Pogrom in Europe in about 1100's look up St Hugh http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07515b.htm. Latvians and Lithuanians.i can go on and on none of these countries are Germanic except parts of England
And no blacks either.
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What about Ukrainian and Russian pogromists, Spain , England had the first Pogrom in Europe in about 1100's look up St Hugh http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07515b.htm. Latvians and Lithuanians.i can go on and on none of these countries are Germanic except parts of England
And no blacks either.
Blacks in Crown Heights caused a mini Pogrom
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I'm pretty sure if the blacks had evolved out of their doodoo huts in Africa they would have made pogroms as well. Hard to persecute the Jews when you have lions and hippos chasing you.
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What about Ukrainian and Russian pogromists, Spain , England had the first Pogrom in Europe in about 1100's look up St Hugh http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07515b.htm. Latvians and Lithuanians.i can go on and on none of these countries are Germanic except parts of England
And no blacks either.
so? blacks are just primitives.they didn't evolved enough to makke pogroms.
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I'm pretty sure if the blacks had evolved out of their doodoo huts in Africa they would have made pogroms as well. Hard to persecute the Jews when you have lions and hippos chasing you.
LOL that's probably true, I'm only pointing out how insane it is to make excuses for people based on skin color.
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Mord your irresistable need for love from the Goy who has slaughtered your people like sheep equals either self-hatred. I think you hate Muslims more than you love Jews.
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Mord your irresistable need for love from the Goy who has slaughtered your people like sheep equals either self-hatred. I think you hate Muslims more than you love Jews.
If you say so, i really don't care who loves me or not. Just stating the obvious.BTW shouldn't you be in Tzahal by now?
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Mord your irresistable need for love from the Goy who has slaughtered your people like sheep equals either self-hatred. I think you hate Muslims more than you love Jews.
If you say so, i really don't care who loves me or not. Just stating the obvious.BTW shouldn't you be in Tzahal by now?
WTF?
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Mord your irresistable need for love from the Goy who has slaughtered your people like sheep equals either self-hatred. I think you hate Muslims more than you love Jews.
If you say so, i really don't care who loves me or not. Just stating the obvious.BTW shouldn't you be in Tzahal by now?
WTF?
Do you drink?Alcohol
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Mord your irresistable need for love from the Goy who has slaughtered your people like sheep equals either self-hatred. I think you hate Muslims more than you love Jews.
If you say so, i really don't care who loves me or not. Just stating the obvious.BTW shouldn't you be in Tzahal by now?
WTF?
Do you drink?Alcohol
You're seriously f**ed up in the head I'm not even 18 how would I be in the IDF?
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We do not delete accounts. If you do not wish to be part of JTF, don't come to our forum.
Am I the last Jew who has enough self-respect to hate Germany for murdering over 6 million Jews? This thread disgusts me.
Hyades is a Jew who wants to leave this forum out of loyalty to Germany, and no one except for Ron Ben Michael understands how grotesque this is? Hyades is offended by attacks on Nazi Germany, which to this day does everything possible to help the Arabs perpetrate another holocaust against tiny Israel. Nazi Germany which is the leading nation in the Nazi European Union who demand day and night that Israel commit national suicide. Nazi Germany and the Nazi European Union which fund "Peace Now" and every traitor organization that is committed to getting Israel to self-destruct. Nazi Germany, which to this day has a public that is overwhelmingly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Hyades is offended? I am offended on behalf of 6 million murdered Jews that Hyades is loyal to Nazi Germany.
Ron Ben Michael has responded here like a Jew with self-respect.
I logged in to deactivate e-mail notification for private messages. So I will take this chance to answer here for the last time.
And some of the things I say now, you can take very personal since they ARE personal:
You are the proof of the most most evil way to be loyal. This means by using jihadist, lethal and coward bomb laying and immitating typical Muslim islamofascist methods.
At least I have never had any problems with the justice so far, not even for parking my Bentley in a wrong place. G*d is surely pleased to see people like you who breath hatred and spitting violence in His name. People committing crimes and violence in cases other than defence do clearly desecrate G*d's name. And from what I read you have done such things repeatedly in the past.
Yes, I am loyal to Germany, one of the very first countries in the whole world to grant full citizenship to Jews. And to the country that has as only country next to Israel a law that enables Jews to come and live in Germany - a visa may only be refused to criminal Jews - you know such Jews like you who seem to hate everything and everyone who are just like you. And I will never forget the 6 million, but I will never use their names to commit generalised injustice against others.
Being loyal to Germany does not mean I love every single person here. I hate Nazis, or better neo-Nazis and I have some reservation to most older Germans who might have been Nazis and may have done evil to others (especially Jews) in those days. But the friends I refer to are just far too young to be considered Nazis. And they aren't Nazis, otherwise they wouldn't be my friends. The fact that the support from Germans/Europeans for Israel is not as strong as you would like it to be is not anti-Semitism, it is rather indifference. I'd say that >95% of the Germans do not even care about Israel, Judaism or religion. And there wasn't even ONE resolution started by Germany against Israel. NEVER!
You think you have the patent on right Judaism. But you haven't. If you think that Jews should be in Israel, go! Travel to Egypt, pass through the tunnels of Gaza and get into Israel. Or go to justice and fight for your right to be in Israel. As a righteous Jew you should prefer to sit in an Israeli prison rather than hiding youself in some basement in New York and venting around on jow evil the whole world is (allegedly).
You are using people as useful idiot tools for your very own plans, whatever they are...
Just the way that many people here slap Christian members' faces repeatedly on and on again is sickening! What are they? Means to an end? And in the end they get kicked?
You have nothing but hatred and advices for everyone. But how about you? Are you married? Do you have children? How about "Peru uRevu"? This is dubious, isn't it? Since I once read an article on phobia. Which actually is a fear. Islamophobia is a realistic fear. They are a menace. Something you might want to protect from. But deep and aggressive homophobia often comes from proper latent homosexuality. Might be a reason why you have no children.
I see many people here who seem to be very good souls. Like rubystars, mord, lisa and others. Some people, like Muman or ariel are very wise and one can always learn a lot from them. It is a pity you abuse these souls for your evilness.
But people like you and Ron are simply hate-spreading underdogs with a problem to integrate into society, to be successful and grow in life. You will always be a lonely bitter man publishing youtube-videos and not getting forward in any way. You simply knock down any bridge you could build by being a generalising hate-eaten person who slaps anyone's face. I am pretty sure you do not even have real friends, that is the reason why you do not understand what friendship means and why someone might fell offended for his friends.
I am happy to have started this thread. Now I see that you and Ron and others of your kind are just evil and strengthen my position to leave more than anything else.
By now, if I left Germany to live elsewhere, it would be my mother's home country Brazil. But not Israel.
Israel is not a Jewish state, it is a state where most Jews live as a majority, nothing else. When I last visited Israel, I heard a lot of noise in the streets on shabbat. Israel holds gay pride parades in JERUSALEM! And Israel searches a compromise between the Jewish majority and a Arab minority - this is no Jewish state. I think at least in this point we two agree. BTW: Israel is one of the countries with the highest atheist ratio! Very Jewish country indeed.
I am pretty sure there will be a time when Jews KNOW when it is time to make aliya, this time hasn't come for me yet. I don't know about the future, what may be in 20 years or so. But by now I live here in Germany, I want to live here and since I have all my life here, I have to be loyal to this country - otherwise it would be like digging my own grave! And even if I ever left, I would leave it with a positive feeling of many, no most people being warm and friendly, well-educated and really loyal friends.
All your and Ron's posts are the perfect propaganda for any Nazi! You are the best proof for Nazis and koranimals that "the Joo is never loyal to his country" that "the Joo will never be a friend and just uses others as vehicles for their own evilness" and that "Joos are as Nazi as the Nazis themselves". Congratulations - you won my personal "Fool's Award" but you have to share it with Ron. I only give this award once in a year!
You are a poor pitiful person. And honestly I would not want to change place with you. A criminal and someone who will surely die like a lonely stray dog by violence for promoting violence. And all that desecrating G*d's name. What a shame. Gey Hinnom is waiting for you!
And please now ban me and creep into Ron's ass and explode so we will get rid of two of the very worst "judo-nazim" in this world. If you weren't a Jew I am pretty sure you had lots of friends in some East German hillbilly region packed with Nazis.
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Hyades there was no reason for you to cuss out Chaim. You should just go. It's also terrible to demean Chaim's work and sacrifice to free the Soviet Jews. The methods you may not agree with, but what he did had a righteous result. It's wrong to demean such a good work. Also comparing Chaim to a homosexual or a Nazi is also terrible and completely uncalled for. I don't think members who want to leave should even make goodbye threads, they should just leave, because all too often it turns into this kind of slander fest.
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what is going on here?
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I logged in to deactivate e-mail notification for private messages. So I will take this chance to answer here for the last time.
And some of the things I say now, you can take very personal since they ARE personal:
You are the proof of the most most evil way to be loyal. This means by using jihadist, lethal and coward bomb laying and immitating typical Muslim islamofascist methods.
At least I have never had any problems with the justice so far, not even for parking my Bentley in a wrong place. G*d is surely pleased to see people like you who breath hatred and spitting violence in His name. People committing crimes and violence in cases other than defence do clearly desecrate G*d's name. And from what I read you have done such things repeatedly in the past.
Yes, I am loyal to Germany, one of the very first countries in the whole world to grant full citizenship to Jews. And to the country that has as only country next to Israel a law that enables Jews to come and live in Germany - a visa may only be refused to criminal Jews - you know such Jews like you who seem to hate everything and everyone who are just like you. And I will never forget the 6 million, but I will never use their names to commit generalised injustice against others.
Being loyal to Germany does not mean I love every single person here. I hate Nazis, or better neo-Nazis and I have some reservation to most older Germans who might have been Nazis and may have done evil to others (especially Jews) in those days. But the friends I refer to are just far too young to be considered Nazis. And they aren't Nazis, otherwise they wouldn't be my friends. The fact that the support from Germans/Europeans for Israel is not as strong as you would like it to be is not anti-Semitism, it is rather indifference. I'd say that >95% of the Germans do not even care about Israel, Judaism or religion. And there wasn't even ONE resolution started by Germany against Israel. NEVER!
You think you have the patent on right Judaism. But you haven't. If you think that Jews should be in Israel, go! Travel to Egypt, pass through the tunnels of Gaza and get into Israel. Or go to justice and fight for your right to be in Israel. As a righteous Jew you should prefer to sit in an Israeli prison rather than hiding youself in some basement in New York and venting around on jow evil the whole world is (allegedly).
You are using people as useful idiot tools for your very own plans, whatever they are...
Just the way that many people here slap Christian members' faces repeatedly on and on again is sickening! What are they? Means to an end? And in the end they get kicked?
You have nothing but hatred and advices for everyone. But how about you? Are you married? Do you have children? How about "Peru uRevu"? This is dubious, isn't it? Since I once read an article on phobia. Which actually is a fear. Islamophobia is a realistic fear. They are a menace. Something you might want to protect from. But deep and aggressive homophobia often comes from proper latent homosexuality. Might be a reason why you have no children.
I see many people here who seem to be very good souls. Like rubystars, mord, lisa and others. Some people, like Muman or ariel are very wise and one can always learn a lot from them. It is a pity you abuse these souls for your evilness.
But people like you and Ron are simply hate-spreading underdogs with a problem to integrate into society, to be successful and grow in life. You will always be a lonely bitter man publishing youtube-videos and not getting forward in any way. You simply knock down any bridge you could build by being a generalising hate-eaten person who slaps anyone's face. I am pretty sure you do not even have real friends, that is the reason why you do not understand what friendship means and why someone might fell offended for his friends.
I am happy to have started this thread. Now I see that you and Ron and others of your kind are just evil and strengthen my position to leave more than anything else.
By now, if I left Germany to live elsewhere, it would be my mother's home country Brazil. But not Israel.
Israel is not a Jewish state, it is a state where most Jews live as a majority, nothing else. When I last visited Israel, I heard a lot of noise in the streets on shabbat. Israel holds gay pride parades in JERUSALEM! And Israel searches a compromise between the Jewish majority and a Arab minority - this is no Jewish state. I think at least in this point we two agree. BTW: Israel is one of the countries with the highest atheist ratio! Very Jewish country indeed.
I am pretty sure there will be a time when Jews KNOW when it is time to make aliya, this time hasn't come for me yet. I don't know about the future, what may be in 20 years or so. But by now I live here in Germany, I want to live here and since I have all my life here, I have to be loyal to this country - otherwise it would be like digging my own grave! And even if I ever left, I would leave it with a positive feeling of many, no most people being warm and friendly, well-educated and really loyal friends.
All your and Ron's posts are the perfect propaganda for any Nazi! You are the best proof for Nazis and koranimals that "the Joo is never loyal to his country" that "the Joo will never be a friend and just uses others as vehicles for their own evilness" and that "Joos are as Nazi as the Nazis themselves". Congratulations - you won my personal "Fool's Award" but you have to share it with Ron. I only give this award once in a year!
You are a poor pitiful person. And honestly I would not want to change place with you. A criminal and someone who will surely die like a lonely stray dog by violence for promoting violence. And all that desecrating G*d's name. What a shame. Gey Hinnom is waiting for you!
And please now ban me and creep into Ron's donkey and explode so we will get rid of two of the very worst "judo-nazim" in this world. If you weren't a Jew I am pretty sure you had lots of friends in some East German hillbilly region packed with Nazis.
Wow.
Now anything worths reply?
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Btw, Hyades, next time you travel to Israel, contact me first.
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The exile was the worst thing Hashem could have done to us, it made people like Hadyes with a warped and confused mentality.
You know, at first I felt bad for Haydes , but he went from just being a Jew in the exile that didnt know any better to literary being like the Jews pre holocaust wanting us to act like sheep. He just took it to far.
Thanks but no thanks man.
Fool me once shame on you
Fool me twice shame on me.
Israel does not need to be a Jewish state to live in it.
This statement from Haydes was more Nazi then anything I have read on StørmFrønt.
I love America and I agree with Chaim
I am a typical JTFer I think most people on this forum would agree. My parents ran away from Islam and my extended family escaped the concentration camps and my family never wants to be ruled by these people .. I am definably not a bitter person and I Love to live life laugh and make jokes (people like Baltimore will conform that and so is he , as I have met him) with my friends do volunteer time for my country and I know Chaim personally as well and believe me, he is not bitter , he is the most humble man I have ever met, more then that, he loves to joke AS WELL.I my OWN father who met Rabbi Kahane even said Chaim is as close as we can get.
I mean my G-d , the man (Chaim) gave up 10% of his life, Kahane lost his own and his Kids so maybe he can knock some sense into people like you. We don't wanna take over the world , we don't wanna take over America we don't wanna take over Europe , your precious Germany or the 56 Muslim countries , we just want our NJ size land and be allowed to do what G-d wants to learn Torah pray , and invent. you are confused Chaim is not bitter, he is passionate; there is a difference.
I only criticize both America and Israel only because I respect them and want the best and so does Chaim.
For Germany we call them Nazis simply because of the holocaust. It happened. We do it because we have no allegiance towards it. The only reason it stopped is because Germany was the looser... and so are you.
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Remember that we must attempt to get all Jews to make Aliyah. We can do this if we work together to get other Jews to understand why they should be in Eretz Yisroel instead of in Galut. If I had done my teshuva only 15 years earlier I probrobly would be there now.
I rebuke all Jews who think that living in Galut is the desire of Hashem. The Jewish people have a mission in this world and our being in the Holy Land is one of them. I hope that we can have more successes than failures as it seems we have had with Haydes.
I believe that Jews should want to make Aliyah for several reasons. For me I would love to be in a culture where the non-Jewish holidays are not celebrated. Here in Galut it is always difficult for me to observe the Holidays and I look forward to being able to observe them with out so much hassle.
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We do not delete accounts. If you do not wish to be part of JTF, don't come to our forum.
Am I the last Jew who has enough self-respect to hate Germany for murdering over 6 million Jews? This thread disgusts me.
Hyades is a Jew who wants to leave this forum out of loyalty to Germany, and no one except for Ron Ben Michael understands how grotesque this is? Hyades is offended by attacks on Nazi Germany, which to this day does everything possible to help the Arabs perpetrate another holocaust against tiny Israel. Nazi Germany which is the leading nation in the Nazi European Union who demand day and night that Israel commit national suicide. Nazi Germany and the Nazi European Union which fund "Peace Now" and every traitor organization that is committed to getting Israel to self-destruct. Nazi Germany, which to this day has a public that is overwhelmingly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Hyades is offended? I am offended on behalf of 6 million murdered Jews that Hyades is loyal to Nazi Germany.
Ron Ben Michael has responded here like a Jew with self-respect.
I logged in to deactivate e-mail notification for private messages. So I will take this chance to answer here for the last time.
And some of the things I say now, you can take very personal since they ARE personal:
You are the proof of the most most evil way to be loyal. This means by using jihadist, lethal and coward bomb laying and immitating typical Muslim islamofascist methods.
At least I have never had any problems with the justice so far, not even for parking my Bentley in a wrong place. G*d is surely pleased to see people like you who breath hatred and spitting violence in His name. People committing crimes and violence in cases other than defence do clearly desecrate G*d's name. And from what I read you have done such things repeatedly in the past.
Yes, I am loyal to Germany, one of the very first countries in the whole world to grant full citizenship to Jews. And to the country that has as only country next to Israel a law that enables Jews to come and live in Germany - a visa may only be refused to criminal Jews - you know such Jews like you who seem to hate everything and everyone who are just like you. And I will never forget the 6 million, but I will never use their names to commit generalised injustice against others.
Being loyal to Germany does not mean I love every single person here. I hate Nazis, or better neo-Nazis and I have some reservation to most older Germans who might have been Nazis and may have done evil to others (especially Jews) in those days. But the friends I refer to are just far too young to be considered Nazis. And they aren't Nazis, otherwise they wouldn't be my friends. The fact that the support from Germans/Europeans for Israel is not as strong as you would like it to be is not anti-Semitism, it is rather indifference. I'd say that >95% of the Germans do not even care about Israel, Judaism or religion. And there wasn't even ONE resolution started by Germany against Israel. NEVER!
You think you have the patent on right Judaism. But you haven't. If you think that Jews should be in Israel, go! Travel to Egypt, pass through the tunnels of Gaza and get into Israel. Or go to justice and fight for your right to be in Israel. As a righteous Jew you should prefer to sit in an Israeli prison rather than hiding youself in some basement in New York and venting around on jow evil the whole world is (allegedly).
You are using people as useful idiot tools for your very own plans, whatever they are...
Just the way that many people here slap Christian members' faces repeatedly on and on again is sickening! What are they? Means to an end? And in the end they get kicked?
You have nothing but hatred and advices for everyone. But how about you? Are you married? Do you have children? How about "Peru uRevu"? This is dubious, isn't it? Since I once read an article on phobia. Which actually is a fear. Islamophobia is a realistic fear. They are a menace. Something you might want to protect from. But deep and aggressive homophobia often comes from proper latent homosexuality. Might be a reason why you have no children.
I see many people here who seem to be very good souls. Like rubystars, mord, lisa and others. Some people, like Muman or ariel are very wise and one can always learn a lot from them. It is a pity you abuse these souls for your evilness.
But people like you and Ron are simply hate-spreading underdogs with a problem to integrate into society, to be successful and grow in life. You will always be a lonely bitter man publishing youtube-videos and not getting forward in any way. You simply knock down any bridge you could build by being a generalising hate-eaten person who slaps anyone's face. I am pretty sure you do not even have real friends, that is the reason why you do not understand what friendship means and why someone might fell offended for his friends.
I am happy to have started this thread. Now I see that you and Ron and others of your kind are just evil and strengthen my position to leave more than anything else.
By now, if I left Germany to live elsewhere, it would be my mother's home country Brazil. But not Israel.
Israel is not a Jewish state, it is a state where most Jews live as a majority, nothing else. When I last visited Israel, I heard a lot of noise in the streets on shabbat. Israel holds gay pride parades in JERUSALEM! And Israel searches a compromise between the Jewish majority and a Arab minority - this is no Jewish state. I think at least in this point we two agree. BTW: Israel is one of the countries with the highest atheist ratio! Very Jewish country indeed.
I am pretty sure there will be a time when Jews KNOW when it is time to make aliya, this time hasn't come for me yet. I don't know about the future, what may be in 20 years or so. But by now I live here in Germany, I want to live here and since I have all my life here, I have to be loyal to this country - otherwise it would be like digging my own grave! And even if I ever left, I would leave it with a positive feeling of many, no most people being warm and friendly, well-educated and really loyal friends.
All your and Ron's posts are the perfect propaganda for any Nazi! You are the best proof for Nazis and koranimals that "the Joo is never loyal to his country" that "the Joo will never be a friend and just uses others as vehicles for their own evilness" and that "Joos are as Nazi as the Nazis themselves". Congratulations - you won my personal "Fool's Award" but you have to share it with Ron. I only give this award once in a year!
You are a poor pitiful person. And honestly I would not want to change place with you. A criminal and someone who will surely die like a lonely stray dog by violence for promoting violence. And all that desecrating G*d's name. What a shame. Gey Hinnom is waiting for you!
And please now ban me and creep into Ron's donkey and explode so we will get rid of two of the very worst "judo-nazim" in this world. If you weren't a Jew I am pretty sure you had lots of friends in some East German hillbilly region packed with Nazis.
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Hyades, I am glad that you finally came out of the closet to reveal what a Nazi liar and fraud you really are.
You are not Jewish. You say that your family are converts. Which Beit Din converted them? You're a liar.
Now you condemn what I did on behalf of Soviet Jewry and compare it to Muslim terrorism. Why didn't you ever mention this before? If you consider me to be a "terrorist", why did you remain on this forum and never say anything? You hypocritical, two-faced coward. You acted like a JTF supporter. You mean you supported an organization run by what you now describe as a "terrorist" and a "criminal"?
You Hyades will someday burn in Hades. You defend Amalek - if the German Nazis who murdered 6 million Jews are not Amalek, then the concept does not exist. These are your friends and you are loyal to them. Don't worry you will be with them both in this world and in the next.
As far as my still being unmarried without children, most of the German Nazis that you are so loyal to have no children. Native white Germans have very few children and the population of Germany is going down every year - especially the population of native white Germans. Most German men my age are not married and have no children. Are you suggesting that most Germans are homosexuals?
I will never suck up to a nation that murdered 6 million of my brothers and sisters and now has the unmitigated chutzpah to demand that Israel commit national suicide.
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I have been here on this forum for over two years now. Many people betrayed JTF and Chaim and left this forum without any honor. One of those forum members is Hyades.
He might me a Jew. Point is that I saw many of my country man being like him. They go to foreign land and make some money. After they accumulate wealth, they start spiting on their own people. :o
I have no respect for such poor souls or their money. Who knows, maybe in future Hyades loses all his riches and than I would love to see how loyal he stays to Germany.
My respect goes to Jewish settlers and to the Serbs living in Kosovo. They are living in bad conditions but with the God's help their situation will change soon.
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Hyades, that was uncalled for. I rebuke you.
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JTF. I SALUTE YOU.
HYADES. I REBUKE YOU.
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Germany: Gei Tren Zich!!!!!! Am Yisroel Chai!!!!!!!
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I just want to say that, after reading Hyades' last rant, I am feeling extremely dumb that I had some nice words for him. What he wrote about Chaim is vile and stupid. I hate myself for not realizing what kind of person he really was in the first place.
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I just want to say that, after reading Hyades' last rant, I am feeling extremely dumb that I had some nice words for him. What he wrote about Chaim is vile and stupid. I hate myself for not realizing what kind of person he really was in the first place.
Yes, that was a rather wicked thing to belittle the work which Chaim and JTF has done for the Jewish people... It is sad that sometimes Jews are blinded by the temptations of Galut. It is a common problem with the Jews that when we are comfortable in our homes we forget about G-d and his mission for the Jewish people.
It is just a sad fact of the modern galut that we have Jews who want to stay in Germany. I know that my fathers widows family escaped from Germany and there is no way they would ever want to go back.
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I just want to say that, after reading Hyades' last rant, I am feeling extremely dumb that I had some nice words for him. What he wrote about Chaim is vile and stupid. I hate myself for not realizing what kind of person he really was in the first place.
Ditto.
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We do not delete accounts. If you do not wish to be part of JTF, don't come to our forum.
Am I the last Jew who has enough self-respect to hate Germany for murdering over 6 million Jews? This thread disgusts me.
Hyades is a Jew who wants to leave this forum out of loyalty to Germany, and no one except for Ron Ben Michael understands how grotesque this is? Hyades is offended by attacks on Nazi Germany, which to this day does everything possible to help the Arabs perpetrate another holocaust against tiny Israel. Nazi Germany which is the leading nation in the Nazi European Union who demand day and night that Israel commit national suicide. Nazi Germany and the Nazi European Union which fund "Peace Now" and every traitor organization that is committed to getting Israel to self-destruct. Nazi Germany, which to this day has a public that is overwhelmingly anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Hyades is offended? I am offended on behalf of 6 million murdered Jews that Hyades is loyal to Nazi Germany.
Ron Ben Michael has responded here like a Jew with self-respect.
I logged in to deactivate e-mail notification for private messages. So I will take this chance to answer here for the last time.
And some of the things I say now, you can take very personal since they ARE personal:
You are the proof of the most most evil way to be loyal. This means by using jihadist, lethal and coward bomb laying and immitating typical Muslim islamofascist methods.
:o :o :o
You are disgusting. "Coward bomb-laying?" Are you serious? You mean the bombs that blew up Soviet diplomatic property and put the issue of Soviet Jewry on the map when no one would do a damn thing for them? And which helped free a million Soviet Jews? This is "cowardly" to you? You are the selfhating coward.
You are showing that you were against JTF all along and just hiding it.
At least I have never had any problems with the justice so far, not even for parking my Bentley in a wrong place.
Is that an accomplishment?
Whose law is more important? Soviet diplomatic law, US law, or GOD'S LAW? Does God not say You shall not stand idly by on your brother's blood?
I cannot believe what trash I am reading right now.
G*d is surely pleased to see people like you who breath hatred and spitting violence in His name. People committing crimes and violence in cases other than defence do clearly desecrate G*d's name. And from what I read you have done such things repeatedly in the past.
From what you have read, LOL. Chaim speaks about this endlessly in videos and ask JTF programs and everyone here praises him for it. As if you didn't know about these things and just "realized" now? You were a coward here who never revealed what you really felt about JTF or about Chaim or about his Soviet Jewry activism. How can any of us respect that? At least the people who disagree with us have the guts to say it openly and argue with us.
Yes, I am loyal to Germany, one of the very first countries in the whole world to grant full citizenship to Jews.
LOL, was that before or after they murdered 6 million of us?
Wow, I really hate to say it, but I think I need to apologize to Ron and that he was right.
You think you have the patent on right Judaism. But you haven't.
Well, the chachamim do have the patent on Judaism, and the Torah itself says Jews should be in Israel, so does the halacha of the Talmud, the Rambam, the Ramban, the Rashbatz, etc etc we can list all the rabbis all day long. So what so-called "Judaism" do you refer to that says Jews should live in galut? There is no such thing. You may not like it, but you have to face facts about what Judaism really is.
If you think that Jews should be in Israel, go! Travel to Egypt, pass through the tunnels of Gaza and get into Israel. Or go to justice and fight for your right to be in Israel.
Moron. He petitions again and again to be allowed in.
Just the way that many people here slap Christian members' faces repeatedly on and on again is sickening!
This crap again?
I am happy to have started this thread. Now I see that you and Ron and others of your kind are just evil and strengthen my position to leave more than anything else.
Nobody cares if you leave, just don't harbor any illusions: What Chaim did was 100% right and justified, and the Torah calls for Jews to live in Israel.
Oh and one more thing. Never Again!
When I last visited Israel, I heard a lot of noise in the streets on shabbat.
LOL, is noise forbidden?
I've read enough.
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As to the idea that Israel is not a "jewish state" and there are many atheists there, this does not exempt one from the mitzvah to live in the land of Israel.
One should live in Eretz Yisrael even in a city where the majority of residents are idol worshipers (Ketubot 110b. Shulchan Aruch Even Ha-Ezer 75:3)
Indeed, the Rambam also brings as a halacha the mishna that says: " it is better to live in a city in Israel where the majority of inhabitants are idol worshippers than to live in a city outside Israel where the majority of inhabitants are Jews" Kethuvoth 110b.
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The thing is there is a world of difference between what Chaim did and what the muzzies did.Chaim did everything possible to make sure no one was ever hurt it was done at night in buildings that were closed and empty as well with small explosives
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Uh oh. Another person forgot to take his lithium and his bipolar personality has jumped out.
Too bad so sad nadadada nadada. Hey goodbye (loser).
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wow.i cdan't beleived i actually liked this disgusting guy.well that was before the sad joke he made on me'and now this.where this idiots come from?
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And which helped free a million Soviet Jews
Not only did the Soviet Jews gain their freedom to make Aliyah, but Israel's technology industry skyrocketed overnight into what it is now because many of the Jews of the Soviet Union were the brilliant brains behind all of the Soviet's technology industry [this is most likely why the Soviets put up such a fight against the Jews leaving.]. The work that Chaim, Rabbi Kahane, and the JDL did has enabled Israel to have a thriving economy, and has enabled Israel to protect itself with the know how to make superior defense weapons. A truly pivotal and defining moment in Israeli history.
Its it is a monumental injustice that Chaim receives no thanks from Jewry at large and is one of the few people who is banned from entering his homeland [while Muslim Nazi terrorists come and go as they please]. To attack him in such a personal, evil, and unjustified way is beyond stymieing... the work of a true khatsuf.
Hyades, you have made me feel quite foolish for calling you our brother and asking others to go soft on you and be more understanding and convincing with you. If your parents are converts you are the "Issac" of your family [the first man to be born a Jew], you should carry yourself proudly, instead you have drowned yourself in shame and hate in an attempt to hurt a fellow Jew. I am sure your parents, who must have had ahavat Yisrael to go through the process of conversion, would be embarrassed to see their child stoop to the level of truly evil personal attacks upon someone who has devoted their life since childhood to removing Jews from a life of pain and oppression. It would have been a wicked deed to say these things in a personal message to Chaim, but you desired to say these things in front of an audience that respects Chaim as an act of even greater animosity.
What an strange situation you find yourself in. Driving around comfortably in a nice Bentley, over roads which have transported millions of Jews kicking and screaming in the worst of discomforts as they were taken away to be put into slavery, starved, gassed, and then put in the ovens. Every street and every avenue are doused in Jewish blood, there is nowhere for you to turn and hide your eyes from this as long as you remain. You committed no crime by being born in Germany, and it is no sin to debate the merits and express your feelings to want to stay in the only country you have known as home, but to cling to the "Fatherland" as a scared and crying child at his mothers breast at the same time as you commit such heinous transgressions against fellow Jews in such an evil manner... this is a true audacity and you should feel ashamed. An actual child has the excuse of youth; your actions are that of a venomous man-child.
I've been thinking about this today ever since I first read your post. Again, I feel foolish for giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoping to warmly engage you in a conversation of the merits of choosing to live in Israel with the hope you would become more observant and proud of your heritage. I suppose I have said all that I can really say.
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Its it is a monumental injustice that Chaim receives no thanks from Jewry at large and is one of the few people who is banned from entering his homeland
Absolutely. What they did is heroic. They were instrumental in changing the course of history for the good and they managed to do it without any blood of innocent people on their hands. That is truly terrific.
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Uh oh. Another person forgot to take his lithium and his bipolar personality has jumped out.
Too bad so sad nadadada nadada. Hey goodbye (loser).
Hes not bipolar , hes just a bum.