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The Worldwide Crisis of Islam => The Truth About Islam => Topic started by: Joe Gutfeld on June 11, 2007, 05:25:23 PM
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In New York City, a high school student who has the name "Osama" is suing because he is being harassed by his fellow students, teachers and the princabal in his high school. TOO BAD FOR YOU!! Being muslim and arabic is a crime in this country. We have been attacked by muslims here. If you are being harrased, well that's what you get by having that name.
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Instead of wasting his time suing people, he should just save his time and effort and legally change his name. Then he should change his religion.
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He did change his name. He will change it back after the lawsuit.
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Get this thing out of our country now! He does not belong here and neither does his camel jockey family. Get them out now!. They only come here to infest us with their vile animalistic cult. Get them out. Islam is a vile gutter cult that tries to pass as a religion. I don't want him to change his name, I want him and every vile thing associated with him, any thing that defends him and any one that would offer him any kind of support, get out now.
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Get this thing out of our country now! He does not belong here and neither does his camel jockey family. Get them out now!. They only come here to infest us with their vile animalistic cult. Get them out. Islam is a vile gutter cult that tries to pass as a religion. I don't want him to change his name, I want him and every vile thing associated with him, any thing that defends him and any one that would offer him any kind of support, get out now.
He's a thing because he's Arabic? So what should he change his name to? Bobby? Jimmy? Perhaps Chaim? What would it take for you not to bully a child who has done nothing to you?
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Imerica,
I don't understand why you have a bone to pick with everybody on this forum!
It seems to me that no one can speak their mind without you having to interject with a typical left wing idea or comment.
First of all I don't give a damn about 'OSAMA' ! that kid is either is a damn fool or someone who craves attention. he deserves all that he gets and more, I don't accept anyone who believe in an such evil religion PERIOD.
Don't try to bully people with you views, here we are all right wing, conservatives who care about America and Israel that is not up for debate.
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I was once checking the driver's license of a taxi driver and noted that his name was Yaseer Arafat. How do you like that?
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Imerica,
I don't understand why you have a bone to pick with everybody on this forum!
It seems to me that no one can speak their mind without you having to interject with a typical left wing idea or comment.
First of all I don't give a damn about 'OSAMA' ! that kid is either is a damn fool or someone who craves attention. he deserves all that he gets and more, I don't accept anyone who believe in an such evil religion PERIOD.
Don't try to bully people with you views, here we are all right wing, conservatives who care about America and Israel that is not up for debate.
Actually, I never bullied anyone. But I find it crazy to pick on a child because he has a name you don't like because of the culture that carries the name. That's incredibly stupid to me. There are plenty of Arabs in America who don't give a damn about Muslims who bomb themselves and others to make a 'religious point'. That high schooler did nothing to anyone but carry a name that you don't like....and you call me a bully? Especially after your spiel about "I don't accept anyone who believes in such an evil religion..PERIOD." Thats a bullying tactic to me.
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To hide their Jewish identity and thus avoid Anti-Semitism, millions of Jews have maintained both a secular (local) and Jewish name for centuries, even though their ancestors had done nothing bad to the nations that hated Jews.
Here we have a normal reaction to the name Osama, who alone and together with his “peaceful” brothers and sisters have done awful things to others.
And who is being blamed at the end? Osama? Arabs? Muslims? No, their victims.
I am more than sure that the kid’s parents not only don’t blame Osama bin Laden, but actually take him as a hero. If such assumption is true, then the suit that they brought is not about discrimination, but about sanctification of Osama bin Laden’s name.
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To hide their Jewish identity and thus avoid Anti-Semitism, millions of Jews have maintained both a secular (local) and Jewish name for centuries, even though their ancestors had done nothing bad to the nations that hated Jews.
Here we have a normal reaction to the name Osama, who alone and together with his “peaceful” brothers and sisters have done awful things to others.
And who is being blamed at the end? Osama? Arabs? Muslims? No, their victims.
I am more than sure that the kid’s parents not only don’t blame Osama bin Laden, but actually take him as a hero. If such assumption is true, then the suit that they brought is not about discrimination, but about sanctification of Osama bin Laden’s name.
What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, leave the “What???” for those on whom it works. Lower your tone. One question mark is quite enough.
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN.
I hope, he is the last one.
... Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
I would say that comparing the activities of Chaim and those of Osama is spitting in the graves of 3,000 Americans who died on 9/11.
Obviously, I must not add that I disrespect you for that.
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a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
Erica, I have tried very hard to be respectful to you, and to be obedient to the rules of the forum, but I can't hold back anymore. You are a plain and simple troll who has no place in civilization, and why it is that you are not being flamed as much as that handicapped kid Tonycali is something I have no comprehension of.
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Imerica: "...if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible..."
Chaim Ben Pesach indeed spent time in jail because he broke the law and was apprehended by the police.
However, he did absolutely nothing wrong; quite the contrary.
As far as the little kid named Obama, he's definitely between a rock and a hard place.
But...let's face it...did you ever hear of any schoolkids in either America, Canada, or the UK during World War II named Adolph Hitler?
I rest my case...the stupid idiot parents should either force him to be known only by an American sounding nickname, or change his name to Sam and be done with it.
This is America, not Sudan.
We don't name our children after megalomanical mass-murderers here, nor do we make up names for our children so ridiculous as to ensure that their lives are ruined before they ever get a chance to live them.
Jews in particular are renowned throughout the Western world for changing their names to a more "gentile" sounding appellation, in an attempt to be accepted by their host populations. Because of this tendency, some gentiles hold Jews in derision for "trying to hide their Jewishness", etc. . However, in the context of a grateful people who truly desire to "fit in" and "be accepted" by a majority culture different from their own (and, more often that not, a culture quite advanced and offering wonderful opportunities for education and work), this desire for a degree of assimmilation should be honored rather than held in ridicule.
The parents of the young Obama should either "get with the program", or get on the next banana boat out headed back from whence they came.
As for the mulatto currently running for President, he should immediately go down to the courthouse and change his name to something civilized like "Obediah" or simply "O.B.".
and now...some humor
The Judge, staring down over his spectacles at the nervous man in the courtroom below him, intoned...
"...Well, Sir...your attorney has all of your paperwork and forms in good order, so I see no reason why the Court will not grant your request for a change of name"...
"...Let's see now...you desire to change your name from Joe Schitz...to SAM Schitz!?"...
"Is that correct?"
"Yes, Your Honor."
"...Just one question, if I may, Sir..."
"Why in the world, would you want to change your name from JOE Schitz...to SAM Schitz?!?"...."That just seems to make no sense to me!"...
"Well, Your Honor,"..."it's like this"...
"I'M SICK AND TIRED OF EVERYBODY I KNOW SAYING ""HEY JOE!...WHAT DO YA' KNOW?"
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Massuh, I hate to discourage you, but individuals like Erica don't give a rip for scholarly appeals to reason. Your paragraphs are used tuchis-paper to her.
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Massuh, I hate to discourage you, but individuals like Erica don't give a rip for scholarly appeals to reason. Your paragraphs are used tuchis-paper to her.
Yes. Rabbi kahane said, "You cannot reason with unreasonable people."
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At one time, it looked like Erica was at least slightly interested in learning about us and why we believe what we do. This latest jewel from her dung-covered fingers shows her true colors for all to see.
The question will be what the admins do now.
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You blacks kill me. You complain and moan about the white man keeping you as slaves but you won't say a word about the muslims who practiced slavery for over 1400 years. You know that you won't get a penny out of them so you try and shake down the white man. The arabs are still practicing slavery today and your 'leaders' are not doing a damn thing except trying to shake down banks, insurance compainies and burger king. Muslims have no place in western society. They should be placed back into their hovels where they can rot in ignorance and depravity. If you love this child so much why not pay his one way ticket back to camel land where he can become a slaver and maybe enslave you.
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Yes he should have to change his name!!my grandmother was brought up in a German area of Queens N.Y. Glendale during ww2 all the street names that were named after Germans who lived 100 yrs before the nazis had to have the street names changed.Also many German Americans patriotic German Americans who fought against Nazism Anglisized their names.This moslem must change his name
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eh kids will be kids....
kids made fun of my disproportianate nose when i grew up..I wish I could have sued them for defamation...
You live, you learn... :laugh:
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I was once checking the driver's license of a taxi driver and noted that his name was Yaseer Arafat. How do you like that?
I think i had that same cab driver!
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, leave the “What???” for those on whom it works. Lower your tone. One question mark is quite enough.
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN.
I hope, he is the last one.
... Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
I would say that comparing the activities of Chaim and those of Osama is spitting in the graves of 3,000 Americans who died on 9/11.
Obviously, I must not add that I disrespect you for that.
The high schooler Osama didn't kill anyone... Osama Bin Laden DID. And we're talking about namesakes. Since you want to demonize an innocent teenager and compare him to a terrorist, wouldn't it be just as wrong to demonize anyone named Chaim because of what Ben Pesach did, it would be just as unfair.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, leave the “What???” for those on whom it works. Lower your tone. One question mark is quite enough.
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN.
I hope, he is the last one.
... Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
I would say that comparing the activities of Chaim and those of Osama is spitting in the graves of 3,000 Americans who died on 9/11.
Obviously, I must not add that I disrespect you for that.
The high schooler Osama didn't kill anyone... Osama Bin Laden DID. And we're talking about namesakes. Since you want to demonize an innocent teenager and compare him to a terrorist, wouldn't it be just as wrong to demonize anyone named Chaim because of what Ben Pesach did, it would be just as unfair.
Imerica, that just sounds like really dumb logic!
Osama got a bunch of muslims to hijack a bunch of planes with the intention of killing man, woman, child all innocent into two very large towers...Osama we all know is a horrible demon...so if some poor unfortunate kid just happens to be named Osama...then that sucks for him...bad luck...it's sad, yes..but it's bad luck
But you can't compare Chaim to Osama...it's like comparing absolute darkness with refrigerators. Doesn't sound logical that comparison does it?
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You blacks kill me. You complain and moan about the white man keeping you as slaves but you won't say a word about the muslims who practiced slavery for over 1400 years. You know that you won't get a penny out of them so you try and shake down the white man. The arabs are still practicing slavery today and your 'leaders' are not doing a damn thing except trying to shake down banks, insurance compainies and burger king. Muslims have no place in western society. They should be placed back into their hovels where they can rot in ignorance and depravity. If you love this child so much why not pay his one way ticket back to camel land where he can become a slaver and maybe enslave you.
First of all fjack, I don't blame the white man for anything. My motto is that if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. I believe that you have control over your own destiny and that no one can ruin you but you, yourself. And this isn't about slavery at all, its about giving someone the right to bare a name that probably wasn't passed down because of a terrorist. He shouldn't have to change his name because someone else who is a bad person also has the name. I know some terrible Ericas and some bad ones...that dosen't mean that my dad named me after a bad one. Plus this teenager at the top of the thread is indeed a teenager. Why blame hime for something he never did?
And Fjack, you can't tell people where to go and where they have no right to be. You aren't king of the world. That would pretty much like me telling you to go back to where YOU came from. Totally improper.
And trust me, I'll never be enslaved. I was born free..and I'm going to stay that way.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, leave the “What???” for those on whom it works. Lower your tone. One question mark is quite enough.
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN.
I hope, he is the last one.
... Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
I would say that comparing the activities of Chaim and those of Osama is spitting in the graves of 3,000 Americans who died on 9/11.
Obviously, I must not add that I disrespect you for that.
The high schooler Osama didn't kill anyone... Osama Bin Laden DID. And we're talking about namesakes. Since you want to demonize an innocent teenager and compare him to a terrorist, wouldn't it be just as wrong to demonize anyone named Chaim because of what Ben Pesach did, it would be just as unfair.
Imerica, that just sounds like really dumb logic!
Osama got a bunch of muslims to hijack a bunch of planes with the intention of killing man, woman, child all innocent into two very large towers...Osama we all know is a horrible demon...so if some poor unfortunate kid just happens to be named Osama...then that sucks for him...bad luck...it's sad, yes..but it's bad luck
But you can't compare Chaim to Osama...it's like comparing absolute darkness with refrigerators. Doesn't sound logical that comparison does it?
Bad is bad anyway you slice it, dannycookie... Osama is evil upon evil and what Chaim did got him kicked out of a country. At any rate they both have done wrong..the HUGE difference is that Chaim served his time for his crime... Osama has yet to be captured and tortured the way I'd like to see it happen for his attrocities. My point is that a name is just a name. This teenaged boy shouldn't be demonized because of what Osama Bin Laden did on 9/11. That would be like a child named Chaim being demonized because of what Chaim served his time for.
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Chaim never killed anyone or even tried to cause injuries
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Chaim never killed anyone or even tried to cause injuries
I'm happy that he never killed anyone, but his actions had the ability to do that and worse. At any rate he's served his time and I have no intention of bringing it up again. I used his history as a reference because of the fact that people compared an innocent teenager's name to a terrible person. My comment was only to make the distinction that a rose by any other name is still a rose.
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1. In my opinion it's pretty stupid to bully someone just because of his name, but I believe it would
happen if he had a different name which would be strange to americans (eg. Hanz, Gideon, laetitia).
2. Although he was named Osama before the 9/11 bombing, I would expect him to change his name just
in order to avoid things like this, because clearly Osama Bin Laden is considered #1 enemy of the US.
3. Many german jews named their sons Adolph prior to the 2nd world war, but after the holocaust, for
obvious reasons, they stoped. I would expect the same from muslims, even if they support him, they
should have some respect to the national american majority.
This is all folks!
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Imerica: "... I used his history as a reference because of the fact that people compared an innocent teenager's name to a terrible person. My comment was only to make the distinction that a rose by any other name is still a rose..."
Accepting Imerica's contention as true, it then stands to reason that The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was jailed in Birmingham, AL, for the simple reason that he was a common criminal caught while intentionally breaking the law.
Same for the demonstrating negroes who were attacked by German shepherd police dogs, forced off their feet by city fire hoses turned on them, and then beaten with billy clubs by the police, arrested, and jailed. Commissioner of Public Safety, Eugene "Bull" Connor, sat in his wheelchair on a rooftop supervising the situation, and gleefully shouted loudly "Look at 'them n***rs run!"
Anyone who today claims that those lawbreakers were simply breaking unjust laws which were written to oppress them and deprive them of their Constitutional rights, is simply wrong.
They are to be remembered as criminals; nothing more, and nothing less.
This is because the Law is the Law, and anyone breaking any Law for any reason whatsoever, is a criminal and an enemy of society. They must be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the Law.
This is Imerica's position on Chaim's arrest and incarceration.
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At one time, it looked like Erica was at least slightly interested in learning about us and why we believe what we do. This latest jewel from her dung-covered fingers shows her true colors for all to see.
The question will be what the admins do now.
Wow, that's clever.. "her dung covered fingers." You're just angry because I disagree with you and your stance...as well as your negativity. You haven't been very cool with me at all on some subjects, and you talk about my 'dirty hands.' Go and wash yours.
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I am the negative one? You are the one who maliciously slandered Chaim and accused him of doing a very awful thing. Get the camel pie out of your mouth before you accuse others of having bad breath, dimwit.
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Imerica: "... I used his history as a reference because of the fact that people compared an innocent teenager's name to a terrible person. My comment was only to make the distinction that a rose by any other name is still a rose..."
Accepting Imerica's contention as true, it then stands to reason that The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was jailed in Birmingham, AL, for the simple reason that he was a common criminal caught while intentionally breaking the law.
Same for the demonstrating negroes who were attacked by German shepherd police dogs, forced off their feet by city fire hoses turned on them, and then beaten with billy clubs by the police, arrested, and jailed. Commissioner of Public Safety, Eugene "Bull" Connor, sat in his wheelchair on a rooftop supervising the situation, and gleefully shouted loudly "Look at 'them n***rs run!"
Anyone who today claims that those lawbreakers were simply breaking unjust laws which were written to oppress them and deprive them of their Constitutional rights, is simply wrong.
They are to be remembered as criminals; nothing more, and nothing less.
This is because the Law is the Law, and anyone breaking any Law for any reason whatsoever, is a criminal and an enemy of society. They must be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the Law.
This is Imerica's position on Chaim's arrest and incarceration.
During MLK's time in the Civil Rights movement, he exerted no violence toward the people who wanted to keep blacks in the background. The whole 'hosing down' of blacks back then was the police's assumption that it would stop them dead in their tracks from wanting any kind of equality. The police wasn't advanced upon. The protestors marched quietly... I saw the movie and read the accounts. They did absolutely nothing to deserve having German Shepard dogs attack them.
Another question, did this happen to the white women during sufferage, when they protested in the streets for their right to vote just like the white man? Were they hosed down, attacked by dogs, or beaten down with policemen's clubs? I can answer that for you... "hell no. " White women, at that time had sexism against them but they were still thought to be better than black men and women who didn't get a chance to vote until the late 1960's.
And another thing. My bringing up Chaim's past was merely to put an inkling of a thought into someone's head about how unimportant your name is. My husband's name is Charles, he's 34 years old. He was born after the Manson Family killed Sharon Tate and 5 other people under Charles Manson's orders. Now since my husband's parents named him Charles, do you think he was named for Charles Manson? NO. Its a family name and he happened to be a namesake. With that said, just because Chaim was sent to jail for his misdeeds doesn't mean that any male Jewish child born after his stint in jail should be demonized for being the recipient of the same name. I wasn't attempting to go any deeper than that.
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And another thing. My bringing up Chaim's past was merely to put an inkling of a thought into someone's head about how unimportant your name is. My husband's name is Charles, he's 34 years old. He was born after the Manson Family killed Sharon Tate and 5 other people under Charles Manson's orders. Now since my husband's parents named him Charles, do you think he was named for Charles Manson? NO. Its a family name and he happened to be a namesake. With that said, just because Chaim was sent to jail for his misdeeds doesn't mean that any male Jewish child born after his stint in jail should be demonized for being the recipient of the same name. I wasn't attempting to go any deeper than that.
You can't save your ass now, ho. You said exactly what you meant and it was very clear to everybody. You think Chaim is a terrible person because he decided to sacrifice everything to fight Russian Nazis and save Soviet Jews.
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And another thing. My bringing up Chaim's past was merely to put an inkling of a thought into someone's head about how unimportant your name is. My husband's name is Charles, he's 34 years old. He was born after the Manson Family killed Sharon Tate and 5 other people under Charles Manson's orders. Now since my husband's parents named him Charles, do you think he was named for Charles Manson? NO. Its a family name and he happened to be a namesake. With that said, just because Chaim was sent to jail for his misdeeds doesn't mean that any male Jewish child born after his stint in jail should be demonized for being the recipient of the same name. I wasn't attempting to go any deeper than that.
You can't save your ass now, ho. You said exactly what you meant and it was very clear to everybody. You think Chaim is a terrible person because he decided to sacrifice everything to fight Russian Nazis and save Soviet Jews.
"Ho" ? Wow, you're full of it CF. You really are. And since you want to get pissy about it, I think that other things could have been done in place of Chaim's actions. Things that could have kept him out of jail. Things that would have allowed him to imigrate back to Israel. He chose to be militant and that's never a good thing. NEVER. I'm not trying to save ANYTHING, but I can tell you what YOU can save. Save the negativity for someone who thrives on it.
Chaim isn't a saint. He knows he isn't perfect and even admits when he's made mistakes (not that I've ever heard him say that his actions were a mistake) but I can respect that about him. This thread was about demonizing a child because he carries the same name a terrorist has. That's no difference than someone naming a child Chaim, then assuming that that family named him after JTF's Chaim (just in case you didn't realize it, Chaim isn't liked by everyone). Would you be okay with someone bullying a child because he and Chaim have the same name?
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I really do not give a damn if this Muzzie is offended. Who the hell is he?? A nothing, his people have caused enough damage around the world for the last 1400 years. And yes with a name like "Osama" let him be mocked. Erica, you won't find Jimmys and Bobbys screaming jihad and their hate towards all non Muslims. But you will see the Osamas and Mohammeds do that. They are such nasty hiddeous people. First of all, not every country belongs to them. If he is complaining about people mocking his name, then he can go back to Mecca and bury his head in the sand. By the way, I figured it out why Muzzie pigs bury their heads in the sand when they pray to Allah Snackbar and their butts are in the air. They ripple one of their personal WMDs and their faces are facing the bottom of the grounds where they are going. It is called hellfire in the next world. They are evil, nasty insects.
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I would like to state that I am opposed to the using of words such as "ho" as insults, say what you mean, don't use derogatory lies, it defames you as well as the person that you describe with them.
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I am the negative one? You are the one who maliciously slandered Chaim and accused him of doing a very awful thing. Get the camel pie out of your mouth before you accuse others of having bad breath, dimwit.
Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
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I really do not give a damn if this Muzzie is offended. Who the hell is he?? A nothing, his people have caused enough damage around the world for the last 1400 years. And yes with a name like "Osama" let him be mocked. Erica, you won't find Jimmys and Bobbys screaming jihad and their hate towards all non Muslims. But you will see the Osamas and Mohammeds do that. They are such nasty hiddeous people. First of all, not every country belongs to them. If he is complaining about people mocking his name, then he can go back to Mecca and bury his head in the sand. By the way, I figured it out why Muzzie pigs bury their heads in the sand when they pray to Allah Snackbar and their butts are in the air. They ripple one of their personal WMDs and their faces are facing the bottom of the grounds where they are going. It is called hellfire in the next world. They are evil, nasty insects.
Do you say this about babies also? Babies who will probably be born with names like Osama, Muhammed, or Kaliq, for that matter? You assume that children with muslim names are terrorists. How dare you? If I had a son and named him Louis, would you assume that I'd named him after Farrakhan? How about Angela? Would you assume that I'd named her after Angela Davis? And what about Maya... would the assumption then be that she'd be named for Maya Angelou? *These people I listed are those you hate. * To bully someone because they bare a name you hate is just stupid.
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Instead of wasting his time suing people, he should just save his time and effort and legally change his name. Then he should change his religion.
Maybe he shouldn't change his name.
There is a story about an American sergeant named Hitler during the Second World War. His buddies suggested that he change his name. He said, "Why should I change my name? If he doesn't like it, that (*!#!_P**!!~ in Berlin can change his!"
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I really do not give a damn if this Muzzie is offended. Who the hell is he?? A nothing, his people have caused enough damage around the world for the last 1400 years. And yes with a name like "Osama" let him be mocked. Erica, you won't find Jimmys and Bobbys screaming jihad and their hate towards all non Muslims. But you will see the Osamas and Mohammeds do that. They are such nasty hiddeous people. First of all, not every country belongs to them. If he is complaining about people mocking his name, then he can go back to Mecca and bury his head in the sand. By the way, I figured it out why Muzzie pigs bury their heads in the sand when they pray to Allah Snackbar and their butts are in the air. They ripple one of their personal WMDs and their faces are facing the bottom of the grounds where they are going. It is called hellfire in the next world. They are evil, nasty insects.
Bold, mine... But you will find some Jimmys and Bobbys in the KKK yelling "White Power! KILL BLACKIE!" This doesn't mean that everytime I see or hear someone named Bobby or Jimmy talk or being called I'm going to think KKK. My 4 year old nephew's name is Bobby.
Honestly, the way you talk about this boy who has done absolutely nothing to deserve the bullying he's getting. Do you think anyone named David was named after David Duke?
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David is a common name in 90% of the world. Originating from King David of Israel, it has not been desecrated by anyone. That is no one, including David Duke, have not done things so bad that the name David would be associated with evil.
Now, Osama is not a common Arabic name. You can ask any Arab about that.
Additionally, the world for the first time heard of this name from the breaking news on 9/11.
Osama bin Laden has done enough to become an association with evil not only through his name, but also religion, and even dress code.
Therefore, Erica, if your son’s name was Osama, I would surely recommend you to change it to Ali, for example.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, leave the “What???” for those on whom it works. Lower your tone. One question mark is quite enough.
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN.
I hope, he is the last one.
... Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
I would say that comparing the activities of Chaim and those of Osama is spitting in the graves of 3,000 Americans who died on 9/11.
Obviously, I must not add that I disrespect you for that.
The high schooler Osama didn't kill anyone... Osama Bin Laden DID. And we're talking about namesakes. Since you want to demonize an innocent teenager and compare him to a terrorist, wouldn't it be just as wrong to demonize anyone named Chaim because of what Ben Pesach did, it would be just as unfair.
Imerica, that just sounds like really dumb logic!
Osama got a bunch of muslims to hijack a bunch of planes with the intention of killing man, woman, child all innocent into two very large towers...Osama we all know is a horrible demon...so if some poor unfortunate kid just happens to be named Osama...then that sucks for him...bad luck...it's sad, yes..but it's bad luck
But you can't compare Chaim to Osama...it's like comparing absolute darkness with refrigerators. Doesn't sound logical that comparison does it?
Bad is bad anyway you slice it, dannycookie... Osama is evil upon evil and what Chaim did got him kicked out of a country. At any rate they both have done wrong..the HUGE difference is that Chaim served his time for his crime... Osama has yet to be captured and tortured the way I'd like to see it happen for his attrocities. My point is that a name is just a name. This teenaged boy shouldn't be demonized because of what Osama Bin Laden did on 9/11. That would be like a child named Chaim being demonized because of what Chaim served his time for.
I understand the point you are getting at. I think that you agree that chaim and osama are apples and oranges...two compeltely different people...but i know what you are saying...
Ok...this kid's name is Osama..and then after 9/11 kids teased him like crazy...You know what? That's what children do. Welcome to the club! If he is suing, then i should ahve done it done it too...
But honestly, he and his family are being like tattle tails...suck it up and deal with it!
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Hey!!! Could we please clean up the comments that are posted here! These are the most vicious comments I've ever read since I took part on this fourm. If this doesn't stop, I wlll start reporting people and asking that they will be banned!!
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You blacks kill me. You complain and moan about the white man keeping you as slaves but you won't say a word about the muslims who practiced slavery for over 1400 years. You know that you won't get a penny out of them so you try and shake down the white man. The arabs are still practicing slavery today and your 'leaders' are not doing a damn thing except trying to shake down banks, insurance compainies and burger king. Muslims have no place in western society. They should be placed back into their hovels where they can rot in ignorance and depravity. If you love this child so much why not pay his one way ticket back to camel land where he can become a slaver and maybe enslave you.
All very true!!
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Imerica: "... I used his history as a reference because of the fact that people compared an innocent teenager's name to a terrible person. My comment was only to make the distinction that a rose by any other name is still a rose..."
Accepting Imerica's contention as true, it then stands to reason that The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was jailed in Birmingham, AL, for the simple reason that he was a common criminal caught while intentionally breaking the law.
Same for the demonstrating negroes who were attacked by German shepherd police dogs, forced off their feet by city fire hoses turned on them, and then beaten with billy clubs by the police, arrested, and jailed. Commissioner of Public Safety, Eugene "Bull" Connor, sat in his wheelchair on a rooftop supervising the situation, and gleefully shouted loudly "Look at 'them n***rs run!"
Anyone who today claims that those lawbreakers were simply breaking unjust laws which were written to oppress them and deprive them of their Constitutional rights, is simply wrong.
They are to be remembered as criminals; nothing more, and nothing less.
This is because the Law is the Law, and anyone breaking any Law for any reason whatsoever, is a criminal and an enemy of society. They must be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the Law.
This is Imerica's position on Chaim's arrest and incarceration.
During MLK's time in the Civil Rights movement, he exerted no violence toward the people who wanted to keep blacks in the background. The whole 'hosing down' of blacks back then was the police's assumption that it would stop them dead in their tracks from wanting any kind of equality. The police wasn't advanced upon. The protestors marched quietly... I saw the movie and read the accounts. They did absolutely nothing to deserve having German Shepard dogs attack them.
Another question, did this happen to the white women during sufferage, when they protested in the streets for their right to vote just like the white man? Were they hosed down, attacked by dogs, or beaten down with policemen's clubs? I can answer that for you... "hell no. " White women, at that time had sexism against them but they were still thought to be better than black men and women who didn't get a chance to vote until the late 1960's.
And another thing. My bringing up Chaim's past was merely to put an inkling of a thought into someone's head about how unimportant your name is. My husband's name is Charles, he's 34 years old. He was born after the Manson Family killed Sharon Tate and 5 other people under Charles Manson's orders. Now since my husband's parents named him Charles, do you think he was named for Charles Manson? NO. Its a family name and he happened to be a namesake. With that said, just because Chaim was sent to jail for his misdeeds doesn't mean that any male Jewish child born after his stint in jail should be demonized for being the recipient of the same name. I wasn't attempting to go any deeper than that.
No violence Imerica? I watched the news each night back then and watched that black animal MLK spur up black beasts at rallies all day and then at night they would burn half the city down and loot everything they could get their hands on. Dogs and fire hoses your right they should not have used that, they should have sent the army in and quelled the unrest in a more permanent way. Chaim did what he did to help Russian Jews that were being oppressed. No one was hurt in what Chaim did. Can you say the same for the antics if your great late MLK?
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Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
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Bold, mine... But you will find some Jimmys and Bobbys in the KKK yelling "White Power! KILL BLACKIE!" This doesn't mean that everytime I see or hear someone named Bobby or Jimmy talk or being called I'm going to think KKK. My 4 year old nephew's name is Bobby.
Honestly, the way you talk about this boy who has done absolutely nothing to deserve the bullying he's getting. Do you think anyone named David was named after David Duke?
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Get real, numbskull. Honestly what percentage of whites admire David Duke? What percentage of Muslims admire bin Laden?
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Wow we were right all along that this kurva supports Islam. She calls Chaim a criminal and lectures us on violence. Most of her bros and hos from the project are converting to Islam so i guess she feels a certain connection with this satanic religion.
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Does she knows that in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim Nazi countries to this day engage in slavery? Yes, Erica to this day they are taking slaves from Sub Sahara Africa. This is what Islam is. Anywhere Islam is in the world there is nothing but the most horrific nightmares that any normal human being can ever comprehend. As we know what they already do to women and children. And not everyone named Bobby or Jimmy is going to be related in the KKK. But Mohammed and Osama is related to Islam the most evil satanic cult. I don't call it a religion. Cause religion is based on beauty and philosophy. The Nazi Islamic cult is the complete opposite.
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First, I still believe that Imerica should be allowed to post on this forum, and that having posts from the enemy makes the forum more interesting.
I refer to Imerica as the enemy because frankly she supports the enemies of America, Israel and Western civilization.
As I have written in the past, I consider Imerica to be far more frightening than the Ebonics-ranting, housing project black criminals. Imerica is an intelligent and educated black woman who has been fully exposed to the truth, yet she persists in supporting the most evil, cruel, jealous and vicious people simply because they are black. She closes her eyes to the fact that the vast majority of her people are evil, envious demons who hate whites and Jews not because of any past injustice, but because they are simply jealous and they are too lazy to do what the whites and Jews have done to succeed.
Imerica defends the name Osama, and makes the Muslim Nazis into the victims here.
What if someone named their child Adolf Hitler? Should we respect that name as well? Don't Osama Bin Ladin and the Muslim Nazis want genocide just as Hitler did? Haven't the Muslim Nazis already committed numerous holocausts including the murder of over 2 million blacks in the Sudan?
What if someone names their child Ku Klux Klan? Would Imerica and other blacks leap to the defense of the parents and the child? If Imerica says that she would, then she is not being truthful.
Imerica is intelligent, educated and likable. But she is a supporter of pure evil although she tries to sugarcoat it for us on this forum. Imerica is very important to us. She reminds us that the intelligent, educated and likable blacks are loyal to their people despite the fact that such loyality is unjustified. She reminds us that giving blacks, Arabs and Muslims an education, a good standard of living and exposure to morality will NOT change their basic desire to destroy Western civilization. In Imerica's case, she at the very least supports and defends those who seek our destruction.
Imerica is a frightening example of why JTF is right.
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Wow Jimmy, you put everything I was thinking into words in a very elegant way. I do disagree with you that Imerica is intelligent though. I think you are giving her way too much credit. She is just a housing project swine with a brown paper bag, urinating and leaving excrement in the elevator of her housing project. I bet most of her family "Already be Muslims." In any event, I don't think she serves any purpose here and arguing with her isn't going to raise anybodies level of intelligence. It just distracts us from what we really should be doing which is prOmoting JTF. I just posted like 20 messages on the June 12th youtube video and other people should as well.
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Excellent post, Jimmy. We both know that if given the chance, Erica would gladly flip the Zyklon B switch in the chambers. People like her are infinitely more evil than your run-of-the-mill braindead Muzzies and schvartzes.
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Jsullivan...i have a lot of respect for you and I think you are a great guy.
You make it like Imerica is a conspiracy theory...I don't see it...Rather, she is misguided and hates those that generalize about hating certain groups and races. SHe finds us to be fascinating and that's why she's here as a poster. She is not FBI, she is not a Muslim lover... She likes peace...she has a certain way of approaching it. I disagree with the way she does it because the way she does it is counterproductive to the very enemy which tries to kill us and destory my way of life and your way of life and her way of life.
I do agree in principle on one thing that she is trying to argue in so many words: (and this is my gripe with the jtf forum and some of its extremist posters)
I think a lot of us sound like a bunch of monkeys and a bunch of hate mongerers. We hate blacks we hate mexicans we hate illegal aliens. We are thoughtless on what we all post...we are xenophobic...etc... Basically we talk like Chaim talks..and we shouldn't talk like Chaim because we aren't Chaim and Chaim can only be Chaim because he can defend what he says and admit when he is wrong when he realizes he's wrong. Anyone else who tries to be like him, just gets frustrated when Imerica steps in...My answer is, don't be Chaim.
Come on guys.. we have to stop hating specific groups of people even if 95% are evil. We should say that we hate murderers, we hate robbers, we hate sluts, we hate idol worshippers, we hate rap music, we hate nazis, we hate one-world thinking, we hate disrespctful, we hate when people who come to this country do not even bother to learn english, we hate liberalism and communism etc... We shoudl talk about hating actions and not people in addition to the youtube videos...When we start referring to Blacks as being animals, which they aren't, we look like a bunch of gorillas ourselves. We will not build a mass movement for sounding like a bunch of monkeys..because any lay person will not understand us. Anyone who doesn't look up Rabbi Meir Kahane and observe his eloquence will think Torah Judaism is a farse. Rather, if we say, that we hate murderers and all kinds of bad actions, all people will recognize that as true...and then possibly join us....but if we say we hate blacks or mexicans...less quality people will join us...and we all know that we don't hate all blacks and hate all mexicans....but lay people who watch QPTV, will think we do...and I sure as heck don't hate all blacks and mexicans...i actually like blacks and mexicans...I like the good blacks and good mexicans..the ones who are nice and jolly and respectful and cool and love humanity themselves and care free. I hate bad blacks and bad mexicans..the ones who are lazy that have chips on their shoulder that blame everyone else for their problems and do nothing about it who are disrespectful who steal who murder who sound like Al Sharpton or Louis fraaaakakakak....anyway you all got my jist.
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Danny, how can I be a mindless hatemongerer if I myself am not only nonwhite, but a member of one of the very groups that is criticized here (rightfully so)?
Either I have some serious self-esteem issues or perhaps I know what Mexicans are like firsthand.
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Danny, how can I be a mindless hatemongerer if I myself am not only nonwhite, but a member of one of the very groups that is criticized here (rightfully so)?
Either I have some serious self-esteem issues or perhaps I know what Mexicans are like firsthand.
chaimfan, you aren't a mindless hatemonger..but sometimes you sound like one and it pisses me off...but tonight i have gotten to know you little bit better...you're a decent guy.
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I hate the vast majority of Germans and French too--does that mean I am a white-hating Aztlanist? I don't think so. I hate evil people just like you--that's all there is to it.
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I hate the vast majority of Germans and French too--does that mean I am a white-hating Aztlanist? I don't think so. I hate evil people just like you--that's all there is to it.
see? i don't think i could say that i hated a vast majority of "Anythings"...rather i would rather hate evil deeds. I don't know all Germans or all French to say that I hated a majority of them...and nor do you, Chaimfan. Some goes with blacks or mexicans...i don't know every single one of them to hate the majority of them...however, I don't like lazy black people..i really despise those types of people.
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Danny, 93% of Germans voted for Hitler. 100% of them supported him during the war. And no, they did not just keep their mouths shut out of fear. I am talking women and children who joyously, with pomp and song, worked long overtime in the Zyklon B factories to make sure the Totenkopf always had more than enough to go around. I am talking the elderly people who became volunteer commanders of Hitlerjugend brigades. I am talking all the Hanses and Johannas and Fritzes and Astrids who gleefully ratted out every single hidden or concealed Jew, even though the Nazi authorities would have had no idea who 99% of them were.
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Danny, with all due respect, you made generalized statements and never refuted any of my specific points.
Imerica consistently defends Muslims and Arabs. Why? The Muslims and the Arabs have murdered MILLIONS of her people. A self-respecting black would hate the Muslims and the Arabs. But she defends them here and on youtube.
If she and other blacks are really upset about slavery, then why do the blacks so enthusiastically support the Arab Muslims who have millions of black slaves to this day? They hate whites for slavery which ended in 1865 (142 years ago), but love the Arab Muslim Nazis who have millions of slaves TO THIS DAY, and we all know that the slavery conditions under the Arabs are much more brutal than the slavery conditions were in the Old Confederacy.
And the blacks hate the Jews and blame them for slavery! The Jews had nothing to do with slavery, and the Jews are the ones that made the "civil rights" movement a success. To this day, the Jews fund most black organizations and causes. YET THE BLACKS DESPISE THE JEWS WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF VENOM THAT THE GERMAN NAZIS DISPLAYED.
Let's stop playing games here. Most blacks are EVIL. Period. They hate whites and Jews NOT because of slavery or past wrongs, real or imaginary. They hate whites and Jews because they are jealous. And Imerica supports them and knows damn well what the score is.
Furthermore, Imerica does not tell us even a fraction of what she REALLY thinks of us because she is on her best behavior on this forum.
Chaim was a "terrible criminal" comparable to Osama Bin Ladin?!
Was the terrorist mass murderer Nelson Mandela who slaughtered hundreds of innocent people a "terrible criminal"?
Was Malcolm X, the convicted drug dealer, pimp and rapist a "terrible criminal"?
What about Mohammed, the founder of Islam, whom Imerica defends on youtube. Was that mass murderer and serial rapist a "terrible criminal"?
Danny, you're a nice guy but you're being naive. Wake up!
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Danny, 93% of Germans voted for Hitler. 100% of them supported him during the war. And no, they did not just keep their mouths shut out of fear. I am talking women and children who joyously, with pomp and song, worked long overtime in the Zyklon B factories to make sure the Totenkopf always had more than enough to go around. I am talking the elderly people who became volunteer commanders of Hitlerjugend brigades. I am talking all the Hanses and Johannas and Fritzes and Astrids who gleefully ratted out every single hidden or concealed Jew, even though the Nazi authorities would have had no idea who 99% of them were.
i wasn't alive in those days, but i think iw oudl ahve hated them too back in teh 30's and 40's...much like I hate the "Pals" and the vast majority of Muslims for their hate of Jews and their denial of Israel.
But today...Germans..eh...i like some...French..eh...i like some...but i really don't lke what the govt is doing catering to muslims and arabs and hezballah...pisses me off when they condemn israel and use her as a double standard..a.ctually i hate it when the media and CNN does the same...
but honeslty, how can i hate most french people if i don't know all of them? or german people, if i dont knwo all of them.
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jsullivan, you're right...
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You don't know the German people?! You don't know what they did? And now you like some of them?
You write that you "think" you would have hated the Germans in the '30s and '40s during the holocaust. You're not sure because you weren't around then, but you "think" you might have hated the people who annihilated over 6 million Jews.
Wow! If that's where you're coming from, then I understand why you would defend Imerica.
I have to say as a goy, that in my opinion, your view of the world is completely un-Jewish.
In Judaism, when a nation makes war against the Jewish people, you are required to be merciless against them and to hate them. For you not to be sure that you would hate even the Germans of the '30s and '40s who were the stokers of the crematoria in Auschwitz really says it all.
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Jimmy, I hear you loud and clear, but don't call yourself "goy"! That's a vile slur that is used by racists such as David HaOmo (the Jewish David Duke) of Revava.
You are NOT "goy". You are a righteous Gentile Kahanist who is more Jewish than 98% of Jews alive today.
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You don't know the German people?! You don't know what they did? And now you like some of them?
You write that you "think" you would have hated the Germans in the '30s and '40s during the holocaust. You're not sure because you weren't around then, but you "think" you might have hated the people who annihilated over 6 million Jews.
Wow! If that's where you're coming from, then I understand why you would defend Imerica.
I have to say as a goy, that in my opinion, your view of the world is completely un-Jewish.
In Judaism, when a nation makes war against the Jewish people, you are required to be merciless against them and to hate them. For you not to be sure that you would hate even the Germans of the '30s and '40s who were the stokers of the crematoria in Auschwitz really says it all.
you're right...actually i miswrote...i wouldn't "think" to hate them in the 30's and 40's...i woudl actually hate them..when you are at war, you are supposed to hate your enemy..so technically, yes, if i lived at the time of teh Shoah, I would hate the germans..and in general the vast majority of Europe. my bad...you got me on a lasp and if i, indeed were to think that i would hate who was really supposed to hate, then my view would be un-Jewish. So you are technically correct that if anyone "thought" to hate the very nation that was at war with our's.
as far as imerica...i guess it sounds like i'm defending her, but i really don't mean to. That's not what my intent is.. My intent is how some of us respond to her. Name calling makes her look right...using Kahane eloquence makes her look more dumb in reality...and even to herself in reality...
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Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
CF... Mr. "I havent' called anyone any names", you're a liar. Secondly, I'm no slut. But I do love children and teenagers who cause no problems. And this teenager is one person I'd gladly stand up for because he isn't claiming to be on Osama Bin Laden's side he's just another bullied child with hurdles to jump over just like other people who are labled as outcasts. And yeah, Chaim is SOOO important that the politicians that be put him in jail ...it was a set up. ::) Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. And fyi. The black Panther Party wasn't developed until after MLK's death. In my opinion the BPP was just like JTF... militant in every way. Them throwing tear gas at cops and attacking police officers is akin to the idiots who loot and shoot up their own neighborhoods after basketball games. There are still members of the NBPP calling for the death of all white people. Its counter-productive and probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'll ellaborate more on that later.
But right now I'll attack this "Go to hell you Muslim-loving slut!" comment. Usually when people feel defeated, they attack in the same way you did. And without even reading a single word I was saying.
I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
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Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
CF... Mr. "I havent' called anyone any names", you're a liar. Secondly, I'm no slut. But I do love children and teenagers who cause no problems. And this teenager is one person I'd gladly stand up for because he isn't claiming to be on Osama Bin Laden's side he's just another bullied child with hurdles to jump over just like other people who are labled as outcasts. And yeah, Chaim is SOOO important that the politicians that be put him in jail ...it was a set up. ::) Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. And fyi. The black Panther Party wasn't developed until after MLK's death. In my opinion the BPP was just like JTF... militant in every way. Them throwing tear gas at cops and attacking police officers is akin to the idiots who loot and shoot up their own neighborhoods after basketball games. There are still members of the NBPP calling for the death of all white people. Its counter-productive and probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'll ellaborate more on that later.
But right now I'll attack this "Go to hell you Muslim-loving slut!" comment. Usually when people feel defeated, they attack in the same way you did. And without even reading a single word I was saying.
I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
(I'm just going to paraphrase here...before anyone here decides to attack Imerica, think before you post...right now she looks more right than anyone who called her names even if she derseved to be called a name...)
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Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
CF... Mr. "I havent' called anyone any names", you're a liar. Secondly, I'm no slut. But I do love children and teenagers who cause no problems. And this teenager is one person I'd gladly stand up for because he isn't claiming to be on Osama Bin Laden's side he's just another bullied child with hurdles to jump over just like other people who are labled as outcasts. And yeah, Chaim is SOOO important that the politicians that be put him in jail ...it was a set up. ::) Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. And fyi. The black Panther Party wasn't developed until after MLK's death. In my opinion the BPP was just like JTF... militant in every way. Them throwing tear gas at cops and attacking police officers is akin to the idiots who loot and shoot up their own neighborhoods after basketball games. There are still members of the NBPP calling for the death of all white people. Its counter-productive and probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'll ellaborate more on that later.
But right now I'll attack this "Go to hell you Muslim-loving slut!" comment. Usually when people feel defeated, they attack in the same way you did. And without even reading a single word I was saying.
I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
I will, G-d willing, name my son Chaim, in the memory of my grandfather, whose many family members died from the hands of Nazis in Romania.
First I felt this name was a little old-stylish. Now that I have learned of Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim ben Pesach, who risked their livese for other Jews, even if many of them did not deserve it, I will feel proud to name my first son Chaim. And if G-d gives me another son, I will name him Meir.
And you have that right but I'd defend your son if someone bullied him because he shares his name with Chaim of JTF. Apples and oranges. Young and not-so-young. No experience and a lot of experience. Big difference.
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Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
CF... Mr. "I havent' called anyone any names", you're a liar. Secondly, I'm no slut. But I do love children and teenagers who cause no problems. And this teenager is one person I'd gladly stand up for because he isn't claiming to be on Osama Bin Laden's side he's just another bullied child with hurdles to jump over just like other people who are labled as outcasts. And yeah, Chaim is SOOO important that the politicians that be put him in jail ...it was a set up. ::) Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. And fyi. The black Panther Party wasn't developed until after MLK's death. In my opinion the BPP was just like JTF... militant in every way. Them throwing tear gas at cops and attacking police officers is akin to the idiots who loot and shoot up their own neighborhoods after basketball games. There are still members of the NBPP calling for the death of all white people. Its counter-productive and probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'll ellaborate more on that later.
But right now I'll attack this "Go to hell you Muslim-loving slut!" comment. Usually when people feel defeated, they attack in the same way you did. And without even reading a single word I was saying.
I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
I will, G-d willing, name my son Chaim, in the memory of my grandfather, whose many family members died from the hands of Nazis in Romania.
First I felt this name was a little old-stylish. Now that I have learned of Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim ben Pesach, who risked their livese for other Jews, even if many of them did not deserve it, I will feel proud to name my first son Chaim. And if G-d gives me another son, I will name him Meir.
And you have that right but I'd defend your son if someone bullied him because he shares his name with Chaim of JTF. Apples and oranges. Young and not-so-young. No experience and a lot of experience. Big difference.
His name will be Chaim, and not Stanley Tookie Williams. Getting the difference?
Besides that… Think for a moment! A black woman accidentally found the name of ONE Jew who was in prison. ONE!!!! And she is playing with that…
Erica, go find another name. Find another Jew who was in jail. I want to see how you gonna do that.
Don’t count Blacks as Jews though, otherwise 95% of all prisoners will be counted as Jews.
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You don't know the German people?! You don't know what they did? And now you like some of them?
You write that you "think" you would have hated the Germans in the '30s and '40s during the holocaust. You're not sure because you weren't around then, but you "think" you might have hated the people who annihilated over 6 million Jews.
Wow! If that's where you're coming from, then I understand why you would defend Imerica.
I have to say as a goy, that in my opinion, your view of the world is completely un-Jewish.
In Judaism, when a nation makes war against the Jewish people, you are required to be merciless against them and to hate them. For you not to be sure that you would hate even the Germans of the '30s and '40s who were the stokers of the crematoria in Auschwitz really says it all.
In this vain, Rav Hutner zt'l told Jewish American soldiers about to go to Mainland Europe(Rav Hutner zt'l was in England) that every German they killed was as a Korban to Hashem and a great Mitzvah. It is in the book Lieutenant Birnbaum, I happened to meet the Lieutenant and he is a great hero.
Jimmy, I hear you loud and clear, but don't call yourself "goy"! That's a vile slur that is used by racists such as David HaOmo (the Jewish David Duke) of Revava.
You are NOT "goy". You are a righteous Gentile Kahanist who is more Jewish than 98% of Jews alive today.
::) Goy means nation, its not an insult its just the word used to refer non-Jews.
Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
CF... Mr. "I havent' called anyone any names", you're a liar. Secondly, I'm no slut. But I do love children and teenagers who cause no problems. And this teenager is one person I'd gladly stand up for because he isn't claiming to be on Osama Bin Laden's side he's just another bullied child with hurdles to jump over just like other people who are labled as outcasts. And yeah, Chaim is SOOO important that the politicians that be put him in jail ...it was a set up. ::) Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. And fyi. The black Panther Party wasn't developed until after MLK's death. In my opinion the BPP was just like JTF... militant in every way. Them throwing tear gas at cops and attacking police officers is akin to the idiots who loot and shoot up their own neighborhoods after basketball games. There are still members of the NBPP calling for the death of all white people. Its counter-productive and probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'll ellaborate more on that later.
But right now I'll attack this "Go to hell you Muslim-loving slut!" comment. Usually when people feel defeated, they attack in the same way you did. And without even reading a single word I was saying.
I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
I will, G-d willing, name my son Chaim, in the memory of my grandfather, whose many family members died from the hands of Nazis in Romania.
First I felt this name was a little old-stylish. Now that I have learned of Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim ben Pesach, who risked their livese for other Jews, even if many of them did not deserve it, I will feel proud to name my first son Chaim. And if G-d gives me another son, I will name him Meir.
And you have that right but I'd defend your son if someone bullied him because he shares his name with Chaim of JTF. Apples and oranges. Young and not-so-young. No experience and a lot of experience. Big difference.
You are being pretty despicable here pretending to be some sort of hero saying you will defend someone for being named after a Gibor ::) Chaim broke laws to save Jewish lives, Osama broke laws with the express purpose of killing people. Any comparison is shameful beyond words>:(
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Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
CF... Mr. "I havent' called anyone any names", you're a liar. Secondly, I'm no slut. But I do love children and teenagers who cause no problems. And this teenager is one person I'd gladly stand up for because he isn't claiming to be on Osama Bin Laden's side he's just another bullied child with hurdles to jump over just like other people who are labled as outcasts. And yeah, Chaim is SOOO important that the politicians that be put him in jail ...it was a set up. ::) Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. And fyi. The black Panther Party wasn't developed until after MLK's death. In my opinion the BPP was just like JTF... militant in every way. Them throwing tear gas at cops and attacking police officers is akin to the idiots who loot and shoot up their own neighborhoods after basketball games. There are still members of the NBPP calling for the death of all white people. Its counter-productive and probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'll ellaborate more on that later.
But right now I'll attack this "Go to hell you Muslim-loving slut!" comment. Usually when people feel defeated, they attack in the same way you did. And without even reading a single word I was saying.
I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
I will, G-d willing, name my son Chaim, in the memory of my grandfather, whose many family members died from the hands of Nazis in Romania.
First I felt this name was a little old-stylish. Now that I have learned of Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim ben Pesach, who risked their livese for other Jews, even if many of them did not deserve it, I will feel proud to name my first son Chaim. And if G-d gives me another son, I will name him Meir.
And you have that right but I'd defend your son if someone bullied him because he shares his name with Chaim of JTF. Apples and oranges. Young and not-so-young. No experience and a lot of experience. Big difference.
His name will be Chaim, and not Stanley Tookie Williams. Getting the difference?
Besides that… Think for a moment! A black woman accidentally found the name of ONE Jew who was in prison. ONE!!!! And she is playing with that…
Erica, go find another name. Find another Jew who was in jail. I want to see how you gonna do that.
Don’t count Blacks as Jews though, otherwise 95% of all prisoners will be counted as Jews.
I wasn't playing with anything. I brought Chaim up because you all knew him and I thought you knew why he was in jail. (someone asked me why he was in jail and that's why I posted the link). I didn't say I accidentally found the name of one Jew who was in jail. I'm sure that there are more , but you'd probably call them self-hating Jews. You seem to think this is a bash against your culture...I was just asking how you'd feel if the child you would have named Chaim was bullied and compared to Chaim of JTF, who did time in jail. Spending time in jail to some people is not a good thing, no matter how honorable others feel the person was.
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You don't know the German people?! You don't know what they did? And now you like some of them?
You write that you "think" you would have hated the Germans in the '30s and '40s during the holocaust. You're not sure because you weren't around then, but you "think" you might have hated the people who annihilated over 6 million Jews.
Wow! If that's where you're coming from, then I understand why you would defend Imerica.
I have to say as a goy, that in my opinion, your view of the world is completely un-Jewish.
In Judaism, when a nation makes war against the Jewish people, you are required to be merciless against them and to hate them. For you not to be sure that you would hate even the Germans of the '30s and '40s who were the stokers of the crematoria in Auschwitz really says it all.
In this vain, Rav Hutner zt'l told Jewish American soldiers about to go to Mainland Europe(Rav Hutner zt'l was in England) that every German they killed was as a Korban to Hashem and a great Mitzvah. It is in the book Lieutenant Birnbaum, I happened to meet the Lieutenant and he is a great hero.
Jimmy, I hear you loud and clear, but don't call yourself "goy"! That's a vile slur that is used by racists such as David HaOmo (the Jewish David Duke) of Revava.
You are NOT "goy". You are a righteous Gentile Kahanist who is more Jewish than 98% of Jews alive today.
::) Goy means nation, its not an insult its just the word used to refer non-Jews.
Maliciously slandered? This is all true, about Chaim. He didn't go to jail for being a boy scout. He did something that warranted him going to jail. Cut the crap C.F. Are you saying that he didn't do the things discribed in the article AND link I posted?
Go to hell, Muslim-loving slut. You know full well that Chaim's prosecution was politically motivated. When Panther members threw tear gas at white cops during their "civil rights" demonstrations they never got anything more than a couple nights in the local pokey. You are full of camel dreck and a patch of mold on our forum.
CF... Mr. "I havent' called anyone any names", you're a liar. Secondly, I'm no slut. But I do love children and teenagers who cause no problems. And this teenager is one person I'd gladly stand up for because he isn't claiming to be on Osama Bin Laden's side he's just another bullied child with hurdles to jump over just like other people who are labled as outcasts. And yeah, Chaim is SOOO important that the politicians that be put him in jail ...it was a set up. ::) Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. And fyi. The black Panther Party wasn't developed until after MLK's death. In my opinion the BPP was just like JTF... militant in every way. Them throwing tear gas at cops and attacking police officers is akin to the idiots who loot and shoot up their own neighborhoods after basketball games. There are still members of the NBPP calling for the death of all white people. Its counter-productive and probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'll ellaborate more on that later.
But right now I'll attack this "Go to hell you Muslim-loving slut!" comment. Usually when people feel defeated, they attack in the same way you did. And without even reading a single word I was saying.
I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
I will, G-d willing, name my son Chaim, in the memory of my grandfather, whose many family members died from the hands of Nazis in Romania.
First I felt this name was a little old-stylish. Now that I have learned of Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim ben Pesach, who risked their livese for other Jews, even if many of them did not deserve it, I will feel proud to name my first son Chaim. And if G-d gives me another son, I will name him Meir.
And you have that right but I'd defend your son if someone bullied him because he shares his name with Chaim of JTF. Apples and oranges. Young and not-so-young. No experience and a lot of experience. Big difference.
You are being pretty despicable here pretending to be some sort of hero saying you will defend someone for being named after a Gibor ::) Chaim broke laws to save Jewish lives, Osama broke laws with the express purpose of killing people. Any comparison is shameful beyond words>:(
The teenaged Osama wasn't named AFTER OSAMA BIN LADEN. Just like there are Chaims born all of the time who most likely aren't being named for Chaim Bin Pesach.
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Hey, your joke is really funny, but if you don't mind, I'll do the ha-ha part tomorrow; too late now.
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Hey, your joke is really funny, but if you don't mind, I'll do the ha-ha part tomorrow; too late now.
You're too kind. lmao. :D I'll laugh tomorrow also...right now I have to put my 2 year-old to bed. G'nite everyone.
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Seven! Seven Costanza!
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Seven! Seven Costanza!
I know of one Neo-Soul artist who had a son and named him Seven. Erykah Badu. (His father is actually Andre Benjamin of Outkast. ) The reason she named him Seven is because 'seven is a devine number' . I didn't get that exactly but I respect her right to name her children what she wants to. She later had a daughter who she named Puma.
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Seven! Seven Costanza!
I know of one Neo-Soul artist who had a son and named him Seven. Erykah Badu. (His father is actually Andre Benjamin of Outkast. ) The reason she named him Seven is because 'seven is a devine number' . I didn't get that exactly but I respect her right to name her children what she wants to. She later had a daughter who she named Puma.
or Soda, or Ketchup...
Or Mug...Mug Costanza!
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Seven! Seven Costanza!
I know of one Neo-Soul artist who had a son and named him Seven. Erykah Badu. (His father is actually Andre Benjamin of Outkast. ) The reason she named him Seven is because 'seven is a devine number' . I didn't get that exactly but I respect her right to name her children what she wants to. She later had a daughter who she named Puma.
or Soda, or Ketchup...
Or Mug...Mug Costanza!
How about "Whatumacallit"? lol
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I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
You're making less and less sense by the minute. Whether you like it or not, average Americans see a huge difference between Chaim's act of heroism and bin Laden's mass murder. I know you think what Chaim did was worse than bin Laden somehow, but not too many people are going to agree with you.
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Re: "...Seven! Seven Costanza!..."
Pep-sickoluh
Ko-Ko-luh
Ter-sel
Toy-yote-uh
O-ran-jeluh
Ate (after Seven)
Coat-45
Drank
Aks-uh-dent
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At one time, it looked like Erica was at least slightly interested in learning about us and why we believe what we do. This latest jewel from her dung-covered fingers shows her true colors for all to see.
The question will be what the admins do now.
She's a spy. She's keeping tabs. When I suggested that to her she laughed as if that's the last thing JTF would ever attract. Of course not ???
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At one time, it looked like Erica was at least slightly interested in learning about us and why we believe what we do. This latest jewel from her dung-covered fingers shows her true colors for all to see.
The question will be what the admins do now.
She's a spy. She's keeping tabs. When I suggested that to her she laughed as if that's the last thing JTF would ever attract. Of course not ???
you and your conspiracies...she is just a much a "spy" as anyone else on this forum...
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
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I'll humor you a little by reiterating what I was saying. YOU and some of your friends here bashed a young person because his name is Osama. Then you likened him to the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. THEN you a few others called the boy a camel jockey and other anti muslim names. When I brought Chaim's name into the fold, it was to make the same points YOU made. Would you get angry at someone who made fun of a child who's name would happen to be Chaim because of what they know about his stint in jail? Do you think it would be fair to punish a child ( Chaim) for the choices (Adult) Chaim Ben Pesach made?
You're making less and less sense by the minute. Whether you like it or not, average Americans see a huge difference between Chaim's act of heroism and bin Laden's mass murder. I know you think what Chaim did was worse than bin Laden somehow, but not too many people are going to agree with you.
You know NOTHING. I didn't say that what Chaim did was worse than Bin Laden's actions. Bin Laden's attrocities were a whole lot WORSE than Chaim's actions , which he was man enough to serve his time for. I hate it when people put words I never said into posts.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
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At one time, it looked like Erica was at least slightly interested in learning about us and why we believe what we do. This latest jewel from her dung-covered fingers shows her true colors for all to see.
The question will be what the admins do now.
She's a spy. She's keeping tabs. When I suggested that to her she laughed as if that's the last thing JTF would ever attract. Of course not ???
you and your conspiracies...she is just a much a "spy" as anyone else on this forum...
Allen and Judea actually suggested that I come here. So how in the hell am I a spy? (That's for Allen, Danny)_
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
You're right Zvulun...It's like reasoning with a brick wall.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
No I don't agree with you. He helped to set off bombs. I don't see how that's a good thing at all. I never said he should have raped or killed anyone but his actions could very well have done so. He served his time.
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At one time, it looked like Erica was at least slightly interested in learning about us and why we believe what we do. This latest jewel from her dung-covered fingers shows her true colors for all to see.
The question will be what the admins do now.
She's a spy. She's keeping tabs. When I suggested that to her she laughed as if that's the last thing JTF would ever attract. Of course not ???
you and your conspiracies...she is just a much a "spy" as anyone else on this forum...
Allen and Judea actually suggested that I come here. So how in the hell am I a spy? (That's for Allen, Danny)_
I agree with you on that one Imerica. You were most definitely invited to the JTF forum.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
No I don't agree with you. He helped to set off bombs. I don't see how that's a good thing at all. I never said he should have raped or killed anyone but his actions could very well have done so. He served his time.
Do you drive, Erica?
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
No I don't agree with you. He helped to set off bombs. I don't see how that's a good thing at all. I never said he should have raped or killed anyone but his actions could very well have done so. He served his time.
Do you drive, Erica?
Yes, I do. Why?
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
No I don't agree with you. He helped to set off bombs. I don't see how that's a good thing at all. I never said he should have raped or killed anyone but his actions could very well have done so. He served his time.
Do you drive, Erica?
She almost killed some poor motorcyclist.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
What did Chaim do that was horrible?
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
I know. What did he do that was horrible?
Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
No I don't agree with you. He helped to set off bombs. I don't see how that's a good thing at all. I never said he should have raped or killed anyone but his actions could very well have done so. He served his time.
Do you drive, Erica?
She almost killed some poor motorcyclist.
That was uncalled for, really. I actually admitted that to Zvulun. It was an accident. I turned too widely and didn't see the cyclist in my blind spot. It was totally my fault and I owned up to it.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
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You see? You are using the same hypothetical reasoning.
You may say that even if you killed the guy, you at least did not do that intentionally.
Then I would say, can you prove me that was the intent of Chaim. And the answer is no. He did his time for political protesting.
By the way, if you lived in Russia, you would have gone to jail for killing or even injuring someone on the road. There was no insurance there.
Now, what is the chance of a mass murder occurence when you crash a plane into a skyscraper?
99.99%. Right?
Osama is a bad guy. You and Chaim are good guys.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Why not just use the names of the great old black child actors Buckwheat or even better Farina ;D
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You know what? I would recommend this kid's parents to change his name to Chaim.
I put money that he will be respected beyond the skies, if other kids knew of Chaim ben Pesach.
But if you feel differently, why won't you call your son Osama? Really... Just for experiment.
I don't have a son... Not sure how Osama would look on the 5 girls I have. So no dice. If I had a son, though I don't think I'd name him Osama though. There aren't any black men, that I know of, who would be able to pull that name off. I would name my son after my husband though. I have one daughter who has the female version of my husband's first name as her middle name.
On second thought... why don't I just name the next child "OATMEAL". I like oatmeal. :) There's nothing threatening about the name and its good for you. :) *Lame attempt at being funny...sorry, its late.* lol
Why not just use the names of the great old black child actors Buckwheat or even better Farina ;D
Okaaay.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
I wanted you to feel the difference. Neither you nor Chaim intended to hurt anyone and have not. That's why the names Erica and Chaim will still be popular, unless Erica does something really bad.
Osama, on the other leg, intended and did kill thousands of innocent Americans, and this name, unfortunately for all of us, will be associated with evil.
That kid was innocent, but the first party that his parents have to sue is not the US Government, but Osama bin Laden's family and the Saudi Royal Family.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
I wanted you to feel the difference. Neither you nor Chaim intended to hurt anyone and have not. That's why the names Erica and Chaim will still be popular, unless Erica does something really bad.
Osama, on the other leg, intended and did kill thousands of innocent Americans, and this name, unfortunately for all of us, will be associated with evil.
That kid was innocent, but the first party that his parents have to sue is not the US Government, but Osama bin Laden's family and the Saudi Royal Family.
I see what you're saying, but I have to say that driving a car won't land you in jail... carrying a bomb will though. But I'll concede with the fact that in the wrong hands, both are extremely dangerous. Drunk driver, visually impaired driver... Man on a mission to scare some people.
ETA: Osama will be dealt with if he isn't already dead. And the family should just live with the name they gave their child. They should teach him how to make that name synonomous with peace, intelligence, tolerance, and creativity. Forget suing anyone. The federal govt isn't to blame for what they named his son. It was their choice to change his name and their decision to strip the boy of his identity (non-relative to Osama Bin Laden).
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Erica, thank you for this long, but very productive debate.
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Erica, thank you for this long, but very productive debate.
I don't know how productive its been but thank you also.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
I wanted you to feel the difference. Neither you nor Chaim intended to hurt anyone and have not. That's why the names Erica and Chaim will still be popular, unless Erica does something really bad.
Osama, on the other leg, intended and did kill thousands of innocent Americans, and this name, unfortunately for all of us, will be associated with evil.
That kid was innocent, but the first party that his parents have to sue is not the US Government, but Osama bin Laden's family and the Saudi Royal Family.
I see what you're saying, but I have to say that driving a car won't land you in jail... carrying a bomb will though. But I'll concede with the fact that in the wrong hands, both are extremely dangerous. Drunk driver, visually impaired driver... Man on a mission to scare some people.
ETA: Osama will be dealt with if he isn't already dead. And the family should just live with the name they gave their child. They should teach him how to make that name synonomous with peace, intelligence, tolerance, and creativity. Forget suing anyone. The federal govt isn't to blame for what they named his son. It was their choice to change his name and their decision to strip the boy of his identity (non-relative to Osama Bin Laden).
When you look at your first and last post here, you will understand how productive it was.
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Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
I wanted you to feel the difference. Neither you nor Chaim intended to hurt anyone and have not. That's why the names Erica and Chaim will still be popular, unless Erica does something really bad.
Osama, on the other leg, intended and did kill thousands of innocent Americans, and this name, unfortunately for all of us, will be associated with evil.
That kid was innocent, but the first party that his parents have to sue is not the US Government, but Osama bin Laden's family and the Saudi Royal Family.
I see what you're saying, but I have to say that driving a car won't land you in jail... carrying a bomb will though. But I'll concede with the fact that in the wrong hands, both are extremely dangerous. Drunk driver, visually impaired driver... Man on a mission to scare some people.
ETA: Osama will be dealt with if he isn't already dead. And the family should just live with the name they gave their child. They should teach him how to make that name synonomous with peace, intelligence, tolerance, and creativity. Forget suing anyone. The federal govt isn't to blame for what they named his son. It was their choice to change his name and their decision to strip the boy of his identity (non-relative to Osama Bin Laden).
When you look at your first and last post here, you will understand how productive it was.
:) Thanks again.