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Title: To JSullivan: When will Chaim's rules for the dating sections be ready?
Post by: adam613 on November 23, 2006, 07:43:37 PM
I hope nobody finds this over the top. I just think that for the sacrifices Chaim has made he deserves to get married and have some kind of family. I mean if that animal Rupert Murdoch at 70 years old and with 4 children from two previous marriages marries a 30 year old scummy women who is only interrested in his money some younger women should be interested in a soon to be 50-year old Chaim who has made legitimate sacrifices for Russian Jewry and Israeli Jewry. The reasons aren't for money but is rewarding a man that has made a tremendous sacrifice for the Jewish people. Anyone I hope people don't find this post over the top. I know there aren't that many women on this forum.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices.
Post by: fake plastic trees on November 24, 2006, 07:13:34 PM
I believe in...not kissing before marriage.



nice life you'll have
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: MarZutra on November 24, 2006, 09:08:46 PM
To answer your question: No.  Young women today are too dumbed down with Liberalism, Shvartzism, "progressive" Judaism or Orthodox Judaism that wishes to remain voiceless and weak in my humble opinion.  My sister is a nice "Reform" Jew, Top of her profession, VERY Liberal, 36, filled with feminist false self confidence and wonders why she is single?  A direct product of "Progressive" thinking in my opinion.  Those who should be married and having children aren't and those who aren't married who should NOT be having children are.  Of couse there are exceptions to every rule, the Muslims who are married and are having litters of 8-15 children....that those in the first catagory are financing through massive "Wealth Transfer" programs and "progressive" taxation....  "Decline of the West"...
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: TheCoon on November 24, 2006, 10:10:44 PM
Go meet someone through your synagogue or something. Get involved in your synagogue or church and help out when you can. I guarantee you'll meet someone nice that way.

IMO, this thread is over the top. For goodness sake, people...  >:(

Steps to finding a girl:

1) Stop generalizing them as brainwashed, only liking black men, liberal, etc, etc.

2) If you have a small group of friends and/or don't want to meet them in places like clubs, etc(wouldn't blame you if you didn't) then get involved in your community. This can be church, sports that are good for co-ed like volleyball, community service, volunteer at hospitals, clinics, old folks homes, etc. You will meet girls in these things. Chances are, girls with morals

3) Get rid of notions like not kissing before marriage. I'm sorry Yaacov but that is ridiculous. I've never heard of this and I know plenty of orthodox Jews. There's nothing wrong with maintaining your virginity but girls will want some intimacy.

4) Be confidant and be yourself. If a girl isn't gonna accept you and your shortcomings, why bother? Unless she's really really really hot of course. ;)
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: GentileLady on November 24, 2006, 10:40:15 PM
Chaim is, and will be, blessed.  His sacrifices will be rewarded.  He was chosen for a very difficult, thankless job, and he did not shirk his responsibilities or ask for the cup to be taken from him.  He has allowed the Lord to lead him, and for this he will undoubtedly be rewarded.

Signed, Married and old.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: MarZutra on November 25, 2006, 08:31:37 AM
Go meet someone through your synagogue or something. Get involved in your synagogue or church and help out when you can. I guarantee you'll meet someone nice that way.

IMO, this thread is over the top. For goodness sake, people...  >:(

Steps to finding a girl:

1) Stop generalizing them as brainwashed, only liking black men, liberal, etc, etc.

2) If you have a small group of friends and/or don't want to meet them in places like clubs, etc(wouldn't blame you if you didn't) then get involved in your community. This can be church, sports that are good for co-ed like volleyball, community service, volunteer at hospitals, clinics, old folks homes, etc. You will meet girls in these things. Chances are, girls with morals

3) Get rid of notions like not kissing before marriage. I'm sorry Yaacov but that is ridiculous. I've never heard of this and I know plenty of orthodox Jews. There's nothing wrong with maintaining your virginity but girls will want some intimacy.

4) Be confidant and be yourself. If a girl isn't gonna accept you and your shortcomings, why bother? Unless she's really really really hot of course. ;)
Very good advice.  I agree with your analysis for the most part.  Simply, as time passes more and more women are catering to the continual bombardment of feminist, "progressive" propaganda starting from the womb to the grave.  Here in Canada the texts for elementary school students advocate everything on the leftist aganda: Same Sex this, feminism that, hate whitey here, love everyone elses culture there, everything and every one is equal, "team player"/groups think.  It is actually quite sad.  In my honest estimate the averge Canadian girl under 25, NOT ALL, but I'd say quickly becoming the majority had serviced almost as many men/boys as their age.  They (the "progressive" Left) is continually teaching them false "pride" and a false sense of self-confidence/respect via promoting "sexual liberation", "experiment with your homosexual feelings" etc. to the point where most youths here actually wish the legalization of drugs and prostitution.  The result in most cases is ignorance and a very self fulfilled prostitute in my opinion.  You are correct in your steps, because obviously these types of women/girls would not be attending or volunteering in any of the groups you suggest.  The sad facts are that those groups are becoming smaller and lesser as the West becomes more "progressive" and "tolerant".  I do agree with your analysis just wishing to touch on both the educational system and the media which have totally vanquished Conservative values within our youth.....   PS: I am not a woman hater not whatsoever, I feel women should be embracing their true feminin self and good values and not feminism, "diversity" and "progressiveness" because there is absolutley nothing attractive nor feminin in a feminist just ignorance and immense arrogance.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: Alex on November 25, 2006, 08:42:41 AM
My mother said that women like security and I could agree with her.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: TheCoon on November 25, 2006, 08:55:03 PM
The only thing I've heard that is anything like that is not kissing during a woman's period of menstruation.

If this is the case then 99% of Jews don't know Judaism. Can you please show me where in Jewish law this notion of "not kissing" is present? I'm curious as to where it exists.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: fake plastic trees on November 26, 2006, 07:58:59 AM
The only thing I've heard that is anything like that is not kissing during a woman's period of menstruation.


A man can't even touch his wife or sleep in the same bed without having sex during her period. A man is not supposed to even shake hands with or in any way touch a woman who is not his wife, sister, mother, or daughter.

A man isn't even supposed to hear a woman sing unless she is his wife.

Not all Jews are strict about all these things. I used to believe in kissing before marriage and I thought not kissing before marriage was only being extra strict just like eating Glatt Kosher is a stricter version of eating kosher, although Jews are not required to keep Glatt Kosher. But it is Halacha, not just extra strictness. But the no kissing part is as far as I follow. That doesn't mean I think it is okay to break those other prohibitions. I'm just not as observant on those parts. I'm not even fully observant of Shabbat yet but I still accept that you must keep Shabbat and the fact that I don't fully observe it is a sin.



You can't seriously think that kissing before marriage is WRONG... if you hold those beliefs, you won't ever get married!
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: TheCoon on November 26, 2006, 08:17:45 AM
I wonder if JTF has any rabbis in the movement that could answer this?
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: fake plastic trees on November 26, 2006, 03:30:42 PM
The only thing I've heard that is anything like that is not kissing during a woman's period of menstruation.


A man can't even touch his wife or sleep in the same bed without having sex during her period. A man is not supposed to even shake hands with or in any way touch a woman who is not his wife, sister, mother, or daughter.

A man isn't even supposed to hear a woman sing unless she is his wife.

Not all Jews are strict about all these things. I used to believe in kissing before marriage and I thought not kissing before marriage was only being extra strict just like eating Glatt Kosher is a stricter version of eating kosher, although Jews are not required to keep Glatt Kosher. But it is Halacha, not just extra strictness. But the no kissing part is as far as I follow. That doesn't mean I think it is okay to break those other prohibitions. I'm just not as observant on those parts. I'm not even fully observant of Shabbat yet but I still accept that you must keep Shabbat and the fact that I don't fully observe it is a sin.



You can't seriously think that kissing before marriage is WRONG... if you hold those beliefs, you won't ever get married!


You are ignorant. How do you think religious Jews get married? Holding those beliefs makes it easier to get married because if you insist on kissing before marriage, a religious woman wouldn't want to marry you.



And how many of these religious women do you know?
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: LeChayim on November 26, 2006, 05:36:36 PM
Yacov,

If you choose not to kiss a woman before marriage, that's obviously your prerogative. But be aware that you are making a sacrifice, because it does narrow the pool of available Jewish girls who might otherwise be right for you.

And if you're going to make such a sacrifice, you must explore for certain whether this is actually halachah. I maintain it is not. If I'm wrong - and I don't say this facetiously - show me. Where in the Torah - written or oral - can you find reference to this?

In this week's parsha (weekly Torah portion), we read that when Jacob met Rachel for the first time, he kissed her. This is not a Midrash, or some Rabbi's interpretation or opinion. It's written in plain Hebrew. "And Jacob kissed Rachel" (Gen 29:11). Seven verses later, we learn that they had fallen in love ("And Jacob loved Rachel"). We see from here that affection - as well as physical attraction ("And Rachel was of beautiful form and fair to look upon") - is an acceptable part of an evolving relationship between a man and a woman, before they get married or even engaged.

You ask "How do you think religious Jews get married?" Well, actually there is a crisis among religious communities regarding the issue. More and more men and women spend many years being single, because there is no format for courting, meeting the opposite sex, and developing a relationship. So they wait for someone to "set them up," while everyone is busy reviewing the other's resume instead of meeting, talking, physically interacting and falling in love.

You go to a wedding (a great place to meet the opposite sex), but you meet no one, because more and more weddings now have separate seating for men and women, due to the influence of the "more-frum-than-the-Torah" crowd.

A couple might get set up, but the date is awkward, because the two strangers feel somehow guilty if they lean too close to eachother across the table in the restaurant.

I'm happily married, and I met my wife when I was 24. I was (am) lucky. But it wouldn't have happened, had I not asked her out, kissed her, developed a relationship, and fallen in love.

Your level of observance is, of course your personal choice. But you've got to ask yourself whether you are following Halachah, or someone else's notion of "frumkiet."
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: adam613 on November 26, 2006, 07:20:29 PM
Wow! This turned into quite a discussion, Yakov. Yeah, I am 33 and single and I agree that it is almost impossible to meet people and their is a serious problem meeting people. Where I live the single women do not at all know where the single guys are even though there are single guys in the Jewish phone book in the area. It is so bad that one women thinks that no single men live here and said the community is the worst place for a single women as there are no single guys. The community treats the guys so badly that none of them feel comfortable. And they have even banned men from the community because one girl complained about the guy even though she wasn't nice to the guy either. So guys just stay away. I grew up Orthodox but stay home because where I live the Rabbi's I can't trust. They are all "women Rabbi's". I did find one shul with a Chabad Rabbi that I can't walked to on Shabbos but is about 10 miles away that the shul is nice. The congregation is MO even though the Rabbi is Chabad as they couldn't afford a full time Rabbi but the community was nice even though it was very small. I just brought this up because I guess I think that even if Chaim isn't in Israel he should still if he could try to get married which I understand is obviously difficult in his circumstances. You never know what can happen by posting something.

   I have to say that I just am very alarmed at how feminism is so out of control in Orthodoxy today. The only men the women like are "Rabbi's" and  men on top and the women want Rabbi's and the government to protect them but don't want a husband unless he acts like their girlfriend. In Genesis it says g-d created women to be man's helpmate but a lot of the Rabbi's like to hide behind women because they are less of a threat to their jobs then intelligent men are. Some of these Rabbi's constantly giving insincere flattery to women that they think if a man disagrees's with anything they say it is abuse. The Patriarchs and Matriarchs didn't see eye to eye on every issue. Can you can go out with women that are big feminists? Are their younger women that are not feminists?

The women also want to be able to divorce at the drop of a hat and get alimony and child support. This creates an environment where why should a woman want a man that is moral if they can divorce a guy at the drop of hat? When men divorce (even though some cases I think the men are acting selfishly) but they do have to compensate the women and many times have to give up the children. When the women divorces she gives nothing to the guy and only takes. This is called "equality". This is insane. So I just needed to let off some steam here.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: LeChayim on November 26, 2006, 07:34:14 PM
You hit the nail on the head with your first sentence. On the one hand, if you don't go where the religious women are, how will you find one? On the other hand, all the places where you can expect to see religious women are designed to keep you separated from them. And even if per chance you find yourself within 10 feet of a single women, you can't, G-d forbid, talk to her, much less ask her out. That would be immodest. So, what the "frum" crowd is telling you is that it's wrong to for men and women to meet. Are you obligated by Halachah to stay single?

There is no social network for singles, because the leaders of the Jewish communities (big surprise here) simply don't care. They're so concerned about looking frum that they're busy running around making sure a woman isn't seen in the same zip code as a guy she might be interested in. But they care nothing about the singles crisis, because their kids will get the best shiduch anyway. So they leave it up to the business sector to come up with costly organizations like frumster.

What exactly, according to whoever dictates these rules (and it is not mandated by the Torah), is a young man without well connected parents supposed to do to meet his mate? What is immodest about a man speaking to a woman - in good taste, of course - to see whether there is a mutual interest to persue a relationship? And I will give you a thousand-to-one that the ones who enforce these restrictions, and reinvent them to be more restrictive as each day passes, were themselves the biggest playboys (or worse) in their younger years.

I'm telling you, Yacov, it's a lie. A fraud. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a man persuing his mate. And to do that, you must somehow get her attention and gain her interest, and develop a mutual affection.

You don't necessarily have to date for recreational purposes, but recreation is a good start to get to know someone. If there is an interest after the first date, you have another one. And as time goes by, you decide whether you are right for eachother based on what you've learned in the time you've spent together. And if you break up, at least you tried. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

And I'm not suggesting you passively fall in love, but you don't "choose" to love someone either. As the relationship progresses, you should develop mutual feelings toward eachother. You don't just walk up to someone and say "Good afternoon, ma'am. I'd like to consider you as a potential wife. Shall we discuss it over dinner." (Hmmm. On second thought, that might be a good pick-up line.)
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on November 26, 2006, 08:59:37 PM
I didnt read all the posts here , but i came acroos about eating glat Kosher and Kosher -  J Shabbat - eating only Glatt Kosher is allowed for Jews (Sefardim expecially) The Rabbis say that if its only "kosher" its Not allowed, soo its not just an extra stringency. also about other labels that claim to be koser - its a big problem becuase many of the companies are from Reform and conservative standards. for example- I asked my Professor ( who is a Conservative Jew, ( nice Guy though) ) whats the diff between them and Orthodox, he told me that for example they allow cheese that has chemicals made out of meat to be made and eaten with the cheese. But according to Halaha such a thing is assur (forbidden) and disguesting. this is a big problem expecially for Sefardim who say see it says k , or any other symbol that resembles kosher, but in reality we are being fooled that its kosher, where in fact in some cases its worse then eating a piece of non-kosher meat. (for example cheese with meat is worse then non- Kosher meat itself)
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: LeChayim on November 26, 2006, 09:21:31 PM
In this week's parsha (weekly Torah portion), we read that when Jacob met Rachel for the first time, he kissed her. This is not a Midrash, or some Rabbi's interpretation or opinion. It's written in plain Hebrew. "And Jacob kissed Rachel" (Gen 29:11). Seven verses later, we learn that they had fallen in love ("And Jacob loved Rachel"). We see from here that affection - as well as physical attraction ("And Rachel was of beautiful form and fair to look upon") - is an acceptable part of an evolving relationship between a man and a woman, before they get married or even engaged.


I asked a rabbi about that. He said Jacob was able to kiss Rachel because he was on such a level and because she was his cousin. Today Jews are not on such a high level and can't even kiss their cousins before marriage.



(Pardon me, I'm about to have a tirade)

That's a bunch of horse manure!!! On a higher level. So I suppose, once you achieve a certain level, you are exempt from halachah? If it's allowed, it's allowed. If not, not. Besides, Yacov didn't consider himself to be on a higher level. Also, how convenient! We can then dismiss any evidence brought from our forefathers by claiming they were on a higher level. Please.

And as for the cousin thing. First of all, kissing a cousin makes it worse. And anyway, Yacov intended to marry her. He loved her as a potential wife, not "cousin Rachel."

See what I mean? This reinforces my conviction that so many Rabbis today are just - shall we say - not on a higher level.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on November 26, 2006, 09:44:23 PM
guys stop judging things based on emotions etc. people here arent experts, if you want to know the truth and follow it then go ask your local Rabbi ( one that follows real Halaha) ( expecially if he knows you well). Their are things a Rabbi might say to 1 person is okay and to another its not, their might be different situations for diff. people, and you cant say - you see this and that happened or I saw them do this or that , soo its okay , etc. p.s.- stop spending too much time on internet forums, and maybe spend a litlle more time in Beit Midrash, or just a place where you can study ( that goes for me too).
Rabbis made decrees for Jews because they saw and see that if one thing is allowed then people are going to break them and maybe go "all the way". if they would say that kissing allowed people would say then why not touching, and then they would say when not doing this and why not doing theat, when eventually their would be no more barriers or rules and where you have a society like the Western contries where people have sex with eachother, people are turning gay, and the next step is people having sex with animals ( oops it allready happened).
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: jdl4ever on November 26, 2006, 10:01:59 PM
This might shock people but from what I know touching is permitted;  only touching intimitely is prohibited by the Rambam (derech chivah).  The Ramban disagrees with the Rambam that it is biblically prohibited to touch intimitely and says this is a Rabbinical decree.  I found this out from a different torah forum and I need to investigate myself if it is true. 
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: genteelgentile on November 26, 2006, 10:19:09 PM
This is a really interesting discussion, but with all due respect, it kinda makes me glad I am not Jewish.  But I am  married anyhow, so whatever...
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: davkakach on November 26, 2006, 10:21:44 PM
This is a really interesting discussion, but with all due respect, it kinda makes me glad I am not Jewish.  But I am  married anyhow, so whatever...
It's a ____ job, but somebody's gotta do it.   ;)
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: davkakach on November 26, 2006, 10:30:29 PM
This is a really interesting discussion, but with all due respect, it kinda makes me glad I am not Jewish.  But I am  married anyhow, so whatever...

Well, I guess it's only fair you feel that way. After all, we Jews thank G-d every morning in 'Birkot Hashachar' for not making us goyim, gentiles. This is how the prayer literally translates.

However, in prayer books with English translation, it is usually seen as "Blessed are You…..for making me proud to fulfill my obligations as a Jew."

It's not particularly appropriate to shove this in a gentile's face, particularly a righteous gentile.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: jdl4ever on November 26, 2006, 10:39:32 PM
Don't insult the richeous gentiles!
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: genteelgentile on November 26, 2006, 10:39:51 PM
hahaha!!  I know this subject, and many other subjects discussed here in this forum are serious, but I also want to have FUN.  Also thanks Davkakach...
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: genteelgentile on November 26, 2006, 10:45:19 PM
and JDL4ever...  I am not insulted!!! (Should I Be???) ;D  I like to hear things like this; Many things about Judaism interest me, even though so many things go over my head!
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: GentileLady on November 27, 2006, 09:05:02 AM
This is a really interesting discussion, but with all due respect, it kinda makes me glad I am not Jewish.  But I am  married anyhow, so whatever...

Well, I guess it's only fair you feel that way. After all, we Jews thank G-d every morning in 'Birkot Hashachar' for not making us goyim, gentiles. This is how the prayer literally translates from Hebrew.

However, in prayer books with English translations, it is almost always seen as "Blessed are You…..for making me proud to fulfill my obligations as a Jew."

I'm not offended.  And I believe part of the morning blessing also says something like (please forgive me if I mess this up)......."Blessed art Thou for Thou has not made me a woman."  Some have suggested this is anti-woman...prime facie evidence of discrimination...blah, blah, blah........never pausing long enough to consider the possibility that this is a frank recognition that the observant woman has a more difficult job than a man.

My point is that righteous gentiles will not take offense, prefering instead to seek understanding of the real meaning of Judaism.  Please don't self-censor.  We'd like to understand.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: Scriabin on November 27, 2006, 11:07:15 AM
This is a really interesting discussion, but with all due respect, it kinda makes me glad I am not Jewish.  But I am  married anyhow, so whatever...

Well, I guess it's only fair you feel that way. After all, we Jews thank G-d every morning in 'Birkot Hashachar' for not making us goyim, gentiles. This is how the prayer literally translates from Hebrew.

However, in prayer books with English translations, it is almost always seen as "Blessed are You…..for making me proud to fulfill my obligations as a Jew."

I'm not offended.  And I believe part of the morning blessing also says something like (please forgive me if I mess this up)......."Blessed art Thou for Thou has not made me a woman."  Some have suggested this is anti-woman...prime facie evidence of discrimination...blah, blah, blah........never pausing long enough to consider the possibility that this is a frank recognition that the observant woman has a more difficult job than a man.

My point is that righteous gentiles will not take offense, prefering instead to seek understanding of the real meaning of Judaism.  Please don't self-censor.  We'd like to understand.

I am not Jewish, but after listening to Chaim and later Rabbi Kahane, I began to discover why Jews are such brilliant people:  

Judaism.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: GentileLady on November 27, 2006, 01:15:57 PM
This is a really interesting discussion, but with all due respect, it kinda makes me glad I am not Jewish.  But I am  married anyhow, so whatever...

Well, I guess it's only fair you feel that way. After all, we Jews thank G-d every morning in 'Birkot Hashachar' for not making us goyim, gentiles. This is how the prayer literally translates from Hebrew.

However, in prayer books with English translations, it is almost always seen as "Blessed are You…..for making me proud to fulfill my obligations as a Jew."

I'm not offended.  And I believe part of the morning blessing also says something like (please forgive me if I mess this up)......."Blessed art Thou for Thou has not made me a woman."  Some have suggested this is anti-woman...prime facie evidence of discrimination...blah, blah, blah........never pausing long enough to consider the possibility that this is a frank recognition that the observant woman has a more difficult job than a man.

My point is that righteous gentiles will not take offense, prefering instead to seek understanding of the real meaning of Judaism.  Please don't self-censor.  We'd like to understand.

I am not Jewish, but after listening to Chaim and later Rabbi Kahane, I began to discover why Jews are such brilliant people:  

Judaism.

Agreed.  I took a class in Jewish Law, Mishpat Ivri, and although it was very difficult,  I thoroughly enjoyed it.  It was personally enriching....not tested on the bar exam.......but very enriching.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: wonderfulgoy on November 27, 2006, 02:24:49 PM
I just don't know what to do with, or what to make of, women.

Now don't get me wrong, plenty of lustful young maidens walk past me, with their long hair, their seductive smiles, they wink and they thrust forward their supple cleavages for to seduce me; and I look, and behold, their flesh is like fresh milk, their breasts are like two mountains in a grand panoramic landscape, alike to peach-topped valleys of the most splendid kind.  And their rosy cheeks are like two smitten robin-redbreasts in a summer garden, dashing about between the trees as the sun shines down and radiates everything in a golden splendour.

And, behold, the young woman is like unto a comely apple in my sight; and how I long to pluck one from the tree, and sit down by the running river, and delight in all the secret fancies of the world!

Woman is like a Revelation from on High; in fact I suspect that G-d makes His angels manifest in the flesh through the white woman.

And as I type these words, tears fall down around my own cheeks, my pale, hollow cheeks, which are so gaunt by virtue of my concupiscences.

And the young woman - what do I do with her?  What do  I say to her?  She winks at me, and beckons my head to repose in her bosom; and she longs to stroke my head, and to wrap herself around me, and to take me into another world - into another galaxy, to mine new planets and colonize new empires, to make new life, to make the stars shine on my account - but, how now?

Woman confuses me.

Yacov Menashe wrote about the girl he met who had many boyfriends.  You see, women need you for specific things at specific times - and if you play Mr Nice, you don't cut the mustard.

Women demand that you be a man - women don't care for religion as such - which is why woman, above all else, tempts man to life, to life eternal, to a million different wars for a billion different ways to say, 'I love you' ... and Satan himself smiles, and knows that between a woman's legs is the most potent incentive to life known to man, he knows the woman's seductive power, and he lures man into sensual pleasures and away from G-d ... even as a man is estranged from his parents by virtue of his conquest of women, yea, even so is man estranged from his Heavenly Father by virtue of Satan's fruits, viz, the incomparable beauty, splendour, comfort, of woman ... woman is a High Holy Angel, but also a seductress, a comely one yet also an enigma, I so long for woman, and maybe woman longs for me, but what do I say to her? ... Hashem loves me, and He refuses to let me have what I so deeply desire, which is woman, which is the warmth of her body, to lie with her and dream with her, to become a devil in sheep's clothing ... my concupiscences make a castrato out of me, I sing and I lament for the delight of other's ears ... yet I waste away and pine for lack of woman ... woman!  Oh hear, ye angels!  How could G-d have put such a thing on this Earth, the Earth was not worthy of the day woman was made!

Ah, woman!  Heaven forbid such impenetrable mystery, such sweet savour, such LIFE!
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: Daniel on November 27, 2006, 02:55:02 PM
I think that Chaim should check out Frumster and JDate. I've already encountered some women who share his views. I think he could find someone on one of these sites, someone who is of childbearing age.

Daniel
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: MarZutra on November 27, 2006, 03:07:00 PM
Would it not be logical for perhaps seeking the advice of a Rabbi within an Orthodox community.  Rabbis are very good at match making or putting the word out within a spiders web of communities for Jewish Marriages.  Perhaps Chaim might try this?  I do know my Lubavitch Rabbi has no problem with assisting in this area. 
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: genteelgentile on November 27, 2006, 09:19:49 PM
And this brings the discussion back full circle.  I just hope that when it comes down to it, Chaim is happy, or at least satisfied how his life is.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: adam613 on November 27, 2006, 10:07:39 PM
I just wanted to jump in on the comment of the blessing thank g-d for not making me a nonjew, thank g-d for not making me a women, and thank g-d for not making me a slave.

First of all, these are Rabbinic blessings and not biblical one's and since we say Rabbi's today are far from perfect even back them I'm sure they had a few flaws.

Second of all, I am a Yisrael and not a Cohen. A Cohen is at a higher level then a yisrael. How come a Cohen doesn't say a blessing thank g-d for not making me a Yisrael.  To be honest, I think the reason is because some of the Rabbi's who made these blessings were not Cohen's and they could not make a blessing that put themselves in a bad light. But since there were no women and nonjews deciding what blessings to make they had no problem making a blessing thank you for not making me a nonjew and thank you for not making me a women. Even if it was true (and I don't know if it is especially men and women from the same nation or tribe) I honestly don't think you make a blessing like this out loud and it is questionable whose role is more important. This again is especially true with men and women. Men can want children all they want if women don't want to fulfill their role there will be no children.

In terms of dating Frumster has it's problems. Chaim would have to do it all alone as the people working there are not helpful at all. The women that is suppose to help is another feminist and if you complain to her about not being concerned about the guys she will tell you that you need endless therapy. That is what she told me when I complained. And that I hate women.

There also is Saw You at Sinai which also has it's problems but there are some checks and balances in their system although the people running it some of them are not helpful but at least you have many different matchmakers on the site.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: kahaneloyalist on November 27, 2006, 10:11:07 PM
Those brachos are a requirment to  be said to this day, and the reason we have these Brachot is that men (and Jews) have more Mitzvos and while this means more difficulty it also gives us more oppurtunity to be close to Hashem.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: adam613 on November 27, 2006, 10:26:33 PM
So a Cohen has more Mitzvahs (obligations) then a Yisrael (Noncohen) does. I am not a Cohen and certain obligations don't apply to me. How come a Cohen doesn't say a blessing thank you for not making me a Yisrael. He has more mitzvahs then a Yisrael. Please answer that.

My reasoning again is these are RABBINIC BLESSINGS. They are not biblical. And the Rabbi's didn't want to make a bracha that made themselves look bad since I am sure some of them were not Cohen's. That is why a Cohen does not say a blessing  thank you for not making me a Yisrael even though a Cohen has more Mitzvahs (obligations) and is considered more holy then a Yisrael is.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: Yochanan on December 05, 2006, 10:57:59 AM
There are good Rabbis who do a lot of work in this area. What about a Shidduch, after all Chaim has quite a broad selection criteria and am sure it will not as much of an issue finding someone as at first glance.

I live in London and know a good Shidduch. They are righteous and frum people who delight in this mitzvah. Her husband is a Talmud chacham and a mohel.

If required I can find their telephone number for Chaim. There are a lot of women who are either divorced or widowed and still of childbearing age. I am sure there has to be one for Chaim. B'ezrat HaShem - hazlacha Chaim!
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: kahaneloyalist on December 05, 2006, 07:33:46 PM
adam, one of the Mitzvos is to obey the great Sanhedrin in any generation, those Brachot were enacted by the Sanhedrin. YOu are correct in that they are not from Hashem in fact only a very few Brachot are.

So we must obey in this regard whether or not we like their rulings
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: adam613 on December 05, 2006, 10:51:21 PM
I guess so, Kahaneloyalist, although I would think not dong something is different then lets say marrying multiple wives which the Rabbi's prohibited at a certain point and whether we agree or not we have to obey it.

I was just saying that, yes, we are suppose to obey the sanhedrin but we shouldn't overanalysis a bracha that was made by man and not by g-d. And, yes, these blessing (not making me a women, non-jew, or slave) I don't agree with even though they were made by the Sanhedrin which we are suppose to obey even though we may disagree.
Title: Re: Are they any women of childbearing age who appreciate Chaim's sacrifices?
Post by: adam613 on December 05, 2006, 11:03:09 PM
>There are good Rabbis who do a lot of work in this area. What about a Shidduch, after all Chaim has quite a broad selection criteria and am sure it will not as much of an issue finding someone as at first glance.

I know Chaim is very busy and at least I think it would help the cause if Chaim was married. A lot of men don't want to sacrifice because they feel they are giving up being able to be married and have some kind of family if they take too many risks. I also think some may respect Chaim more if he were married. (I guess people would respect me if I were married but that it is a whole other story.) Yeah, Chaim is almost 50 but like I said if some golddigger of 30 women marries that creep Rupert Murdoch who is 70 and had 4 children from 2 other marriages by the way, just because he has money I would think someone sooner or later would take the bad (that Chaim is almost 50 although he g- d willing has many many years left with the very good (that he is responsible for the freedom of soviet Jewry.) At least that is my view although I haven't asked Chaim but I know he has said that he regrets that he has never been married.