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Title: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 14, 2012, 09:03:51 PM
I believe that this wasn't just some lone nut. I think that the left wingers are setting the groundwork for banning guns. There's been a lot of these shootings lately. The Batman premiere, the mall shooting, and now the sacrifice of all these innocent children. It's just all too convenient for the Obama administration. Yes, communists really are that evil. The fact that the guy had a history of mental illness and was still free to do harm to people can also be blamed on liberals because they're the ones that shut down a lot of the asylums.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 14, 2012, 11:00:52 PM
I got the same feeling Ruby! This is what happens when you take G-d out of the picture, they have taken G-d out of our schools, they have taken him out of our country! Not to sound crazy, but I would not be surprised if they are not drugging people up and convincing them to do things!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 14, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
All night long they have been showing, all the shootings since bla bla... propaganda!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 14, 2012, 11:15:21 PM
Another thing, if  just one teacher had a gun, maybe it could have been ended before all of those innocent children died!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: The Noachide on December 14, 2012, 11:26:16 PM
I disagree. There are crazy retards in this world
The homicide rate in the US is higher than many countries in the world. Doesn't get worse than hoodlums and muslims.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 14, 2012, 11:34:45 PM
I disagree. There are crazy retards in this world
The homicide rate in the US is higher than many countries in the world. Doesn't get worse than hoodlums and muslims.
True, but where are the highest rates? Where they have the strictest gun laws!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 14, 2012, 11:47:45 PM
Leave it to the liberals to make guns illegal yet let Iran get nuclear bombs and give Egyptian nazis f22 jet fighters....what morons.  They are wrong about everything.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 15, 2012, 12:02:01 AM
I believe that this wasn't just some lone nut. I think that the left wingers are setting the groundwork for banning guns. There's been a lot of these shootings lately. The Batman premiere, the mall shooting, and now the sacrifice of all these innocent children. It's just all too convenient for the Obama administration. Yes, communists really are that evil. The fact that the guy had a history of mental illness and was still free to do harm to people can also be blamed on liberals because they're the ones that shut down a lot of the asylums.
Yes, you are right. At a minimum they are at fault through their inaction. They are on this constant jihad against guns and against any form of deterrent like the death penalty (or even life in prison/in a mental institution), but they are constantly trying to shove compassion and mercy towards scum of the earth down our throats. Then, when one of their darling monsters goes berzerk, it's the "right-wing"'s fault for being "intolerant" and supporting the Second Amendment. It's a win-win situation for them.

Of course the only thing that might deter these creatures would be a universally carrying public, but the left would rather kill their own mothers (no pun intended in this case) than agree to such a thing.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: CorrieDeservedIt on December 15, 2012, 12:18:35 AM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.

Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on December 15, 2012, 12:26:20 AM
that's what I've been thinking too.
looks like a lot of us agree.
and if we agree any more, them commies are going to shut us down.
the red scum will do anything for ABSOLUTE CONTROL.
they got rid of joe McCarthy, they pretended to have been destroyed along with ussr after the cold war.
communism=lies
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on December 15, 2012, 12:30:14 AM
one other thing that bothers me here.
these aren't liberals. these are communists.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: AsheDina on December 15, 2012, 03:23:34 AM
I got the same feeling Ruby! This is what happens when you take G-d out of the picture, they have taken G-d out of our schools, they have taken him out of our country! Not to sound crazy, but I would not be surprised if they are not drugging people up and convincing them to do things!

That is EXACTLY it.

The SLIMEY PIG, Obama--Jew hating, Christian hating, Israel hating scum has created this atmosphere of EVIL.

I wrote about it:
http://themadjewess.com/2012/12/15/obama-crying-over-ct-shooting-hes-the-one-who-said-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: AsheDina on December 15, 2012, 03:26:10 AM
one other thing that bothers me here.
these aren't liberals. these are communists.

Yep
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: AsheDina on December 15, 2012, 03:27:40 AM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.

I dont believe that is very nice to say to RubyStars.  She does not say things unless she has really thought it out.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 15, 2012, 03:34:23 AM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.
You can politely disagree without saying "this makes me sick". JTF is a place to say politically incorrect truths, not be afraid of what others think.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on December 15, 2012, 04:17:34 AM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.


You don't seem to really disagree.
I don't think ruby means it literally. Such as some commie going over to some mental retard and telling him to go shoot them up.
Commies are VERY GOOD LIARS! They always hide behind different groups. Such as unions, ethnic or racial groups, etc...

For example: think of two chickens in a box and a guy above with a stick. The two dumb chickens fight each other instead of the real problem.
Imagine millions of chickens and a minority of devious instigators.
We need to remove the instigators - the kkkommunists.

Once we break the smoke and mirrors, we see the real enemy. And the enemy can be handled swiftly.

The real problem isn't this shooter or the millions of illegals flooding our borders or negroes or the economy. Those can easily be solved once we remove the fox.



Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: christians4jews on December 15, 2012, 04:34:20 AM
is there a profile on this guy??is he an atheist??
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: cjd on December 15, 2012, 05:46:03 AM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.
It's a situation that causes people to be reactionary in their evaluation of just what took place there... Liberals and progressives don't need to stage things like this they just need to sit back and wait... "Never let a good crisis go to waste"...  In the past 20 or 30 years they have closed a good portion of mental hospitals and people who would normally be behind locked doors years ago are out and about... From the confusion in all the reporting yesterday one thing seemed to be very clear and that was the fact that this nut had a history of mental illness... It's not the guns that killed yesterday it's the system that allows people like that to walk the same streets as them little school children did... From the little I could get out of the jumble of facts coming out of the news reports yesterday the guns seemed to be registered to his mom... People having guns like that need to have gun vaults in their home to keep that sort of fire power out of the wrong hands... The fact that the mother had a very sick son makes something like that even more needed... People owning high capacity guns like that should not be able to sell them through private sales... Sales like that should need to go through a registered gun broker who has the ability to run background checks on the guns prospective purchaser... The correct fix would be to get some of the crazy people off the streets but it seems that when people like that finally go off they are all to well prepared with high powered firearms that most normal people would not think of owning... I went to a school function the other night for my young niece and was unusually ill at ease sitting in the large auditorium after the mall shooting that took place the other day... The economy is pushing many people to the edge and sadly when they do go off it's usually in some sort of killing spree like we saw yesterday... Clearly something needs to be adjusted in the system... Getting the sick people off the streets would do far more that banning the weapons of choice however liberals will rather remove gun ownership rights from normal Americans and still have nut jobs like this out and roaming around.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: GreenLightToGo on December 15, 2012, 06:29:49 AM
I believe that this wasn't just some lone nut. I think that the left wingers are setting the groundwork for banning guns. There's been a lot of these shootings lately. The Batman premiere, the mall shooting, and now the sacrifice of all these innocent children. It's just all too convenient for the Obama administration. Yes, communists really are that evil.

None of the terrible things that come from the Obama administration surprise me, but I'll still treat them as innocent until proven guilty here.

I would support raising taxes to improve security at schools, but not stricter gun laws.  (I know raising taxes isn't normally considered to be a right-wing position, but I'd support it here.)
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: cjd on December 15, 2012, 07:07:15 AM
None of the terrible things that come from the Obama administration surprise me, but I'll still treat them as innocent until proven guilty here.

I would support raising taxes to improve security at schools, but not stricter gun laws.  (I know raising taxes isn't normally considered to be a right-wing position, but I'd support it here.)
Most school districts here in the northeast are very well funded as it is and if they just followed some simple security measures that are already in place it would be half the battle... My sister often complains about rear exit doors left propped open unattended at her child's school because the hall got a bit too hot and stuffy.... It's been many many moons since I saw the inside of a classroom from the students position but even back then I remember most teachers locking the door so it could only be opened from the inside going out... It can never be made completely foolproof but simple measures like that might really cut down on the amount of people being killed or injured.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 15, 2012, 07:18:11 AM
Another thing, if  just one teacher had a gun, maybe it could have been ended before all of those innocent children died!

Great point! I was thinking the same last night.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 15, 2012, 07:21:36 AM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I see a lot of patterns and maybe that's just how my mind works. I didn't mean to make you or anybody else feel sick and I mean no disrespect to the victims or their families. If nothing else, look how the left does jump on every opportunity to pursue their agenda. If we don't do the same then we will lose. It may not be the way we want to play the game but if we don't learn some things from them (and over the last several decades they've been VERY successful in furthering their causes) then we will keep on losing.

Think of it this way. As CJD pointed out, we have a lot of nutjobs out on the street that if conservatives had been in charge, would've been locked up to keep society safe. Also think about the fact that so many people are on mind altering drugs for this reason or that reason. Could he have been taking an SSRI? It's liberals that tell people that you need to take drugs to feel good all the time and think things like being depressed over something sad in your life means you need a pill.

I knew somebody who was close to retirement, they had gone through some really hard times at their work place because the company was trying to get rid of them and replace them with someone younger. He told his doctor he'd been feeling really down about it and the doctor offered him an antidepressant. I told him "Look, you're depressed for a reason, going through this, you're supposed to be depressed, that's normal and healthy, you don't need a pill". Thankfully logic prevailed and of course, he felt better when his circumstances were better. He wasn't in any danger of suicide, etc. but that stupid doctor was pushing a pill on him anyway that could alter and unbalance his brain chemistry and cause suicidal thoughts.

I wonder if some of these people who have "a history of mental illness" might have started out relatively normal but then gotten screwed up by the drugs.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: mord on December 15, 2012, 08:09:13 AM
A few days ago in Oregon a person went on a shooting spree.I have no doubt this is a govt plot.Believe me the govt has the means to this and the will.They can put prompts into gaming  which will effect marginal personalities to kill.They don't care who does it as long as it furthers their aims
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rational Jew on December 15, 2012, 08:41:19 AM
I have no doubt it was done by leftist extremists who would wish to sacrifice innocent chidlren's blood in order to establish gun control.
(http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/guncontrol.jpg)
Right now, I'm predicting David Douce recording an upcoming video blaming the school shootings on "zionists"  :laugh:
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: syyuge on December 15, 2012, 10:20:55 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4699332/newtown-school-gunman-adam-lanza-a-loner.html
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: AsheDina on December 15, 2012, 12:13:22 PM
I have no doubt it was done by leftist extremists who would wish to sacrifice innocent chidlren's blood in order to establish gun control.
(http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/guncontrol.jpg)
Right now, I'm predicting David Douce recording an upcoming video blaming the school shootings on "zionists"  :laugh:

He already has some of his morons blaming the Jewish people for what happened.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: NoMosqueHere on December 15, 2012, 09:24:55 PM
Why did this horror take place in an all white, affluent part of Connecticut that voted overwhelmingly for the jew hater obama?  Think about it.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: muman613 on December 15, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
Why did this horror take place in an all white, affluent part of Connecticut that voted overwhelmingly for the jew hater obama?  Think about it.

What BS this is.... My mother lives 20 minutes from where this happened. She did not vote for obama... I think this kind of thinking is a little messed up...

Im inclined to agree with corriedeservedit, that these kinds of threads make JTF look like a mental ward...
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: muman613 on December 15, 2012, 10:59:38 PM
I will admit that it has been a long term democratic policy of attempting to put controls on the sale and ownership of guns. This policy runs contrary to everything which this country stands for. A person is entitled to protect him or herself from those who want to do them harm. This is why the forefathers valued the personal possession of firearms. It is also essential to the ability to protect the country from foreign attacks (thus the language of the Bill of Rights which mentions the forming of militias). I believe any government which attempts to remove the right of a citizen to protect his family using any means necessary is a wicked government.

Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: The One and Only Mo on December 15, 2012, 11:11:26 PM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.
I concur with the sentiment that the title of the thread is scary. When I questioned the legitimacy of the 9/11 story, people here ripped me a new one. I can only hope that the story the media gives us regarding this shooting is a truthful as the the story that the media gave us regarding 9/11.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: syyuge on December 16, 2012, 10:31:51 AM
Fashion Island shooting: Gunman fires shots outside California mall:

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/16/fashion-island-shooting-gunman-fires-shots-outside-california-mall

Now even the toy guns may be under the fear of being banned.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 16, 2012, 11:15:39 AM
Interesting how all this is happening so close together. Syggue I think you may be on to something there. A lot of parents won't let their kids even have toy guns now either because they think it teaches them "violence". So I can see the government stepping in to say that parents are not ALLOWED to give their kids toy guns.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: syyuge on December 16, 2012, 11:40:08 AM
The socialism promotes the idea that only the KGB, state police and the people's red army shall have the weapons and otherwise even the children can not have the toy guns. The increasing shooting incidents are immensely unfortunate, but it will be a catastrophe if such incidents are used as tools for a total communist takeover.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Baltimore on December 16, 2012, 12:21:58 PM
The title of this thread is pretty embarrassing actually.  A conspiracy? Like a truther/9-11 conspiracy.  Come on. The liberals are taking FULL advantage of this situation and trying to take our guns away, BUT this was not a set up. There is a big difference between using a situation to promote an evil cause and creating a situation to promote an evil cause. The guy was insane and he did a horrible thing. Very simple explanation to a terrible tragedy that is now being exploited by gun grabbers.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 16, 2012, 12:37:52 PM
The title of this thread is pretty embarrassing actually.  A conspiracy? Like a truther/9-11 conspiracy.  Come on. The liberals are taking FULL advantage of this situation and trying to take our guns away, BUT this was not a set up. There is a big difference between using a situation to promote an evil cause and creating a situation to promote an evil cause. The guy was insane and he did a horrible thing. Very simple explanation to a terrible tragedy that is now being exploited by gun grabbers.

We can agree on one thing and that's that regardless of what caused this tragedy, the media is going to jump on it and use it to advance left wing causes.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: syyuge on December 16, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
We can agree on one thing and that's that regardless of what caused this tragedy, the media is going to jump on it and use it to advance left wing causes.

Yes!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 16, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
Although I don't think I'd go so far as saying this massacre was a set-up, I do agree that this administration is evil enough to do such a thing.  After all, they were willing to lie about Benghazi for political gain even when Americans were murdered.  By the way, if this thread makes anyone take JTF less seriously, you should just visit the bastions of sanity that are my threads and you'll realize that JTF is the place to be.


I can't prove it was a setup, but I believe it and some of the other shootings were. I know I will catch some flak for this viewpoint, but I think it's good to have some controversial threads on the forum anyway. Obviously nobody else is obligated to agree with me just because I post something. I've seen a mix of responses and gotten some messages from people who say they agree with me on this. I think it's good we can see different viewpoints being expressed in this thread because it shows a healthy forum with people saying what's on their mind. If anything it should cause people who find the thread provocative to want to participate.

We know that the federal government under Bush and Obama was arming Mexican criminals through Fast and Furious and its predecessor program. If I had said that I suspected that was going on before it was revealed, people might have said the same types of things to me, doubting, even saying I was making the forum look like an asylum, etc. but it was 100% true. I wish I had, at the time, had the foresight to infer that was going on. Maybe in time these kinds of things will come to light too.

I just flat out do not trust the government, especially at the federal level.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 16, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
A setup?  Doesn't seem to be any evidence of that.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 16, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
This was not a set up.  There are two tragedies at play.  Innocent people and children were killed.  The other tragedy is that American zombies are pushing for more gun control because of this.

Making guns illegal will empower criminals and cause crime to sky rocket.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 16, 2012, 10:13:47 PM
Making guns illegal will empower criminals and cause crime to sky rocket.

This is very true. It's also giving in to what the United Nations wants.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Sveta on December 16, 2012, 10:34:32 PM
I must disagree that this was a set up.

Mainly, society in general is become desensitized by violence. What used to me lonely depressed suicidal maniacs who would kill themselves how now become a quest to take others with them and become famous. They do become instant celebrities, hated celebrities but not some lonely suicidal loner. They die with others, what they didn't have in life, they feel they get in death.

These are sick, deranged and evil people. And the more the media shows it, the more some psycho kid right now in America is looking at the TV thinking that they are going to do that next.

So, I do not believe this was set up by anti-gun people. My greatest reason, however, is because I loath the conspiracy theorists. The same ones who say 9/11 was an inside job, the ones who say Israel did 9/11 along with Bush. The ones who say the Zionists control all the TV stations. How Bin Laden died of cancer a long time ago,  The conspiracy theories that I hate. When I look at people saying those conspiracy theories, I think about how stupid or brainwashed they are. Many of those jerks are the severely low IQ morons from Pakistan or other countries who come up with those ridiculous theories, but also in the US we have plenty of those "Dale Gribble" types.

 I would not want to be like them but adding to more conspiracy theories.

What happened now is that a sick, deranged man saw the news of the Batman shooter, the Virginia Tech shootings, the Columbine shootings and he wanted to make a name for himself.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Secularbeliever on December 16, 2012, 11:03:06 PM
I'm sorry with all due respect this thread makes me sick.
Are the liberals out to take away gun rights? Yes. But a set up no.
If anything it proves how sick an opportunistic they are , to jump on a tragic case like this and use it for THEIR agenda.

But coming on this forum and reading a thread like this is a real turn off and makes jtf look like a mental asylum.

I agree that it is more likely opportunism than some kind of repeat of the Reichstag fire.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 16, 2012, 11:36:04 PM
I don't know if this particular shooting was a setup, but something about the reporting and everything seem to be really fake and disconnected. It seemed more like a reality show. Some of these incidents could have been easily set up by the government like the loan shooter shooting at the White House, really? Our government has given fully automatic weapons to the drug cartels, our government has let our own people die in Benghazi! You have no idea what they will do!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 16, 2012, 11:39:42 PM
I don't know if this particular shooting was a setup, but something about the reporting and everything seem to be really fake and disconnected. It seemed more like a reality show. Some of these incidents could have been easily set up by the government like the loan shooter shooting at the White House, really? Our government has given fully automatic weapons to the drug cartels, our government has let our own people die in Benghazi! You have no idea what they will do!

Good points Ephraim. We do have proven examples of the federal government arming bad guys and aiding bad guys. I would like to think that we could trust them to look out for us, to be on our side, but we can't. It's naive to think that the US government is something to be trusted. Obama just declared that he's going to use all the power of his office to fix this problem. A problem that was created by left wing policies to begin with (at best) through letting crazies out into the streets and drugging them up and the left wing creating a very immoral society. And perhaps there was a literal setup too. It can't be proven but I suspect it very much.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: AsheDina on December 17, 2012, 10:40:22 AM
What BS this is.... My mother lives 20 minutes from where this happened. She did not vote for obama... I think this kind of thinking is a little messed up...

Im inclined to agree with corriedeservedit, that these kinds of threads make JTF look like a mental ward...

Muman, Commies set things up to take from people.
Look at BHO for one eg
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: syyuge on December 17, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
This is not a set up, but if the guns get controlled then this is the fire of reichstag.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: HiWarp on December 17, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
Stop falling for the progressive BS. They don't care about your safety, only furthering their agenda. Want proof? Okay.

Year Clinton assault weapon ban went into affect: 1994
Year of Columbine mass shooting: 1999

And yet, over the past dew days, you've heard nothing but a call to ban assault weapons. So, the conclusion is either that they are stupid and don't realize that a ban would not prevent something like this or they have an agenda and see this as a perfect opportunity to further it. I'll let you all decide which it is.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 17, 2012, 01:36:08 PM
Stop falling for the progressive BS. They don't care about your safety, only furthering their agenda. Want proof? Okay.

Year Clinton assault weapon ban went into affect: 1994
Year of Columbine mass shooting: 1999

And yet, over the past dew days, you've heard nothing but a call to ban assault weapons. So, the conclusion is either that they are stupid and don't realize that a ban would not prevent something like this or they have an agenda and see this as a perfect opportunity to further it. I'll let you all decide which it is.

Excellent post
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 17, 2012, 08:53:41 PM
I don't know if this particular shooting was a setup, but something about the reporting and everything seem to be really fake and disconnected. It seemed more like a reality show. Some of these incidents could have been easily set up by the government like the loan shooter shooting at the White House, really? Our government has given fully automatic weapons to the drug cartels, our government has let our own people die in Benghazi! You have no idea what they will do!

These people really lost their chiildren and family members. There's nothing fake or disconnected about that.  None of them are faking.  All the rest is just noise.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 17, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
Good points Ephraim. We do have proven examples of the federal government arming bad guys and aiding bad guys. I would like to think that we could trust them to look out for us, to be on our side, but we can't. It's naive to think that the US government is something to be trusted. Obama just declared that he's going to use all the power of his office to fix this problem. A problem that was created by left wing policies to begin with (at best) through letting crazies out into the streets and drugging them up and the left wing creating a very immoral society. And perhaps there was a literal setup too. It can't be proven but I suspect it very much.

Wouldn't it require at least a little bit of evidence in order to suspect something?  If there is no evidence of something but you suspect it anyway, isn't that just a reflection of your own biases?

Even the "circumstantial" stuff you cite is flimsy at best (and that is being generous) but there certainly isn't any real evidence at this point.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 17, 2012, 09:07:34 PM
I know, and I feel really really bad for the famiies and all the people involved! Something about the broadcast and the media seemed really fake and unnatural!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 17, 2012, 09:10:56 PM
Excellent post

Hiwarp did make good points, but none of his points suggest a setup.   Politicians live to promote their agenda and shnorr for votes at all times.  They don't have to make things happen.  Things happen all the time in a country of 300 million people.  But they will use those events for their own benefit.  (And his other possibility: politicians, especially the demagogues could very well be uninformed or misinformed).  None of this requires setups.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: HiWarp on December 18, 2012, 08:03:01 AM
Hiwarp did make good points, but none of his points suggest a setup.   Politicians live to promote their agenda and shnorr for votes at all times.  They don't have to make things happen.  Things happen all the time in a country of 300 million people.  But they will use those events for their own benefit.  (And his other possibility: politicians, especially the demagogues could very well be uninformed or misinformed).  None of this requires setups.

I don't believe this is a setup just like I don't believe any other mass killings are a setup. I believe that there are two kinds of politicians when it comes to something like this. There are the politicians that are reactionary and feel like they need to do something. They typically are misinformed and don't consider whether their proposed solution will help, hurt, or do nothing. Instead they think that speaking out, and passing legislation shows they care and that this will eventually lead to more votes. Then there are the politicians with an agenda that DO look at a crisis as a way to promote their agenda.

Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: GreenLightToGo on December 18, 2012, 08:54:57 AM
Then there are the politicians with an agenda that DO look at a crisis as a way to promote their agenda.

I think Obama falls under this criteria.  He wants to disarm the American people to achieve the kind of government described before the semicolon in your signature.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 18, 2012, 09:12:55 AM
Hiwarp did make good points, but none of his points suggest a setup.   Politicians live to promote their agenda and shnorr for votes at all times.  They don't have to make things happen.  Things happen all the time in a country of 300 million people.  But they will use those events for their own benefit.  (And his other possibility: politicians, especially the demagogues could very well be uninformed or misinformed).  None of this requires setups.

This thread has been pretty active with people debating so I count that as a success for the forum. I don't think it can be demonstrated one way or another to be true. All I did was post an opinion. Whether it's actually true or not, I don't know.

You have a good point too about the way that politicians exploit bad situations.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 18, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Wouldn't it require at least a little bit of evidence in order to suspect something?  If there is no evidence of something but you suspect it anyway, isn't that just a reflection of your own biases?

Even the "circumstantial" stuff you cite is flimsy at best (and that is being generous) but there certainly isn't any real evidence at this point.

I suspect it because these kinds of shootings have seemed to suddenly increase in frequency, at the same time the UN is putting more pressure on the USA to disarm its citizens and when we have a president who is more likely to be compliant to those wishes. This is all circumstantial of course. Maybe I just have a suspicious nature.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 18, 2012, 10:42:40 AM
Btw did u see obama wiping away fake "tears" that weren't there?  What a fraud.

I also read in one news report that 2 white house staffers "held hands" during that speech.  Wtf?  Lol.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 18, 2012, 11:28:12 AM
I think the only reason why shootings have increased is because the media has brought it up extensively.  And by making a huge deal about these shootings, it has encouraged sick sick people to want to do something like that in order to become famous in their warped minds.

You give too much attention to something, more people will want to get that attention. 

This was not a set up by any government agency...there is no conspiracy here.  Quite simply, the politicians are trying to cash in on this tragedy to take away our freedoms and to give them more power.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 18, 2012, 07:48:46 PM
This media coverage is just killing me, they're doing a really good job convincing people to ban guns.

I would like to say... many law enforcement, military, and martial artists, if they wanted to. Could easily go in to a school barricade a door, kill a teacher, and kill a majority of the children with their bare hands, before the police even got there.

 What are they going to do, cut everyones arms off...
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 19, 2012, 08:55:48 AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/barack-obama-to-announce-guns-task-force-85293.html
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 19, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
Btw did u see obama wiping away fake "tears" that weren't there?  What a fraud.

I also read in one news report that 2 white house staffers "held hands" during that speech.  Wtf?  Lol.

Well we always knew Obama wasn't going to cry real tears over dead white kids.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 19, 2012, 09:12:54 AM
Here's a thought experiment for everyone. Imagine saying "The politicians and government officials want to help me, they want the best for me, they are good guys, they want to do something to make my life better. They're good people who care about me."  If you can get that far into the thought experiment without laughing or realizing that all those statements are BS...  then you trust government a lot more than I do.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: BritishSword on December 19, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
I could go with it being a set up.
  The minute I saw the headline in yahoo news I thought there have been too many of these in too short a space of time. It does seem to benefit gun control loons more than anyone else.
  Its not unusual for the CIA to use crazy people to get done what they want to be done.
Didn't the killer shoot himself at the end, so he won't be able to shed any light on the matter... how inconvenient.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 19, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
I could go with it being a set up.
  The minute I saw the headline in yahoo news I thought there have been too many of these in too short a space of time. It does seem to benefit gun control loons more than anyone else.
  Its not unusual for the CIA to use crazy people to get done what they want to be done.
Didn't the killer shoot himself at the end, so he won't be able to shed any light on the matter... how inconvenient.

Some of the witnesses say there was more than one shooter, just like in the theater situation.  However in both cases only one person was brought forward as the bad guy.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 19, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
I could go with it being a set up.
  The minute I saw the headline in yahoo news I thought there have been too many of these in too short a space of time. It does seem to benefit gun control loons more than anyone else.
  Its not unusual for the CIA to use crazy people to get done what they want to be done.
Didn't the killer shoot himself at the end, so he won't be able to shed any light on the matter... how inconvenient.

Um ok, but there are survivors (wounded) and eyewitnesses.    Is there even a single person who is saying the assailant wasn't this guy?    Or even one who is saying there were additional shooters that they saw shoot?
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 19, 2012, 09:37:35 PM
Some of the witnesses say there was more than one shooter, just like in the theater situation.  However in both cases only one person was brought forward as the bad guy.

Actually, a witness I saw said that he saw a guy getting booked by the cops.  I have yet to see anyone say they saw someone else shooting.   And I would like to know how that makes it a setup?    It could be they wrongfully arrested an adult during the chaos when he wasn't a shooter. 

Even if you assume the absolute worst that there was a second guy and they are hiding it, what is their motive?   Do you honestly believe an entire police force would be in on this?   Obviously they would all have to go along if that's really the reason why we are not hearing about the second guy.     Not one single person in the entire force including the arresting officer would cry foul if there was a setup and coverup?    Impossible to believe.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 19, 2012, 09:42:16 PM
I would like to say, it is very suspicious! All of these attacks since Obama has been president? I would also like to add, there's also been a lot of foiled terrorist attacks, how do we know these are not being set up, to make it look like we're fighting terrorism?
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 19, 2012, 09:52:55 PM
I would like to say, it is very suspicious! All of these attacks since Obama has been president? I would also like to add, there's also been a lot of foiled terrorist attacks, how do we know these are not being set up, to make it look like we're fighting terrorism?

 What? America (and really the world) almost always had crazy people who went on murdering. This news unfortunately is not news.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 19, 2012, 10:04:51 PM
What? America (and really the world) almost always had crazy people who went on murdering. This news unfortunately is not news.
What, you don't think this seems like propaganda from the administration? Yes I agree, maybe the Obama regime is just publicizing more of these instances! 
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 19, 2012, 10:24:43 PM
What, you don't think this seems like propaganda from the administration? Yes I agree, maybe the Obama regime is just publicizing more of these instances!

Even though there were several this year, the rate has been flat over the long term.   There is not an increase.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 19, 2012, 10:37:04 PM
Even though there were several this year, the rate has been flat over the long term.   There is not an increase.
Ok, let's say it has been the the same... then why is it being publicized so much? To further the agenda of the administration! What about the attacks with in the White House yard, don't they have secret service?
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 19, 2012, 10:40:07 PM
Ok, let's say it has been the the same... then why is it being publicized so much? To further the agenda of the administration! What about the attacks with in the White House yard, don't they have secret service?

 Dude relax. I think you are being paranoid. With all due respect their is really nothing new or much different. Just don't watch the news + now their is the internet to add to it. It is just the times and not the incident in particular.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 19, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
Dude relax. I think you are being paranoid. With all due respect their is really nothing new or much different. Just don't watch the news + now their is the internet to add to it. It is just the times and not the incident in particular.
I'm NOT upset! I just find the news to be very odd and upside down lately!
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 19, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
The media and the politicians in their opportunist reactions to this tragedy have disgusted me possibly more than ever before.  I can't stand to hear another word from these people.   It's totally sick, and it is shameless.  They don't even try to pretend to be objective.    They don't cite facts, they don't cite studies.  Absolutely nothing about what they say is rational based or logic-based or evidence based.    And the minute someone dares to approach citing something empirical, it immediately devolves into personal attack and shameless emotionally provocative posturing yet again. 

"Are you saying that people should have automatic weapons to mow down children!?    How can you argue this, we are absolutely right and you are not only wrong but immoral.  Take your facts and shove them."    That is the childish reply given by the media to a fact-based point.     
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 19, 2012, 11:07:34 PM
In one shot, a pipe bomb could have done close to the same amount of damage! Okay, no pipe sales in the U.S.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 20, 2012, 06:49:13 AM
This was not a set up guys....  Seriously
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 20, 2012, 08:38:19 AM
Actually, a witness I saw said that he saw a guy getting booked by the cops.  I have yet to see anyone say they saw someone else shooting.   And I would like to know how that makes it a setup?    It could be they wrongfully arrested an adult during the chaos when he wasn't a shooter. 

Even if you assume the absolute worst that there was a second guy and they are hiding it, what is their motive?   Do you honestly believe an entire police force would be in on this?   Obviously they would all have to go along if that's really the reason why we are not hearing about the second guy.     Not one single person in the entire force including the arresting officer would cry foul if there was a setup and coverup?    Impossible to believe.

No I thought some of the witnesses had reported a second shooter actually shooting but this person would have had to have disappeared before the police showed up if that were the case because you're right, most police would never go along with anything like that because most police are good people.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: BritishSword on December 21, 2012, 07:30:47 AM
, most police would never go along with anything like that because most police are good people.

Well I have to say thats not been my experience in Britain. However it is far-fetched to suppose the ENTIRE force would be in on something.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: HiWarp on December 21, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
Ok, let's say it has been the the same... then why is it being publicized so much? To further the agenda of the administration! What about the attacks with in the White House yard, don't they have secret service?

Because the amount of coverage and the level of outrage is directly proportional to the number of people killed and inversely proportional to the age of the victims, that's why. There were a large number of young children killed.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: Rubystars on December 21, 2012, 08:32:31 AM
Well I have to say thats not been my experience in Britain. However it is far-fetched to suppose the ENTIRE force would be in on something.

I don't think the police would be the bad guys most of the time here and I don't think there would be even 1 in 10,000 cops that would do anything to help a child killer. There are some bad individual police but not a whole force like you said.
Title: Re: The school shooting was a set up
Post by: The One and Only Mo on December 21, 2012, 10:28:45 AM
I hate to be "that guy", but this thread is starting to scare me.