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SAN FRANCISCO (JTA) n An Orthodox feminist group will train counselors to discuss sex with prospective brides and grooms.
The Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA) is recruiting 10 kallah teachers, women who teach betrothed Orthodox women about Jewish marriage law, for a course in which they will learn how to talk openly about sex.
I for one would never attend that :-\
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it depends where and what age and on the parents.
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it depends where and what age and on the parents.
What are do you mean? This is teaching the couple just before they get married, so they will be adults.
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Only if it is a righteous sex ed. O0 Sex at an adult age and sex at marriage. If those don't want to get married then an adult consent between that one person is ok imo. not between multiple people like polygamy or swinging or any of that other nonsense.
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My sex ed in highschool didn't teach me how to do sex. I first guessed how it was done when i was 8 years old and was verified when i was 12 when i accidently came across a porno video.
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
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Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
So you are saying you can do what ever you like, as long as its behind closed doors and no one sees?
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
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Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
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In response to your second statement, why is that?
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SAN FRANCISCO (JTA) n An Orthodox feminist group will train counselors to discuss sex with prospective brides and grooms.
The Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA) is recruiting 10 kallah teachers, women who teach betrothed Orthodox women about Jewish marriage law, for a course in which they will learn how to talk openly about sex.
I for one would never attend that :-\
Why do you think that course would be bad?
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
These are matters for (believe it or not) a Rav to consider (ideally, but you can also decide this yourself), where it depends on one's level of religious observance, the couple's expectations, and how it relates to shalom bayith. We are supposed to follow the Shulhan Aruch, but if we cannot due to the circumstances, a person has what to rely on. And like I said, there are certain things that all opinions agree must be kept, and you will find these out when you are one day engaged to someone. Once you know the laws, you can make a more educated decision. The "privacy of the home" thing just justifies sodomy, so better to be informed and educated.
As for Taharath haMishpaha, this is a must, not in the least sense an option. I'm glad you are willing to take these laws on. Nevertheless, if one is finding it too difficult, he DEFINETLY should consult a reliable orthodox Rav who can better understand the situation and find a way to fix it.
thank you
I will simply say, I will not have sex with my wife (or anyone) when she is menstruating...but hopefully just my wife...
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Only if it is a righteous sex ed. O0 Sex at an adult age and sex at marriage. If those don't want to get married then an adult consent between that one person is ok imo. not between multiple people like polygamy or swinging or any of that other nonsense.
That sums up my response.
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
These are matters for (believe it or not) a Rav to consider (ideally, but you can also decide this yourself), where it depends on one's level of religious observance, the couple's expectations, and how it relates to shalom bayith. We are supposed to follow the Shulhan Aruch, but if we cannot due to the circumstances, a person has what to rely on. And like I said, there are certain things that all opinions agree must be kept, and you will find these out when you are one day engaged to someone. Once you know the laws, you can make a more educated decision. The "privacy of the home" thing just justifies sodomy, so better to be informed and educated.
As for Taharath haMishpaha, this is a must, not in the least sense an option. I'm glad you are willing to take these laws on. Nevertheless, if one is finding it too difficult, he DEFINETLY should consult a reliable orthodox Rav who can better understand the situation and find a way to fix it.
thank you
I will simply say, I will not have sex with my wife (or anyone) when she is menstruating...but hopefully just my wife...
There's a lot more to Nidda than that.
And another thing, that several people don't seem to be getting. Everything is G-d's business. You are always before the King of Kings, and must conduct yourself accordingly.
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
These are matters for (believe it or not) a Rav to consider (ideally, but you can also decide this yourself), where it depends on one's level of religious observance, the couple's expectations, and how it relates to shalom bayith. We are supposed to follow the Shulhan Aruch, but if we cannot due to the circumstances, a person has what to rely on. And like I said, there are certain things that all opinions agree must be kept, and you will find these out when you are one day engaged to someone. Once you know the laws, you can make a more educated decision. The "privacy of the home" thing just justifies sodomy, so better to be informed and educated.
As for Taharath haMishpaha, this is a must, not in the least sense an option. I'm glad you are willing to take these laws on. Nevertheless, if one is finding it too difficult, he DEFINETLY should consult a reliable orthodox Rav who can better understand the situation and find a way to fix it.
thank you
I will simply say, I will not have sex with my wife (or anyone) when she is menstruating...but hopefully just my wife...
There's a lot more to Nidda than that.
And another thing, that several people don't seem to be getting. Everything is G-d's business. You are always before the King of Kings, and must conduct yourself accordingly.
It maybe so...however i look at it another way. It's like speeding in a 35 mph zone going 60 mph. Sometimes you get caught and pay a fine. And other times you never get caught. Gd forbid you get into a car accident going that fast in the wrong place also. I liken sinning to this concept. If one acts immorally, even if it is a victimless crime, he/she might get caught and pay the consequences in his life or afterwards...or he may not get caught but might get hurt instead for acting immorally and making his/her life less fullfilling. The Laws of Gd are not meant to make Gd happy or vengeful necessarily. On the other hand, it is for us for our betterment. If we act improperly, it hurts us, not Gd as much.
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SAN FRANCISCO (JTA) n An Orthodox feminist group will train counselors to discuss sex with prospective brides and grooms.
The Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA) is recruiting 10 kallah teachers, women who teach betrothed Orthodox women about Jewish marriage law, for a course in which they will learn how to talk openly about sex.
I for one would never attend that :-\
Why do you think that course would be bad?
Oh I never said it was bad, I think its great for virgin married couples to get pointers, because there many things to learn.
I wouldn't go because one I am not a virgin, two believe it or not when talking about personal sexual matter I am very shy. And I don't even like asking my partner to correct anything or do things :-[
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
These are matters for (believe it or not) a Rav to consider (ideally, but you can also decide this yourself), where it depends on one's level of religious observance, the couple's expectations, and how it relates to shalom bayith. We are supposed to follow the Shulhan Aruch, but if we cannot due to the circumstances, a person has what to rely on. And like I said, there are certain things that all opinions agree must be kept, and you will find these out when you are one day engaged to someone. Once you know the laws, you can make a more educated decision. The "privacy of the home" thing just justifies sodomy, so better to be informed and educated.
As for Taharath haMishpaha, this is a must, not in the least sense an option. I'm glad you are willing to take these laws on. Nevertheless, if one is finding it too difficult, he DEFINETLY should consult a reliable orthodox Rav who can better understand the situation and find a way to fix it.
thank you
I will simply say, I will not have sex with my wife (or anyone) when she is menstruating...but hopefully just my wife...
There's a lot more to Nidda than that.
And another thing, that several people don't seem to be getting. Everything is G-d's business. You are always before the King of Kings, and must conduct yourself accordingly.
It maybe so...however i look at it another way. It's like speeding in a 35 mph zone going 60 mph. Sometimes you get caught and pay a fine. And other times you never get caught. Gd forbid you get into a car accident going that fast in the wrong place also. I liken sinning to this concept. If one acts immorally, even if it is a victimless crime, he/she might get caught and pay the consequences in his life or afterwards...or he may not get caught but might get hurt instead for acting immorally and making his/her life less fullfilling. The Laws of Gd are not meant to make Gd happy or vengeful necessarily. On the other hand, it is for us for our betterment. If we act improperly, it hurts us, not Gd as much.
Ah ha! So why would you want to hurt yourself? In fact, you're not allowed to hurt yourself...
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I have a question for the Love Doctor: When you go to a movie theater, do you by default settle for the empty front row, in one of the far corners?
:::D I can see where thats heading ^-^
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
These are matters for (believe it or not) a Rav to consider (ideally, but you can also decide this yourself), where it depends on one's level of religious observance, the couple's expectations, and how it relates to shalom bayith. We are supposed to follow the Shulhan Aruch, but if we cannot due to the circumstances, a person has what to rely on. And like I said, there are certain things that all opinions agree must be kept, and you will find these out when you are one day engaged to someone. Once you know the laws, you can make a more educated decision. The "privacy of the home" thing just justifies sodomy, so better to be informed and educated.
As for Taharath haMishpaha, this is a must, not in the least sense an option. I'm glad you are willing to take these laws on. Nevertheless, if one is finding it too difficult, he DEFINETLY should consult a reliable orthodox Rav who can better understand the situation and find a way to fix it.
thank you
I will simply say, I will not have sex with my wife (or anyone) when she is menstruating...but hopefully just my wife...
There's a lot more to Nidda than that.
And another thing, that several people don't seem to be getting. Everything is G-d's business. You are always before the King of Kings, and must conduct yourself accordingly.
It maybe so...however i look at it another way. It's like speeding in a 35 mph zone going 60 mph. Sometimes you get caught and pay a fine. And other times you never get caught. Gd forbid you get into a car accident going that fast in the wrong place also. I liken sinning to this concept. If one acts immorally, even if it is a victimless crime, he/she might get caught and pay the consequences in his life or afterwards...or he may not get caught but might get hurt instead for acting immorally and making his/her life less fullfilling. The Laws of Gd are not meant to make Gd happy or vengeful necessarily. On the other hand, it is for us for our betterment. If we act improperly, it hurts us, not Gd as much.
Ah ha! So why would you want to hurt yourself? In fact, you're not allowed to hurt yourself...
Who says I want to hurt myself?
Sometimes the best way to live is to live it carefully and not take any chances. But what's life just going through the motions?
I'm not suggesting for everyone to try sky diving or para sailing. However, I will suggest that some people need certain types fences to protect themselves. When possible in a 35 mph zone, I will drive 40 mph. Chances are, I won't get hurt or get a traffic ticket.
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I have a question for the Love Doctor: When you go to a movie theater, do you by default settle for the empty front row, in one of the far corners?
this should be moved to the Ask Dr. Dan.
No I usually choose the seat either in the middle or all the way in the back..
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Re: "...It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!..."
True!
And, of all the laws that a Jewish man must observe, Nidda is the easiest in keeping strict observance.
Why?
Because after the wedding night, a Jewish man will be lucky if his Jewish wife ever lets him have sex again! ;D ;D :::D 8;) ;D ;)
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Re: "...It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!..."
True!
And, of all the laws that a Jewish man must observe, Nidda is the easiest in keeping strict observance.
Why?
Because after the wedding night, a Jewish man will be lucky if his Jewish wife ever lets him have sex again! ;D ;D :::D 8;) ;D ;)
:::D :::D :::D then there is no problem :D
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Re: "...It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!..."
True!
And, of all the laws that a Jewish man must observe, Nidda is the easiest in keeping strict observance.
Why?
Because after the wedding night, a Jewish man will be lucky if his Jewish wife ever lets him have sex again! ;D ;D :::D 8;) ;D ;)
oh Hardee har har..
Listen..these very observant orthodox Jews....they might seem to be normal sweet and very conservative..but behind the scenes..it's a big time bobchikeewawa...why do you think they have so many kids!!! They are so much in love they want to keep making more moishes...All the power to them!
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Re: "...It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!..."
True!
And, of all the laws that a Jewish man must observe, Nidda is the easiest in keeping strict observance.
Why?
Because after the wedding night, a Jewish man will be lucky if his Jewish wife ever lets him have sex again! ;D ;D :::D 8;) ;D ;)
oh Hardee har har..
Listen..these very observant orthodox Jews....they might seem to be normal sweet and very conservative..but behind the scenes..it's a big time bobchikeewawa...why do you think they have so many kids!!! They are so much in love they want to keep making more moishes...All the power to them!
:D :D :D No their TV is broken :::D
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Re: "...It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!..."
True!
And, of all the laws that a Jewish man must observe, Nidda is the easiest in keeping strict observance.
Why?
Because after the wedding night, a Jewish man will be lucky if his Jewish wife ever lets him have sex again! ;D ;D :::D 8;) ;D ;)
oh Hardee har har..
Listen..these very observant orthodox Jews....they might seem to be normal sweet and very conservative..but behind the scenes..it's a big time bobchikeewawa...why do you think they have so many kids!!! They are so much in love they want to keep making more moishes...All the power to them!
:D :D :D No their TV is broken :::D
You think we watch TV? ;D
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You think we watch TV? ;D
You watch Chaims show don't you? ^-^
Where as I watch very little TV.
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You think we watch TV? ;D
You watch Chaims show don't you? ^-^
No. Not on Television. A lot of Charedim do not own a TV. I do own one, but before last night (I acquiesced to my aunt and watched the last 20 seconds of the ball dropping), I don't think I'd watched in in maybe 4 months.
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You think we watch TV? ;D
You watch Chaims show don't you? ^-^
No. Not on Television. A lot of Charedim do not own a TV. I do own one, but before last night (I acquiesced to my aunt and watched the last 20 seconds of the ball dropping), I don't think I'd watched in in maybe 4 months.
What is this Ball dropping :::D
It kinda sounds rude :-[
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You think we watch TV? ;D
You watch Chaims show don't you? ^-^
No. Not on Television. A lot of Charedim do not own a TV. I do own one, but before last night (I acquiesced to my aunt and watched the last 20 seconds of the ball dropping), I don't think I'd watched in in maybe 4 months.
To each their own....I don't agree wtih people who do this, but fine...as long as rules like this are not imposed on me or my family..and certainly i wouldn't impose my rules on them.
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You think we watch TV? ;D
You watch Chaims show don't you? ^-^
No. Not on Television. A lot of Charedim do not own a TV. I do own one, but before last night (I acquiesced to my aunt and watched the last 20 seconds of the ball dropping), I don't think I'd watched in in maybe 4 months.
To each their own....I don't agree wtih people who do this, but fine...as long as rules like this are not imposed on me or my family..and certainly i wouldn't impose my rules on them.
Yeah because you would miss out on South park :::D
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You think we watch TV? ;D
You watch Chaims show don't you? ^-^
No. Not on Television. A lot of Charedim do not own a TV. I do own one, but before last night (I acquiesced to my aunt and watched the last 20 seconds of the ball dropping), I don't think I'd watched in in maybe 4 months.
To each their own....I don't agree wtih people who do this, but fine...as long as rules like this are not imposed on me or my family..and certainly i wouldn't impose my rules on them.
Yeah because you would miss out on South park :::D
no i just download the shows from www.mrtwig.net
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no i just download the shows from www.mrtwig.net
Oh Geez G-d! :o
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I like the TV in the bedroom :)
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I like the TV in the bedroom :)
You won't when you are married.
Trust me I did when I was married, I get bored after the first 5 minutes.
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I like the TV in the bedroom :)
You won't when you are married.
Trust me I did when I was married, I get bored after the first 5 minutes.
You had a TV?
Yes I have five. And yes trust me other things get old quick, very repetitive you know. And TV gives you something to watch.
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I like the TV in the bedroom :)
:) It's less of a distraction then ;)
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I like the TV in the bedroom :)
:) It's less of a distraction then ;)
Yes exactly right ;)
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Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 31, 2007, 04:17:32 PM
It maybe so...however i look at it another way. It's like speeding in a 35 mph zone going 60 mph. Sometimes you get caught and pay a fine. And other times you never get caught. Gd forbid you get into a car accident going that fast in the wrong place also. I liken sinning to this concept. If one acts immorally, even if it is a victimless crime, he/she might get caught and pay the consequences in his life or afterwards...or he may not get caught but might get hurt instead for acting immorally and making his/her life less fullfilling. The Laws of Gd are not meant to make Gd happy or vengeful necessarily. On the other hand, it is for us for our betterment. If we act improperly, it hurts us, not Gd as much.
So, in the temporary, short-lived 'Olam haZe, you settle for the best possible, but for the eternal and blissful 'Olam haBa, you settle for the lame stuff? Why aren't you consistent? If the above quote was your attitude for 'Olam haZe, I wouldn't complain, but I don't understand why you are settling for the best seat in the house in 'Olam haZe, but for 'Olam haBa you want the empty front row. Love Doctor, please explain this inconsistency.
Because I don't go through life worrying about the after life and world to come..I go through life living on thsi planet earth and first and formost taking care of myself and my family and fellow Jews around me. If i get a back row in the world to come, then I get a back row in the world to come. i'm living the hear and now as morally and as righteously as possible...but i will worry the most on how I treat others first.
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Quote from: Dr. Dan on January 01, 2008, 06:58:51 PM
oh Hardee har har..
Listen..these very observant orthodox Jews....they might seem to be normal sweet and very conservative..but behind the scenes..it's a big time bobchikeewawa...why do you think they have so many kids!!! They are so much in love they want to keep making more moishes...All the power to them!
No their TV is broken
The two are related. Why do so many married couples find it like halacha to put cable in their bedrooms? What's the point of it all? It's the DUMBEST move. Aside from marital relations, the bedroom is the time and place for a couple to connect after a long day and talk over issues of importance. A TV--especially cable TV--distracts and silences important communication. A cable TV in a family's house is bad enough, but if a family is going to have one TV, why not the living room instead of the bedroom? I just posted an article about this here: http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=14248.0
Of course, this is not the only reason that couples with Torah lifestyles are better satisfied sexually. Other reasons have to do with the mandatory sex nights (I'm not kidding), Nidda laws, emphasis on family, and the halacha that a man must satisfy his wife sexually, both in quantity and quality.
Tv and cable is a distraction if one makes it a distraction. If someone is addicted to TV, then it only makes sense to not have it in the bedroom. If a couple is not addicted to TV, then there is nothing wrong with having it in the bedroom.
What if a husband and wife enjoy reading before sleeping? Then the book is just as distracting as the TV would be to another couple that watches TV all day.
Therefore, it isn't whether or not one has cable TV in their room which might distract them. It goes for any couple to avoid putting things in their room that will distract them from sexual relations when they are supposed to be doing it.
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It maybe so...however i look at it another way. It's like speeding in a 35 mph zone going 60 mph. Sometimes you get caught and pay a fine. And other times you never get caught. Gd forbid you get into a car accident going that fast in the wrong place also. I liken sinning to this concept. If one acts immorally, even if it is a victimless crime, he/she might get caught and pay the consequences in his life or afterwards...or he may not get caught but might get hurt instead for acting immorally and making his/her life less fullfilling. The Laws of Gd are not meant to make Gd happy or vengeful necessarily. On the other hand, it is for us for our betterment. If we act improperly, it hurts us, not Gd as much.
Because I don't go through life worrying about the after life and world to come..I go through life living on thsi planet earth and first and formost taking care of myself and my family and fellow Jews around me. If i get a back row in the world to come, then I get a back row in the world to come. i'm living the hear and now as morally and as righteously as possible...but i will worry the most on how I treat others first.
Again, this is a foolish, inconsistent attitude. "I'm just hurting myself, therefore it's OK." If you don't care about the "afterlife", or if you don't want to spend your life "worrying" about it, then why are you putting on Tefillin? Why are you going to Yom Kippur services? When your parents pass away (G-d willing it should happen late), are you not going to say Qaddish for them for eleven months because you don't spend time worrying about the afterlife (this question is rhetorical)? The fact is whether you like it or not, you are thinking of it, otherwise you would conduct yourself a lot more differently.
Doing the mitsvot will make this world a better place, whether they are between man and his fellow or between man and G-d. You think the world is not affected by the aberot you and I do in "the privacy of our own home"? You think your family and fellow Jews are not affected?
Isn't enough just to be a good person?
Yes, for a goy.
Let me clarify...I don't live on this earth so that I can go to heaven...I do not live on this earth to wait for the Moshiach.. Yes i believe in it... But the importance in life is what you do in the here and now. And to live ethically and righteously..Why should I live like this? It's not for a reward in the after life..it's because it is simply the RIGHT THING TO DO!!! When one works for rewards, and sees the reward doesn't come, then he can just as easily give up on acting righteously and act selfishly which hurts everyone. My point is, I do not do the things i do so I can get to heaven or usher in the moshiach faster...I do the things I do because it simply is the right and decent thing to do!
When I wear T'fillin, I feel closer to Gd and am in touch with myself. Therefore it helps me daily when I wear it when i wear it. I dont' wear tfillin for a reward in the after life. When I got shul on Yom Kippur and think about the past year and cry when I think of somethign beautiful I don't do it so that i can get to heaven. I do it because I become a better person, Gd willing, when i self-reflect. When I pray to Gd for my well being and any family member or friend, I pray for our well being and a prosperous life. I pray to be guided in the proper direction and to look away from doing evil deeds. It's not to go to Heaven. I will let Gd decide what will be done with my soul when that time comes.
WHen a loved one passes away, Yes, I say Kaddish. I say Kaddish, as they say, to help elevate the soul to heaven. It is part of our tradition and I believe in it.
Don't we all love to eat candy? BUt eating candy is bad for us! So why eat it if it is bad for us? But eating candy is pleasurable. And in life you are supposed to experience some pleasure even if it might hurt you slightly or minisculey like driving 5 mph faster than the speed limit. I'm not suggesting that we eat tons of candy everyday..but once in awhile it's ok..in moderation.
Therefore your rhetroical questions are very silly. I"m not cutting my veins and beating myself up hurting myself. I am not stealing, Gd forbid.. I'm not killing, Gd forbid. I'm not comitting homosexuality, Gd forbid. I'm doing the best that I can and first and foremost, I'm treating as many people as I can with kindness and with dignity.
YOu take what i say as if I have no faith. I have faith...I faith in everything...But i'm not going to rely on death while I am alive. I want to live life properly. When I look at a woman, for example, I dont' want to look at her like she's a piece of meat as Judaism proclaims..I want to look at a woman with her soul at the same time. And I dont' do this so I can get to HEaven. I do this because it is 1000 times more fullfilling than the other way. The Torah is a recipe book for LIVING the proper life...Not living FOR the after life....The afterlife is not for OUR religion..It's for the Muslims and maybe some Christians. The Torah is the book of LIFE not the Book of afterlife..or Book of Moshiach... Get real!
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Tv and cable is a distraction if one makes it a distraction. If someone is addicted to TV, then it only makes sense to not have it in the bedroom. If a couple is not addicted to TV, then there is nothing wrong with having it in the bedroom.
What if a husband and wife enjoy reading before sleeping? Then the book is just as distracting as the TV would be to another couple that watches TV all day.
Therefore, it isn't whether or not one has cable TV in their room which might distract them. It goes for any couple to avoid putting things in their room that will distract them from sexual relations when they are supposed to be doing it.
It's not really a matter of being "addicted" to TV. And it is nice to watch a late night talk show and laugh with one's spouse once in a while, since it can add to the shalom bayith. So? Do it in the living room? I'm telling you I've seen it first hand, what a TV does to communication in the bedroom. And you cannot compare a book to a TV... you have to be joking. Please spare me having to elaborate on the differences between reading in bed verses being hypnotized by a stupid box. And even if the couple can talk intermittently while the TV is on, the attention is still focused on the TV.
It's sickening to hear over here that people are getting bored within the first 5 minutes of talking to their own spouse. Why all this reliance on technology to help your marriage? This is utter laziness. Jews knew how to make their marriages work for 3000+ years before the TV was invented, and they can certainly do without it now if they learn to use their brains instead of relying on brainless TV. A Jew cannot even touch his spouse for two weeks every month; does the marriage have to suffer because there is absolutely no physical affection during those times? Of course not.
Again, I am not disagreeing with you. I think this can hold true for certain couples, but not all of them.
I personally do not have a TV in my bedroom. I don't see the point in having one. But when I'm married, Gd willing, I will discuss it with my wife if we should place one in there. THe TV is just as good on teh days off we have when we wake up in the morning and just want to cuddle in bed together..But that's just my opinion. I think having board games and puzzle books and newspapers is great too...So to each their own. You're right...the level of intellect between a husband and his wife shoudl be as described and if the TV is going to make them lazy to not talk to each other, then it is a better thing not to have it in the bedroom. But only a husband and wife knows what's best for themselves...It is not for you and me to judge.
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Let me clarify...I don't live on this earth so that I can go to heaven...I do not live on this earth to wait for the Moshiach.. Yes i believe in it... But the importance in life is what you do in the here and now. And to live ethically and righteously..Why should I live like this? It's not for a reward in the after life..it's because it is simply the RIGHT THING TO DO!!! When one works for rewards, and sees the reward doesn't come, then he can just as easily give up on acting righteously and act selfishly which hurts everyone. My point is, I do not do the things i do so I can get to heaven or usher in the moshiach faster...I do the things I do because it simply is the right and decent thing to do!
When I wear T'fillin, I feel closer to Gd and am in touch with myself. Therefore it helps me daily when I wear it when i wear it. I dont' wear tfillin for a reward in the after life. When I got shul on Yom Kippur and think about the past year and cry when I think of somethign beautiful I don't do it so that i can get to heaven. I do it because I become a better person, Gd willing, when i self-reflect. When I pray to Gd for my well being and any family member or friend, I pray for our well being and a prosperous life. I pray to be guided in the proper direction and to look away from doing evil deeds. It's not to go to Heaven. I will let Gd decide what will be done with my soul when that time comes.
WHen a loved one passes away, Yes, I say Kaddish. I say Kaddish, as they say, to help elevate the soul to heaven. It is part of our tradition and I believe in it.
Don't we all love to eat candy? BUt eating candy is bad for us! So why eat it if it is bad for us? But eating candy is pleasurable. And in life you are supposed to experience some pleasure even if it might hurt you slightly or minisculey like driving 5 mph faster than the speed limit. I'm not suggesting that we eat tons of candy everyday..but once in awhile it's ok..in moderation.
Therefore your rhetroical questions are very silly. I"m not cutting my veins and beating myself up hurting myself. I am not stealing, Gd forbid.. I'm not killing, Gd forbid. I'm not comitting homosexuality, Gd forbid. I'm doing the best that I can and first and foremost, I'm treating as many people as I can with kindness and with dignity.
YOu take what i say as if I have no faith. I have faith...I faith in everything...But i'm not going to rely on death while I am alive. I want to live life properly. When I look at a woman, for example, I dont' want to look at her like she's a piece of meat as Judaism proclaims..I want to look at a woman with her soul at the same time. And I dont' do this so I can get to HEaven. I do this because it is 1000 times more fullfilling than the other way. The Torah is a recipe book for LIVING the proper life...Not living FOR the after life....The afterlife is not for OUR religion..It's for the Muslims and maybe some Christians. The Torah is the book of LIFE not the Book of afterlife..or Book of Moshiach... Get real!
According to your philosophy, I'm afflicting myself when I put on Tefillin. Because I do not feel a single thing when I put on Tefillin, therefore I shouldn't bother? On the other hand, why am I putting it on? Because it is equivalent to the entire Torah. The King decreed and I listen; the Doctor gave medicine and I take it (you talk about candy, I talk about medicine). But again, you say Qaddish to because you give a damn about the afterlife. I don't know what you mean by "it's part of our tradition."
My philosophy doesn't claim you are afflicting yourself when you put on T'fillin. And if you don't feel a single thing when you put it on it doesn't make you a bad person. However, you DO feel something because it makes the rest of your day a little better.
And yes, I do wonder about after life. And it makes me feel better that there could be on which exists and that there could be a moshiach etc etc. So when the proper time comes to say Kaddish I say Kaddish. I'm not denying that Heaven exists or anything like that..I'm just saying we have to live in the here and now and think about rewards after we die...just do the right thing in this life.
Is that what you think about Jews? That they beat their chests all day saying "Oh woe is us!" Of course, the Hachamim tell us not to dwell on the subject of Mashiah and 'Olam haBa. I personally dislike any obsession with these matters, and can see the reasons why the Sages said not to dwell on the subject. Every mitsva should be done l'Shma. Exactly, the Torah was given For THIS world, NOT for 'Olam haBa! So you are squandering your opportunity to connect to G-d in THIS world for a little "candy"? Of course, the more you connect to G-d through the performance of the mitsvot, the less that "candy" is going to mean to you. What's your idea for living a "proper" and "ethical" life? Not to hurt others? Be a good person? Again, it's a wonderful start but NOT an end. A Jew has been given a higher mission; it's called "Torah," and includes its study.
No i do not think that Jews beat their chests are day long. I admire what observant Jews do and how they live. I respect them tremendously...and i respect all people who are especially righteous to one another. I am, by all means, not being critical about what they do. I'm not arguing for people to live like me either. For me right now in this time, what is right for me is moderation in religion and secularism..It's not necessarily right or wrong..it's what's right for me right now..it may change one day..Not suggesting for others to follow my lead either.
You mentioned "homosexuality-G-d forbid". Why G-d forbid? Does consensual homosexuality done in the privacy of one's home hurt others? You place a G-d forbid on homosexuality but what about on taking your family to a taref restaurant? Does that also matter in your view of the world?
Most of these things are victimless crimes if kept quiet. That doesn't make it right. Homosexuality is obviously wrong for so many reasons. Eating treyf isn't so wrong, but should be avoided when possible. You get sick when have homosexual relations. And you can get sick for a very looong time when that happens. Eating treyf might give you a belly ache...It's not good for you, but you don't suddenly become impure from eating it.
Now, I'm not suggesting it's ok. I dont' personally eat treyf..nor does my family. It isn't the worst sin...It's not like killing another human being. It is certainly better to eat what's kosher than not kosher. Now, this is only my opinion..It isn't a good opinion I know. I will not be lenient on myself on Treyf foods..but i'm not going to impose other Jews and what I mean by impose i mean FORCE other Jews to follow the rules the way I want them to..NEVER!! I would prefer to educate them...This is the proper thing to do in Galut. In israel, certainly treyf should be banned...except pigs..Pigs shoudl be allowed to exist in Israel but that's only for the sake of keeping the Muzzies away.
And then you say that Judaism proclaims that the Jewish woman is just a "piece of meat". How dare you? Is that also what you think of the other mitsvot, like kashruth and Shabbat? NO mitzva can be trivialized. I understand if you are not ready to undertake some, but don't try justifying it by saying that you are only hurting yourself, or that it's more important to be a good person. 6-1-3, hallas.
NO!! I implied the opposite. That Judaism does NOT proclaim this..you think I'm nuts!? Does that sound consistent with what i've been saying all along?! Unless it was a typo..oops...but NO NOT AT ALL!!! I'm basically saying that women shoudl NOT be looked as if they are a piece of meat..that they have a soul and that one shoudl love that soul and not think of her as a sex object...and yes, in marraige and in halakha the rules which are given to us on how we should with her is meant to elevate the nature of the relationship...it's a beautiful thing!
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It's sickening to hear over here that people are getting bored within the first 5 minutes of talking to their own spouse
I take it you are unmarried :::D
Little insight first year still honeymoon phrase, second year getting used to other habits, third year its a routine ......... tenth year pfft wished that you married the TV in some cases.
And theres alot of times just being together WITHOUT talking is far more pleasurable than having to listen to them. Because theres is many times when you are so tired you don't want that.
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skippy: "...tenth year pfft wished that you married the TV in some cases..."
Skippy,
I have this theory that the happiest marriages would be those in which the husband and wife occupy separate bedrooms, and not be around each other constantly.
It seems to me that some of the happiest housewives I have known were those whose husbands were always away from home on business trips.
In your opinion, do you think this kind of arrangement might help keep the fires of passion burning and prevent marital "burnout"?
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skippy: "...tenth year pfft wished that you married the TV in some cases..."
Skippy,
I have this theory that the happiest marriages would be those in which the husband and wife occupy separate bedrooms, and not be around each other constantly.
It seems to me that some of the happiest housewives I have known were those whose husbands were always away from home on business trips.
In your opinion, do you think this kind of arrangement might help keep the fires of passion burning and prevent marital "burnout"?
Oh yes, some of my happest moments was when I was deployed or my husband was. Thats how we lasted 10 years.
Marriage, now the younger you are the more naive and tolerant of your partner. And sex if high on the agenda.
Age plays a very important role in relationships.
When you are older you see things very different.
Sharing the bed. Yes its nice the comfort and closeness that it provides, but what about the breathing in ones face or *shudder* breathing down your neck. Cute for a while then ...........no.
Or its a heat wave and you are sweating melting into a pile of whatever and you have another heated body sweating all over you too. Sexy I think not.
Or when Its womens time, you don't want to be near people, you are unclean, not a time for closeness.
Or work shift you don't want to be in a room with people you need rest and quiet.
Or if you have a cold or they have, dribbling coughing, snorting over you, yes very romantic NOT!
Or what about the farting, stretching and snoring, being a blanket hog, coming over yourside of the bed.
Personal space!!!!!
Foreign concept to some people.
Separate beds yes at times or big huge king size bed.
Not being connected to each others hip 24 hours a day is a good thing.
Theres a saying "how can I miss you if you don't go away".
Time apart does allow a more passionate reunion, but not to long of a break tho.
Business is fine, but they go on trips just to get away, not fine.
To be away from your spouse you need complete trust, and couples that can't ever do this I wonder why? maybe no trust is there. ;)
When you are an adult you don't require 24 hour attention.
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
Dear Doctor, I think you simply don't know what your are talking about. With all due respect, if you read the laws, you will understand that it is not the "next level" that you can forego, but a bare minimum for a strong and pure relationship.
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
Dear Doctor, I think you simply don't what your are talking about. With all due respect, if you read the laws, you will understand that it is not the "next level" that you can forego, but a bare minimum for a strong and pure relationship.
Well to each their own..I don't want another person telling me what me and wife are allowed to do in the privacy of our home.
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Trust me I did when I was married, I get bored after the first 5 minutes.
You're divorced? How long were you married for? Aren't you currently engaged or married?
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Trust me I did when I was married, I get bored after the first 5 minutes.
You're divorced? How long were you married for? Aren't you currently engaged or married?
yes, 10 years and 3 years, and yes engaged at this point.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
I think its the stopping of parents smacking their kids, the child grows up to do what ever it likes.
That creates the lack of morals
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
Dear Doctor, I think you simply don't what your are talking about. With all due respect, if you read the laws, you will understand that it is not the "next level" that you can forego, but a bare minimum for a strong and pure relationship.
Well to each their own..I don't want another person telling me what me and wife are allowed to do in the privacy of our home.
I thought you were not married...
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Whoa hold up this is not what that was about. :-\
Its is about the Jewish marriage laws.
And how to remain with in the laws when married.
Not about single people and sex and porno's.
This is about preparing people for that part of their married lives.
Geezzz. ::)
Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
Resisting the temptation to grill you over what you just said, I have another question for the Love Doctor:
How much does it mean for you to keep the Nidda laws? Would you not mind ignoring this IMPORTANT practice in your own marraige?
It is the most important thing!!!!! The Nidda law will be one of those things that will allow for a successful marriage!
Actually the truth is, besides nidda, i don't know what is allowed or not allowed...I dont' want to get explicit on this forum, but it is a relgious question and it is about sex but not necessarily actual intercourse..so i'm being very oblique right now...are there other sexual acts between a consenting husband and wife which are not allowed and those which are permitted?
It is also more important because you will go into spiritual excommunication for not keeping the Nidda laws. But yes, G-d's rules do add to a successful marriage.
As for your question on what can and cannot be done between a man and a women, first of all, yes, according to the ruling in the Shulhan Aruch, there are a few limitations, mostly having to do with foreplay (it is still practically mandatory for a man to engage in it with his wife). The minority opinion of the Rambam (in this particular matter) is a lot more lenient with what is permitted (and there are still some limitations that ALL agree on). Nevertheless, he stresses that a couple must conduct themselves with holiness and purity, and not engage in acts that will trivialize or frivol the important and extremely holy act of sex between a husband and wife.
I agree with this 100%!!
now when i refer to the privacy of one's home...while it is important to keep the marraige holy and sex etc, still yet, whatever kinkiness, so to speak, that a husband and wife agree on, is between themselves only...
Dear Doctor, I think you simply don't what your are talking about. With all due respect, if you read the laws, you will understand that it is not the "next level" that you can forego, but a bare minimum for a strong and pure relationship.
Well to each their own..I don't want another person telling me what me and wife are allowed to do in the privacy of our home.
I thought you were not married...
I'm not...i'm just saying hypothetically speaking..
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Try it, you will have a chance understanding how this stuff works.
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Try it, you will have a chance understanding how this stuff works.
try what
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Try getting married, Doc...
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Try getting married, Doc...
working on it....
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I think it's a great idea for prospective brides and grooms to be taken to the side to attend pre-marriage seminars, and even "How To Talk About Sex with Your Spouse" classes. I think it could only help the marriage stay the course.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
The purpose of teaching sex ed in schools Newman, is to teach kids that if they're going to do it, they should practice it safely and not put their lives in danger. *Safely meaning abstainence or condom use*. I think that if I hadn't learned about sex at an early age, I would have been a teen mom. Luckily that sex ed class I took in elementary school came along. It put the fear of God in me.
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skippy: "...tenth year pfft wished that you married the TV in some cases..."
Skippy,
I have this theory that the happiest marriages would be those in which the husband and wife occupy separate bedrooms, and not be around each other constantly.
It seems to me that some of the happiest housewives I have known were those whose husbands were always away from home on business trips.
In your opinion, do you think this kind of arrangement might help keep the fires of passion burning and prevent marital "burnout"?
Oh yes, some of my happest moments was when I was deployed or my husband was. Thats how we lasted 10 years.
Marriage, now the younger you are the more naive and tolerant of your partner. And sex if high on the agenda.
Age plays a very important role in relationships.
When you are older you see things very different.
Sharing the bed. Yes its nice the comfort and closeness that it provides, but what about the breathing in ones face or *shudder* breathing down your neck. Cute for a while then ...........no.
Or its a heat wave and you are sweating melting into a pile of whatever and you have another heated body sweating all over you too. Sexy I think not.
Or when Its womens time, you don't want to be near people, you are unclean, not a time for closeness.
Or work shift you don't want to be in a room with people you need rest and quiet.
Or if you have a cold or they have, dribbling coughing, snorting over you, yes very romantic NOT!
Or what about the farting, stretching and snoring, being a blanket hog, coming over yourside of the bed.
Personal space!!!!!
Foreign concept to some people.
Separate beds yes at times or big huge king size bed.
Not being connected to each others hip 24 hours a day is a good thing.
Theres a saying "how can I miss you if you don't go away".
Time apart does allow a more passionate reunion, but not to long of a break tho.
Business is fine, but they go on trips just to get away, not fine.
To be away from your spouse you need complete trust, and couples that can't ever do this I wonder why? maybe no trust is there. ;)
When you are an adult you don't require 24 hour attention.
Kiwi isn't here anymore but I wanted to respond to this. I got married at 20 years old (my husband was 21). He was the first man I'd ever lived with so imagine how scared I was that I would muck everything up within the first 5 minutes of our marital relationship. lol When it came to the sleeping arrangements, I was aware that in a monogomous relationship (in some households) the man and wife slept in the same bed. At first I wasn't comfortable because I'd slept by myself for years...but as time went on (about 2 weeks) I learned to love it. I don't like NOT sleeping next to him and even when he's away, I sleep on my side of the bed because it's comforting for me to feel that he's next to me in spirit.
Now, I also had grandparents who slept in separate bedrooms for 30 years of their marriage, until my grandfather died. They had separate tv's, separate bedtime rituals, separate comfort zones, separate conversations (they rarely spoke to each other), and even separate dogs. I never questioned the way they spent time with each other (or not)...it wasn't my business. But I knew that I didn't want to grow separately from my husband in EVERY aspect. I like being around him, feeling him next to me, feeling him breathe...and when he snores, I just nudge him and he turns over to sleep more soundly.
What I'm trying to say is that being next to your spouse isn't a bad thing...but I also know that not all couples run their relationships the same way. I'll miss the heck out of him once he deploys for 7-9 months; I'll inject that "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" quote right there...until he comes home. :)
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
Exactly, enough of the P.C. KKKommunist Sex Education SSchool books! >:(
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...
It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology. It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...
It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology. It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?
As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.
It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...
It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology. It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?
As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.
It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.
If the parents don't teach their children morality...well mercy be on you all. That's not my call...but certainly whatever is done in those communities should not be imposed in our's since we teach our kids morality and join a religious institution.
I do advocate teaching children going through puberty or close to it to learn about biology and anatomy..and even love and the difference between lust and love and that sex really should wait for the right person when one is an adult and ready to take on the proper emotional responsibility.
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Schools should teach BIOLOGY, not sex.
Sex education is the job of parents, not the state.
Having godless, evil, bolshevic, leftist teachers handle sex education is a green light to encourage promiscuity and sodomy.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...
It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology. It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?
As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.
It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.
Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.
I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.
Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...
It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology. It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?
As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.
It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.
Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.
I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.
Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.
You are not being clear enough. I construed from what you said that the biggest delay for your having children out of wedlock like all your friends did at an earlier age was looking at the crappy lives of others who made the mistake.
No, it was because I was taught about sex the right way by people who are qualified to give the information. They told me..and since my mom wasn't giving up the information freely, without poking and prodding, it was better than me learning from the mindless drones roaming our community who had no clue of what sex was. What I learned I tried to teach to my sister. What came of that was us knowing what safe sex and SAFER sex was before doing ANYTHING. (Safer sex being abstainence.)
If that class wasn't there for me, I assure you, some dummy with a little bit of information about how sex feels would have been there. That would have done me absolutely no good.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...
It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology. It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?
As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.
It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.
Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.
I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.
Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.
You are not being clear enough. I construed from what you said that the biggest delay for your having children out of wedlock like all your friends did at an earlier age was looking at the crappy lives of others who made the mistake.
No, it was because I was taught about sex the right way by people who are qualified to give the information. They told me..and since my mom wasn't giving up the information freely, without poking and prodding, it was better than me learning from the mindless drones roaming our community who had no clue of what sex was. What I learned I tried to teach to my sister. What came of that was us knowing what safe sex and SAFER sex was before doing ANYTHING. (Safer sex being abstainence.)
If that class wasn't there for me, I assure you, some dummy with a little bit of information about how sex feels would have been there. That would have done me absolutely no good.
Did you have child out of wedlock?
NO. And you know it.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed' was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
That's the point.
Sex ed is the parents' job, not the bolshevic school teachers'. The fact that sex ed has NOT stopped teenage sex proves it is useless.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
That's the point.
Sex ed is the parents' job, not the bolshevic school teachers'. The fact that sex ed has NOT stopped teenage sex proves it is useless.
Now you're talking in circles, newman. Since it's the parents' job, what do you say to children who's parents won't even say the 's' word around them? Just because their parents don't talk to them about sex, they shouldnt' listen to anyone who may just help them out? Should they wait until their parents 'come around' and are more comfortable to speak about it...when the child is now 25 years old with 12 kids? What?
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
That's the point.
Sex ed is the parents' job, not the bolshevic school teachers'. The fact that sex ed has NOT stopped teenage sex proves it is useless.
Now you're talking in circles, newman. Since it's the parents' job, what do you say to children who's parents won't even say the 's' word around them? Just because their parents don't talk to them about sex, they shouldnt' listen to anyone who may just help them out? Should they wait until their parents 'come around' and are more comfortable to speak about it...when the child is now 25 years old with 12 kids? What?
That's happening now with sex education. Why stomp on parental rights because of a few derelect parents in the ghetto?
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It occurs to me that since sex education in schools was introduced we have more bastard babies, rape and abortion than we had when people were (supposedly) ignorant of it.
Why not 'Social Responsibility' classes that teach black hos in the inner cities not to scatter bastard babies all over the ghetto?
Not necessarily true.
Are you kidding?
Wanna compare statistics from 1957 to 2007?
Your claim that it is this way is because of sex education class...
My claim that it isn't necessarily because of sex education class...there is something else in the air that might have also caused a lot of teenage pregnancies. I prefer to blame it on the moral decay and inability to use morality properly by our government and Hollywood's glorification of things like children out of wetlock.
I agree with you, Dr. Dan. I think some people get "Sex Education" mixed up with "How to Have Sex" education. This attitude is precisely the reason why so many parents refuse to talk to their children about sex; they're too afraid that the info they give would be like reading a "How To" manual. I've actually seen a lot of children grow up where whenever the word sex was said in the household, they would be beaten to a pulp because "sex" is supposed to be a bad word.
What creates young teen moms (black, white, yellow, pink or green) is the lack of information about safe sex, or abstainence.
Sex needs to be taught maturely by parents before the stupid liberal schools brainwash their children.
How can schools brainwash children with the truth? What do you think these classes teach children? And another thing... sex is so taboo, that parents these days regard the word as 'dirty'. What do you suggest when parents WON'T speak to their children about sex, because they're prudes? How else should they learn?
Because schools encourage their students to have abortions, unhealthy birth control pills, condoms, flavored condoms, pre-marital relations, sodomy, cunnilingus, fellatio, masturbation, and to view pornography. Is there room for marriage in their astute vocabularies?
Why do they need to learn? If the teaching of this holy act between a husband and wife is not for the sake of (in the case of Jews) Jewish law, or not for the sake of (in the case of both Jews and goyim) instilling the correct values, how to treat a woman not like a piece of meat that can be chewed or thrown away, how to conduct oneself in marriage, then for what grand purpose do they need to learn?
Take a look at the statistics of your own community and ask me again if you think public school sex education benefitted them.
First of all, that's not what sex ed teaches children in school. NONE of that. You think that people who teach sex ed are telling them HOW to have sex ...and you're wrong. I had sex ed in school and what they taught girls and boys were about the changes in their bodies. What? do you think that when kids become adolesants that they don't have sexual curiosities? Boys have unspeakable things happen to them when they are asked to stand up in class (during the puberty stage)...Most girls when they start their menses usually start in school while in class. These are things that happen in the human body.
What I learned in sex ed was not only what condoms do but why it was important to save myself. I (we) learned what STD's LOOK like (which turned off A LOT OF KIDS from THINKING about sex again until they were responsible enough to protect themselves. The boys learned that respecting women, and girls is important and that girls should never be pressured into sex. Girls learned to value themselves and their bodies.
I know that in your religion that a lot of things are frowned upon that would be tolerated outside of your religion. I understand that and respect that. However, in this instance, if parents don't say a word to their children about sex (because children as early as 5 years old are naturally curious) they will learn somewhere unfavorable; for instance, friends who don't know what they're talking about but can tell them how it felt.
We can't go throughout life telling our kids that they'll die if they have sex. That's not necessarily true. Sex is a beautiful when shared between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship; and shouldn't be entered into lightly because feelings are involved: When you're too young to even name your feelings. It is best to save yourself for the one you're going to be with for the rest of your life. *But guess what? Most teenagers don't wait.*
I don't know where you got the idea that sex education had ANYTHING to do with teaching children about cunniligus, and such. That's just crazy! And as far as checking "my community", why don't we take a poll on every community where teenagers and their raging hormones reside. Premarital sex doesn't only happen in the black community. *And just because it happens a LOT in the black community, it doesn't mute the fact that children and young adults in other communities are doing the same thing.
If you want to stop children from having sex too early, talk to them as if they have half a brain...not like they're pod people.
Times have changed since your sex education, Erica. Everything I mentioned above was the extent of my public school sex education. You mention "between two consenting adults in a monogomous relationship"--why not 5 consenting adults in a married relationship? Everything is of course relative. How can we judge what people do in the comfort of their own homes?
Prevention of AIDS and all the other diseases that your community suffers from is abstinence. Teaching the value of birth control pills will not create abstinence.
How old are you? And another thing...what if teens decide NOT to wait, what will you tell them? What's important is that we give them the tools to make the right decisions. If they choose not to, we have to teach them other ways to communicate with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Sex isn't the end all to be all to life. I think some of you wish the teens of America could just go inside of a cocoon of some sort and come out more 'mature' and 'all-knowing' on the other side. It doesn't happen like that.
maybe not in your community wear sex was the norm as a teenager..Heck, even having kids out of wetlock was the norm in your community...
It isn't in our's...so you can't compare apples and oranges...The culture of your community doesn't frown upon being single and having kids as much. In our's it is ridiculed when it happens to one of us. The school has a small responsibility to teach anatomy and biology. It is the parent's and religious institution to teach morality.
And if the parents DON'T teach their children morality, or don't have a religous institution, what should come of the children? You don't want them to have sex out of wedlock, and you don't want them to learn from trained professionals who actually teach sex ed...what do you suggest?
As for the differences in our communities, I understand that. I believe though that we were talking about teaching children sex ed who don't get it; not those who do.
It would also be good to know from any of you how the birds and the bees were taught to you when you were growing up in your Jewish households.
Again, please fill me in on what sex ed has done for your community. If you can't do that, then please tell me how you as a woman who lives/lived there will manage to teach a bunch of buffoons to make their sex ed work.
I can only tell you what the LACK of sex ed has done for people in my community. That is, sex ed at HOME and at school. The LACK of sex ed at home and at school has brought forth the teen pregnancy rate you speak of. Children are left to their own devices or are left taking advice from OTHER teens who know nothing about anything so they pass the ignorance along. The parents are such prudes and are so afraid to even say the word sex around their kids that they'd just assume threaten them with death than talk about it outright.
I actually reaped the benefit of sex ed in school. My sister and I were told that we'd be just like the girls we knew who had kids at 13, 14, and 15 years old. Thankfully, I had sex ed in school and she had me to talk to. We both waited until we were ready to do anything and we both didn't have children until we were in our 20's. Those are just two examples of what GOOD SEX ED can actually do to further a community. But I'm sure there are more.
Without sex ed, we are only left with children who don't give a damn about their lives, the lives of others or anything else. They're just winging it.
You are not being clear enough. I construed from what you said that the biggest delay for your having children out of wedlock like all your friends did at an earlier age was looking at the crappy lives of others who made the mistake.
No, it was because I was taught about sex the right way by people who are qualified to give the information. They told me..and since my mom wasn't giving up the information freely, without poking and prodding, it was better than me learning from the mindless drones roaming our community who had no clue of what sex was. What I learned I tried to teach to my sister. What came of that was us knowing what safe sex and SAFER sex was before doing ANYTHING. (Safer sex being abstainence.)
If that class wasn't there for me, I assure you, some dummy with a little bit of information about how sex feels would have been there. That would have done me absolutely no good.
Did you have child out of wedlock?
NO. And you know it.
Your post was not clear so that's why I was asking.
My question continues by asking how your public school system failed to reach out to your other peers? You are already a unique one amongst the people in your community because you speak intelligently and write maturely, so I'm not surprised that you concieved children within wedlock.
I'm by no means saying this is the case with all blacks, but does the typical ghettoized mother and father (if applicable) teach their children ANY values, besides the act of sex? What about respect for human life, property, manners, etc? The issue of not teaching kids about sex is part of a much more broad problem within your community, namely the lack of teaching ANY real values.
They didn't fail to reach out to my other peers. We were all taught sex ed at the same time ( my age group) and about 89% of us decided against having sex until we were mature enough to handle the consequences. The other 11% learned nothing because once their parents found out that sex ed was being taught in our school, they forbid their kids to take the class, then they did not follow through with the teaching. They closed up like clams and treated sex as if it was a bad word or a bad act. That made their children depend on sources outside of the home...unreliable sources, at that.
I believe that it's a parent's job to tell their children about sex and answer the tough questions that follow. But I also think that by saying that even when parents don't step up to the plate that qualified professionals in schools shouldn't give the information out. That's like telling the kids to go out, have sex irresponsibly and bear lots of kids in the process. You really don't give the kids a choice when you take sex ed out of the homes AND out of schools. One situation has to balance out the other when one isn't available.
This isn't only a problem in the black community. This is a national problem. Its also an international problem. I have yet to meet a parent who isn't afraid to draw pictures, explain in debth, and provide helpful information about sex to their children. I mean,with my own mom, it was really hard to get her to talkabout the birds and the bees with me. I threw her for a loop when I asked her what 'making love' was ,at 9 years old. She sat me down in her bedroom and preceded to sweat, wring her hands, go into minor descriptions about the beginning stages of sex..THEN she lost her nerve, turned on the television (where ironically "The Miracle of Childbirth" was showing on PBS) and like a puff of smoke, she was gone.
When parents can deal with the fact that when they have sex, it isn't a dirty thing, then and only then they will be comfortable enough to talk to their kids without leaving their kids confused.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex. For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex. For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.
I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex. For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.
I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.
erica, I compeltely respect what you did. At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex. 12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...
It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
-
Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex. For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.
I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.
erica, I compeltely respect what you did. At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex. 12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...
It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the God's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.
I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex. For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.
I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.
erica, I compeltely respect what you did. At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex. 12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...
It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the G-d's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.
I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .
As long as you can explain it to them in the proper perspective all the power to you. I can't tell you how to be a mother to your daughters especially if i don't have any of my own.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex. For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.
I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.
erica, I compeltely respect what you did. At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex. 12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...
It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the G-d's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.
I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .
As long as you can explain it to them in the proper perspective all the power to you. I can't tell you how to be a mother to your daughters especially if i don't have any of my own.
That's the whole idea of sex ed in schools (except the story I read here where some idiot went into a school and told kids to do drugs and have sex ...) Sex ed is as much about prevention of STD's as it is about abstinence. I think that if there are parents who find it strange that sex ed is taught in school, that they should visit the shools during the classes so that they can get an idea on what 's actually being said there.
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Sex education was only introduced in schools around 40 years years ago.
Are there MORE or LESS abortions and bastard babies now days?
I rest my case.
You haven't proven that sex education is the reason for abortions or the increase of out of wedlock babies are born. The LACK of the service and the LACK of the parents talking openly about sex to their children is the reason all of this is happening, newman. Rest your case on that.
I didn't say sex ed was the reason. But it hasn't improved anything either. You've just stated what most opponents of sex ed say. 'it's up to parents'.
Who else is it supposed to be up to, Newman? THe reason why Sex ed was thought of in the first place is because a rash of teenaged girls and boys started having sex and children at early ages; because their parents weren't talking to them. It IS up to the parents to teach their children about sex. Now how are the teens supposed to learn about sex, newman? By osmosis? What? They're supposed to just get older and all of a sudden "DING" they've gotten the idea? Also, remember...schools have something to lose when they have more pregnant students. THat means more drop outs. That leads to the school being closed down.
If you had children and they were 6 or even 7 years old and asked you about sex, what would you tell them?
At the age of 6 or 7, I would say that kissing on the lips makes babies...and then when they are older I will change the story around.
So you'd lie to them? And when the time comes to "Change the story around" what will you say then?
I knew what the male and female anatomy looked like when i was 3-4 years old. However I would have never understood how it really worked in a sexual way. I had always been under the impression that women became pregnant by open mouth kissing. And in sex education in 5th grade i learned about the internal anatomies and the changing of the woman's and the man's body. In 7th grade I learned that a certain rubbing had to take place but not how. And then 12 and a half I came across a porno and finally put one and one together.
I would rather my kids have a curiosity but have an innocence about them. Young children aren't ready to hear the real way sex takes place...they don't need to be told about sperms and eggs. They shoudl be kept away from any kind of pornographic images until they are the right age to come across it accidentally. By the time they are teenagers and in their reproductive mode, certainly I will give them a nice lesson on how it's done and how they should deal with it morally and with love.
but little kids dont' need to know the details...I'll just tell them the stork story...until they are mature enough to hear the real one later on.
Of course Dr.Dan. That's the way people taught their children for generations.
Children on farms, saw what the animals did.
But it was out of the question to talk openly about sex, with young children.
i didn't grow up on a farm...I'm just saying this is what worked for with me...every parent will have his/her own way to teach their child about sex. For me, sex is something that shoudl be kept very private and modest...but every one of my children will different and my wife will be my help...so it will be between the both of us on how we will decide on how to talk to our kids.
I can respect that.
I can't do it that way though because by the time kids are 13 nowadays it's too late to break out the truth (or semi-truth). I found this out with my stepdaughter who was 13 when she came to live with us in NY. She took me to the side and asked me about sex because her mom still hadn't told her about it. When she asked her mom,she told her that she got pregnant from kissing. Then she told her that a baby comes from gushy stuff in the stomach. I'm still shivering from that response. My 13 year old stepdaughter didn't now what sex was at all. I didn't want her going throughout life thinking that way so I broke it down for her. I drew pictures, explained in detail how the reproductive system works but more importantly that she should save herself. She is now going to be 17, and she's still a virgin. After seeing how telling her half-truths affected her outlook on sex, I knew from there how I wanted to tackle the subject with my biological kids when its time for them to learn.
erica, I compeltely respect what you did. At the age of 13 or 12 let's say whatever it is, it is quite ok to tell a complete truth like the way you did. I'm referring to 5,6, 7 year olds...they are not equipped to understand the complexities of love and actual sex. 12 and 13 year olds who's bodies are changing...you can talk about all that and introduce morality..which it seems you did...
It would be a mistake otherwise, to keep it away from a young adult. Sex is a natural part of life and it woudl be wrong not to tell the truth when kids are at teh proper age of understanding it.
Being candid isn't going to work here so excuse my frankness ladies and gentlemen. My 3 year old asked me once why her dad and I kissed each other. I told her it's because we love each other. Since then, everytime she witnesses us kiss each other, she tells her sisters that we're loving each other...which is the G-d's honest truth. She has also asked about the names of her body parts...every one of them and I told her exactly what they are. THat way,if something hurts her she can tell me what it is that is hurting instead of being afraid to say the actual words. My oldest biological daughter walked in on us one night...we had a gaggle of questions to answer the next morning...and we answered her. She needed to know. I think children are the best gauges when it comes when they want to know about sex and other subjects.
I'm not afraid of sexuality so I'm going to naturally be open with my daughters. More open than my own mother was .
As long as you can explain it to them in the proper perspective all the power to you. I can't tell you how to be a mother to your daughters especially if i don't have any of my own.
That's the whole idea of sex ed in schools (except the story I read here where some idiot went into a school and told kids to do drugs and have sex ...) Sex ed is as much about prevention of STD's as it is about abstinence. I think that if there are parents who find it strange that sex ed is taught in school, that they should visit the shools during the classes so that they can get an idea on what 's actually being said there.
Some sex ed is good
But in a lot of other places they teach about homosexuality sex and oral sex and other stuff. Like i said, Anatomy and biology shoudl be taught when teaching sex ed.
And the parents have a bigger duty teach the rest especially morality.
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Your post was not clear so that's why I was asking.
My question continues by asking how your public school system failed to reach out to your other peers? You are already a unique one amongst the people in your community because you speak intelligently and write maturely, so I'm not surprised that you concieved children within wedlock.
I'm by no means saying this is the case with all blacks, but does the typical ghettoized mother and father (if applicable) teach their children ANY values, besides the act of sex? What about respect for human life, property, manners, etc? The issue of not teaching kids about sex is part of a much more broad problem within your community, namely the lack of teaching ANY real values.
They didn't fail to reach out to my other peers. We were all taught sex ed at the same time ( my age group) and about 89% of us decided against having sex until we were mature enough to handle the consequences. The other 11% learned nothing because once their parents found out that sex ed was being taught in our school, they forbid their kids to take the class, then they did not follow through with the teaching. They closed up like clams and treated sex as if it was a bad word or a bad act. That made their children depend on sources outside of the home...unreliable sources, at that.
I believe that it's a parent's job to tell their children about sex and answer the tough questions that follow. But I also think that by saying that even when parents don't step up to the plate that qualified professionals in schools shouldn't give the information out. That's like telling the kids to go out, have sex irresponsibly and bear lots of kids in the process. You really don't give the kids a choice when you take sex ed out of the homes AND out of schools. One situation has to balance out the other when one isn't available.
This isn't only a problem in the black community. This is a national problem. Its also an international problem. I have yet to meet a parent who isn't afraid to draw pictures, explain in debth, and provide helpful information about sex to their children. I mean,with my own mom, it was really hard to get her to talkabout the birds and the bees with me. I threw her for a loop when I asked her what 'making love' was ,at 9 years old. She sat me down in her bedroom and preceded to sweat, wring her hands, go into minor descriptions about the beginning stages of sex..THEN she lost her nerve, turned on the television (where ironically "The Miracle of Childbirth" was showing on PBS) and like a puff of smoke, she was gone.
When parents can deal with the fact that when they have sex, it isn't a dirty thing, then and only then they will be comfortable enough to talk to their kids without leaving their kids confused.
Where did 89% come from? These are NOT the statistics I see in your community.
You keep on going in circles. My point was that much of your community teach NO values, including a parent's proper teaching of sex to his child. Your community has a vicious cycle of single mothers raising five kids, a high spread of STDs, and an even more alarming rate of rape. If you want me to brief you on what else goes on, a high preponderance of crime, including violent crime, drug use, etc, poverty, infant mortality. Above all, everyone seems to have horror stories of how rude groups of black men are, how loud and inconsiderate and how easy their inclinations toward violent behavior are.
Everyone is playing king of the jungle here, so again, sex education is not preventing them from acting like animals during mating season. Even if sex education is an "international" problem as you say it is (take Africa for example), you just cannot compare your communites woes to the rest of society; it just isn't as bad. Problems always occur, but not to the same degrees of intensity.
89% of the people I attended school with! See, unlike you, I can use the % and not include everyone in a race! And you dont' see ANY statistics in MY community because #1, you have never had to live there. #2. You don't know HOW MUCH of my community teaches what..you're just speculating because you don't like blacks. And guess what, black women aren't the ONLY women who happen to have relationships with future deadbeat dads. Check out Maury Povich. Give me a percentage of how many white women you see going through the same thing on that show. I NEVER EVER denied that the black community has a high rate of crime and other problems. And to tell you the absolute truth, I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself over and over and over again but this is getting pretty sickening. Arguing with you back and forth over things we fundamentally agree on doesn't make one bit of sense to me.
NOT ALL blacks are the way you described them. NOT ALL BLACK MEN behave the way you heard someone say they do. And to clear a matter up, if a child drops out of school before they get a chance to be in a sex ed class, it would really do them no good in the real world, right?
Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
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Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
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Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
I've explained to you that I know about the statistics already. I've told you that over and over and over ...and yet OVER again. But from MY perspective, I can only give you what I know to be true. All of this "Your evil is worse than MY evil" talk is tiring. I'll continue to do what I have to do to make sure that my kids are part of the solution. You do what you do best... complain, lament, compare, weigh, analyze... in the end, you're still no better than anyone else in this world. And neither am I.
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Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
I've explained to you that I know about the statistics already. I've told you that over and over and over ...and yet OVER again. But from MY perspective, I can only give you what I know to be true. All of this "Your evil is worse than MY evil" talk is tiring. I'll continue to do what I have to do to make sure that my kids are part of the solution. You do what you do best... complain, lament, compare, weigh, analyze... in the end, you're still no better than anyone else in this world. And neither am I.
You're twisting and evading the issue again.
NOBODY at JTF has said white crimes are less evil than black crimes. Where did you get that idea?
A white mugger is EQUALLY as bad as a black mugger. A white rapist is EQUALLY as bad as a black rapist. Right?
What we ARE saying is that a much much greater proportion of the black community are muggers and rapists compared to the proportion of muggers & rapists in the white community. If you're familiar with the statistics you would know this to be true.
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Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
I've explained to you that I know about the statistics already. I've told you that over and over and over ...and yet OVER again. But from MY perspective, I can only give you what I know to be true. All of this "Your evil is worse than MY evil" talk is tiring. I'll continue to do what I have to do to make sure that my kids are part of the solution. You do what you do best... complain, lament, compare, weigh, analyze... in the end, you're still no better than anyone else in this world. And neither am I.
You're twisting and evading the issue again.
NOBODY at JTF has said white crimes are less evil than black crimes. Where did you get that idea?
A white mugger is EQUALLY as bad as a black mugger. A white rapist is EQUALLY as bad as a black rapist. Right?
What we ARE saying is that a much much greater proportion of the black community are muggers and rapists compared to the proportion of muggers & rapists in the white community. If you're familiar with the statistics you would know this to be true.
You don't have to SAY, "white crimes are less evil...". My problem with you and your cohorts is that you don't bash everyone who commits the same crimes. You convienently leave evil whites out...and you say that it's because so little of the population is doing it. Let me explain something to you. When I prepare my kids for school each day I constantly worry about their safety when I'm not in their presence...not because of how many blacks commit crimes but because there are evil period looking to victimize little kids. I dont' send them out of the house warning them about the precentages. I send them to school hoping that they'll be cautious because ANYONE could hurt them. I know about the stats. I NEVER denied that.
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Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
Erica, I've explained the principle of proportionality to you 500 times. Do you want me to start with the statistics again to prove it?
I've explained to you that I know about the statistics already. I've told you that over and over and over ...and yet OVER again. But from MY perspective, I can only give you what I know to be true. All of this "Your evil is worse than MY evil" talk is tiring. I'll continue to do what I have to do to make sure that my kids are part of the solution. You do what you do best... complain, lament, compare, weigh, analyze... in the end, you're still no better than anyone else in this world. And neither am I.
You're twisting and evading the issue again.
NOBODY at JTF has said white crimes are less evil than black crimes. Where did you get that idea?
A white mugger is EQUALLY as bad as a black mugger. A white rapist is EQUALLY as bad as a black rapist. Right?
What we ARE saying is that a much much greater proportion of the black community are muggers and rapists compared to the proportion of muggers & rapists in the white community. If you're familiar with the statistics you would know this to be true.
You don't have to SAY, "white crimes are less evil...". My problem with you and your cohorts is that you don't bash everyone who commits the same crimes. You convienently leave evil whites out...and you say that it's because so little of the population is doing it. Let me explain something to you. When I prepare my kids for school each day I constantly worry about their safety when I'm not in their presence...not because of how many blacks commit crimes but because there are evil period looking to victimize little kids. I dont' send them out of the house warning them about the precentages. I send them to school hoping that they'll be cautious because ANYONE could hurt them. I know about the stats. I NEVER denied that.
erica we do bash everyone..even fellow jews.
We might dis blacks more than whites..but the reality is that we do it 89% more times than we do for whites...That, my friend, is the true definition of equality...
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You're twisting and evading the issue again.
NOBODY at JTF has said white crimes are less evil than black crimes. Where did you get that idea?
A white mugger is EQUALLY as bad as a black mugger. A white rapist is EQUALLY as bad as a black rapist. Right?
What we ARE saying is that a much much greater proportion of the black community are muggers and rapists compared to the proportion of muggers & rapists in the white community. If you're familiar with the statistics you would know this to be true.
You don't have to SAY, "white crimes are less evil...". My problem with you and your cohorts is that you don't bash everyone who commits the same crimes. You convienently leave evil whites out...and you say that it's because so little of the population is doing it. Let me explain something to you. When I prepare my kids for school each day I constantly worry about their safety when I'm not in their presence...not because of how many blacks commit crimes but because there are evil period looking to victimize little kids. I dont' send them out of the house warning them about the precentages. I send them to school hoping that they'll be cautious because ANYONE could hurt them. I know about the stats. I NEVER denied that.
Why would we bash two communities equally when their proportional levels are criminality are so different?
Does the better business bureau attack two building companies 'equally' when one builds 1 bad house out of 100 and another builds 50 bad houses out of 100?
I don't think so................
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Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
So you are saying you can do what ever you like, as long as its behind closed doors and no one sees?
I was once told that a boy in school was challenging this very religious, but worldly rabbi with crazy questions.. and he asked.. What should a man do if he is married, but he is gay.. And does not find the wife attractive.
The Rabbi , who had insisted that we have an answer for everything, had to answer ! He said, the woman can turn over - as long as she does not find that undignified/humiliating.
So.. maybe you cannot do -anything- from what he said it seems that you cannot dishonour the wife in the bedroom!
I think you`re also not meant to use condoms. And the commandment is to be fruitful and multiply, so other forms of sex would not cut it. Though I guess they would not be prohibited
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Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
So you are saying you can do what ever you like, as long as its behind closed doors and no one sees?
I was once told that a boy in school was challenging this very religious, but worldly rabbi with crazy questions.. and he asked.. What should a man do if he is married, but he is gay.. And does not find the wife attractive.
The Rabbi , who had insisted that we have an answer for everything, had to answer ! He said, the woman can turn over - as long as she does not find that undignified/humiliating.
So.. maybe you cannot do -anything- from what he said it seems that you cannot dishonour the wife in the bedroom!
I think you`re also not meant to use condoms. And the commandment is to be fruitful and multiply, so other forms of sex would not cut it. Though I guess they would not be prohibited
There's an online book about Kosher sex and it said 'unnatural sex' is permitted between a husband and wife 'occasionally' if it helps maintain romantic interest but it cannot be performed 'all the time'.
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Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
So you are saying you can do what ever you like, as long as its behind closed doors and no one sees?
I was once told that a boy in school was challenging this very religious, but worldly rabbi with crazy questions.. and he asked.. What should a man do if he is married, but he is gay.. And does not find the wife attractive.
The Rabbi , who had insisted that we have an answer for everything, had to answer ! He said, the woman can turn over - as long as she does not find that undignified/humiliating.
So.. maybe you cannot do -anything- from what he said it seems that you cannot dishonour the wife in the bedroom!
I think you`re also not meant to use condoms. And the commandment is to be fruitful and multiply, so other forms of sex would not cut it. Though I guess they would not be prohibited
There's an online book about Kosher sex and it said 'unnatural sex' is permitted between a husband and wife 'occasionally' if it helps maintain romantic interest but it cannot be performed 'all the time'.
That sounds very treif to me...
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Well it's good to follow the halakha when one is married..however, what the husband and wife do in the privacy of their home is not even Gd's business.
So you are saying you can do what ever you like, as long as its behind closed doors and no one sees?
I was once told that a boy in school was challenging this very religious, but worldly rabbi with crazy questions.. and he asked.. What should a man do if he is married, but he is gay.. And does not find the wife attractive.
The Rabbi , who had insisted that we have an answer for everything, had to answer ! He said, the woman can turn over - as long as she does not find that undignified/humiliating.
So.. maybe you cannot do -anything- from what he said it seems that you cannot dishonour the wife in the bedroom!
I think you`re also not meant to use condoms. And the commandment is to be fruitful and multiply, so other forms of sex would not cut it. Though I guess they would not be prohibited
There's an online book about Kosher sex and it said 'unnatural sex' is permitted between a husband and wife 'occasionally' if it helps maintain romantic interest but it cannot be performed 'all the time'.
That sounds very treif to me...
no comment
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IN THE FIRST PLACE, IF YOU HAVE TO ASK A QUESTION LIKE THAT TO ED, THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE A MIND OF YOUR OWN, AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE ENGAGING IN SEX!
AND, WHO THE HELL IS ED ANYWAY?
ISN'T "ED" THE TROLL WHOSE REAL NAME IS "EDDY2SHOOZ"?
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IN THE FIRST PLACE, IF YOU HAVE TO ASK A QUESTION LIKE THAT TO ED, THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE A MIND OF YOUR OWN, AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE ENGAGING IN SEX!
AND, WHO THE HELL IS ED ANYWAY?
ISN'T "ED" THE TROLL WHOSE REAL NAME IS "EDDY2SHOOZ"?
Well I hope ED is married. :::D
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Your post was not clear so that's why I was asking.
My question continues by asking how your public school system failed to reach out to your other peers? You are already a unique one amongst the people in your community because you speak intelligently and write maturely, so I'm not surprised that you concieved children within wedlock.
I'm by no means saying this is the case with all blacks, but does the typical ghettoized mother and father (if applicable) teach their children ANY values, besides the act of sex? What about respect for human life, property, manners, etc? The issue of not teaching kids about sex is part of a much more broad problem within your community, namely the lack of teaching ANY real values.
They didn't fail to reach out to my other peers. We were all taught sex ed at the same time ( my age group) and about 89% of us decided against having sex until we were mature enough to handle the consequences. The other 11% learned nothing because once their parents found out that sex ed was being taught in our school, they forbid their kids to take the class, then they did not follow through with the teaching. They closed up like clams and treated sex as if it was a bad word or a bad act. That made their children depend on sources outside of the home...unreliable sources, at that.
I believe that it's a parent's job to tell their children about sex and answer the tough questions that follow. But I also think that by saying that even when parents don't step up to the plate that qualified professionals in schools shouldn't give the information out. That's like telling the kids to go out, have sex irresponsibly and bear lots of kids in the process. You really don't give the kids a choice when you take sex ed out of the homes AND out of schools. One situation has to balance out the other when one isn't available.
This isn't only a problem in the black community. This is a national problem. Its also an international problem. I have yet to meet a parent who isn't afraid to draw pictures, explain in debth, and provide helpful information about sex to their children. I mean,with my own mom, it was really hard to get her to talkabout the birds and the bees with me. I threw her for a loop when I asked her what 'making love' was ,at 9 years old. She sat me down in her bedroom and preceded to sweat, wring her hands, go into minor descriptions about the beginning stages of sex..THEN she lost her nerve, turned on the television (where ironically "The Miracle of Childbirth" was showing on PBS) and like a puff of smoke, she was gone.
When parents can deal with the fact that when they have sex, it isn't a dirty thing, then and only then they will be comfortable enough to talk to their kids without leaving their kids confused.
Where did 89% come from? These are NOT the statistics I see in your community.
You keep on going in circles. My point was that much of your community teach NO values, including a parent's proper teaching of sex to his child. Your community has a vicious cycle of single mothers raising five kids, a high spread of STDs, and an even more alarming rate of rape. If you want me to brief you on what else goes on, a high preponderance of crime, including violent crime, drug use, etc, poverty, infant mortality. Above all, everyone seems to have horror stories of how rude groups of black men are, how loud and inconsiderate and how easy their inclinations toward violent behavior are.
Everyone is playing king of the jungle here, so again, sex education is not preventing them from acting like animals during mating season. Even if sex education is an "international" problem as you say it is (take Africa for example), you just cannot compare your communites woes to the rest of society; it just isn't as bad. Problems always occur, but not to the same degrees of intensity.
89% of the people I attended school with! See, unlike you, I can use the % and not include everyone in a race! And you dont' see ANY statistics in MY community because #1, you have never had to live there. #2. You don't know HOW MUCH of my community teaches what..you're just speculating because you don't like blacks. And guess what, black women aren't the ONLY women who happen to have relationships with future deadbeat dads. Check out Maury Povich. Give me a percentage of how many white women you see going through the same thing on that show. I NEVER EVER denied that the black community has a high rate of crime and other problems. And to tell you the absolute truth, I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself over and over and over again but this is getting pretty sickening. Arguing with you back and forth over things we fundamentally agree on doesn't make one bit of sense to me.
NOT ALL blacks are the way you described them. NOT ALL BLACK MEN behave the way you heard someone say they do. And to clear a matter up, if a child drops out of school before they get a chance to be in a sex ed class, it would really do them no good in the real world, right?
Also, you compare Africa and African Americans ALL of the time. You compare Jews to African Americans all of the time. But you never bring up some of the evil white people who do the same thing. Your mantra here is basically "It's not as bad as when blacks do it..." How insanely dumb that thought is. EVIL IS EVIL IS EVIL no matter what color, or community you live in.
I don't hate any racial group, including blacks. And I was very specific not to make generalizations in my posts. My point is that the black community has more moral problems than any other racial group, and the black community's record--THE SAME record brought up by black Congressmen and leaders in their speeches--on sexual assault, on bastard children, and on abortion is far more severe and reflects the overall low-morals trend that exists within it.
And I'm sick of you. I'm sick of your constant defending of blacks no matter how much truth is thrown at you. Is that all you know how to do?
This is where we misunderstand each other... I told you that about 89% of the people I graduated elementary school with didn't go on to to immoral things because sex ed was available. You misunderstood me by thinking I was saying that 89% of the entire community fared well. ....
Hold that thought...
(checking on dinner)...
back...
Secondly, you can best believe that the black community isn't comprised of only rapists, murderers and such. Yes the stats are staggering but I don't see you guys giving the good blacks any kind of credit for anything. Our conversations here are usually back and forth about
Some of you: "Blacks are evil"
Me:"Not all blacks are evil"
Some of you:"Well , Erica tell me what's good about the black community."
Me: "Well the black community's good culture lies in..."
Some of you: "Well, that's not good enough! What about all of the rapists, murderers, gangster rappers, bastard children"
Me: "Well, I know that exists...I'd be a fool not to but...."
Some of you: "Well why are so many blacks on welfare? "
Me: "I don't now why some blacks are on welfare, but I agree that they should get educations so that they don't have to go through that..."
Some of you:YOU ARE SUPPORTING EVIL BLACKS!!!! >:(
Does anyone read my posts all the way through; without stopping after you've read the first thing you disagree with?