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Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: Slobodan on January 02, 2017, 10:58:10 AM
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Serbia is finally arming!
We are getting as a military aid from Russia:
6 MiG-29 multirole fighters
30 T-72B3 main battle tanks
30 BRDM-2 armored reconnaissance vehicles
They are not new, but are all for free. We will only pay for general overhaul and modernisation of 6+4 MiG-s (we already have 4), and it will be a bellow market price.
They will have radars with a range of 120km, and we will buy air-to-air missiles what have a range of 80km. With them, will have one of the most capable multirole fighter aircrafts in Europe.
We had also bought 2 new Mi-17 medium multirole/transport helicopters, which have arrived couple of months ago.
We are also buying 9 new Airbus H145M light utility helicopters (6 for army, 3 for police).
Still no confirmed news on air defence systems. It seems that it will have to wait for 2018.
But there is a talk of possible 2K22 Tunguska short range, Buk M-1/M-2 medium range tactical air defence systems. And also, but not likely, FD-2000 long range strategic air-defence system. We will see.
(http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fmig29_p_04_l.jpg)
(http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.jpg)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/brdm2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Afghan_Mi-17.jpg/450px-Afghan_Mi-17.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Eurocopter_EC645.jpg/500px-Eurocopter_EC645.jpg)
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We are also getting 4 used H145M helicopters as a donation from Germany. So Army will have 10 of them.
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We will get 8 more MiG-29 jet fighters as a donation from Belarus. We will only pay for overhaul and modernization.
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If Obama's troop build up in Lituania and Poland creates hostilities with Russia that go further than words and deployments, where would Serbia stand?
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Serbia would not interfere. Besides, they (NATO) can not defeat us in a ground war. But they are welcome to try.
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We will get 8 (not 12) MiG-29s from Belarus for free, and we will pay for overhaul and modernisation. But, they are also giving us 2 divisions (2 x 3-4 batteries) of Buk air defence systems, which will also be modernised.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/af/0f/cc/af0fcc996a2ffed3d8be69185cdcdb63.jpg)
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Serbia should push Trump to sit on or support Serbia kicking out the illegal immigrants now. He beat Clinton, maybe he'll be as much of a friend if you ask as she was an enemy.
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On the IDEX internatianall Army Expo, we showed first Serbian balistic missile Shumadia with 300km range (282km in the test). Warhead 200kg.
http://defence-blog.com/news/serbia-develops-sumadija-tactical-missile-with-ranges-exceeding-280-km.html
(http://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/20170219_124436-696x522.jpg)
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Army is getting 12 Lazar 3 IFV/APC (30mm autocannon) and 12 Nora B-52 155mm SPG.
Police (Special Anti-terrorist Unit) is geting 6 Miloš 4x4 armored vehicles (12,7mm machinegun) and Gendarmery is getting 6 Lazar 3 (12,7mm machinegun).
Products of Serbian military industry.
(http://www.yugoimport.com/sites/default/files/styles/single_product_slider/public/sajt_4.jpg)
(http://www.yugoimport.com/sites/default/files/styles/single_product_slider/public/3_24.jpg)
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It would be nice if someone would make the same topic for the Israeli Army.
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It would be nice if someone would make the same topic for the Israeli Army.
Lol, that would take a while.
Israel's tech is being held back because America doesn't want Israel to make weapons, I wish they would do secret deals with Serbia and other non-goat-pimping nations, and then we'd advance past the savages in a hurry.
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This morning, jet trainer/light attack plane Super Seagull G-4 crashed in Serbia. Both pilots where killed in a crash. :(
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Super_Galeb_G-4_Serbia_%2820932748396%29.jpg/435px-Super_Galeb_G-4_Serbia_%2820932748396%29.jpg)
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New and modernized Serbian military vehicles and equipment shown. Steel 2017:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiuskEDhqbY
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New Serbian developed equipment shown at the international army expo "Partner 2017" in Belgrade.
Day 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py4U4iUQ5JQ
Day 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLpgWui4Sk
Day 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeeFmCHOO-o
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Serbian defence Minister in visit to Israel. Signed a cooperation agreement between two Ministries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p2t9O5y2vg
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You guys still have that refugee problem, though
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That is nothing. They are just passing through on their way to western Europe. And they are not refugees, they are migrants. Unless you mean Serbian refugees from occupied Serbian lands.
The real propblem are traitors that rule Serbia. They are destroying our country every day. And they are preparing in the comming months to give away Kosovo and Metohija to Albanians for good.
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You guys have the prayers from Chaim and all of JTF.
Atleast us in Israel have a right-wing enclave in the Wild West Bank.
You Euros are stuck. The governments want to destroy you all. They want to kill us truthtellers off aswell, but we can atleast exist outside the realm of law.
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Thank you.
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Good that the Serbian Army is modernizing! Glory to Serbia! May there be always alliance between Russia, Israel, and Serbia!
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Russia supports Iran and Syria. They are no friend of Israel.
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Good that the Serbian Army is modernizing! Glory to Serbia! May there be always alliance between Russia, Israel, and Serbia!
Saying Russia loves Serbia is like saying America loves Israel. You're probably fine to be with their citizens, but you're suicidal if you trust their government.
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Serbia has received 6 MiG-29. One was returned to the Russia for an overhaul. So, now we have 10 in total The ones we received are a newer versions. All 10 will be overhauled and modernised to some standard that will be (I hope) close to SMT. But maybe it will be M2. They will have long range rarads and long range air-to-air missiles, and will be amongst the most capable fighetrs in Europe.
We should receive 7 or 8 more MiG-29 from Belarus. We will see next year. I hope we get them.
But we still need strategic air defence system. S-300 or S-400 would be ideal. Without that, we can not defend your airspace from aggression.
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Saying Russia loves Serbia is like saying America loves Israel. You're probably fine to be with their citizens, but you're suicidal if you trust their government.
"Trust'' and ''Government'' are two things I don't put together in my mental lexicon, lol.
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"The Serbian Army is forged in the iron vice of war and soldered in the steel of commitment in the history of general warfare."
The Serbian Army is forged in the iron vice of war and soldered in the steel of commitment in the history of general warfare.
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"The Serbian Army is forged in the iron vice of war and soldered in the steel of commitment in the history of general warfare."
The Serbian Army is forged in the iron vice of war and soldered in the steel of commitment in the history of general warfare.
Luis Lázaro Tijerina
The greatness of the Serbian Army’s roots is one of guile and stealth in combat operations. To understand the organic methodology and experience of the Serbian Army is to know the Serbian people in their long history of struggles for self-determination and Independence going back to ancient Rome. During the epic period of wars between the Ottoman and Habsburg Empires, the Serbian people, by which I also mean its irregular armed forces, were always forced to defend their rights, their culture, and their religion against those who desired to oppress them, those who would force them to submit to a foreign culture or governmental forces that could only lead to the demise of the Serbian people.
By allowing such an oppression, the Serbian people would have been reduced to slavery and thereby destroyed their ever energetic Serbian armed forces. It was and is the Serbian land forces whose tireless and thankless task then and now is to defend their people in a landlocked country covered with fields which can be harvested and mountains which can offer protection during times of war.
And indeed, this is a country at the crossroads of Central and Southeast Europe, a gateway nation. As we know, those soldiers and officers of Serbian origins have given their lives in the thousands during the First and Second Balkan Wars, the disastrous World War I, and then through the world famous struggle of the Communist Partisans war against the Axis, fascist forces that invaded the former Yugoslavia in 1941. With the Third Balkan War and the perfidious attack by NATO air strikes against Serbia, the country then known as Yugoslavia, from March 24, 1999 to June 10, 1999 during the so-called Kosovo War.
Since that period of inter-strife - civil war in the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia -- the Yugoslav armed forces, now the Serbian Army of the Republic of Serbia, have had the creative challenge of rebuilding an army that could be the most versatile in the Balkans, perhaps in some ways even be equal to those land forces of Germany and France if correct measures are taken to insure the Serbian Army’s moderation and staunch independence from political corruption or external political manipulation from outside the army itself. The Serbian Army’s historical mission is to serve the Serbian people.
For a military theorist or military historian to give a critique of the Serbian Army, s/he must have a general understanding of the life of the great Field Marshal Baron Mihajlo Mikasinovic, who had so much influence on the lives of Serbian soldiers and Serbian civilians along the Military Frontier known as “Vojna Krajina” which was part of the former Austro-Hungary Empire.
The reader should understand Field Marshal Mikasinovic was not only from a different epoch than Josip Broz Tito who guided to the best of his ability the Partisans against the military Axis forces in Yugoslavia during World War II, but unlike Marshal Tito, Mikasinovic was not a revolutionary but a professional soldier and therefore pragmatic in utilizing the Serbian soldiers under his command.
Therefore we see the dialectical transition from colonized Serbian soldiers to those troops and officers who lived through the partisan war era up to the partisan forces who helped forged the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia are of different military hues, although both chronicles of such Serbian military history should be understood and analyzed in order to see a clearer vision of a modern Serbian Army.
In his monograph on Mihajlo Mikasinovic, the author Djuro Zatezalo wrote of the Field Marshal:
As an officer he meted out the strictest justice. He despised sycophants and respected only true merit. His sharp gaze frightened every rogue, but towards a soldier who conscientiously executed his duties, his facial expression would soften and his gaze became warm. He was extremely hardworking and committed to his job, executing his duty accurately and in a timely fashion. He was a real father to his soldiers; the strictness of their tasks kept them content and challenged. His adjutant ate lunch at the same table as Mikasinovic, indicating that he worked closely with his officers. He talked with the soldiers and aided and encouraged them in situations when they truly needed it.
Such a description of the Serbian Field Marshall of the 18th century is important, because although that era's methods of warfare no longer exist, it is the military character, the culture essence of a Serbian officer in past military history that should not only be studied but implemented with the overall character of the modern Serbian officer in the Serbian Army. Although the Serbian Army was
codified in 1838 as an army of the Serbian people, it has gone from being a irregular type of army dating back to the 18th century to being a more advanced modern military force in practice and theory during the Partisan Resistance Movement in World War II, only to deteriorate as an effective fighting army after the end of the Third Balkan War.
With the implementation of the Serbian Army currently composed entirely of professionals and volunteer troops after the end of mandatory military service in 2011, I would suggest much is lacking in terms of professional and cultural élan within the troop echelons and in some sectors of the Serbian officer corps. My reasoning: class antagonism between those who ‘volunteer’ and those who enter the Serbian Army because of dire economic necessity and not because of a genuine interest in the defense of the Serbian Motherland.
There are also those among the Serbian populace who because of their middle- class status or economic ties to oligarchies in Western Europe and beyond, have no desire to pursue the disciplined life and dedication that should be a part of the Serbian Army.
Such serious contradictions are to be expected and viewed as a determinant of the professionalism of the Serbian Army in both peacetime and time of war.
I would advocate that the Serbian General Staff and its officers work diligently to restore the mandatory military service obligation of Serbian men and women who come of age at 18 years, and that they serve in the Serbian Army, the Serbian Navy or Serbian Air Force for at least two years.
I would also encourage giving Non-Commissioned Officers (NCOs) within the current Serbian Army more opportunities to enroll in officer training schools. Historically, it has been the ordinary Serbian worker, as well as the rural Serbian male and female, that have shown themselves to be stalwarts in time of war.
It would behoove the leadership of the Serbian Army to review the works of Von Clausewitz for an ongoing deep analysis of the progress of the Serbian Army, as well as a further understanding of profound professional self-criticism.
I would say that Von Clausewitz explains in high military theory what I have advocated on a practical level, when he writes: “To be imbued with the spirit and essence of this profession, to train, to rouse, to assimilate into our system the powers which should be active in it, to apply our intelligence to every detail of it…- that is the military virtue of an army in the individual”.
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Detailed to a specific degree in the Belgrade, October 2009 paper “DEFENSE STRATEGY OF THE REPUBLIC OF SERBIA," defense of the internal integrity of Serbia lay with its continuation of both peaceful and violent agitation against the opportunistic behavior of those in Kosovo wishing to foment terroristic violence or to manipulate Western European powers, as well as the erratic military impulsiveness of the United States, to wage a conflict with Serbia over the so-called “separatist aspirations”. Although the defense strategy paper is now dated, it still relevant to some degree concerning how the Serbian Army Chief of Staff may view the mission of the Serbian Army vis-a-vis the nation-state, to which I refer as Serbia’s domestic and foreign policy agendas in the 21st century.
At the present juncture of world history, we live among thriving and dangerous oligarchies not seen since the time of the Peloponnesian War. Many of the nation-states in Europe including the nation-state rivals of Russia and the United States are imbued with the deadly combustion of organized crime and religious fanaticism, multiplied by incendiary national extremism. The October 2009 paper on Serbian defense strategy published in Belgrade articulates this key statement: “From the standpoint of security risks and threats the Republic of Serbia is facing, what is particularly important is the link between terrorism and all forms of organized, transnational and cross-border crime.”
However, I would submit there is an underlying adversary outside the “forms of organized, transnational and cross-border crime”, which are the mercurial and predatory interests of the United States. Furthermore, should NATO -- which would include a vast number of American troops, American armored units and American air force units -- eventually attack the territory of Russia, it would insure that Serbia be neutralized in order that the Serbian Army could not cut through the underbelly of Western Europe, that is, through the corridor of Southeastern Europe.
In other words, the forces of NATO would strategically want to protect its southeastern flank if it decides to enter into an act of war with Russia or give a dramatic rationale for coming to the military aid of the Ukraine should a friction of war between Russia and the Ukraine become a fait accompli and not merely a propaganda threat.
Underlying the sincere desire of the Serbian Army leadership to preserve the way of life of Serbian culture and its heritage within its armed forces, there was a naïve liberal initiative in 2010 of a Serbian military delegation that met with American military officers of The multi-service U.S. Army War College (USAWC) Traveling Contact Team (TCT) in Belgrade.
What was discussed was the transformation of the Yugoslavian National Army (JNA) to a bourgeois and democratic Serbian Army, although such a term as “bourgeois and democratic” would not be in the lexicon of modern Serbian Army codex, although the reality is that military class issues were on the agenda in terms of a coded language such as “The major challenges the SAF face are the abolition of general conscript duty, the rebalancing of the force to reflect the desired officer/NCO/enlisted/civilian ratios, development of a modern professional military education system, and the achievement of social status improvement for SAF personnel”.
In an attempt to be strategically creative, the then-leadership of the Serbian Army attempted to reach out to the United State military leadership that ironically had helped NATO in punishing the Serbian Army during its conflicts during the Third Balkan War. In its weakness - from my perspective - the Serbian military leadership signaled to the U. S. military leadership to help Serbia to find a modern way to create a more formidable and democratic army, instead of looking critically at its own cultural history of warfare. This kind of liberalization can only lead to further disruption and lack of military continuity, like bringing in a Trojan horse to placate the Serbian people for mistakes made in the Third Balkan War.
Furthermore, there have been mixed signals consciously or otherwise concerning the Serbian State leadership in joining the European Union which would be a de facto membership in NATO. According to Serbian geopolitics expert Dragana Trifkovio, “[...More than] 80% of Serbian citizens are opposed to any cooperation with NATO, especially in the light of the Alliance's air strikes on civilian and military targets in the country back in 1999”.
Thus, from a conscientious military perspective in terms of a lucid and technical strategy based on theory and practice congruent with the Serbian Army’s history, one could question the wisdom of the Serbian military leadership to enter into such a reaching-out to a former adversary such as the United States whose history is entrenched in endless wars. In such a conscientious matter as the study and application of military theory, it should be understood that one should play the game of neutrality in a strict form and not attempt to play off competing adversaries for one’s benefit.
In the year 2017 there seems to be a more realistic and pragmatic approach to its historical ally Russia that harkens back to the days of Serbian Field Marshal Mihajlo Mikasinovic and the Seven Years War - when Austria with its precarious situation in the Seven Years War gave rooms for the Serbs to move closer to their natural ties with Russia. As the world enters regional conflicts in the Middle East and mounting terrorism on the continent of Europe including Great Britain and the United States, the Serbian State and the Russian State are beginning to again have a realistic approach to a strategic alliance, although it needs to be strengthened deeper and with more delicacy in terms of combat maneuvers between the two countries and with Serbian officers going as observers or as advisors in support of the Donetsk People's Republic in the Donbass region.
Recently, the Russian State has shown a more serious desire to help in the rejuvenation of the Serbian Army.
The Serbian Defense Minister Djordjevic stated, according the Associated Press, that the "jets, tanks and fighting vehicles — donated from Russian arms reserves for free — will be 'fully modernized and refurbished' in Serbia by Russian technicians for an undisclosed sum. It is estimated that the overhaul of the MiGs alone would cost Serbia some 200 million euros ($216 million.)”. The Serbian military leadership -- I am sure -- welcomes the “free” Russian arms reserves, but at the same time, the Serbian military leadership and the Serbian government should continue to demand an upgrade in tanks, artillery and air force jet capabilities.
I would like to conclude with a cultural/philosophical-military view of the Serbian soldier as an embodiment of the national character in a time of war. I would hope this is a more subtle, resonant, and eloquent account of the Serbian Army and its history of being at war. In Zatezolo’s monograph on Mihajlo Mikasinovic, from which I will now quote, two different observers give an account of Serbian soldiers in action during the War of the Austrian Succession:
In one report from 1747, an Austrian officer said of the Serbs: “… They make brave heroes in battle. They just need discipline. In addition, Prince Joseph of Saxe - Hildburghausen characterized the border soldiers like this: “Everywhere I saw people who were brave warriors, of a crude and uncertain nature, the children of poor homespun food. With effort and passion they can be made into strong men, tough and hard as an oak forest, carefree and wild, with good hearts. They are nature’s children and because of this are superstitious. They are full of feeling and enthusiasm for military honor… Their nature is fearless, and they are capable of fidelity and loyalty…”
Although such observations of the Serbian soldier in time of war may now seem outdated, nonetheless certain truths and validity of the character of the Serbian soldier remain, particularly during World War I, when the Serbian people lost thousands of men. In the words of Serbian military historian Dusan M. Babac, “Serbia paid for her great victory in the First World War in a disproportionately exorbitant manner: it is estimated she lost close to one million inhabitants, of whom about 400, 000 were conscripts and the rest civilians which accounted for nearly a third of the total population or close to 60% of the male population. No other country that participated in the Great War paid so dearly for its freedom”
Never has there been a full accounting of the thousands of deaths of Yugoslav Partisans, both men and women, who gave their lives in the First to Seventh Nazi Offensives that ranged from the attack on the “Republic of Uzice” in Western Serbia in the autumn of 1941 to the final attack in western Bosnia in the second quarter of 1944 by the Germans which failed, but which cost the Partisans under Tito great loss of life. Such is the profound tragic history of the Serbian soldiers from regular warfare to irregular warfare.
Clearly, the Serbian Army is unique in modern military history because it has the wherewithal to fight asymmetrical and symmetrical warfare that goes back to the period of the Ottoman and Austrian Empires in which the army was further developed in the modern era, including those Serbs who fought in the Spanish Civil War and whose leadership would play a vital military leadership role in the Partisan war against Nazi Germany in their own country of Yugoslavia. The Serbian Army is forged in the iron vice of war and soldered in the steel of commitment in the history of general warfare.
The creativity of the Serbian Army's overall mission should always take into account its historical past and not allow itself to be fooled by contemporary alliances that can change like the temperament of a wind in springtime. Serbian military leadership should continue to find its place in the modern military era by concentrating on its historical roots, when formulating creative tactics and strategy that correspond to the Serbian national character regarding the nuances of preparation for war while always desiring to maintain the peace within the natural territory of Serbia.
https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/modern-serbian-army-and-art-war
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Serbian Army soon to receive first batch of modernised 2K12 Kub air defence systems. Modernised domestically by Military Technical Institute and Yugoimport SDPR.
http://defence-blog.com/news/serbia-set-upgrade-kub-mobile-surface-air-missile-systems.html
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I hope Serbia can get Kosovo, its Judea and Samaria, back soon.
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It is more likely that we will loose it for good. Traitors are ruling Serbia.
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It is more likely that we will loose it for good. Traitors are ruling Serbia.
Well, you know what happens to traitors if they don't change their ways, eventually, in this life or the world to come. Serbia will survive brother, and will get Kossovo back too.
(http://myocn.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kosovka_devojka-websize.jpg)
Some still remember.
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Srebia made a contract for selling 24 Nora B-52 self-propelled howitzers and 6 BOV M16 Miloš armored transporters to Cyprus, an EU country.
Those are products of Serbian militay industry.
Nora B-52 is already operated by armies of Bangladesh (18 pcs), Kenya (6), Myanmar (36). BOV M16 Miloš is curretly only operated by the Serbian Gandarmery.
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Soko G-4 Super Galeb single-engine advanced training and light attack jet crashed near the village of Kovacica, about 40 km north-east of Belgrade, on 11 April.
A Serbian Armed Forces Flight Test Centre pilot was killed and a second injured after ejecting from the aircraft.
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Belarus donated 4 MiG-29 jet fighters to Serbia. They will receive an overhaul and modernisation.
It was supposed to be 8. Then there where talks in the media about 6. And at the end only 4.
After we receive them, we will have 14 MiG-29, 2 short of the full squadron (which is 16 by our standards).
Croatia will buy 12 F-16 Barak from Israel. Those jets have better avionics than what our MiGs will have.
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Belarus donated 4 MiG-29 jet fighters to Serbia. They will receive an overhaul and modernisation.
It was supposed to be 8. Then there where talks in the media about 6. And at the end only 4.
After we receive them, we will have 14 MiG-29, 2 short of the full squadron (which is 16 by our standards).
Croatia will buy 12 F-16 Barak from Israel. Those jets have better avionics than what our MiGs will have.
They "donated" them? In exchange for what?
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They are our brothers. It is a real donation.
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They are our brothers. It is a real donation.
Guess I'm used to American "foreign aid" to Israel. yYou say "real donation" and I'm still like "really?".
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Guess I'm used to American "foreign aid" to Israel. yYou say "real donation" and I'm still like "really?".
Yes, a lot of the Anti-Israel, Anti-Jewish types talk about all the ''aid'' Israel gets from the US, when most of it i've heard is locked into buying American military equipment to enrich the US military industrial complex, an indirect transfer via Israel from the American taxpayer to the American defense contractors. It's good the Belarus is helping Serbia, actual help, when Belarus is poor and under pressure too.
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Srebia allegedly made a contract for selling 24 Nora B-52 self-propelled howitzers and 6 BOV M16 Miloš armored transporters to undisclosed EU country.
It seems that the undisclosed EU country is Cyprus. Not confirmed.
EDIT: Yup,Cyprus.
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Serbia Army is getting 6 Pterodactyl / Wing Long UCAVs.
Serbia would acquire six unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) from China, including two Chengdu Aircraft Industry Wing Loong II medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) UCAVs. According to media, the UAVs will be assembled locally in Serbia using Chinese-supplied technology.
“The technology transfer will provide the Serbian defence industry with the capability to integrate complex electro-optical (EO) systems into indigenously developed UAVs capable of conducting battlefield surveillance day and night, transmitting target co-ordinates and providing artillery fire control, and targeting with laser-guided bombs and rockets launched from ground-based platforms or UCAVs,”
https://www.janes.com/article/83256/serbia-confirms-procurement-of-chinese-uavs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIG_Wing_Loong
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We are also getting four Mi-35 helicopter gunships and four Mi-17 transport helicopters.
(http://www.army.cz/images/id_6001_7000/6532/mi24_1.jpg)
Mi-35
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Mi-17
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Serbia holds the largest military exercise in the last 40+ years, "The Century of the Victorian 1918- 2018", to mark 100 years of the great victory of the WWI.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811101069689357-serbia-drills-troops/
The exercises where held on 10 different locations in Serbia simultaneously, with total of over 8.000 troops, 645 military systems, including 100 tanks, 100 IFV, 100 artilery and air defence systems, various aircraft and other systems.
Foto and video galery: http://www.mod.gov.rs/eng/13297/vojna-vezba-vek-pobednika-1918-2018-13297
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When Europe is attacked, the transgenders in the gutted militaries of Western Europe won't be able to do a thing. At least the East likes living.
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Serbia receives 4 more MiG-29 fighter jets from Belarus
https://thedefensepost.com/2019/02/25/serbia-receives-4-more-mig-29-fighter-jets-from-belarus/
They where donated, and will be overhauled and modernised in 2 stages. First stage will be complete at the end of this year and will reach the same standard of modernisation as the 4 MiG-29s that we already had. In the second stage all of our 14 MiG-29s will be modernised to standard that will elevate them to 4+ generation.
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6 Nora B-52 SPGs entered active service in Serbian Army.
(http://www.novosti.rs/upload/thumbs/images/2019//03/29/nora-(1)_620x0.jpg)
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Based on the latest information, MiG-29s of the Serbian Air Force will have N019M1 radars.
N019M1 This latest radar upgrade proposal from Phazotron retains the antenna and transmitter block assemblies but replaces pretty much all the rest of the radar. It introduces new fully programmable digital processing, giving 30-50% greater range in air-to-air search and track. Greatly improved true Track-while-scan mode, with the ability to continue volume search for new targets while tracking 10. 4 targets can engaged at once with R-77 missiles. 4 different close combat modes are available. Has raid assessment mode, and target class recognition. Air to surface modes include Real beam, DBS, SAR (5x5m), and moving target detection. Can handoff target data to the Kh-31A/Kh-35A anti-shipping missiles. Allows target handoff to TV guided weapons. Collision alarm system. It is being touted as a low cost upgrade for existing MiG-29 operators.
http://toad-design.com/migalley/index.php/jet-aircraft/mig29/mig29-n019-radar/
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Serbia Military-Police parade 2019. "Defence of Freedom"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3viPKobVqI
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Military exibit in Belgrade - Partner 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-QOG3XcRf0
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Four Russian-made Mi-35 and three Mi-17 military transport helicopters arrived to Serbia.
https://tass.com/world/1074014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrsjUAw4D-c
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First 3 out of 6 Pantsir-S1 air defence systems have arrived to Serbia this week.
(https://www.novosti.rs/upload/thumbs/images/2020//!Hitni-slucajevi/08-Pancir-foto-MOrf_620x0.jpg)
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First 3 out of 6 Pantsir-S1 air defence systems have arrived to Serbia this week.
(https://www.novosti.rs/upload/thumbs/images/2020//!Hitni-slucajevi/08-Pancir-foto-MOrf_620x0.jpg)
Ouch, that's an 88 mil price tag. Why the hell is Trump's admin threatening Serbia over this? Bunch of a-holes. They cry for years that the rest of Europe isn't doing anything to arm up, when one does and gets an anti-aircraft system, they want to sanction you? Any Americans know what the stick up the butt of this special envoy is there for?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/serbia-pantsir-s1-defense-system-serves-as-deterrent/1743805
Serbia: Pantsir-S1 defense system serves as deterrent
Purchase of system sends message that no one can ‘talk to Serbs by force,’ says defense minister
Talha Ozturk | 25.02.2020
Serbia: Pantsir-S1 defense system serves as deterrent Serbian Defence Minister Aleksandar Vulin
BELGRADE, Serbia
The Pantsir-S1 air defense system serves as a deterrent, Serbian Defense Minister Aleksandar Vulin said Monday.
Vulin’s comments come after Serbia on Saturday received the first of six shipments of the anti-aircraft defense system under an agreement signed with Russia in late 2019.
President Aleksandar Vucic emphasized that with the delivery of the system, Serbia continues to strengthen its ability to remain militarily neutral.
Serbia is currently the only country with such a system in the region.
Vulin told the media that the purchase of the Pantsir-S1 system sends a message to both friends and foes that no one can “talk to Belgrade by force.”
"Pantsir is a serious anti-aircraft system, but the main purpose of our army is deterrence. You prepare yourself for the worst during peacetime, not when the worst happens,'' he said.
Vulin also announced that on April 23, the Army of Serbia Day (VS), they will exhibit everything new in the military.
Meanwhile, NATO expressed support for Serbia’s move.
"Serbia has the right to freely choose its political and security arrangements. NATO and Serbia are close partners, and we are committed to strengthening our partnership with Serbia with full respect for its policy of neutrality," the military alliance said in a statement to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.
But Matthew Palmer, the U.S. special representative for the Western Balkans, warned Serbia earlier that the purchase of Russian weapons "poses a risk" of U.S. sanctions.
Serbian emphasized then that the missile system is a guarantor of long-term peace in the region.
According to Serbia, the missile system will be used to protect critical points such as airports and command and contact centers from possible attacks by both manned and unmanned aircraft as well as helicopters.
The Pantsir S-1 was exhibited alongside Russian S-400 missile systems during a military exercise in Serbia in October.
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I think it is more because of Russia, than Serbia itself. They don't want Russia to sell their weapons to anyone. But we are also buying weapons from the NATO countries. We bought 9 Airbus Helicopters H145, and 18 French Mistral light air-defence systems with (only) 50 missiles that we will integrate on our short rage air-defence system Pasars-16. They have nothing against those purchases.
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I think it is more because of Russia, than Serbia itself. They don't want Russia to sell their weapons to anyone. But we are also buying weapons from the NATO countries. We bought 9 Airbus Helicopters H145, and 18 French Mistral light air-defence systems with (only) 50 missiles that we will integrate on our short rage air-defence system Pasars-16. They have nothing against those purchases.
You think they'd put some kind of pressure against you like this if you bought from Israel?
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I don't think so. But you never know.
We only bought small UAVs from Israel (Orbiter, 10 pcs), some 10 years ago. And some small arms like Uzi and Jericho 941. Unfortunatelly that is all.
Serbia has declared itself to be "militay neautral" country. The parlament has voted this too, about a month ago. So we try to conduct military drills and trade with everyone.
List of military equipment used by our military (shows the countries of origin): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Serbian_Armed_Forces
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I don't think so. But you never know.
We only bought small UAVs from Israel (Orbiter, 10 pcs), some 10 years ago. And some small arms like Uzi and Jericho 941. Unfortunatelly that is all.
Serbia has declared itself to be "militay neautral" country. The parlament has voted this too, about a month ago. So we try to conduct military drills and trade with everyone.
List of military equipment used by our military (shows the countries of origin): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Serbian_Armed_Forces
Probably wouldn't do it openly anyways.
Wish Serbia had allies that'd help them return the muslim invaders to sender instead of having to be neutral the the neutered NATO and crazy Russians.
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Serbian president announced that Serbia will buy weapons from Israel:
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Serbian-pres-tells-Post-he-plans-to-buy-weapons-from-Israel-619454
Vučić said the Serbian purchase of weapons from Israel will “not be a small delivery.”
Very nice!
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All 6 Pantsir-S1 air-defence systems are now delivered to Serbia, according to Army Recognition:
https://www.armyrecognition.com/march_2020_news_defense_global_security_army_industry/serbia_receives_last_pantsir-s1_gun-missile_air_defense_system.html
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Why would Serbia support Muslims like Pakistan? Don't they know from experience with Muslims in Albania and Bosnia that Muslim countries are bad?
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"Just business", as they say. We have a policy of selling military equipment to anyone who wants to buy it, without any strings attached. Pakistan wants to buy equipment from us, India doesen't. Even if Croatia or Albania would want to buy something from us, we would sell them.
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"Just business", as they say. We have a policy of selling military equipment to anyone who wants to buy it, without any strings attached. Pakistan wants to buy equipment from us, India doesen't. Even if Croatia or Albania would want to buy something from us, we would sell them.
Would you support selling to Croatia or the fake country "Kosovo" under Albanian occupation?
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Of course not.
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Serbia delivered the first 100 pieces of T-55H1 modernised tanks to Pakistan. A few years ago Pakistan bought 282 Serbia's surplus T-55 tanks, with request to be modernised by Yugoimport to H1 standard.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jpAkEFjJlpw/maxresdefault.jpg
Sorry about this. It seems to be fake news.
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Serbia extends artillery range to 40 km
A Serbian-developed NORA-B52 M15 155 mm/52 calibre 8×8 wheeled self-propelled gun-howitzer and LRSVM M18 Modularni Oganj (Modular Fire) multiple rocket launcher (MRL) have achieved a range of 40 km during live firings.
https://www.janes.com/article/95868/serbia-extends-artillery-range-to-40-km
Before this, we had to do the testing in other countries, because we didn't have enough space to do it in Serbia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URx1d7zpVwk
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Modernized BVP M80A.
Old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BVP_%D0%9C80%D0%90_VS.jpg
Modernized: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbdtSvJOU_Q
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Tanks are pretty. Neuroscience is the future of weapons, however. The things I know and have heard of change everything. Robotics will have a role as well, but why have an army at all if in a moment you can make every enemy see their brothers as you charging them with a spear?
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Because that is science fiction.
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Because that is science fiction.
Not any more. You need whole headsets and stuff for the moment, but with the 5g you can transmit enough information to just a chip in someone's head to pull it off. Of course, the goal is simply waves.
Also, that's just the aim, there are current applications. From a distance of several miles, you can transmit neurological signals that will cause depression and ultimately demoralize an entire target group instantaneously. Essentially it triggers your brain to withhold dopamine excessively and release other chemicals that will quite simply make you sad. Since morale wins battles (not so much since ac-130 gunships, but vs. someone other than America still) massive military advantage from that.
Under development, and in need of funding isn't the same as science fiction. More than 10 years ago they developed a headset that allows researchers to control you. You press forward, and you simultaneously feel the greatest physical and emotional pain to stay still, while even the thought of moving forward is rewarded with massive dopamine. It isn't perfect, I can resist it with some effort and pretty easily when lying down, the pain tastes good, but all the nerds couldn't help themselves. That you can put in a chip now. Once as that can be transmitted, a big army is a big liability, unless you're in the new weapons race too.
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I really don't know where do you get that info from. You are saying that enemy will implant a chip into every single of our soldier's brain (without themknowing of course), and then it will transmit some signals to it to disable them. Please...
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Modernised 2S1 Gvozdika: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH0leNkatvg
Intergated FCS (Fire Control System).
New navigation system.
Range increased by 38%.
Rate of fire (indirect fire) is notw 4 times higher.
MRSI ability (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact with 4 rounds, later will be able to do 6).
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I really don't know where do you get that info from. You are saying that enemy will implant a chip into every single of our soldier's brain (without themknowing of course), and then it will transmit some signals to it to disable them. Please...
At the moment, with the chip there's very little practical application, you can only affect one solider at a time that you could have just killed in the first place when you put the chip in. It becomes a weapon of mass destruction when you can transmit the same signals the chip sends to your brain over waves. 5g isn't really a solution for now, because despite it having the bandwidth to do so, you basically need to be within a few hundred feet of the transmitter or it doesn't reach. So to do what you want, you need something with the bandwidth of 5g and the range of 3g and in the first place you need to be able to transmit this in waves.
As such, it's the weapons development of the future, probably a good 10-20 years before it does what I said perfectly, but clearly everything changes if it works.
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Modernised Serbian main battle tank - M-84AS1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRbvcaNLNCY
Standard M-84A:
(https://www.bracaratnici.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Tenk-M84.jpg)
Modernised to M-84AS1:
(http://www.politika.rs/thumbs//upload/Article/Image/2020_06///677z381_tenk-M-84-slika-1-Foto-MO.jpeg)
http://www.politika.rs/upload/CKEditor/2020/06%20Jun/tenk-2.gif
http://www.politika.rs/upload/CKEditor/2020/06%20Jun/tenk-3.gif
http://www.politika.rs/upload/CKEditor/2020/06%20Jun/tenk-4.gif
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You can hire Israelis to put some cute mods on those puppies. They're adorable though. One day a bunch of illegals running out of Kosovo away from them.
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People say that we are buying 300 pieces of Trophy APS from Israel for our tanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)
I don't know if it is true, but ou President did say when he visited Israel that we will be buying a significant weapons package from Israel.
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Even if I was the expert 5 minutes ago they could have developed everything new and better already. Always something there for it.
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M84AS1(English): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ZAYts-Oyk
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Serbian Army received first 6 pcs of armed UAVs CH-92A.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x3PNkKx6lI
(https://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2020//07/04/Tan2020-7-4_1000371_3.jpg)
(https://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2020//07/04/Tan2020-7-4_9594565_2.jpg)
(https://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2020//07/04/Tan2020-7-4_105234596_0.jpg)
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Serbia bought 3 batteries of Chinese medium-range air defence system FK-3.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y_hznRsRxr0/VGXGIu4PD2I/AAAAAAAAkfg/j8m4AxNt78U/s1600/China%2BFK-3%2BMedium%2BTo%2BLong%2BRange%2BAir-Defense%2BSystem%2Bchina%2Bexport%2Bpakistan%2B(1).jpg)
It has a horisontal range of 5km to 100 km and vertical range from 50 m to 27 km.
This is the highest range and the biggest capability air defence system Serbia has ever had. Order made and payed in 2019. Still not known when the delivery is.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_august_2020_global_security_army_industry/serbia_plans_to_acquire_chinese_fk-3_air_defense_missile_systems.html
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/serbia-s-new-chinese-hq-22-missile-system-to-revolutionise-air-defence-capabilities
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Serbia was about to have a military exercises in Belarus, with Belorusian and Russian army. EU peasants where insulted by this and started pressuring Serbia not to do it, so Serbia decided to stop all military exercises and activites with everyone in the next 6 months. >:(
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Serbian MiG-21 fighter jet crashes near village during routine flight. Both pilots where killed in a crash.
MiG-21 was made in 1986,last overhauled in 2016. Was fully functional before take off. Pilot did not catapulted, but steered the plane away from a house, crashed in the backyard.
Only 2 MiG-21s are (where) in active service for training. Others are retired.
https://www.rt.com/news/501651-serbian-fighter-jet-crash/
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Joint action 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRkPSh5N-2k
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Joint action 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRkPSh5N-2k
You people have all this good material and are level 1 in your propaganda. Cut out the scenes that drag for more than 5 secs unless they're really pretty, put some inspirational music made by some serbian and write who under the movie so your 2-4% of viewers research him, and now you have people watching the same thing and screaming awesome in all languages. And make that early scene with the missiles with tracers firing and it'll be great.
I would have beaten the cameraman with the stand if he gave me this too, like "see everything's in the shot", but the explosions and interesting bits are often in the corners, and like you can zoom when it's going boom and no one wants to see the vehicle sitting for the duration. Cameramen are artists and not accountants. Can be salvaged for a kickass 5 minute propaganda film if you give it to a video editing guy not related to the cameraman. You could probably do it and the army would give you a smiley sticker if you show them before posting it.
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You are right. I was watching the whole thing live, and the cameraman was making the mistakes you meantioned. For example, it showed modernised tank for a few seconds, and then moved the shot to the non-modernised tanks to the right, and filmed them for longer. Very stupid.
But it was the Serbian state television filming the exercise, not the military. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjpaqSNFE0
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You are right. I was watching the whole thing live, and the cameraman was making the mistakes you meantioned. For example, it showed modernised tank for a few seconds, and then moved the shot to the non-modernised tanks to the right, and filmed them for longer. Very stupid.
But it was the Serbian state television filming the exercise, not the military. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjpaqSNFE0
Probably a communist. Lol.
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No joke. There are a lot of old commies here, we still can't get rid of them. And all that horrible commie "nostalgia" and "heritage" that is still embedded into some people and in the system too. It is a real handicap.
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No joke. There are a lot of old commies here, we still can't get rid of them. And all that horrible commie "nostalgia" and "heritage" that is still embedded into some people and in the system too. It is a real handicap.
Well in general the chance of one being for a communist and working for state media in a free country is above average.
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Night live firing exercise Lightning Strike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpv-NeT1tc
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Final day of Lighting Strike exercize: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d80rxEyvFUU
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"Serbian military strength to be significantly increased and changed withing the next 9 months."
President of Serbia, 27.06.2021.
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At begining of the year, Serbia received 4 MiG-29 from Belarus. It was a donation, of their used planes. We paid for overhaul and first phase of modernisation in Belarus.
Serbia now fields 14 MiG-29 (11 single seater, 3 dual seater - for training). That is the bare minimum for a single squadron.
All single seaters will be modernised further, in the second phase of modernisation.
Even when second phase of modernisation is complete, we will still be behind Croatia (who will get 10 + 2 Rafale F3-R, far more advanced fighters), Hungary who is leasing 12 Gripen C/D (a lighter but again far more advanced than our 29s) and Bulgaria (who is buying the latest variant of F-16V Block 70, far more advanced than our MiGs).
At least we are no longer enemies with Hungary, since 2013.
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Serbia to buy Spike LR2 anti-tank missiles from Israel.
https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Spike-LR2.pdf
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BARS-2021, a joint aviation exercise with Russia, kicked off in Serbia
"The Russian-Serbian exercises "Bars" (Brotherhood of Aviators of Russia and Serbia) are annual and are held alternately on the territory of the two countries. This year they started on October 11 in Serbia and will last until the 16th. They involve MiG-29 aircraft and Mi-8 and Mi-35 helicopters of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of Serbia."
https://en.topwar.ru/187951-v-serbii-startovali-sovmestnye-s-rossiej-uchenija-aviacii-bars-2021.html