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The Worldwide Crisis of Islam => The Truth About Islam => Topic started by: Adrian Wainer on April 22, 2009, 04:33:02 PM
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The noble Koran is the true Word of G-d given to the Prophet Mohammad Peace be upon him. The Koran in conjunction with Hadiths of the Prophet and the pronouncements of the four judicial schools of Islam, constitute the faith. Whilst the Koran is the word of G-d, all endeavor by men being the humble creatures that they are, can only be the best interpretation of the will of Allah and must of necessity be something less than perfect and thus understanding what is the true will of Allah to the best of one's abilities and seeking to implement the message of Allah to the best of one's abilities is what Allah asks of the Muslims and that is what the true Muslim will struggle to achieve.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Adrian,
do you (as debator) believe, that the Muslim is able to understand the meaning of the quran and the sunna without a teacher?
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Adrian,
do you (as debator) believe, that the Muslim is able to understand the meaning of the quran and the sunna without a teacher?
Yes I do, If a person is a honorable and intelligent person he may seek to understand Islam from reading the Koran and examining the ahadith of the Prophet PBUH. The practical problem, is that the four judicial schools of Islam have put enormous man hours in to understanding the Koran and whilst a person may devote his entire life to understanding the Koran and the ahadith, it would be a huge task for a person to attempt and therefor one would be better to immerse oneself in the commentaries of learned scholars on the Koran and apply one's efforts to understanding the Koran and ahadith through such commentaries. Of course if on top of that the assistance of a teacher was available, that would make things considerably easier, provided that the teacher would be of a sufficiently high moral character and academic standard.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Adrian,
why do you consider Wahabism aka Salafism as a seperate religion?
They follow the deeds and works of Mohammed according to the quran and the sunna. In fact they plead to be the most exact followers of Mohammed, in a way like the Sahaba have understood him.
And the arch-quranimal Muhammed said, that the best Muslim generation would be his and the one after him and so forth.
I have never found one mistake in their interpretation of Islam.
What points can you make against them?
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Adrian,
why do you consider Wahabism aka Salafism as a seperate religion?
They follow the deeds and works of Mohammed according to the quran and the sunna. In fact they plead to be the most exact followers of Mohammed, in a way like the Sahaba have understood him.
And the arch-quranimal Muhammed said, that the best Muslim generation would be his and the one after him and so forth.
I have never found one mistake in their interpretation of Islam.
What points can you make against them?
If they merely interpreted Islam and sought to do so in an honest and scholarly fashion, even if they made mistakes and failed to see such mistakes for the mistakes that they are, because it was beyond their abilities to see such mistakes for the mistakes they are, that would not place them outside the Muslim Ummah but they do not merely interpret, they innovate new aspects and attribute them to Islam at their pleasure.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Of course if on top of that the assistance of a teacher was available, that would make things considerably easier, provided that the teacher would be of a sufficiently high moral character and academic standard.
This is a very disturbing statement. Would you say the same about a grade school teachers in the 3rd Reich teaching Mein Kampf?
The problem isnt the teachers... its the ideology of the book. Its the whole second half of the hideous book...when Muhammad's ramblings become twisted and evil. When he commands intolerance and hate.... when he calls for Jihad... and pronounces everywhere that is not Islamic shall be the house of war... when he commands death, torture, and submission to non-believers.
I'm sure that some German kids came out of their 'Mein Kampf' studies book.. and thanks to the spinning of their teacher... believed it was an ideology of righteousness. But we dont say... we can solve Naziism by making sure that all Mein Kampf teachings are done by teachers with high moral character.
No.... we identify that the ideology of the book and the man who wrote the book are evil. Nothing else is acceptable.
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Of course if on top of that the assistance of a teacher was available, that would make things considerably easier, provided that the teacher would be of a sufficiently high moral character and academic standard.
This is a very disturbing statement. Would you say the same about a grade school teachers in the 3rd Reich teaching Mein Kampf?
The problem isnt the teachers... its the ideology of the book. Its the whole second half of the hideous book...when Muhammad's ramblings become twisted and evil. When he commands intolerance and hate.... when he calls for Jihad... and pronounces everywhere that is not Islamic shall be the house of war... when he commands death, torture, and submission to non-believers.
I'm sure that some German kids came out of their 'Mein Kampf' studies book.. and thanks to the spinning of their teacher... believed it was an ideology of righteousness. But we dont say... we can solve Naziism by making sure that all Mein Kampf teachings are done by teachers with high moral character.
No.... we identify that the ideology of the book and the man who wrote the book are evil. Nothing else is acceptable.
Your arguments interesting as they are, outside the remit of this thread, the sole purpose of this thread is to establish whether Wahhabism is Islamic or not Islamic.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Wahhabiism is the purest, most devout form of Islam.
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Of course if on top of that the assistance of a teacher was available, that would make things considerably easier, provided that the teacher would be of a sufficiently high moral character and academic standard.
This is a very disturbing statement. Would you say the same about a grade school teachers in the 3rd Reich teaching Mein Kampf?
The problem isnt the teachers... its the ideology of the book. Its the whole second half of the hideous book...when Muhammad's ramblings become twisted and evil. When he commands intolerance and hate.... when he calls for Jihad... and pronounces everywhere that is not Islamic shall be the house of war... when he commands death, torture, and submission to non-believers.
I'm sure that some German kids came out of their 'Mein Kampf' studies book.. and thanks to the spinning of their teacher... believed it was an ideology of righteousness. But we dont say... we can solve Naziism by making sure that all Mein Kampf teachings are done by teachers with high moral character.
No.... we identify that the ideology of the book and the man who wrote the book are evil. Nothing else is acceptable.
Your argument interesting as they are outside the remit of this thread, the sole purpose of this thread is to establish whether Wahhabism is Islamic or not Islamic.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
What? Your comments are very arrogant.
You bring up a very disturbing opinion... and expect us to ignore it?? I shouldn't comment on your statement... because commenting on it doesn't follow YOUR guidelines? and is 'outside the remit of this thread'? Take a look any thread and you will nearly always see it going in any and all sorts of interesting directions, and we all have the courtesy and decency to allow this to happen... with rare exceptions. Drop your arrogance and understand that if you state something that is completely against the ideology of this board, we WILL comment on it.
Best and Warm Regards
Brian N.
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Brian, I am wondering about what this guy is all about more and more. When Hanna opened up a thread asking us to pray for her cat, he hijacked it and began a very bizarre discussion on cat-worship in ancient Egypt, asking Jews what they thought of it. I am wondering more and more if this Wainer bloke has a few screws loose.
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Of course if on top of that the assistance of a teacher was available, that would make things considerably easier, provided that the teacher would be of a sufficiently high moral character and academic standard.
This is a very disturbing statement. Would you say the same about a grade school teachers in the 3rd Reich teaching Mein Kampf?
The problem isnt the teachers... its the ideology of the book. Its the whole second half of the hideous book...when Muhammad's ramblings become twisted and evil. When he commands intolerance and hate.... when he calls for Jihad... and pronounces everywhere that is not Islamic shall be the house of war... when he commands death, torture, and submission to non-believers.
I'm sure that some German kids came out of their 'Mein Kampf' studies book.. and thanks to the spinning of their teacher... believed it was an ideology of righteousness. But we dont say... we can solve Naziism by making sure that all Mein Kampf teachings are done by teachers with high moral character.
No.... we identify that the ideology of the book and the man who wrote the book are evil. Nothing else is acceptable.
Your argument interesting as they are outside the remit of this thread, the sole purpose of this thread is to establish whether Wahhabism is Islamic or not Islamic.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
What? Your comments are very arrogant.
You bring up a very disturbing opinion... and expect us to ignore it?? I shouldn't comment on your statement... because commenting on it doesn't follow YOUR guidelines? and is 'outside the remit of this thread'? Take a look any thread and you will nearly always see it going in any and all sorts of interesting directions, and we all have the courtesy and decency to allow this to happen... with rare exceptions. Drop your arrogance and understand that if you state something that is completely against the ideology of this board, we WILL comment on it.
Best and Warm Regards
Brian N.
Well said!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Who in the hell says "The Prophet Mohammud, PBUH" but a Muslim? PBUH is an acronym for "Peace Be Upon Him" and I usually make it clear that "Poop Be Upon Him". I don't know but this Adrian has posted some very 'interesting/bizzare' ideas to JTF...
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I don't know but this Adrian has posted some very 'interesting/bizzare' ideas to JTF...
That would be an understatement.
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Of course if on top of that the assistance of a teacher was available, that would make things considerably easier, provided that the teacher would be of a sufficiently high moral character and academic standard.
This is a very disturbing statement. Would you say the same about a grade school teachers in the 3rd Reich teaching Mein Kampf?
The problem isnt the teachers... its the ideology of the book. Its the whole second half of the hideous book...when Muhammad's ramblings become twisted and evil. When he commands intolerance and hate.... when he calls for Jihad... and pronounces everywhere that is not Islamic shall be the house of war... when he commands death, torture, and submission to non-believers.
I'm sure that some German kids came out of their 'Mein Kampf' studies book.. and thanks to the spinning of their teacher... believed it was an ideology of righteousness. But we dont say... we can solve Naziism by making sure that all Mein Kampf teachings are done by teachers with high moral character.
No.... we identify that the ideology of the book and the man who wrote the book are evil. Nothing else is acceptable.
Your argument interesting as they are outside the remit of this thread, the sole purpose of this thread is to establish whether Wahhabism is Islamic or not Islamic.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
What? Your comments are very arrogant.
You bring up a very disturbing opinion... and expect us to ignore it?? I shouldn't comment on your statement... because commenting on it doesn't follow YOUR guidelines? and is 'outside the remit of this thread'? Take a look any thread and you will nearly always see it going in any and all sorts of interesting directions, and we all have the courtesy and decency to allow this to happen... with rare exceptions. Drop your arrogance and understand that if you state something that is completely against the ideology of this board, we WILL comment on it.
Best and Warm Regards
Brian N.
No I do not expect you to ignore it, this thread was started by me but in consultation with a member of this forum whom I reasonably have assumed to be of good standing in the forum and whom I reasonably believe would have been better able to deal with the concerns you have raised than me. One of the things which could have been done would have been to create a new thread for the concerns you have raised but before that you might reasonably have sought to establish why I made the comment which I did, which I would not have made had I established this thread just out of my own personal initiative.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Brian, I am wondering about what this guy is all about more and more. When Hanna opened up a thread asking us to pray for her cat, he hijacked it and began a very bizarre discussion on cat-worship in ancient Egypt, asking Jews what they thought of it. I am wondering more and more if this Wainer bloke has a few screws loose.
Are you a psychiatrist, by the way I had some dealings with dissidents when the USSR was going concern. One of the tricks of the State security apparatus, was to have people who voiced the opinion that, it was a possibility that State socialism was not perfect in every conceivable way, committed to psychiatric hospitals against their will, on the grounds of insanity and pump them full of drugs.
Dr Радован Караџић was a psychiatrist wasn't he?
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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The noble Koran ...
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Did you really just call the Koran "noble" ?
Sorry pal, but your beliefs are beyond the pale of Islamic doctrine, and despite your "tolerance" of the muslim nazi terrorists who really do follow Islam and your considering them "still part of the ummah" even though you consider their interpretation to be mistaken, THEY would NOT consider YOU part of the ummah in any way. If you do not go by the hadiths the Muslim scholars have established as binding and rejected those they hold are abrogated from the body of Islam, you are not following what Islam really is. But even without all that garbage, the Koran is an evil book of smut that calls for the extermination of the Jews, and Muhammad himself was a pedophile who carried out genocidal exterminations of Jews in the Arabian peninsula. How you can even give a thought to holding of this phony so-called "religion" or even your own self-styled delusional version of it, is beyond rational comprehension.
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Wahabism is brazenly cruel and real Islam, which does not goes or demands for any kind of excuses.
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The noble Koran ...
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Did you really just call the Koran "noble" ?
Sorry pal, but your beliefs are beyond the pale of Islamic doctrine, and despite your "tolerance" of the muslim nazi terrorists who really do follow Islam and your considering them "still part of the ummah" even though you consider their interpretation to be mistaken, THEY would NOT consider YOU part of the ummah in any way. If you do not go by the hadiths the Muslim scholars have established as binding and rejected those they hold are abrogated from the body of Islam, you are not following what Islam really is. But even without all that garbage, the Koran is an evil book of smut that calls for the extermination of the Jews, and Muhammad himself was a pedophile who carried out genocidal exterminations of Jews in the Arabian peninsula. How you can even give a thought to holding of this phony so-called "religion" or even your own self-styled delusional version of it, is beyond rational comprehension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdsUeq6xoY
I take it then you are not totally impressed with the wonders of Islam, the Religion of Peace? Would I be wrong, do you mind me asking what faith your are of?
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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The noble Koran ...
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Did you really just call the Koran "noble" ?
Sorry pal, but your beliefs are beyond the pale of Islamic doctrine, and despite your "tolerance" of the muslim nazi terrorists who really do follow Islam and your considering them "still part of the ummah" even though you consider their interpretation to be mistaken, THEY would NOT consider YOU part of the ummah in any way. If you do not go by the hadiths the Muslim scholars have established as binding and rejected those they hold are abrogated from the body of Islam, you are not following what Islam really is. But even without all that garbage, the Koran is an evil book of smut that calls for the extermination of the Jews, and Muhammad himself was a pedophile who carried out genocidal exterminations of Jews in the Arabian peninsula. How you can even give a thought to holding of this phony so-called "religion" or even your own self-styled delusional version of it, is beyond rational comprehension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdsUeq6xoY
I take it then you are not totally impressed with the wonders of Islam, the Religion of Peace? Would I be wrong, do you mind me asking what faith your are of?
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Islam is a gutter religion. It has stolen all its ideas from Judaism and twisted them to suit Islams perversions. There is no defense of this Islam. It is a death cult and light should be cast on it to cause it to pass away. Islam is evil and those who practice it are dead. Mohammud was a piece of excrement and should have been assasinated.
If you are a supporter of Islam you are my enemy.
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Islam is a gutter religion. It has stolen all its ideas from Judaism and twisted them to suit Islams perversions. There is no defense of this Islam. It is a death cult and light should be cast on it to cause it to pass away. Islam is evil and those who practice it are dead. Mohammud was a piece of excrement and should have been assasinated.
If you are a supporter of Islam you are my enemy.
Well you are certainly entitled to your opinions but as to whether they are fair or accurate is an entirely different matter and one point which would need to be made and that is that, if Jewish people are reasonably to protest against disgraceful behavior by, for example, Muslims and Christians against Jews, Jews should treat people of other religions with respect. Now, if people who are Muslims are being aggressive towards Jewish people, then it is perfectly correct that Jewish people would seek to defend themselves, but what I do not like is a lack of differentiation between ordinary decent people who are Muslims and vicious Islamofascist scum.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Adrian,
why do you consider Wahabism aka Salafism as a seperate religion?
They follow the deeds and works of Mohammed according to the quran and the sunna. In fact they plead to be the most exact followers of Mohammed, in a way like the Sahaba have understood him.
And the arch-quranimal Muhammed said, that the best Muslim generation would be his and the one after him and so forth.
I have never found one mistake in their interpretation of Islam.
What points can you make against them?
If they merely interpreted Islam and sought to do so in an honest and scholarly fashion, even if they made mistakes and failed to see such mistakes for the mistakes that they are, because it was beyond their abilities to see such mistakes for the mistakes they are, that would not place them outside the Muslim Ummah but they do not merely interpret, they innovate new aspects and attribute them to Islam at their pleasure.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
You mean the Sahaba made mistakes in their interpretation of Islam?
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You mean the Sahaba made mistakes in their interpretation of Islam?
There are possibilities that errors were made by the Sahaba but that is not a fundamental problem, that does not negate traditional Sunni Islam, it merely means that the interpretation of Islam will be less than perfect but this an accepted fact from the get go that whilst Islam is perfect the interpretation will always be flawed. No the problem is not with Sunni Islam, the problem is with the Wahhabis being innovators.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Who cares? Why is this relevant to this discussion of Islam being the enemy of the west? I could care less about who believes what about mohammud. It is just not important to me because all that matters is that virtually every Muslim cleric harbors innate hatred for Jews. I believe even the 'moderate' muslim has hatred in his heart for Jews. In Judaism we have no need to hate any people, but those who fulfill the role of Amalek we must wage war against. It seems in todays age that Islam is playing the role of Amalek and as a result I am very agressive against Islam. This is because of 9/11 and my brothers death in that brutal attack on America. I will never forgive OBL, nor his Saudi backers, nor his brothers and sisters occupying Israel.
I will not discuss which Islam is 'authentic' because none of it is authentic to me.
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Who cares? Why is this relevant to this discussion of Islam being the enemy of the west? I could care less about who believes what about mohammud. It is just not important to me because all that matters is that virtually every Muslim cleric harbors innate hatred for Jews. I believe even the 'moderate' muslim has hatred in his heart for Jews. In Judaism we have no need to hate any people, but those who fulfill the role of Amalek we must wage war against. It seems in todays age that Islam is playing the role of Amalek and as a result I am very agressive against Islam. This is because of 9/11 and my brothers death in that brutal attack on America. I will never forgive OBL, nor his Saudi backers, nor his brothers and sisters occupying Israel.
I will not discuss which Islam is 'authentic' because none of it is authentic to me.
Well, your argument is inherently flawed, unless you would propose the case that, Jews have no requirement to act in their own defense on the basis that, if Jews live a righteous life, G-d will strike down a would be oppressor, before he can effect harm against a righteous Jew. Are you claiming that Jews have no need to act in self defense, if they live a righteous life, as G-d will effect their defense.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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Adrian, the Wahabis go heavily after and stick to the sources of Islam. In fact this is their ideology.
Imo they have made basically an Islamic reformation, that brings them nearer to the original Islam in it's real meaning.
I do not see anything that they have added.
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Adrian, the Wahabis go heavily after and stick to the sources of Islam. In fact this is their ideology.
Imo they have made basically an Islamic reformation, that brings them nearer to the original Islam in it's real meaning.
I do not see anything that they have added.
Try vigilantism
Uthman ibn Muammar’s indifference, however, came to be sorely tested when Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab dragged a woman accused of adultery out into a public square and stoned her to death. Some report that he had, in fact, used a heavy boulder to crush her head. The action triggered widespread fury.
Non-Muslims would profess puzzlement at the villagers’ reaction. Does Islam, like Judaism, not condemn all adulterers to death by stoning?
The perception is true, but there is a caveat. Umar ibn Khattab, one of Prophet Muhammad’s close companions and a Rightly-Guided Caliph, is said to have caught a couple engaging in adulterous sex. The Quranic punishment for such behavior was indeed death by stoning, but Ali, another companion, reminded Umar that no fewer than four witnesses are required to certify guilt for such an accusation, and that if he acted without such testimony, he himself would sin. Umar abided by Ali’s advice and pardoned the couple. It must be noted here that although Umar- whose very shadow the devil was said to run away from- had witnessed the act, he had no authority to suspend Quranic laws.
Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s behavior was made worse by the fact that he was not recognized as al-Uyayna’s qadi, which was Uthman’s position. At best, the woman’s death was a product of vigilante justice, which flies completely in the face of Islam. In his book, the “The Eternal Message of Muhammad”, the late Abdul Rahman Azzam stated that an ulema “should be of mature age and a man of wisdom, enjoy popular support and be a person who draws on the…counsel of the natural leaders. But if he disobeys the commands of G-d and disregards the interests of the people, he will be repudiated.”
http://higher-criticism.com/2005/09/muhammad-ibn-abdul-wahhab_19.html
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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The noble Koran
:laugh: :::D You've gotta be kidding me, right? There's nothing noble about that filthy rag. It's greatest use is to pick up dog excrement in the yard or line a pig pen.
is the true Word of G-d given to the Prophet Mohammad Peace be upon him.
Mohammed wasn't a prophet, he was a pedophile.
The Koran in conjunction with Hadiths of the Prophet and the pronouncements of the four judicial schools of Islam, constitute the faith. Whilst the Koran is the word of G-d, all endeavor by men being the humble creatures that they are, can only be the best interpretation of the will of Allah and must of necessity be something less than perfect and thus understanding what is the true will of Allah to the best of one's abilities and seeking to implement the message of Allah to the best of one's abilities is what Allah asks of the Muslims and that is what the true Muslim will struggle to achieve.
So tell me Adrian are you a Muslim? Wahhabism is one of the purest forms of Islam; its terrorist, evil nature is its essence.
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The noble Koran
You've gotta be kidding me, right? There's nothing noble about that filthy rag. It's greatest use is to pick up dog excrement in the yard or line a pig pen.
Well, if you wish to gratuitously insult a book, from the anonymity of the internet, which is deemed to be the word of G-d by millions of people, who are also thoroughly decent people this is your right. Just because a person has a right to do something, that does not mean it is proper to exercise that right. Furthermore, I would respectfully suggest that you do not show proper respect to the confederacy by displaying a confederate flag, whilst making such remarks. Would you be happy for people to speak like that about the Torah?
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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The flag in my signature reflects my culture and values associated with fighting against unfair taxation and for moral principles. It's also in my signature because I'm proud of the heritage I have of Southern people.
The Qu'ran is against everything moral and right. The Qu'ran stands for tyranny. The Confederate soldiers fought against what was seen as tyranny. If I ever meet you in person I'll tell you what a trash book the Qu'ran is to your face, as I have to others.
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The flag in my signature reflects my culture and values associated with fighting against unfair taxation and for moral principles. It's also in my signature because I'm proud of the heritage I have of Southern people.
The Qu'ran is against everything moral and right. The Qu'ran stands for tyranny. The Confederate soldiers fought against what was seen as tyranny. If I ever meet you in person I'll tell you what a trash book the Qu'ran is to your face, as I have to others.
To say a book is a thrash book is a rather different thing to suggesting using it to pick up dog excrement. That is the sort of attitude that the Communist bandits in the PRC had to ancient and venerated Chinese and Tibetan religious sites and artifacts, when it launched in to an orgy of destruction during the so called cultural revolution.
Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
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It can be somewhat a valued book only if written in the Rongo-Rongo or the Indus Valley Script.
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According to the Qur'an and Hadith, Mohammad was a terrorist, pedophile, rapist, pirate, and mass-murderer. You can't "interpret" these things away.
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Adrian, how dare you come here and refer to the Koran as the holy Koran, and write Mohammed PBUH?
In case you haven't noticed, this is a hard core Zionist forum, and members here adamantly oppose all the shenanigans and terrorism going on the world today in the name of Islam.
Normally, we don't care what other people believe, as long as they leave Jews, Christians and other good people alone. But when the Koran is used to justify the murder of Jews, we will care very much!
So it looks like you've finally shown your true colors. Either you're a Muslim, or an Islamophile white nationalist. In any case, you're out of here.
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Is Sunni Islam a separate religion to Islam ? Are "the Muslim Brothers", "Islamic Jihad", Taliban, Hamas, and scores of other suni terrorists practicing a heretic form of Islam. Also the Sunni and Wahhabi Muslims don't consider each other as heretic.
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Adrian Wanker,
Give it up. We're not gonna be sold by your dawa. We're not a bunch of stupid little kids. We have no respect for your so-called "holy book", which according even to Islamic tradition was put together decades after the fact from scratches left on palm leaves, rocks, and camel bones. Allah sure did a good job of preserving and transmitting his "holy word"... yeah right. Try to convert somebody else.
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The koran is not holy.
Worst and cold regards,
Moshe
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The koran is not holy.
Worst and cold regards,
Moshe
THE TERRORIST MANIFESTO - By WORMS
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Adrian, I checked the link you posted about Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab.
The text is mainly about intern Islamic disputes.
Wahhab was in fact more strict with the religion than the rest of the Ulema. He fought mainly the bidda.
The Arabian ulema was angry about him, because he referred to certain customs, that they tolerated as "great shirk".
But according to the sources of Islam Wahhab was right in this issue. I.e. the prayer at graves.
Please summarize next time your points in a short text form. It is exhausting to go through pages over pages of text.
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I think the Weiner is banned so don't hold your breath waiting for his reply.
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I think the Weiner is banned so don't hold your breath waiting for his reply.
Right you are Zelhar. I banned him right after I responded to him.
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I am really curious what his background was.
I don't think he was a Muslim. He had for this too much etiquette. :::D
Althrough after what the Muslims did alone in the last ten years I think blessing the arch-quranimal Mohammed is not appropriate on this forum.
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My opinion is that the ban was deserved. He has posted some very disturbing and yet poignant things. At first I was inclined to bear with him and try to understand his position but I think that discussions of Islam should be posted in the Truth about Islam section which I really have never read because I know what I need to know about it and have no desire to know any more.
I hope that this banning is for the best.
Also that signature line, "Best and Warm Regards" began to sound hollow.
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My opinion is that the ban was deserved. He has posted some very disturbing and yet poignant things. At first I was inclined to bear with him and try to understand his position but I think that discussions of Islam should be posted in the Truth about Islam section which I really have never read because I know what I need to know about it and have no desire to know any more.
I hope that this banning is for the best.
Also that signature line, "Best and Warm Regards" began to sound hollow.
I will move it. :)
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Thank you Lisa that was a well-deserved ban.
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Wahhabism was created to protect Mecca and Medina and keep them "clean" from all infidels and all that is seen as non-clean for muzzies. Thus I would say they are some kind of organization within sunni islamism.
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Thank you, Lisa.
I really don't think I could have taken much more of 'Mr. Best and Warm Regards' polluting this forum with his trash.
It was clear he didn't belong here from his very first post, in which he stated: "Hi I'm new here, it might seem like I am being a smart donkey. But am saying the following for serious reasons.
I favor the establishment of a Palestinian State alongside the State of Israel."
At JTF we understand that the creation of a 'Palestinian' state means the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea and Samaria, and the destruction of Israel.
It's intolerable to have twits like Adrian come here and praise the Koran, Moham, and Islam - and advocate the creation of a 'Palestinian' state - while wishing us his 'best and warm regards'.
Good job, Lisa.
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Lisa,
Thank you for banning this guy.
He was really unnerving, and on top of it he was condescending closing of "Best and Warm Regards.
Thanks again, this ban was very much appreciated by me.....
ag337