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Jerusalem Post, April 16, 2008
Melbourne eatery hails leader of Nazi-allied Croatia
By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
"Melbourne's Katarina Zrinski restaurant held a celebration this past weekend to honor World War II Croatian leader Ante Pavelic, whose genocidal policies led to the deaths of 400,000 [actually over a Million, since 750,000 were killed in Jasenovac death camp alone - J.R.] Serbs, Jews and Gypsies.
The restaurant is attached to the local Croatian club.
The event honoring the head of the Croatian fascist Ustasha movement and the leader of Nazi-allied Croatia was an "outrageous affront" both to his victims and to any persons of morality and conscience who oppose racism and genocide, the Simon Wiesenthal Center's chief Nazi-hunter and Israel director Dr. Efraim Zuroff said on Wednesday.
According to local press reports, a large photograph of Pavelic was hung in the restaurant, T-shirts with his picture and that of two other commanders in the 1941-1945 Ustasha government were offered for sale at the bar, and the establishment of the "Independent State of Croatia" was celebrated.
Zuroff noted this was not the first time that Croatian émigrés in Australia had openly defended Croatian Nazi war criminals.
"It is high time that the authorities in Australia find a way to take the necessary measures to stop such celebrations, which clearly constitute racist, ethnic, and anti-Semitic incitement against Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies," he said.
About 30,000 [actually over 60,000 since Nazi Croatia included all of Bosnia+Herzegovina - J.R.] Croatian Jews - or 80 percent of the country's Jewish population - died during the Holocaust."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1208356967235
Posted by Joshua Rosenberg
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nothing new,tho i'm surprised they didn't kill a few ppl
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"i'm surprised they didn't kill a few ppl"
Why should they? The Australian government fully supports the Croatian Ustasha Nazi emigres - and has done so for decades -so of course this is "nothing new". They recently granted visas to Ustasha Nazi "singer" Marko Perkovic "Thompson", allowing him to spread his vile antisemitic, anti-Serbian Nazi filth (e.g. celebrating and glorifying the Jasenovac death camp ) masquerading as "Croatian music honoring the Croatian fatherland".
Read all about it on Jared Israel's site http://www.tenc.net
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endolge the idiots,it will only hurt them more when they "come down to earth"
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indulge the idiots,it will only hurt them more when they "come down to earth"
What are you calling all Croatians Idiots?
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indulge the idiots,it will only hurt them more when they "come down to earth"
What are you calling all Croatians Idiots?
they are very sly people :o >:(
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brate,everybody who considers them selves a croat(atleest what a croat is today)is supporiting nazism,coz Croatia is founded on nazism,Stepan Mjesic...+ He had a nice uncle,served in the croatian legion in ww2 as an officer(east front legion)
OK,there are "real" croatians,but they are veeeeeerry few,mostly they live in northren croatia,near the slovenian border,and most of them have Austro-Hungarian blood,thats how most of they'r aristocracy vanished
and i wouldn't lable a whole croup of ppl as idiots or something like that,but i would ppl who follow the same ideology that i consider idiotic,witch is only one of the words that i would describe the Ustasha as...
Don't get me wrong,you seem like a nice guy,but you can;t protect todays idea of a croatian nation,becous its upsurd...
(soz 4 my bas spelling ;) )
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brate,everybody who considers them selves a croat(atleest what a croat is today)is supporiting nazism,coz Croatia is founded on nazism,Stepan Mjesic...+ He had a nice uncle,served in the croatian legion in ww2 as an officer(east front legion)
OK,there are "real" croatians,but they are veeeeeerry few,mostly they live in northren croatia,near the slovenian border,and most of them have Austro-Hungarian blood,thats how most of they'r aristocracy vanished
and i wouldn't lable a whole croup of ppl as idiots or something like that,but i would ppl who follow the same ideology that i consider idiotic,witch is only one of the words that i would describe the Ustasha as...
Don't get me wrong,you seem like a nice guy,but you can;t protect todays idea of a croatian nation,becous its upsurd...
(soz 4 my bas spelling ;) )
I agree!
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brate,everybody who considers them selves a croat(atleest what a croat is today)is supporiting nazism,coz Croatia is founded on nazism,Stepan Mjesic...+ He had a nice uncle,served in the croatian legion in ww2 as an officer(east front legion)
OK,there are "real" croatians,but they are veeeeeerry few,mostly they live in northren croatia,near the slovenian border,and most of them have Austro-Hungarian blood,thats how most of they'r aristocracy vanished
and i wouldn't lable a whole croup of ppl as idiots or something like that,but i would ppl who follow the same ideology that i consider idiotic,witch is only one of the words that i would describe the Ustasha as...
Don't get me wrong,you seem like a nice guy,but you can;t protect todays idea of a croatian nation,becous its upsurd...
(soz 4 my bas spelling ;) )
I agree!
What you are going to start this again by calling all Croatians Nazis are you
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brate,everybody who considers them selves a croat(atleest what a croat is today)is supporiting nazism,coz Croatia is founded on nazism,Stepan Mjesic...+ He had a nice uncle,served in the croatian legion in ww2 as an officer(east front legion)
OK,there are "real" croatians,but they are veeeeeerry few,mostly they live in northren croatia,near the slovenian border,and most of them have Austro-Hungarian blood,thats how most of they'r aristocracy vanished
and i wouldn't lable a whole croup of ppl as idiots or something like that,but i would ppl who follow the same ideology that i consider idiotic,witch is only one of the words that i would describe the Ustasha as...
Don't get me wrong,you seem like a nice guy,but you can;t protect todays idea of a croatian nation,becous its upsurd...
(soz 4 my bas spelling ;) )
I agree!
What you are going to start this again by calling all Croatians Nazis are you
Is that all you have to say on this subject?
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Ok if the majority of croats aren't nazis or mazi symps. tell me one thing croats did that was good, without them profiting from it.
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Well basicaly,today if you call your self a croation and recodnise the curent croatian country,your pritty much a nazi simpatizer,or a nazi ur self,most of those croatians are Serbs,there is proof,alot of it,and yes there are "real" croats,but as i said they are verry few,or hungarian/austrian by now,and all of the history you curently calme is false,plus you guyz evin said that the Nemanic dinasty is croatan:
"Nemanjici,lijepa Hrvatska dinastia" and Nikola Tesla is croatan becous he was born in present day croatia,Jesus was born in a stable,does that make him a horse?
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Well basicaly,today if you call your self a croation and recodnise the curent croatian country,your pritty much a nazi simpatizer,or a nazi ur self,most of those croatians are Serbs,there is proof,alot of it,and yes there are "real" croats,but as i said they are verry few,or hungarian/austrian by now,and all of the history you curently calme is false,plus you guyz evin said that the Nemanic dinasty is croatan:
"Nemanjici,lijepa Hrvatska dinastia" and Nikola Tesla is croatan becous he was born in present day croatia,Jesus was born in a stable,does that make him a horse?
Just because someone considers themselves Croatian does not make them a nazi
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ofc it does,if you consider your fatherland todays croatia,ofc your a nazi,tho i forgoth,is the national anthum "Lijepa nasa" or "Danke Deutchland"? (znas sta ocu da kazem;) )
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From what I have seen it's very difficult having a Croat here on the forum and get along with him! I understand he is against Muslims and states that Kosovo is Serbia, but don't expect him to be Serbian! I think we have a problem here! please try to understand this is NOT a Serbian forum, this is a Jewish religious and righteous forum, who is on Serbian side. But primarily we all have a cause for which we fight for!
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ofc it does,if you consider your fatherland todays Croatia,ofc your a Nazi,tho i forgoth,is the national anthum "Lijepa nasa" or "Danke Deutchland"? (znas sta ocu da kazem;) )
What are you trying to make me hate my country
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From what I have seen it's very difficult having a Croat here on the forum and get along with him! I understand he is against Muslims and states that Kosovo is Serbia, but don't expect him to be Serbian! I think we have a problem here! please try to understand this is NOT a Serbian forum, this is a Jewish religious and righteous forum, who is on Serbian side. But primarily we all have a cause for which we fight for!
This is of course not a Serbian forum.
Because in a Serbian forum believe me this kind of talking would not be allowed.
You are maybe a moderator but you as a woman should not order us to much like this espacialy with out strong arguments.
You must act kind and gentile like a lady leave the autority roles and ordering to ,the men, because thats is OUR nature!
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I may be the only Croatian on this forum but i have never bashed Serbia in anyway nor have i supported the Croatian Nazis
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I may be the only Croatian on this forum but i have never bashed Serbia in anyway nor have i supported the Croatian Nazis
You supprt the broders of todays Croatia.
You support that Croatia is only a state of the Croatian people.
You have no problems with the today's state of Croatia, that is logic because you are a Croat. For you the today's Croatian government and state is a normal state. In reality Croatia is a facsist state and that is not recognized by you!
That's why you do not fit in this organization!
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I may be the only Croatian on this forum but i have never bashed Serbia in anyway nor have i supported the Croatian Nazis
You supprt the broders of todays Croatia.
You support that Croatia is only a state of the Croatian people.
You have no problems with the today's state of Croatia, that is logic because you are a Croat. For you the today's Croatian government and state is a normal state. In reality Croatia is a fascist state and that is not recognized by you!
That's why you do not fit in this organization!
I have already stated a couple of time that i know a majority of Croatia is still fascist And about 85% of Croatians are still aliened with Nazism.About me stating that Croatia is only for Croatians i will admit i said that but i later retracted that statement when i did more research on it.
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.About me stating that Croatia is only for Croatians i will admit i said that but i later retracted that statement when i did more research on it.
To avoid problems we should not allowed that members of a nation, who committed genocide against the Serbian people, become members of our forum/ organization or how do you want to call it.
Because if we allowed that you become a part of us that means that we are giving green light to Croats to be present among us. We can not control all Croats and believe me Croats had always their own spies in Serbian institutions.
For example the Yugoslavian so called anti fascist movement in Croatia, which members were only almost Serbs, had to much two faced Nazi Croats in charge, who were spying for the Ustasa movement.
Croats are two faced, smart and dangerous people!
Serbs are mostly naive and believe everybody.
That is a deathly combination.
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.About me stating that Croatia is only for Croatians i will admit i said that but i later retracted that statement when i did more research on it.
To avoid problems we should not allowed that members of a nation, who committed genocide against the Serbian people, become members of our forum/ organization or how do you want to call it.
Because if we allowed that you become a part of us that means that we are giving green light to Croats to be present among us. We can not control all Croats and believe me Croats had always their own spies in Serbian institutions.
For example the Yugoslavian so called anti fascist movement in Croatia, which members were only almost Serbs, had to much two faced Nazi Croats in charge, who were spying for the Ustasa movement.
What are going to do try and get me banned for doing nothing wrong on this forum?
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It is not necessary to ban you!
It must not become a habit that Croats become members of Serbian subforums!
Even if they represent their selves as anti fascists.
A great number of Croatian anti fascists – the partisans – from WW2 were the greatest Nazis who only changed their Ustashi uniforms into communist. They changed only at the surface. Naïve Serbs equaled those beasts with true Serbian and other (Croatian) partisans who honestly fought against Nazis from 1941!
I hope you understand what I mean.
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It is not necessary to ban you!
It must not become a habit that Croats become members of Serbian subforums!
Even if they represent their selves as anti fascists.
A great number of Croatian anti fascists – the partisans – from WW2 were the greatest Nazis who only changed their Ustashi uniforms into communist. They changed only at the surface. Naïve Serbs equaled those beasts with true Serbian and other (Croatian) partisans who honestly fought against Nazis from 1941!
I hope you understand what I mean.
I do but you have to understand i even told you in one of my post my family hate Ustashi because they did not support them and they were helping the Serbs
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From what I have seen it's very difficult having a Croat here on the forum and get along with him! I understand he is against Muslims and states that Kosovo is Serbia, but don't expect him to be Serbian! I think we have a problem here! please try to understand this is NOT a Serbian forum, this is a Jewish religious and righteous forum, who is on Serbian side. But primarily we all have a cause for which we fight for!
This is of course not a Serbian forum.
Because in a Serbian forum believe me this kind of talking would not be allowed.
You are maybe a moderator but you as a woman should not order us to much like this especially with out strong arguments.
You must act kind and gentile like a lady leave the authority roles and ordering to ,the men, because thats is OUR nature!
islamiscancer was "ordering" stuff to you as well! Now I am 'ordering" and you don't feel confortable when a woman tells you what should you do! you are very aggressive person with a lot of issues! you better resolve your problems with "orders", OK?
Because if somebody gives you hard time you are my "friend" right away and you write me PM how I am "the best" and then you suggest how X and Y should be ban because YOU can't stand him anymore! And that is EVERYTHING I have to say to you!
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@ americanhero: please ignore Dalmacija and if you are truly against Albanians and pro Kosovo is Serbia, then you are one of us and you are welcomed to fight for our cause! We will not expect you to hate your country, but you should NOT expect us to forget what Ustashe did to our fellow Jews as well! If we agree with that, then we are OK!
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@ americanhero: please ignore Dalmacija and if you are truly against Albanians and pro Kosovo is Serbia, then you are one of us and you are welcomed to fight for our cause! We will not expect you to hate your country, but you should NOT expect us to forget what Ustashe did to our fellow Jews as well! If we agree with that, then we are OK!
I agree that what they did was wrong and i support the serbs and the jews
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islamiscancer was "ordering" stuff to you as well! Now I am 'ordering" and you don't feel confortable when a woman tells you what should you do! you are very aggressive person with a lot of issues! you better resolve your problems with "orders", OK?
Because if somebody gives you hard time you are my "friend" right away and you write me PM how I am "the best" and then you suggest how X and Y should be ban because YOU can't stand him anymore! And that is EVERYTHING I have to say to you!
No, no..
Do not make it to personal.
Please we must not turn this into a personal fight.
It is not good for you to behave like this.
You are a Serbian woman you should be more kind and less cold!
You are not like this. I have a totally different picture of you and there is no problem.
Please leave those PM-issues we do not need that.
In Serbia men are dealing with politics and Serbian women had always other interests.
I do not know where you have been grow up but this is the way it goes in Serbia.
Maybe we are dealing here with cultural differences? ? ?
But I understand you I am sometimes maybe a little bit aggressive, not to much do not say that Jasmine, but believe me I am not doing it on purpose!
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"In Serbia men are dealing with politics and Serbian women had always other interests.
I do not know where you have been grow up but this is the way it goes in Serbia.
Maybe we are dealing here with cultural differences? ? ? "
I do not have anymore comments! :o
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"In Serbia men are dealing with politics and Serbian women had always other interests.
I do not know where you have been grow up but this is the way it goes in Serbia.
Maybe we are dealing here with cultural differences? ? ? "
I do not have anymore comments! :o
Nemoj tako JAsmina!
Ja tebe volim ti si dobra devojka!
Zasto uvijek moras sve da pogresno shvatis...?
Procitaj moje poruke malo pazljivije mozda ce ti stvari biti onda malo jasnije.
Ajde cao..!
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Americanhero was born in Croatia, but as he said, supports our movement and doesn't support what Ustashe did to the Jews! we need righteous people, with strong beliefs in G-d, to join our forum! I will NOT allow anyone to be destructive to our movement! That means that I will react anytime I see fights between our members, for no obvious reasons! I will ask you again DON'T FIGHT if we want to build something here!
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person with a lot of issues!
Believe me I do not care about words coming from other persons.
You can say what you want against me that is not going to make me a bad person.
Look when people do not have serious arguments they start to say thing like this.
I think that this kind of speaking is really disrespectful and I would appreciate if people would talk to each other with more respect. F
Sentences like:
“You are a traitor, you are crazy you are this you are that”
This is not making any sense and this behavior is considered as primitive and unserious behavior among people who participate in serious diplomacy for example.
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Americanhero was born in Croatia, but as he said, supports our movement and doesn't support what Ustashe did to the Jews! we need righteous people, with strong beliefs in G-d, to join our forum!
You must know that if you allowed one Croat into this forum you are giving green light to the enter of also other Croats. Maybe there are some honest and righteous Croats but you will also have to deal with Croats who will pretend to be one of them and it is very difficult to see if a person is real or is faking. To avoid that problem a smart Serbian nationalist would not allowed members of genocidal nations into their organization. This must also sound logic.
DON'T FIGHT if we want to build something here!
Please, do not see everything as a fight!
We are just debating each other and sharing different points of views.
If you see that the majority of the Serbian members is irritated by this Croats than you as a serious moderator should do something about it.
Further, you are moderator and that is great but do not let Croats fool you with their so called support for Serbia. Croatia openly recognized the false state of Kosovo and is committing a strong anti Serbian politic.
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I suggest to focus on real issues!
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Look, we have one man who supports us! I will not ask to be banned because he was born in Cro. If he says something that proves otherwise, I will ask administrators to do whatever they decide to do! But that is true for all trouble-maker members!
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I suggest to focus on real issues!
Oke,
But if somebody knows a lot of a certain subject than you must listen en respect that person!
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I may be the only Croatian on this forum but i have never bashed Serbia in anyway nor have i supported the Croatian Nazis
You supprt the broders of todays Croatia.
You support that Croatia is only a state of the Croatian people.
You have no problems with the today's state of Croatia, that is logic because you are a Croat. For you the today's Croatian government and state is a normal state. In reality Croatia is a fascist state and that is not recognized by you!
That's why you do not fit in this organization!
I have already stated a couple of time that i know a majority of Croatia is still fascist And about 85% of Croatians are still aliened with Nazism.About me stating that Croatia is only for Croatians i will admit i said that but i later retracted that statement when i did more research on it.
brate,those ppl are idealists,thats a totaly diferent thing,they are educated ppl,who know that croats and serbs are one people!
And i'll try to make clear what i said in the last few posts,You can't support kosovo and croatia in the same time,that makes you a hipocrit,what your country can take etnical serb land,kill off the serbs/banish and make it they'r own land,but albanians can't coz they'r mustlim and mabey pose a threat to the futur croatia(witch i seriusly dought,coz in the 90's shiptar centers were not on kosovo or tirana,they were in Ljubljana and Zagreb)And for those ustasha who really see no alternativ,there is a country(i never said croatia doesn't exist,i just commented its current borders)it's croatia,but in a more realistic borders,there they can have they'r ethnicly clean population and live happily ever after or what not...
And Dalmacia,i totaly disagree with ur comment on women,mabey you said it dispite jasmina or in momentary anger,but i really think women should be respected!They give birth thus giveing us the most precious gift of all,life!And mostly becous of that they don't have a chance to make a career,and thats why they need GREAT support(Blasted Democra scum(DS ) )
pozdrav i laku noc nikola
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I suggest to focus on real issues!
Oke,
But if somebody knows a lot of a certain subject than you must listen en respect that person!
Of course I will respect that person! :) That is true for you, too! :)
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And Dalmacia, I totally disagree with ur comment on women, maybe you said it despite Jasmina or in momentary anger, but I really think women should be respected! They give birth thus giving us the most precious gift of all, life!And mostly because of that they don't have a chance to make a career, and thats why they need GREAT support
Thank you Nikola! I don't care about people who doesn't want to begin to understand why women can have their successful career, can be strong and could stand behind what they say and why they can be involved in different areas then kitchen!
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But if somebody knows a lot of a certain subject than you must listen en respect that person!
Unless that person is being truly disrespectful to someone they are supposed to have an alliance with. DALMACIJA, you are a good man. We all have respect for you. But you can't expect someone to listen to you if you tell them you can't respect them because they are a woman - especially when we are the ones who put her here because she does a wonderful job. The Torah tells us that we should be wise and word things in a way that people can accept and to be kind to one another.
If it wasn't for very courageous women in the Torah, there would be no Jewish people today. If it wasn't for women bringing more civility towards men, we would be in a terrible position and the world would be a very dark place. Men, on average, are more aggressive, conquering, and physically stronger... but women, on average, are more kind, sensitive to others, and read social situation about 10 times that of most men. They also have our children, teach us in school, make excellent doctors and scientists, and the list goes on and on... there is absolutely no reason to be disrespectful of someone because they are a woman.
Please DALMACIJA, we have to be united if we want to become a mass movement. This type of fighting only hurts us... it hurts JTF.
Also, let Americanhero have his say. He seems to be one of the very few people born from that region that love the Jewish and Serbian people. Remember that in every horrible culture (and nazis are HORRIBLE and DESPICABLE), there are a few good souls that Hashem puts there. For the record, it is completely understandable to have distrust. I don't think any of us, not even Americanhero, would have trouble understanding this. It's reasonable and I think he's showed you he understands.
But let's keep an intelligent debate going and show kindness the moderators.
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heres my input as a member and former moderator
@american hero, what dalmacija means is, that you can be an angel, but still you love todays croatia which is based on nazi and fascist beliefs. irony.
@dalmacija, seriously this woman/man bs has got to end, i agree on some level, i WON'T marry a career woman, because a child needs a good mother and a supporting father, if the mom is gone as much as or more than the father, the child will be "f-ed up". Trust me, i do support career women/women with power, but for my own child i will marry a smart and beautiful woman that knows how to cook etc.
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yeah,the Ku'ran tells us not to eat pigs,but we still do
what i ment to say,i don't care what any book has to tell me,i h8 when ppl say the bible says this ku'ran that torah etc...it ends badly
do you know who else says things like that?A normal peaceful sane man,and its enough for you to just say that
and let me describe the situation with this conversation:Imagine palestina got jerusalem,and there is some guy who says i love Jews but jerusalim belongs to me evin tho i kill(ed) jews there to get it
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I did not express my sself correctly sorry for the misunderstanding!
Thank you Sholomo for your correction..
Thank you for reminding me what is more important
Thank you SerbinCetnik for giving a realistic explanation to me.
I do not know what I would do with out your advice!
Zivjeo SERBIANCETNIK !! ! !
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Thank you, DALMACIJA. You are such an important member on the forum and you have such a good soul.
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No problem glad i could help, im tired of these non-sense "fights"
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No problem glad i could help, im tired of these non-sense "fights"
Me too!
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thats sweet :-*
;D
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Thank you, DALMACIJA. You are such an important member on the forum and you have such a good soul.
Others should also be informed about it like you are ;)
Seriously, I hope it is like that...
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Americanhero!
Just my observation!
My husband is Jewish and I have Jewish surname.
Am I safe and welcome in Croatia at the present?
Is my husband safe there!
Regards Boyana
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Americanhero!
Just my observation!
My husband is Jewish and I have Jewish surname.
Am I safe and welcome in Croatia at the present?
Is my husband safe there!
Regards Boyana
Dear Boyana,
I am a Serb from Krajina which is today part of Croatia.
I know a lot about Croatia and I know their mentality towards the Serbs.
You should ask the question to me and not to a person who lives in America and who is half Croatian. Believe me that is not the right person who will anwser your question.
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Americanhero!
Just my observation!
My husband is Jewish and I have Jewish surname.
Am I safe and welcome in Croatia at the present?
Is my husband safe there!
Regards Boyana
Many tourists from Israel visit there.
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Americanhero!
Just my observation!
My husband is Jewish and I have Jewish surname.
Am I safe and welcome in Croatia at the present?
Is my husband safe there!
Regards Boyana
Dear Boyana,
I am a Serb from Krajina which is today part of Croatia.
I know a lot about Croatia and I know their mentality towards the Serbs.
You should ask the question to me and not to a person who lives in America and who is half Croatian. Believe me that is not the right person who will anwser your question.
A person from America who is half Croatian and is like 2nd or 3rd generation is probably clueless to the real evil things KKKroats did!