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Kahanist Singles => Jewish Singles => Topic started by: admin on October 11, 2007, 09:02:54 PM
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Should it?
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Yes, we should only have fabuluuuulllooouussssexy male on male dancing!!! ??? ???
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So you're in favor of banning the Waltz and any type of ballroom dancing?
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I was just joking, but no, I have never seen religious dancing, except perhaps in some movies.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
I think it's Yacov-speak for ballroom dancing or any type of dancing that involved male to female contact.
I personally don't agree with banning this. But for anyone who is favor of strictly enforcing shomer negia traditions, then it's only logical that this follows.
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I mean, I'm not a big fan of the Mekhitza even in religious weddings...but it is what it is...
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A contact dance should only be performed by a man and his wife. Dancing with a daughter or son is acceptable, too. A man dancing with any other women doesn't make sense.
Jewish dances are traditional, so banning them would be going against Jewish culture. Our culture is very important, and must be perserved in a time where the implementation of external cultures is starting to occur.
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Should it?
No.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
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How about the show "So you think you can dance" that not only has "male-female interdancing", but also goes out of its way to encourage setting up interracial dancing couples. I guess that show needs to be banned as well :)
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
Crazy??? To that I reply by asking, what makes this banning poll different from all other banning polls?
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
Crazy??? To that I reply by asking, what makes this banning poll different from all other banning polls?
:::D
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
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How about the show "So you think you can dance" that not only has "male-female interdancing", but also goes out of its way to encourage setting up interracial dancing couples. I guess that show needs to be banned as well :)
:::D
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yacov was talking about anyone dancing with a person of the opposite sex, not just Jewish people. lol
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yacov was talking about anyone dancing with a person of the opposite sex, not just Jewish people. lol
That's what I'm talking about. Read what I write what a change. Oh, that's right, it's like Newman says, you always do things like this.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yeah, he should go out onto the dance floor, do a John Travolta (Saturday Night Fever) dance all alone. LOL Lord KNOWS Dancing just gets people into a lot of trouble. lol Are you also saying though that a married man shouldn't dance with his sister in law either?
I KNOW I know nothing of Jewish tradition...I don't think Yacov was talking about Jewish people interdancing with eachother. He didn't specify.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yacov was talking about anyone dancing with a person of the opposite sex, not just Jewish people. lol
That's what I'm talking about. Read what I write what a change. Oh, that's right, it's like Newman says, you always do things like this.
HE DIDN'T SPECIFY WHETHER HE WANTED TO BAN INTERDANCING BETWEEN JEWISH PEOPLE OR NON-JEWISH PEOPLE.
I'm comfortable with my husband dancing with another woman if he so chooses. He's never asked to but if he did, I wouldn't bat an eyelash. I'm secure in our relationship like that.
Really, how prudish can you be if you want all interdancing banned just to satisfy how things are run in your religon? We're talking about banning clothing, banning holidays..what's next? Is someone going to propose a ban on smiling and being happy?
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
Priceless! :::D
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
Do you ever contribute anything meaningful? Why don't you and Erica go find a nice anti-semetic, liberal forum?
All you and Erica ever do is oppose the Jews of JTF. Why are you two hear if you're against this movement?
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
Do you ever contribute anything meaningful? Why don't you and Erica go find a nice anti-semetic, liberal forum?
All you and Erica ever do is oppose the Jews of JTF. Why are you two hear if you're against this movement?
I'm not going to speak for Erica. But what gives you the idea I oppose the Jews of JTF? Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because I oppose some of the views of JTF posters (and also crack a joke here and there) doesn't make me opposed to the Jews of JTF. I'm a Jew of JTF. So perhaps you're also opposed to the Jews of JTF. You're engaging in some really absolutist thinking here, young Skywalker.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
Do you ever contribute anything meaningful? Why don't you and Erica go find a nice anti-semetic, liberal forum?
All you and Erica ever do is oppose the Jews of JTF. Why are you two hear if you're against this movement?
I don't appreciate being called anti-semetic, which, from what I've heard of it means one who has desdain for Jewish people. I DON'T HATE Jewish people, ANd I'm sure that Daniel dosen't either...he knows more about the Jewish religion than I do. You must be hateful though, right? If no one is hating around you, you crab, they MUST be against you or your religion (if not both). I can't help that you can't agree to disagree.
>>> ANd what IF one's wife is 'strange'..should he dance with her just to keep up appearances? This is both a serious question and a query made in jest.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
Do you ever contribute anything meaningful? Why don't you and Erica go find a nice anti-semetic, liberal forum?
All you and Erica ever do is oppose the Jews of JTF. Why are you two hear if you're against this movement?
I don't appreciate being called anti-semetic, which, from what I've heard of it means one who has desdain for Jewish people. I DON'T HATE Jewish people, ANd I'm sure that Daniel dosen't either...he knows more about the Jewish religion than I do. You must be hateful though, right? If no one is hating around you, you crab, they MUST be against you or your religion (if not both). I can't help that you can't agree to disagree.
>>> ANd what IF one's wife is 'strange'..should he dance with her just to keep up appearances? This is both a serious question and a query made in jest.
Thanks Erica. You're right, I'm not antisemitic. But according to some posters here. I must be a self-hating Jew. But I think that term is fallacious. If anything, I'm an "other"-hating Jew. And even the term hate, I object to. I don't hate myself and don't hate other Jews whom I happen to disagree with. I'm a self-loving Jew and an other-disagreeing Jew with those I happen to disagree with.
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You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
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You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
Erica, you need to understand the concept of "shomer negia" which means careful touching. Religious Jews believe that it is wrong and inappropriate to even shake hands with someone of the opposite gender. I was in an organization where the staff were religious and shomer negia. Whenever everyone danced, the guys and the ladies needed to dance in separate circles. Whenever we put our arms around each other to sway back and forth to the songs, we needed to do so separately. At one shabbaton, my friend naively put his arm around one of the female staff members while we were swaying to a song. At the point, the lady turned around and said, "Uhhmm, there's a problem here." My friend and I were both confused and we then had this concept explained to us and about how everyone in the organization practiced this. I was surprised and befuddled about this. At that point, I recognized that the guys and girls always danced and swayed separately from each other, but never understood why. When this situation happened, I finally understood what was going on. I later learned more about the concept and the rationale behind it. There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person. So the rules of touching are very strictly enforced by those who observe this. In this organization (called JPSY - Jewish Public School Youth), they staff had an ongoing gag where a guy and girl would scream out, "Kosher high five!", they would go to move their hands towards in other in the movement of making a high five, but then deliberately miss each others' hands.
So this concept being expressed here isn't some crazy idea thought up of Yacov or anyone else on here. It's a common practice of religious Jews. I don't personally agree or subscribe to this. But I do understand it and respect it, just as long as others don't try to impose this belief on me.
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No banning 'so you think you can dance'.....leave me ONE guilty pleasure ;)
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You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
Erica, you need to understand the concept of "shomer negia" which means careful touching. Religious Jews believe that it is wrong and inappropriate to even shake hands with someone of the opposite gender. I was in an organization where the staff were religious and shomer negia. Whenever everyone danced, the guys and the ladies needed to dance in separate circles. Whenever we put our arms around each other to sway back and forth to the songs, we needed to do so separately. At one shabbaton, my friend naively put his arm around one of the female staff members while we were swaying to a song. At the point, the lady turned around and said, "Uhhmm, there's a problem here." My friend and I were both confused and we then had this concept explained to us and about how everyone in the organization practiced this. I was surprised and befuddled about this. At that point, I recognized that the guys and girls always danced and swayed separately from each other, but never understood why. When this situation happened, I finally understood what was going on. I later learned more about the concept and the rationale behind it. There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person. So the rules of touching are very strictly enforced by those who observe this. In this organization (called JPSY - Jewish Public School Youth), they staff had an ongoing gag where a guy and girl would scream out, "Kosher high five!", they would go to move their hands towards in other in the movement of making a high five, but then deliberately miss each others' hands.
So this concept being expressed here isn't some crazy idea thought up of Yacov or anyone else on here. It's a common practice of religious Jews. I don't personally agree or subscribe to this. But I do understand it and respect it, just as long as others don't try to impose this belief on me.
Thank you for explaining it to me, Daniel. It shouldn't be 'crazy' to me but it was confusing because that's not the way I was brought up. I can respect Jewish people practicing shomer negia, but I hope no one really imposes that onto those who aren't Jewish.
I LOVE the Kosher High Five thing though. lol It sounds like a funny running joke. :)
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You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
Erica, you need to understand the concept of "shomer negia" which means careful touching. Religious Jews believe that it is wrong and inappropriate to even shake hands with someone of the opposite gender. I was in an organization where the staff were religious and shomer negia. Whenever everyone danced, the guys and the ladies needed to dance in separate circles. Whenever we put our arms around each other to sway back and forth to the songs, we needed to do so separately. At one shabbaton, my friend naively put his arm around one of the female staff members while we were swaying to a song. At the point, the lady turned around and said, "Uhhmm, there's a problem here." My friend and I were both confused and we then had this concept explained to us and about how everyone in the organization practiced this. I was surprised and befuddled about this. At that point, I recognized that the guys and girls always danced and swayed separately from each other, but never understood why. When this situation happened, I finally understood what was going on. I later learned more about the concept and the rationale behind it. There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person. So the rules of touching are very strictly enforced by those who observe this. In this organization (called JPSY - Jewish Public School Youth), they staff had an ongoing gag where a guy and girl would scream out, "Kosher high five!", they would go to move their hands towards in other in the movement of making a high five, but then deliberately miss each others' hands.
So this concept being expressed here isn't some crazy idea thought up of Yacov or anyone else on here. It's a common practice of religious Jews. I don't personally agree or subscribe to this. But I do understand it and respect it, just as long as others don't try to impose this belief on me.
Thank you for explaining it to me, Daniel. It shouldn't be 'crazy' to me but it was confusing because that's not the way I was brought up. I can respect Jewish people practicing shomer negia, but I hope no one really imposes that onto those who aren't Jewish.
I LOVE the Kosher High Five thing though. lol It sounds like a funny running joke. :)
You're quite welcome. The kosher high five is pretty funny. The first time I saw it, I laughed at how funny it was and at the same time growled with frustration :)
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So am I to understand that Yacov was speaking of ONLY Jewish people or the entire populus of people who like to boogie with the opposite sex?
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Listen, my dancing skills are probably the only thing that women like about me (not that I've had any luck finding a girl with it).. but it helps in the search of finding a girlfriend!
BTW - Women that dance ballroom/tango style are very classy women.. not sluts that dance on top of bar counters.
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Erica marriage isnt about showing yourself to other people in public. Thats soo foolish. Also marriage shouldnt be all about recieving you need to be willing to give unconditionally.
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A contact dance should only be performed by a man and his wife. Dancing with a daughter or son is acceptable, too. A man dancing with any other women doesn't make sense.
Jewish dances are traditional, so banning them would be going against Jewish culture. Our culture is very important, and must be perserved in a time where the implementation of external cultures is starting to occur.
I accept that a married man should only dance with his wife or daughters or grand daughters..or nieces..but a random woman...doesn't seem right...and vice versa with a married woman and another man..just something doesn't seem right about it.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
Do you ever contribute anything meaningful? Why don't you and Erica go find a nice anti-semetic, liberal forum?
All you and Erica ever do is oppose the Jews of JTF. Why are you two hear if you're against this movement?
They don't oppose any religious Jews...they are trying to find some sense in the strict religiosity that many JTF Jews follow. I happen to agree with them on a lot of things..
however, like them, they aren't telling any JTF Jews that they shouldn't follow the traditions set forth to these JTF Jews...They are simply saying, "It's not my thing, so don't tell me what to do just because it works for you..." And to this I agree wtih tremendously..You don't show the beauty of Judaism by trying to ban things and imposing it everyone..I can certainly tell you that Chaim is totally against this as well..
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I mean, I'm not a big fan of the Mekhitza even in religious weddings...but it is what it is...
I don't think there should be separate tables at religious weddings but I do think there should be a mechitza for the dancing. But I have seen men on the right seats and women on the left seats at the actual wedding ceremony. There is no mechitza there. After the couple are in the yichud room (Where they can touch and be alone for the first time.), everyone then goes to their tables. At some weddings, the tables are mixed, and at some they are separate. But all religious weddings have separate dancing. But I was at one that had separate dancing at first and then they removed the mechitza later on but even then, there weren't really traditional partner dancing. It was just the men and women in the same place. But there is an issue of seeing women while they are dancing. It could arouse men. At my synagogue on Simchat Torah, they put up a screen over the mechitza so we couldn't see the women dancing. But during prayer, there doesn't need to be a screen because it is okay to see women while praying if they are dressed modestly. The prohibition is only to mix with them during the praying. Of course you still shouldn't stare at the women's section. I admit though that I like to look into the women's section at times.
I mean, I can understand all that...I get it...
But it's not for me...I don't like it..it's too strict.
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Should it?
What is interdancing?
Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
Do you ever contribute anything meaningful? Why don't you and Erica go find a nice anti-semetic, liberal forum?
All you and Erica ever do is oppose the Jews of JTF. Why are you two hear if you're against this movement?
I don't appreciate being called anti-semetic, which, from what I've heard of it means one who has desdain for Jewish people. I DON'T HATE Jewish people, ANd I'm sure that Daniel dosen't either...he knows more about the Jewish religion than I do. You must be hateful though, right? If no one is hating around you, you crab, they MUST be against you or your religion (if not both). I can't help that you can't agree to disagree.
>>> ANd what IF one's wife is 'strange'..should he dance with her just to keep up appearances? This is both a serious question and a query made in jest.
Thanks Erica. You're right, I'm not antisemitic. But according to some posters here. I must be a self-hating Jew. But I think that term is fallacious. If anything, I'm an "other"-hating Jew. And even the term hate, I object to. I don't hate myself and don't hate other Jews whom I happen to disagree with. I'm a self-loving Jew and an other-disagreeing Jew with those I happen to disagree with.
You're a self-loving Jew like me :)
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Erica marriage isnt about showing yourself to other people in public. Thats soo foolish. Also marriage shouldnt be all about recieving you need to be willing to give unconditionally.
Its not even about that. Hugging and kissing your Significant other shouldn't be seen as X rated in this society. If its what you practice in your religion...do so freely but don't bash those who don't have a problem with it. my husband and I kiss and hug each other in front of our daughters as well. We also talk to each other like human beings. When they see that, they get an idea of what a great, harmonious relationship is about. We have an equal amount of giving and recieving in our marriage. I give respect, my husband gets it in return... I give love, my husband gives love in return. Part of loving your spouse, outside of religion is showing them how much they mean to you even if its with a kiss, a hug, holding hands or telling them 'I love you' in public as well as privately.
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What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
So a wife's role in public is solely for the man to kiss and dance her? Don't women have any rights of their own?
And you ask what's the point of marriage if can't do that. Have you ever heard of sex and kissing behind closed doors? If you're not married, you could never do any of the above things, not even behind closed door.
Sex and kissing aren't always synonymous, Yacov. I can kiss my husband without being aroused. And he can also. Especially when he's going on a trip or something and we're in an airport terminal. I'm not going to hide that I'll miss my husband by not giving him a kiss or hug because someone'll be looking at us. FOR SHAME!
I'm married, so I can't speak on not being married... but I think it is the right of both the woman and man in the relationship to hold hands, kiss or hug if they want to in public. Do I think women have no rights at all ? I never said that. I would hope that if a man wants to hold his wife's hand that the woman would at least say...No, I don't want to ...we're in public. I have no objections to that at all.
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It's wrong to dance with aunts, nieces, and cousins.
I didn't even want to shake my cousin's hand because she was too attractive.
So its a self control issue. You do know that a lot of times you dont' have to touch a person to feel physically attracted to them, right? Your eyes and brain are just as much as an errogenous zone as your hands.
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Your eyes and brain are just as much as an errogenous zone as your hands.
That's erogenous zone, skank. ::)
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Your eyes and brain are just as much as an errogenous zone as your hands.
That's erogenous zone, skank. ::)
I don't expect an intelligent response from you at all... I'm not impressed with your latest crack at hatred towards me. You bash me for adding a 'r'? HOw petty are you? I'm no one's skank. IF you don't have anything nice to say... don't say it at all.
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The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.
You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.
You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?
Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.
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The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.
You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.
You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?
Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.
I'm not against religion, Barach. And about this "you refuse to see the white point of view" bologney, you're wrong. You ONLY want me to see the 'white point of view' when there is more to the story. I didn't say that the Jena 6 were innocent for what they did. I didn't exuse them from their crime and I even went so far as to state that they could have walked away after Justin Barker made racial slurs against them. White people committed the same crimes against black boys in the same town but no one wants to see that... Those white kids who contributed in crimes against blacks in Jena never saw jail for 8 months, nor 8 minutes. The Jena 6 spent upwards of 8-10 months behind bars in an adult facility. I think that's enough. That dosen't mean I'm excusing them for what they did... I dont' think ANYONE needs to be behind bars for 1 year or the 22 years the Jena boys were about to get for a schoolyard fight. The punishment should have been handed down by school officials...expulsion would have been a great way to punish the Jena 6 for what they did.
And again, you are such a liar, I NEVER said that the Jena 6 were innocent!!! I EVEN state it in my latest VIDEO, so you can hear the words come straight out of my mouth, you angry person!
I NEVER put down religion, again..I'm trying to refrain from calling you names.... And since the forum is so religious, when did the Torah or the Bible say it was okay to call black people out of their names like monkeys? How religious is that?
And you don't have to reason with me. And I don't have to reason with you. We have opinions for a reason, because they differ. Otherwise it would be called "an agreement". You don't seem to understand that your word isn't the law of the land or the end all to be all of communication.
I'll agree, you should stop trying to do what I NEVER asked you to do; reason with me. ::)
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I don't think it should be banned.
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You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Did that come from islam?
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dancing is fun and good exercise
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Yacov, what's with all these irrelevant polls?
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Erica, you need to understand the concept of "shomer negia" which means careful touching. Religious Jews believe that it is wrong and inappropriate to even shake hands with someone of the opposite gender. I was in an organization where the staff were religious and shomer negia. Whenever everyone danced, the guys and the ladies needed to dance in separate circles. Whenever we put our arms around each other to sway back and forth to the songs, we needed to do so separately. At one shabbaton, my friend naively put his arm around one of the female staff members while we were swaying to a song. At the point, the lady turned around and said, "Uhhmm, there's a problem here." My friend and I were both confused and we then had this concept explained to us and about how everyone in the organization practiced this. I was surprised and befuddled about this. At that point, I recognized that the guys and girls always danced and swayed separately from each other, but never understood why. When this situation happened, I finally understood what was going on. I later learned more about the concept and the rationale behind it. There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person. So the rules of touching are very strictly enforced by those who observe this. In this organization (called JPSY - Jewish Public School Youth), they staff had an ongoing gag where a guy and girl would scream out, "Kosher high five!", they would go to move their hands towards in other in the movement of making a high five, but then deliberately miss each others' hands.
So this concept being expressed here isn't some crazy idea thought up of Yacov or anyone else on here. It's a common practice of religious Jews. I don't personally agree or subscribe to this. But I do understand it and respect it, just as long as others don't try to impose this belief on me.
There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person.
Nothing of the sort will happen unless BOTH parties want this. If one know better, they should do better. HaShem will reward them for it in the future. As far as I know, muzzies are the ones who cannot control their urges. It is shocking to find practices done in islam observed in Judaism.
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You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
Did that come from islam?
No, anyway Judaism existed much prior to Islam.
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The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.
You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.
You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?
Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.
I'm not against religion, Barach. And about this "you refuse to see the white point of view" bologney, you're wrong. You ONLY want me to see the 'white point of view' when there is more to the story. I didn't say that the Jena 6 were innocent for what they did. I didn't exuse them from their crime and I even went so far as to state that they could have walked away after Justin Barker made racial slurs against them. White people committed the same crimes against black boys in the same town but no one wants to see that... Those white kids who contributed in crimes against blacks in Jena never saw jail for 8 months, nor 8 minutes. The Jena 6 spent upwards of 8-10 months behind bars in an adult facility. I think that's enough. That dosen't mean I'm excusing them for what they did... I dont' think ANYONE needs to be behind bars for 1 year or the 22 years the Jena boys were about to get for a schoolyard fight. The punishment should have been handed down by school officials...expulsion would have been a great way to punish the Jena 6 for what they did.
And again, you are such a liar, I NEVER said that the Jena 6 were innocent!!! I EVEN state it in my latest VIDEO, so you can hear the words come straight out of my mouth, you angry person!
I NEVER put down religion, again..I'm trying to refrain from calling you names.... And since the forum is so religious, when did the Torah or the Bible say it was okay to call black people out of their names like monkeys? How religious is that?
And you don't have to reason with me. And I don't have to reason with you. We have opinions for a reason, because they differ. Otherwise it would be called "an agreement". You don't seem to understand that your word isn't the law of the land or the end all to be all of communication.
I'll agree, you should stop trying to do what I NEVER asked you to do; reason with me. ::)
You're so right, Erica. There's such a great deal of hypocrisy on this forum. Whenever someone spews out disgusting racist language, that's completely tolerated. But I dare happen to mention something of a sexual nature, then I'll be told that what I'm saying is inappropriate for a religious forum. So that means that racist language is permissible on a religious forum, but sexual language is not? I'd expect that religious people and a religious forum would have just as much o a problem with racist language as with sexual language.
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The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.
You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.
You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?
Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.
I'm not against religion, Barach. And about this "you refuse to see the white point of view" bologney, you're wrong. You ONLY want me to see the 'white point of view' when there is more to the story. I didn't say that the Jena 6 were innocent for what they did. I didn't exuse them from their crime and I even went so far as to state that they could have walked away after Justin Barker made racial slurs against them. White people committed the same crimes against black boys in the same town but no one wants to see that... Those white kids who contributed in crimes against blacks in Jena never saw jail for 8 months, nor 8 minutes. The Jena 6 spent upwards of 8-10 months behind bars in an adult facility. I think that's enough. That dosen't mean I'm excusing them for what they did... I dont' think ANYONE needs to be behind bars for 1 year or the 22 years the Jena boys were about to get for a schoolyard fight. The punishment should have been handed down by school officials...expulsion would have been a great way to punish the Jena 6 for what they did.
And again, you are such a liar, I NEVER said that the Jena 6 were innocent!!! I EVEN state it in my latest VIDEO, so you can hear the words come straight out of my mouth, you angry person!
I NEVER put down religion, again..I'm trying to refrain from calling you names.... And since the forum is so religious, when did the Torah or the Bible say it was okay to call black people out of their names like monkeys? How religious is that?
And you don't have to reason with me. And I don't have to reason with you. We have opinions for a reason, because they differ. Otherwise it would be called "an agreement". You don't seem to understand that your word isn't the law of the land or the end all to be all of communication.
I'll agree, you should stop trying to do what I NEVER asked you to do; reason with me. ::)
You're so right, Erica. There's such a great deal of hypocrisy on this forum. Whenever someone spews out disgusting racist language, that's completely tolerated. But I dare happen to mention something of a sexual nature, then I'll be told that what I'm saying is inappropriate for a religious forum. So that means that racist language is permissible on a religious forum, but sexual language is not? I'd expect that religious people and a religious forum would have just as much o a problem with racist language as with sexual language.
There is no mitzvah that forbids racism. There are many mitzvot that forbid sex related things. The concept of a "Chosen People" and a "Holy People" is certainly racist in my eyes, but it is reiterated throughout the Torah. Therefore in my eyes Judaism has many racist aspects, but that won't stop me from being any more Jewish.
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The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.
You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.
You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?
Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.
I'm not against religion, Barach. And about this "you refuse to see the white point of view" bologney, you're wrong. You ONLY want me to see the 'white point of view' when there is more to the story. I didn't say that the Jena 6 were innocent for what they did. I didn't exuse them from their crime and I even went so far as to state that they could have walked away after Justin Barker made racial slurs against them. White people committed the same crimes against black boys in the same town but no one wants to see that... Those white kids who contributed in crimes against blacks in Jena never saw jail for 8 months, nor 8 minutes. The Jena 6 spent upwards of 8-10 months behind bars in an adult facility. I think that's enough. That dosen't mean I'm excusing them for what they did... I dont' think ANYONE needs to be behind bars for 1 year or the 22 years the Jena boys were about to get for a schoolyard fight. The punishment should have been handed down by school officials...expulsion would have been a great way to punish the Jena 6 for what they did.
And again, you are such a liar, I NEVER said that the Jena 6 were innocent!!! I EVEN state it in my latest VIDEO, so you can hear the words come straight out of my mouth, you angry person!
I NEVER put down religion, again..I'm trying to refrain from calling you names.... And since the forum is so religious, when did the Torah or the Bible say it was okay to call black people out of their names like monkeys? How religious is that?
And you don't have to reason with me. And I don't have to reason with you. We have opinions for a reason, because they differ. Otherwise it would be called "an agreement". You don't seem to understand that your word isn't the law of the land or the end all to be all of communication.
I'll agree, you should stop trying to do what I NEVER asked you to do; reason with me. ::)
You're so right, Erica. There's such a great deal of hypocrisy on this forum. Whenever someone spews out disgusting racist language, that's completely tolerated. But I dare happen to mention something of a sexual nature, then I'll be told that what I'm saying is inappropriate for a religious forum. So that means that racist language is permissible on a religious forum, but sexual language is not? I'd expect that religious people and a religious forum would have just as much o a problem with racist language as with sexual language.
There is no mitzvah that forbids racism. There are many mitzvot that forbid sex related things. The concept of a "Chosen People" and a "Holy People" is certainly racist in my eyes, but it is reiterated throughout the Torah. Therefore in my eyes Judaism has many racist aspects, but that won't stop me from being any more Jewish.
There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
Where in the bible does it say that it is good for the Jew to engage in wanton racial epithets against black people?
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
Where in the bible does it say that it is good for the Jew to engage in wanton racial epithets against black people?
Blacks have traditionally been very anti-Semitic, so why should I fight for the rights of a person who will turn around and fight against me?
Blacks will fight for Black rights and thats fine, but as a Jew I feel no need to fight for the rights of someone who will use those rights to fight against me.
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
We have to be careful on how we interpret "chosen"...
We are chosen because we received the Torah on Sinai for all generations...because we chose it.
We are chosen not in the sense that we are better than any nation...we aren't better than any nation...we are as other nations...Some nations are good at certain things like art, music, dancing, medicine etc.... WE Jews as a nation are good at priestliness.. When we are good, we are blessed and rewarded. When we are evil, we are punished...and to make it a little more interesting for Gd...when we are good, we are doubly rewared...but when we are evil, we are doubley punished! And we as Jews on Sinai chose this...that's why we are chosen...no better nor worse than anyone else.
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I just don't see being Chosen as racism. Yes, G-d chose the Jewish nation but still loves all nations. Is was not the Jewish nation that called themselves the "Chosen People" first, but it was G-d who said "You are my chosen people" Did G-d then make a racist choice?
To me being chosen does not mean superiority, it just means being chosen to have to follow certain commandments that Gentiles do not have to.
Being chosen in the sense of having more responsibility...mutual responsibility ie- when one Jew sins, it is not he alone who suffers, but the entire Jewish nation. That to me is what the Chosen People means. When it comes to Gentiles, G-d loves them as much, but chose the Jewish nation to be His "First Born Son" in a manner of speaking the Jewish nation is like an older brother to all gentiles.
Not to mention being chosen to be "A light unto all nations"
Being the Chosen people to me is not about being better, superior, racism but just about having DIFFERENT responsibilities than Gentiles. G-d loves all of us, made us equal and in His essence but just as an older brother in a family has more responsibilities to set a good example to his younger siblings, the Jewish nation is in that position as well, while all siblings are loved the same by their parents.
To me it's not racism...it's a blessing. Therefore, one should take being "the Chosen nation" with great humility and allways inspire good to come from their every action.
I dont see how being "Holy" and "Chosen" would not cause a people to be considered, (at least in the eyes of others), superior.
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All this stuff and nonsense about BANNING.
What is the common bond that joins us here?
Is it not FREEDOM?
I am not religious. I do not believe. I don't care what people CHOOSE to do with their lives as long as I am free to live mine and make my OWN choices. Be it abortion, sexual preference or a hedonism (which combined with integrity makes living a very pleasant experience indeed).
As a non-believer, I insist that my freedom is more important than your religion.
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
We have to be careful on how we interpret "chosen"...
We are chosen because we received the Torah on Sinai for all generations...because we chose it.
We are chosen not in the sense that we are better than any nation...we aren't better than any nation...we are as other nations...Some nations are good at certain things like art, music, dancing, medicine etc.... WE Jews as a nation are good at priestliness.. When we are good, we are blessed and rewarded. When we are evil, we are punished...and to make it a little more interesting for Gd...when we are good, we are doubly rewared...but when we are evil, we are doubley punished! And we as Jews on Sinai chose this...that's why we are chosen...no better nor worse than anyone else.
We are chosen because we are G-d's people and we have a special covenant with him.
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
We have to be careful on how we interpret "chosen"...
We are chosen because we received the Torah on Sinai for all generations...because we chose it.
We are chosen not in the sense that we are better than any nation...we aren't better than any nation...we are as other nations...Some nations are good at certain things like art, music, dancing, medicine etc.... WE Jews as a nation are good at priestliness.. When we are good, we are blessed and rewarded. When we are evil, we are punished...and to make it a little more interesting for Gd...when we are good, we are doubly rewared...but when we are evil, we are doubley punished! And we as Jews on Sinai chose this...that's why we are chosen...no better nor worse than anyone else.
We are chosen because we are G-d's people and we have a special covenant with him.
but it doesn't make us better...it simply makes us a nation as well...a nation of priests...Gd's first born
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stop being politically incorrect. G-d said in the Torah that they Jews are his chosen, special nation, and that He loves them the most from all the nations. Their is many times of mention of this. Will and does this cause anti-semitism? YES. But the facts are the facts. Also just becuase Jews are chosen doesnt make all the other nations scumm or filth, etc as anti-semites claim the Torah and Talmud teaches, but definitly just like theirs a difference between a Human and an Animal, their is a difference between an Israelite (Jew) who does G-d's will, compared to a non-Jew. This isn't a genetic superiority, but a spiritual superiority which means that in the spiritual outlook everything is appreciated but their are different levels.
Mineral- Plant- Animal-Human- Jew who loves G-d. (and subdivisions within each category).
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well written, mills
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stop being politically incorrect. G-d said in the Torah that they Jews are his chosen, special nation, and that He loves them the most from all the nations. Their is many times of mention of this. Will and does this cause anti-semitism? YES. But the facts are the facts. Also just becuase Jews are chosen doesnt make all the other nations scumm or filth, etc as anti-semites claim the Torah and Talmud teaches, but definitly just like theirs a difference between a Human and an Animal, their is a difference between an Israelite (Jew) who does G-d's will, compared to a non-Jew. This isn't a genetic superiority, but a spiritual superiority which means that in the spiritual outlook everything is appreciated but their are different levels.
Mineral- Plant- Animal-Human- Jew who loves G-d. (and subdivisions within each category).
you know, tzvi, you remind me of this guy i met in Jerusalem this summer.. He corrected the way i was wearing the t'fillin..and then somehow, in regards to the shel-rosh of the t'fillin, he said it belonged in that spot because that's where the shekhina or something like that..or the soul was located...the prefrontal lobe..the area which allows us to judge and to keep ourselves from doing the wrong thing...and he also said that only Jews had this...
I said, "what about righteous gentiles"
and he said, "No only Jews have this in their brain."
and then I said, "well, what about evil Jews..." He didn't answer fully..
and i followed up, "what about converts to Judaism?" he didn't answer...I walked away...
This isn't about political correctness. Gd is the ultimate Father of all nations. Each nation is one of His children. We are the eldest...the Eldest child has a duty different from all other children...the first born to be the leader of showing light. However, all of Gd's other children also have a stake...each to be chosen in something else...All equal..all of Gd's love..however, we are particularly important...Gd will never make us disappear Gd forbid. Without us there woudl be chaos.
However, we are not higher than anyone or any nation. We are not more righteous than any other nation. Quite simply, we are very very important for the world...and if anyone tries to mess with us, well, Gd will have His way with them..and if anyone blesses us, Gd will bless them. And if we screw around as a nation, Gd will really really really screw us over big time, Gd forbid.
Therefore, in conclusion, we are a special people..but we aren't necessarily better nor superior in anyway.
In other words, all fruits are equal in taste...but when comparing Jews with Africans with Europeans with Asians with Inidians you are compariing apples with oranges with pears with watermelons, with strawberries...All unique fruits, but all equally healthy to eat.
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Should male-female interdancing be banned?
As a Gentile I vote no. People with the intent to cheat on their spouses will do it anyway. The idea that dancing will lead to "other things" in my opinion is not a valid argument. But I guess we could ban music put women in burqas, tell them not too leave the home, that would solve the problem. ( sarcasm ) 8;)
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
What is this business with labeling everything as being "liberal" when basic decency doesn't have anything to do with political affiliation. There are people on the far left who speak the same way about Jews. Then when I correct them in the same way, then all of a sudden, I'm thinking and speaking like a "Zionist." People on both extreme sides always need someone to scapegoat and name call.
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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.
What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"
Where in the bible does it say that it is good for the Jew to engage in wanton racial epithets against black people?
Blacks have traditionally been very anti-Semitic, so why should I fight for the rights of a person who will turn around and fight against me?
Blacks will fight for Black rights and thats fine, but as a Jew I feel no need to fight for the rights of someone who will use those rights to fight against me.
There's a big difference between not fighting for someone's rights and going out of your way to bad mouth them with the most inflammatory language possible. Nobody is saying we need to fight for their rights. But why engage in this type of language which does nothing except to make us look really bad?
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danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.
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danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.
There's a big difference between comparing a monkey to a gorilla and comparing humans to humans. Who are we to complain so incessantly about antisemitism when we engage in the same exact type of behavior towards other people. If we treat other people this way, then we have no right to complain when they treat us in the same way. Otherwise, we're engaging in double standards. Wasn't it Rabbi Hillel who said, "What is hateful to you, do not do unto others?" What? Was he just referring to the Jews when he said this?
Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
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Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
See this is the essential difference between us. You view things from a humanitarian perspective. I complain about anit-Semitism because it is bad for the Jew, not because I believe all people are equal.
"They" should have no control over how to treat us. We belong in our own land (Israel) away from the rest of the world. We are separate from the rest of the world and the world will stay separate from us. That is the Jewish dream.
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Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
See this is the essential difference between us. You view things from a humanitarian perspective. I complain about anit-Semitism because it is bad for the Jew, not because I believe all people are equal.
"They" should have no control over how to treat us. We belong in our own land (Israel) away from the rest of the world. We are separate from the rest of the world and the world will stay separate from us. That is the Jewish dream.
Fine. So "they" will only care about themselves and complain about black racism because it's bad for the black and then deem it okay to pick on the Jew while "we" will only care about ourselves and complain about antisemitism because it's bad for the Jew and then deem it okay to pick on the black. If we don't view things from a humanitarian perspective, then how should we expect others to view things?
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Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
See this is the essential difference between us. You view things from a humanitarian perspective. I complain about anit-Semitism because it is bad for the Jew, not because I believe all people are equal.
"They" should have no control over how to treat us. We belong in our own land (Israel) away from the rest of the world. We are separate from the rest of the world and the world will stay separate from us. That is the Jewish dream.
Fine. So "they" will only care about themselves and complain about black racism because it's bad for the black and then deem it okay to pick on the Jew while "we" will only care about ourselves and complain about antisemitism because it's bad for the Jew and then deem it okay to pick on the black. If we don't view things from a humanitarian perspective, then how should we expect others to view things?
We don't expect others to view things the way we do. We fight anti-Semitism, not them. I don't expect a black to fight anti-Semitism, its my job not theirs
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danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.
Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
Who said about being abusive towards other people? No one suggested it, so dont put words in other peoples mouth.
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danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.
Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
Who said about being abusive towards other people? No one suggested it, so dont put words in other peoples mouth.
No one suggested it? I see extreme racist language being spewed on here constantly. That's not suggesting it. That's directly engaging in it.
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I see extreme racist language being spewed on here constantly.
Yes.
There are many people here who'd rather insult than make intelligent points.
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danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.
Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
Who said about being abusive towards other people? No one suggested it, so dont put words in other peoples mouth.
No one suggested it? I see extreme racist language being spewed on here constantly. That's not suggesting it. That's directly engaging in it.
bring an example.
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If males don't dance with females, what is the point of dancing at all? Usually a group of guys doesn't feel the urge to dance together. Many dances such as salsa would look very odd with just same sex couples.
discusting!!!
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If males don't dance with females, what is the point of dancing at all? Usually a group of guys doesn't feel the urge to dance together. Many dances such as salsa would look very odd with just same sex couples.
Then those types of dance are not appropriate for a religious Jew to participate in. The issue is that males will be aroused. It is fine to dance with a spouse but otherwise it is not tolerated.
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stop being politically incorrect. G-d said in the Torah that they Jews are his chosen, special nation, and that He loves them the most from all the nations. Their is many times of mention of this. Will and does this cause anti-semitism? YES. But the facts are the facts. Also just becuase Jews are chosen doesnt make all the other nations scumm or filth, etc as anti-semites claim the Torah and Talmud teaches, but definitly just like theirs a difference between a Human and an Animal, their is a difference between an Israelite (Jew) who does G-d's will, compared to a non-Jew. This isn't a genetic superiority, but a spiritual superiority which means that in the spiritual outlook everything is appreciated but their are different levels.
Mineral- Plant- Animal-Human- Jew who loves G-d. (and subdivisions within each category).
you know, tzvi, you remind me of this guy i met in Jerusalem this summer.. He corrected the way i was wearing the t'fillin..and then somehow, in regards to the shel-rosh of the t'fillin, he said it belonged in that spot because that's where the shekhina or something like that..or the soul was located...the prefrontal lobe..the area which allows us to judge and to keep ourselves from doing the wrong thing...and he also said that only Jews had this...
I said, "what about righteous gentiles"
and he said, "No only Jews have this in their brain."
and then I said, "well, what about evil Jews..." He didn't answer fully..
and i followed up, "what about converts to Judaism?" he didn't answer...I walked away...
This isn't about political correctness. Gd is the ultimate Father of all nations. Each nation is one of His children. We are the eldest...the Eldest child has a duty different from all other children...the first born to be the leader of showing light. However, all of Gd's other children also have a stake...each to be chosen in something else...All equal..all of Gd's love..however, we are particularly important...Gd will never make us disappear Gd forbid. Without us there woudl be chaos.
However, we are not higher than anyone or any nation. We are not more righteous than any other nation. Quite simply, we are very very important for the world...and if anyone tries to mess with us, well, Gd will have His way with them..and if anyone blesses us, Gd will bless them. And if we screw around as a nation, Gd will really really really screw us over big time, Gd forbid.
Therefore, in conclusion, we are a special people..but we aren't necessarily better nor superior in anyway.
In other words, all fruits are equal in taste...but when comparing Jews with Africans with Europeans with Asians with Inidians you are compariing apples with oranges with pears with watermelons, with strawberries...All unique fruits, but all equally healthy to eat.
Danny..wonderful post.
I am not a know-it-all on Judaism nor am I a theological major in studies of the Bible but there is one thing that I've always believed. While there is evil in every nation...sprinkled a little here, and sprinkled a lot there, those who aren't evil carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. Not only are they expected to represent the bad seeds but they're also expected to encourage good in other nations.
I happen to think that we are ALL God's Favorites simply because he created us, gave us our own minds to think with, and sent us out in the world and trusts that we will make the best of our lives. I am a newborn Christian (only 2 years old on November 4th of this year) but if I live to be better than I am now, I STILL won't amount to the greatness God is made of. And that's the truth.
We are all equal in the eyes of God. The Jews may be the first born son of God's Word, but like all parents, I don't believe he loves Jews more than he loves any of His other children.
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danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.
Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.
Who said about being abusive towards other people? No one suggested it, so dont put words in other peoples mouth.
No one suggested it? I see extreme racist language being spewed on here constantly. That's not suggesting it. That's directly engaging in it.
bring an example.
That response wasn't to me but I say that the proof is in the pudding... why don't you read the entire Affirmative Action Crisis forum. There are some truths in the threads there. Blacks who murder are evil... Blacks who murder THEN write books about it while free from persecution are evil...but look at the other miniscule subjects like ..."blacks on public transportation, how someone said that no black should be riding public transportation." Or my "KFC and watermelon" thread. There is racial tention all over the place in these forums. Even when some subjects belong in the AA forum, they slip into other forums just because race is on someone's mind here. lol