JTF.ORG Forum
Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: DALMACIJA on November 06, 2007, 03:57:27 PM
-
About the Serbian sub-forum of JTF.
We do not have standard rules.
That’s the problem.
We are dealing here with struggle against historical facts.
There are some not appreciated topics in operation on this forum.
There is of course room for other opinions and for third parties.
We are not a Bolshevik organization or dictators, but there must be some kind of a limit. I think that certain lies should absolutely not be tolerated at this forum:
The messages must not include the following misled propaganda:
- Everything that is in struggle against the real context of the Serbian Chetnik movement.
- False interpretation of the Serbian religion.
- Western media lies about the Serbs. Propaganda from the Clinton – Bair
generation.
- Communist oriented lies which have their roots coming from the Vatican.
- Deny of the genocide against the Serbs.
- Glorification of murders or of atrocities.
- Insulting the Serbian religion, church and the Christian bible.
Who does agree with this?
Comrades please write also your own conditions.
And if we all agree, than the moderator can approve the recognized conditions.
For a better forum!
-
Well, if someone will come here and spread "Croatian Propagnda", and the next thing he will know is that he is banned will proove him that he is right. There is nothing to do with these people but proove tham they are wrong.
-
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/toronto.htm
-
Well, if someone will come here and spread "Croatian Propagnda", and the next thing he will know is that he is banned will proove him that he is right. There is nothing to do with these people but proove tham they are wrong.
I totally agree, but there must be some kind of limit.
We are arguing about crap the last days.
We need to provide good articles about the facts and talk with each other like serious men.
About explaining and proving. I agree.
But some people will never learn because they are mentally obsessed.
I cannot be a psychiatrist for mental disturbed persons.
Somebody I do not know who sent a brutal sick oriented message to our great comrade Husar. There must be some kind of limit.
-
If JTF expects us, Serbs,
to prove, disprove, explain,
WHATEVER comes from the typing
of NAZICROATS and other NAZIS,
which come in constant flood from this sunday on,
we will never be able to talk about far more
important things.
Our JTF work becomes truly impossible.
-
I fully agree with DALMACIJA:
"The messages must not include the following misled propaganda:
- Everything that is in struggle against the real context of the Serbian Chetnik movement.
- False interpretation of the Serbian religion.
- Western media lies about the Serbs. Propaganda from the Clinton – Bair
generation.
- Communist oriented lies which have their roots coming from the Vatican.
- Deny of the genocide against the Serbs.
- Glorification of murders or of atrocities.
- Insulting the Serbian religion, church and the Christian bible.
Who does agree with this?
Comrade please write also your own conditions.
And if we all agree, than the moderator, can approve the recognized conditions.
For a better forum!"
This forum was excellent
before the NAZICROAT INVASION
that began this sunday.
:)
-
Ill tell you what this forum has a problem with, it has a problem with Jews and Serbs spreading false propaganda about Croatians and Serbs lying about their own evil acts.
-----U-----
ZA DOM SPREMNI
-
Ill tell you what this forum has a problem with, it has a problem with Jews and Serbs spreading false propaganda about Croatians and Serbs lying about their own evil acts.
-----U-----
ZA DOM SPREMNI
I think you have a problem, you've listened to too much propoganda and taken it as truth.
-
NAZICROAT INSULTS ON US
WON'T LEAD US NOWHERE.
THIS FORUM WILL BE A WRECKAGE.
JUST BAN NAZICROATS, FOREVER.
-
If JTF expects us, Serbs,
to prove, disprove, explain,
WHATEVER comes from the typing
of NAZICROATS and other NAZIS,
which come in constant flood from this sunday on,
we will never be able to talk about far more
important things.
Our JTF work becomes truly impossible.
The problem with this forum is that you get people like Husar who immediatley attack anyone who has a different idea. Look at the way that he uses his caps. Look at his vocabulary - its limited to 20 words. If you don't agree with him, you are a Nazi/Croat and he will try to ridicule you....I feel like if I was back in grade school. Common guy you are 35 yrs old and I would bet a cool 1000 bucks that a 10 yr old can debate better than you.
This behaviour is ruining for the rest of the forum users.
-
merkava supports NAZICROATS
for the "sake" of this forum, for sure.
My vocabulary limitated itself
to twenty words from the day
this NAZICROAT INVASION began.
merkava considers Serbs as subhumans.
Thus, he becomes a NAZI himself.
merkava is fast on insulting me
just because I do not tolerate
NAZICROATS.
Thus, he insults SERBDOM.
he's on his path to join
some NAZICROAT "foreign volunteers"...
-
About the Serbian sub-forum of JTF.
We do not have standard rules.
That’s the problem.
We are dealing here with struggle against historical facts.
There are some not appreciated topics in operation on this forum.
There is of course room for other opinions and for third parties.
We are not a Bolshevik organization or dictators, but there must be some kind of a limit. I think that certain lies should absolutely not be tolerated at this forum:
The messages must not include the following misled propaganda:
- Everything that is in struggle against the real context of the Serbian Chetnik movement.
- False interpretation of the Serbian religion.
- Western media lies about the Serbs. Propaganda from the Clinton – Bair
generation.
- Communist oriented lies which have their roots coming from the Vatican.
- Deny of the genocide against the Serbs.
- Glorification of murders or of atrocities.
- Insulting the Serbian religion, church and the Christian bible.
Who does agree with this?
Comrade please write also your own conditions.
And if we all agree, than the moderator, can approve the recognized conditions.
For a better forum!
I AGREE
O0 O0 O0
-
About the Serbian sub-forum of JTF.
We do not have standard rules.
That’s the problem.
We are dealing here with struggle against historical facts.
There are some not appreciated topics in operation on this forum.
There is of course room for other opinions and for third parties.
We are not a Bolshevik organization or dictators, but there must be some kind of a limit. I think that certain lies should absolutely not be tolerated at this forum:
The messages must not include the following misled propaganda:
- Everything that is in struggle against the real context of the Serbian Chetnik movement.
- False interpretation of the Serbian religion.
- Western media lies about the Serbs. Propaganda from the Clinton – Bair
generation.
- Communist oriented lies which have their roots coming from the Vatican.
- Deny of the genocide against the Serbs.
- Glorification of murders or of atrocities.
- Insulting the Serbian religion, church and the Christian bible.
Who does agree with this?
Comrades please write also your own conditions.
And if we all agree, than the moderator can approve the recognized conditions.
For a better forum!
I agree
It would be nice, if it's possible
-
If JTF expects us, Serbs,
to prove, disprove, explain,
WHATEVER comes from the typing
of NAZICROATS and other NAZIS,
which come in constant flood from this sunday on,
we will never be able to talk about far more
important things.
Our JTF work becomes truly impossible.
The problem with this forum is that you get people like Husar who immediatley attack anyone who has a different idea. Look at the way that he uses his caps. Look at his vocabulary - its limited to 20 words. If you don't agree with him, you are a Nazi/Croat and he will try to ridicule you....I feel like if I was back in grade school. Common guy you are 35 yrs old and I would bet a cool 1000 bucks that a 10 yr old can debate better than you.
This behaviour is ruining for the rest of the forum users.
Is it always the same defences that the croats give...like the muslims do? Same old tired crap that we have disproved over and over and over and all we get are lame excuses? I can understand why Husar is tired of it.
Maybe his first language isnt english, in which case he does a pretty great job of communicating to us in english, and its widely accepted that using all caps is equivalent to yelling, but its not always the case. He has every right to be suspicious of people he knows are a threat to him, its time that EVIL prove to us its changed instead of US having to prove it hasnt.
-
kellymaureen, you understood this,
just by asking the question :
"Is it always the same defences the croats give...like the muslims do?"
O0
Yes. Yet, these are not "defences", but sheer insults.
"Same old tired crap that we have disproved over and over and over"
Again: right in the middle of the target, kellymaureen.
O0
And finally this :
"I can understand why Husar is tired of it."
Thank you, Sister.
;)
These days
of NAZICROAT INVASION
were truly exhausting.
"He has every right to be suspicious of people he knows are a threat to him"
O0
Suspicious is a small word,
for my feelings about any
NAZICROAT...
mord discovered himself
that "the truth must be told"
wasn't at all a "Jewish croat",
but only a NAZICROAT.
I have been attacked
because I knew the claims
of the NAZICROAT were false,
(of course)
and called this zombie: "NAZICROAT",
from my very first acknowledgment of
this cannibal roaming in our JTF forum.
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=10946.0
Merkava and Dexter
didn't believe me,
and were READY to
listen to a NAZICROAT's
propaganda,
BELIEVING it was a "Jew".
I here thank mord
very much for not
having been fooled.
:P :P :P
"its time that EVIL prove to us its changed"
EVIL remains EVIL forever.
They're the SAME nowadays.
Concerning my (angry) use of "caps" (capital letters),
it was, and I said it, just because I was "pissed off"
by the NAZICROAT INVASION.
Merkava said even that my vocabulary was limited to twenty words
(I remind you: it began with the NAZICROAT INVASION),
he wasn't true: my vocabulary was limited to TWO words:
BAN NAZICROATS, then.
;)
Thank you, kellymaureen,
for paying attention
to our Serbian JTF section.
:)
-
Thank you, kellymaureen,
for paying attention
to our Serbian JTF section.
Not a problem, you guys are great!
We all need to work together O0
-
Well, if someone will come here and spread "Croatian Propagnda", and the next thing he will know is that he is banned will proove him that he is right. There is nothing to do with these people but proove tham they are wrong.
You can't prove anybody wrong on a forum.
Absolute proof requires a law court with unbiassed judges and teams of investigators with large resources.
Example:
When a nazi claims the showa never happened, what do you do?
You can quote all the history books and news artivles and show all the pics you like. He'll just say they're "all lies and propaganda created by the zionist conspiracy".
You can't win against insanity like that. Just ban them.
-
Well, if someone will come here and spread "Croatian Propagnda", and the next thing he will know is that he is banned will proove him that he is right. There is nothing to do with these people but proove tham they are wrong.
You can't prove anybody wrong on a forum.
Absolute proof requires a law court with unbiassed judges and teams of investigators with large resources.
Example:
When a nazi claims the showa never happened, what do you do?
You can quote all the history books and news artivles and show all the pics you like. He'll just say they're "all lies and propaganda created by the zionist conspiracy".
You can't win against insanity like that. Just ban them.
but thats just giving them the satifaction that there right
-
My opinion on this is that we should avoid getting into discussion with those animals,and here is why :
There are historical facts that none can distort:Whoever has read books about history and WW2 knows excactly who started the war,who carried out the holocaust which of the so called "smaller" countries under occupation supported which side etc.It is well documented and if you do your homework none of this animals that try to spread their deadly propaganda will achieve their goal to divide us.
It`s just disguisting to see how the murderes of yesterday want to become the moralists of today by using vicious lies and defamation.
We should not fall for it.
-
I think the real problem in this forum is right infront of you. It is the colour of this forum's background.
It causes me to have seizures and epileptic fits >:(
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7479/foaming6qv.jpg)
-
I'm all for debating individuals if they actually come here to engage in a debate. If they are here to use propaganda and cute debating techniques because they have no facts to back up their argument, then ban them. To engage in a one-sided debate is a waste of time.
-
I'm all for debating individuals if they actually come here to engage in a debate. If they are here to use propaganda and cute debating techniques because they have no facts to back up their argument, then ban them. To engage in a one-sided debate is a waste of time.
HiWarp,
we serbs had to face a
NAZICROAT, flood-like,
tsunami-like, INVASION.
It was not an individual.
Furthermore,
these NAZICROATS didn't arrive
in order to "debate", but in order
to destroy this Serbian JTF work.
8;)
But, as I listen
and understand Chaim
entirely, I won't keep on
repeating: "BAN", "BAN and "BAN".
:)
I stopped this,
even if I was personnaly insulted by
the last NAZICROAT that penetrated here,
(the one (beast) that chose "chicagoserb81"
as a nick-name, once more,
in order to create confusion
among the JTFers).
8)
Being insulted by them,
as we know WHAT they are,
is an HONOR.
8)
I'm ready,
more than ever,
to have fun with them.
;)
-
O0
-
but its a forum any one should be able to post, if not it isnt a forum then its more of a privet meeting place
-
@jewboy,
a forum is for discussing, absolutely right,
but when it comes to sheer insulting,
it's another thing, not a forum...
:)
-
@jewboy,
a forum is for discussing, absolutely right,
but when it comes to sheer insulting,
it's another thing, not a forum...
:)
he banned O0 :::D
-
It's banned ?
O.K. then...
:)
-
This is today's problem, nazi croat under false nick serbianchetnik2 is insulting me for my patriotic avatar and calling brother Husar to be everything but Serb >:( >:(
-
Dear Serbian Army,
since this poor creature hasn't got
any valid "argument" to "fight" with us,
it is rather a pityful one little thing.
;)
Let's just shoot it up and down.
;D
-
Dear Serbian Army,
since this poor creature hasn't got
any valid "argument" to "fight" with us,
it is rather a pityful one little thing.
;)
Let's just shoot it up and down.
;D
he is telling moderators how his 50 family mamber have been killed by ustasha ::)
what a lier ;D :::D
-
Even if it was true,
why on earth is he attacking us ?
He goes as far as saying
I'm a NAZICROAT, and, therefore,
that I should be banned !!!
:o
Is he sane ?
He's the one that
started insulting us.
:o
-
I like learning from the Serbian members here. But why on earth are there Nazicroats and other animals invading this forum for kicks?
-
They invade this forum,
especially because of
JTF youtube videos.
They see them on youtube,
can't diggest that the Truth
is, at last, spread world-wide,
and they attack the very source
of this truth-telling Voice, JTF.
:)
Long Live JTF.
-
I think only those should be banned who refuse to debate, but defame.
We should only tolerate those who come here to find the truth: either through education or argument.
-
Is "Serbian Nazis" a title that "debates",
or a title that "defames" ?
???
-
Is "Serbian Nazis" a title that "debates",
or a title that "defames" ?
???
Any claim that is not supported by an evidence is defamation.
-
Near a
MILLION Serbs
(Men, Women
and Children)
were
murdered,
butchered,
slaughtered,
BY
the NAZIS
during WWII.
WHOM DO WE SERBS
HAVE TO "PROVE" THIS ?
??? ??? ???
-
That's the part hardest to understand.
You have to circulate proofs in an ongoing process in order to build a strong propaganda and to be ready to shoot with facts when needed.
-
That's the part hardest to understand.
You have to circulate proofs in an ongoing process in order to build a strong propaganda and to be ready to shoot with facts when needed.
The thing is I don't like propaganda... I just want the truth, nothing else. Propaganda is wrong.
-
That's the part hardest to understand.
You have to circulate proofs in an ongoing process in order to build a strong propaganda and to be ready to shoot with facts when needed.
The thing is I don't like propaganda... I just want the truth, nothing else. Propaganda is wrong.
All the Serbs DO think the same.
"Propaganda machineries" are the tools of our enemies.
We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself.
Bomb us whoever would like to, we'll defend ourselves.
Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS.
They NEED propaganda to spread their plagues.
No matter how gross and big is the lie (propaganda),
this world is dumb enough to swallow it, without asking
a single question...
Just for the sake of our Children,
we Serbs should change...perhaps...
We should improve our
own "propaganda" in this world...
Brother Chaim wrote/told this quite some times already:
we Serbs are absolutely not skilled in "propagandas"...
I myself make some caricatures of our enemies...
-
That's the part hardest to understand.
You have to circulate proofs in an ongoing process in order to build a strong propaganda and to be ready to shoot with facts when needed.
The thing is I don't like propaganda... I just want the truth, nothing else. Propaganda is wrong.
All the Serbs DO think the same.
"Propaganda machineries" are the tools of our enemies.
We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself.
Bomb us whoever would like to, we'll defend ourselves.
Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS.
They NEED propaganda to spread their plagues.
No matter how gross and big is the lie (propaganda),
this world is dumb enough to swallow it, without asking
a single question...
Just for the sake of our Children,
we Serbs should change...perhaps...
We should improve our
own "propaganda" in this world...
Brother Chaim wrote/told this quite some times already:
we Serbs are absolutely not skilled in "propagandas"...
I myself make some caricatures of our enemies...
The definition of the word "propaganda" is information spread in order to promote a particular goal. That is it doesn't mean lie.
And please.... leave those loud statements like "Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS" and "We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself"!
Serbs are not different from any other nation in this respect. We all love truth.
And if you came here because you love truth is only because JTF spreads truth through propaganda, which is (repeat after me) information spread in order to promote a particular goal.
Vsego dobrogo!
-
That's the part hardest to understand.
You have to circulate proofs in an ongoing process in order to build a strong propaganda and to be ready to shoot with facts when needed.
The thing is I don't like propaganda... I just want the truth, nothing else. Propaganda is wrong.
All the Serbs DO think the same.
"Propaganda machineries" are the tools of our enemies.
We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself.
Bomb us whoever would like to, we'll defend ourselves.
Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS.
They NEED propaganda to spread their plagues.
No matter how gross and big is the lie (propaganda),
this world is dumb enough to swallow it, without asking
a single question...
Just for the sake of our Children,
we Serbs should change...perhaps...
We should improve our
own "propaganda" in this world...
Brother Chaim wrote/told this quite some times already:
we Serbs are absolutely not skilled in "propagandas"...
I myself make some caricatures of our enemies...
The definition of the word "propaganda" is information spread in order to promote a particular goal. That is it doesn't mean lie.
And please.... leave those loud statements like "Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS" and "We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself"!
Serbs are not different from any other nation in this respect. We all love truth.
And if you came here because you love truth is only because JTF spreads truth through propaganda, which is (repeat after me) information spread in order to promote a particular goal.
Vsego dobrogo!
You're right.
-
That's the part hardest to understand.
You have to circulate proofs in an ongoing process in order to build a strong propaganda and to be ready to shoot with facts when needed.
The thing is I don't like propaganda... I just want the truth, nothing else. Propaganda is wrong.
All the Serbs DO think the same.
"Propaganda machineries" are the tools of our enemies.
We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself.
Bomb us whoever would like to, we'll defend ourselves.
Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS.
They NEED propaganda to spread their plagues.
No matter how gross and big is the lie (propaganda),
this world is dumb enough to swallow it, without asking
a single question...
Just for the sake of our Children,
we Serbs should change...perhaps...
We should improve our
own "propaganda" in this world...
Brother Chaim wrote/told this quite some times already:
we Serbs are absolutely not skilled in "propagandas"...
I myself make some caricatures of our enemies...
Now, on your turn,
repeat the red sentences after me:
Just for the sake of our Children,
we Serbs should change...perhaps...
We should improve our
own "propaganda" in this world...
Brother Chaim wrote/told this quite some times already:
we Serbs are absolutely not skilled in "propagandas"...
I myself make some caricatures of our enemies...
This meant I agreed with you.
-
That's the part hardest to understand.
You have to circulate proofs in an ongoing process in order to build a strong propaganda and to be ready to shoot with facts when needed.
The thing is I don't like propaganda... I just want the truth, nothing else. Propaganda is wrong.
All the Serbs DO think the same.
"Propaganda machineries" are the tools of our enemies.
We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself.
Bomb us whoever would like to, we'll defend ourselves.
Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS.
They NEED propaganda to spread their plagues.
No matter how gross and big is the lie (propaganda),
this world is dumb enough to swallow it, without asking
a single question...
Just for the sake of our Children,
we Serbs should change...perhaps...
We should improve our
own "propaganda" in this world...
Brother Chaim wrote/told this quite some times already:
we Serbs are absolutely not skilled in "propagandas"...
I myself make some caricatures of our enemies...
The definition of the word "propaganda" is information spread in order to promote a particular goal. That is it doesn't mean lie.
And please.... leave those loud statements like "Propaganda is for NAZIS, COMMUNISTS and ISSLAMISTS" and "We just love the Truth, much, much more above Life itself"!
Serbs are not different from any other nation in this respect. We all love truth.
And if you came here because you love truth is only because JTF spreads truth through propaganda, which is (repeat after me) information spread in order to promote a particular goal.
Vsego dobrogo!
It's easier in Serbian:
"Sve dobro !"
;)
-
About the Serbian sub-forum of JTF.
We do not have standard rules.
That’s the problem.
We are dealing here with struggle against historical facts.
There are some not appreciated topics in operation on this forum.
There is of course room for other opinions and for third parties.
We are not a Bolshevik organization or dictators, but there must be some kind of a limit. I think that certain lies should absolutely not be tolerated at this forum:
The messages must not include the following misled propaganda:
- Everything that is in struggle against the real context of the Serbian Chetnik movement.
- False interpretation of the Serbian religion.
- Western media lies about the Serbs. Propaganda from the Clinton – Bair
generation.
- Communist oriented lies which have their roots coming from the Vatican.
- Deny of the genocide against the Serbs.
- Glorification of murders or of atrocities.
- Insulting the Serbian religion, church and the Christian bible.
Who does agree with this?
Comrades please write also your own conditions.
And if we all agree, than the moderator can approve the recognized conditions.
For a better forum!
I would like 'scatholics' isn't used any longer to refer to the whole of Catholic Christians.
We in some West-European countries are Catholics, not all of us are 'scatholics' , even if some are.
i can handle all criticism that you have on the Vatican, as I can take criticism on USA/EU/NATO/UN supporting Croatia, falsely bombarding Serbia,
If you say Croatian scatholics, i can live with that .
BUT ! just stating ALL non-orthodox Christians are 'scatholics' is just insulting fellow JTF-ers, and preventing JTF to grow as a movement along the Catholic Righteous Gentiles.
-
Just for the sake of our Children,
we Serbs should change...perhaps...
We should improve our
own "propaganda" in this world...
Brother Chaim wrote/told this quite some times already:
we Serbs are absolutely not skilled in "propagandas"...
I myself make some caricatures of our enemies...
Take your propaganda war a lot more serious than you do now.
Make it the most serious cause in your life.
I'm willing to help making a killer youtube movie on Croats, genre "the REAL islam Revealed".
If you Serbs want to work together with non-Serbs here on JTF to prove, and spread the message of that 1 million deaths,
that were killed by ustasha that are today widely remembered by Croat people, and of the Heroic Serbs' history even today with the muslim annexation of Kosovo, the sacred groundof Orthodox Serbs.
And have material or send me links to material (movie, photo, voice-over texts, music).
We could dedicate ourselves to this instead of making fights with each-other.
I believe we can work together!
I mean I have skills to make movies, and you have a story to tell !
-
About the Serbian sub-forum of JTF.
We do not have standard rules.
That’s the problem.
We are dealing here with struggle against historical facts.
There are some not appreciated topics in operation on this forum.
There is of course room for other opinions and for third parties.
We are not a Bolshevik organization or dictators, but there must be some kind of a limit. I think that certain lies should absolutely not be tolerated at this forum:
The messages must not include the following misled propaganda:
- Everything that is in struggle against the real context of the Serbian Chetnik movement.
- False interpretation of the Serbian religion.
- Western media lies about the Serbs. Propaganda from the Clinton – Bair
generation.
- Communist oriented lies which have their roots coming from the Vatican.
- Deny of the genocide against the Serbs.
- Glorification of murders or of atrocities.
- Insulting the Serbian religion, church and the Christian bible.
Who does agree with this?
Comrades please write also your own conditions.
And if we all agree, than the moderator can approve the recognized conditions.
For a better forum!
I would like 'scatholics' isn't used any longer to refer to the whole of Catholic Christians.
We in some West-European countries are Catholics, not all of us are 'scatholics' , even if some are.
i can handle all criticism that you have on the Vatican, as I can take criticism on USA/EU/NATO/UN supporting Croatia, falsely bombarding Serbia,
If you say Croatian scatholics, i can live with that .
BUT ! just stating ALL non-orthodox Christians are 'scatholics' is just insulting fellow JTF-ers, and preventing JTF to grow as a movement along the Catholic Righteous Gentiles.
I have to agree ambiorix. "Scatholic" shouldn't even be used. Let's refer to the people (Enemies), not religion.
-
BUT ! just stating ALL non-orthodox Christians are 'scatholics' is just insulting fellow JTF-ers, and preventing JTF to grow as a movement along the Catholic Righteous Gentiles.
Comrade. Maybe you misunderstood me. Or maybe I was not clear enough, its possible. I have nothing against people because of their religious background.
I even have nothing against Muslims who have normal values and habits.
I am against the Vatican expansion and it’s domination.
Normal Catholics have nothing to do with that. Of course. Blaming all Catholics for the atrocities of their religious leaders is not good..
I do not accuse all Catholics for the actions of the Vatican.
I know very well what the Vatican had done toward the Serbs in Croatia.
And we Serbs must be careful with them.
To all non-orthodox Christians I can only say welcome to the JTF!
Alright comrade!
-
Hello Everyone,
As a Jewish Croat I was somewhat galvanised into making a comment on this topic....From watching a video about the Utashe and recognition of atrocities of WII from this website I noticed that apparently and which is an extreme misconception and has no factual foundation it appears to be claimed by the narrator on the video that the early 1990s Croatia was to be formed on the grounds of the WII policy of a Utashe Run independent state of Croatia which in itself is absurd......Furthermore it does not take into account that during the homeland war the orignal displacement of Krajina Croats from illegal unconstitional dealings between Babic and Milosevic but rather a list of of croatian atrosties that I do not deny but which nevertheless paints completely a one-sided picture. We seem to forget the anomalies in all this as only through searching them do you find the truth, Chetniks and Utashe seem to be somewhat like two sides of the same coin both fighting against the Partisans(Which included my relatives) at times even collaborating at the later parts of the WII. I have seen videos that show factual evidence that Nazi Germany recieved loans from Jewish bankers, Milosevic and Tudman's secret meetings, convenient ceasefires, Foreign Aid and Intelligence, Jews convinced to give negative proganda on Croatia in the 90s, the list goes well beyond these few points....Their are certainly strange forces at work.
-
Don't ever compare the Cetniks and the ustase.. Ever.. I don't care what you think or what you've seen. They are not different sides of the same coin. Cetniks never slaughtered 1.000.000 people.
And as a Jewish croat i can't believe you even compared them. Cetnici saved the jews.
as far as Cetnik collaboration goes, they struck deals and ceasefires with the italians to minimize civilian deaths.
-
Hello Everyone,
As a Jewish Croat I was somewhat galvanised into making a comment on this topic....From watching a video about the Utashe and recognition of atrocities of WII from this website I noticed that apparently and which is an extreme misconception and has no factual foundation it appears to be claimed by the narrator on the video that the early 1990s Croatia was to be formed on the grounds of the WII policy of a Utashe Run independent state of Croatia which in itself is absurd......Furthermore it does not take into account that during the homeland war the orignal displacement of Krajina Croats from illegal unconstitional dealings between Babic and Milosevic but rather a list of of croatian atrosties that I do not deny but which nevertheless paints completely a one-sided picture. We seem to forget the anomalies in all this as only through searching them do you find the truth, Chetniks and Utashe seem to be somewhat like two sides of the same coin both fighting against the Partisans(Which included my relatives) at times even collaborating at the later parts of the WII. I have seen videos that show factual evidence that Nazi Germany recieved loans from Jewish bankers, Milosevic and Tudman's secret meetings, convenient ceasefires, Foreign Aid and Intelligence, Jews convinced to give negative proganda on Croatia in the 90s, the list goes well beyond these few points....Their are certainly strange forces at work.
YOUR "strange forces at work"
led to the demonization of the sole Serbs.
8;)
Serbs faced 18 "countries" of vultures against them,
with URANIUM CARPET-BOMBINGS,
thus, for two months and a half !!!
8;)
JASENOVAC was NEVER PUNISHED.
8;)
You dare comparing
USTASHA/NAZICROATS,
SLAUGHTERERS OF HUMAN BEINGS,
with Serbian Cetniks ?
WHERE is any picture
of an USTASHA taken as a HERO
by any american WWII newspaper ?
8;)
Serbian Cetnik leader Mihajlovich
was displayed on a cover of an american newspaper,
as a True Hero he was/is forever.
8;)
As a "Jew", you like it,
when Israelis are compared
to NAZIS ?
This would anger you, wouldn't it ?
The same goes for the SERBS.
8;)
When I especially read you're a Jew, coming to defend "croats",
you remind me only of Jewish Traitor MLADEN SCHWARTZ,
that became an USTASHA/NAZICROAT.
You are alike.
How "nice" and "cultural"...
You're an "albright-kind" of Jew, a very wrong one.
8)
-
Serbian Cetnik Leader,
Draza Mihajlovic, on the cover of WWII "Time Magazine",
picture entitled :
"MIHAJLOVIC : yugoslavia's UNCONQUERED":
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5629/1101420525400mo1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Mihajlovic, Serbia, Serbian Victims of the Holocaust,
whom "dado" (NAZICROAT claiming to be "Jew") spits on,
COMPARING Serbian Cetniks with NAZICROATS/USTASHA !!!!
>:( >:( >:(
Where is THE picture of ANTE PAVELIC,
NAZICROAT/USTASHA FUEHRER,
taken as an exmple, by any WWII Ally ?!!!!
8;)
"dado", go back to your NAZICROAT HELL !!!
8)
-
_"YOU, CETNIKS !!!
DON'T TOUCH OUR DADO !!!
YOU, NAZI SERBS !!!"
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/308/kl8tjycant83gscazi7mekcco9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
_"HEIL DADO !!!"
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7097/nav2qf0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7097/nav2qf0.6aa6150f0c.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=511&i=nav2qf0.jpg)
From "croatia", with love_
-
We must stop these Nazi KKKroats! >:(
-
Hello Everyone,
that the early 1990s Croatia was to be formed on the grounds of the WII policy of a Utashe Run independent state of Croatia which in itself is absurd
Oke,
What are the differences between Croatia during WW2 and Croatia of the 90ties till this day?
During WW2 the Croatian government started to execute the Serbs, Jews and the Roma.
In contradiction to the Croatia of Ante Pavelic the Croatia of Tudjman started to terrorize only the Serbs.
Is that you difference? I can not make an other excuse for you.
There are no other differences between NDH and today’s Croatia!
You maybe have no problems with Tujdman’s Croatia because you are not of Serbian origin. But the 800.000 Serbs from Krajina and Croatia had other experiences.
When Tudjman gained power in Croatia the Serbs lost their constitutional rights which were guaranteed to them according to the constitution from 1974 and according to the foundation of socialist Croatia in 1945. Croatia had no right to take these illegal actions knowing that that could be the occasion of a civil war.
Do not force me to tell you what we experienced in Croatia during the 90ties.
Do you know what happened to the Serbs in Croatia after the victory of HDZ?
If you do not want to acknowledge that than you are being inerasable and you might have also sympathy for the establishemt of the Serb free Croatia.
Croatia started the war with the Serbian minority with purpose to banish the Serbs from Krajina and Croatia. With out a war it would not been possible to realize the dreams of Ante Starcevic, Ante Pavelic and of Franjo Tudjman and the dream was an ethnic clean Croatia.
-
The problems in the forum are not the nazis or croats. We can ban them easily. Just like the problem in Israel isn't really the nazi-muslim terrorists. It's ourselves. It's our choices. As Jews, we do not have the luxury of blaming others or circumstances.
The problem in the forum is the lack of respect towards each other and the lack of dignity in posts. Egos and emotions can cause a lot of problems but it's important to think before we post. We are required to be kind to one another and intelligent debate will make a much bigger difference than name calling. In the immortal words of the great Rabbi Kahane: "Those who can't debate defame"
And in response to a lack of rules or policies, there are rules and solid guidelines for the forum. You can find them here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=441.0
-
The problems in the forum are not the nazis or croats. We can ban them easily. Just like the problem in Israel isn't really the nazi-muslim terrorists. It's ourselves. It's our choices. As Jews, we do not have the luxury of blaming others or circumstances.
The problem in the forum is the lack of respect towards each other and the lack of dignity in posts. Egos and emotions can cause a lot of problems but it's important to think before we post. We are required to be kind to one another and intelligent debate will make a much bigger difference than name calling. In the immortal words of the great Rabbi Kahane: "Those who can't debate defame"
And in response to a lack of rules or policies, there are rules and solid guidelines for the forum. You can find them here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=441.0
I guess you're adressing this post
to "dado", the NAZICROAT.
8;)
-
The problems in the forum are not the nazis or croats. We can ban them easily. Just like the problem in Israel isn't really the nazi-muslim terrorists. It's ourselves. It's our choices. As Jews, we do not have the luxury of blaming others or circumstances.
The problem in the forum is the lack of respect towards each other and the lack of dignity in posts. Egos and emotions can cause a lot of problems but it's important to think before we post. We are required to be kind to one another and intelligent debate will make a much bigger difference than name calling. In the immortal words of the great Rabbi Kahane: "Those who can't debate defame"
And in response to a lack of rules or policies, there are rules and solid guidelines for the forum. You can find them here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=441.0
I agree an intelligent debate is the best solution.
-
The problems in the forum are not the nazis or croats. We can ban them easily. Just like the problem in Israel isn't really the nazi-muslim terrorists. It's ourselves. It's our choices. As Jews, we do not have the luxury of blaming others or circumstances.
The problem in the forum is the lack of respect towards each other and the lack of dignity in posts. Egos and emotions can cause a lot of problems but it's important to think before we post. We are required to be kind to one another and intelligent debate will make a much bigger difference than name calling. In the immortal words of the great Rabbi Kahane: "Those who can't debate defame"
And in response to a lack of rules or policies, there are rules and solid guidelines for the forum. You can find them here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=441.0
I agree an intelligent debate is the best solution.
If you call "intelligent"
someone who just comes and DARES COMPARING
Cetniks with USTASHA/NAZICROATS,
I 'd better go home !!!
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/HPM/SM1109.jpg)
-
I would like to clarify. Respecting others on the forum does not mean showing respect to those who wish to kill us. Liberals and elitist politicians do that nonsense.
But I do like to see when members of the forum really tear nazi scum into pieces and make them look like the evil fools they actually are... at least until we find them and ban them.
-
If you call "intelligent"
someone who just comes and DARES COMPARING
Cetniks with USTASHA/NAZICROATS,
I 'd better go home !!!
Comrade,
Do not come to me.
I am not the founder of this forum.
See this page I had written my conditions, my opinion is clear.
I have said enough.
But if we are dealing with opinions from third parties from our enemies than we must fight them with all our weapons. This is a discussion a forum, so facts and arguments are our weapons. Soon of later we will face them. So prepare your self with facts, knowledge and arguments.
It is better for our interests now to fight them with arguments instead of responding with emotions like we have no control about everything.
I prefer a cold blood attitude.
.
-
Cetniks fight the NAZIS.
USTASHA/NAZICROATS are NAZIS.
Cetniks do not raise their right arm, in doing the NAZI "salute".
USTASHA/NAZICROATS do that, and call it USTASHA/NAZICROAT "salute".
Cetniks wore their own Serbian uniforms.
USTASHA/NAZICROATS wore either fascist
(to say the least) black uniforms,
or GERMANAZI HELMETS, BOOTS, IRON-CROSSES....
Cetniks had their Serbian mothers, sisters,
brothers, fathers, grand-fathers, grand-mothers,
slaughtered, murdered, killed, raped, starved to death.
USTASHA/NAZICROATS had their mothers giving birth to NAZICROATS/USTASHA,
their sons engaging in NAZICROAT/USTASHA ranks of butchers,
their grand-parents sieg-heiling to younger generations of NAZICROATS/USTASHA.
Cetniks never ever went in Stalingrad to fight the soviets.
NAZICROATS/USTASHA DID.
Cetniks never ever saw Serbia grow, because of any fictitious "collaboration".
NAZICROATS/USTASHA had a "country" given to them
by shitler and mussolini, as an award for their zelous Kollaboration.
Cetniks saw Serbia diminishing
because of every NAZI around Serbia,
TAKING PARTS OF SERBIA
(including NAZICROATS/USTASHA).
NAZICROATS/USTASHA saw the most hideous "creation" on earth ever,
"N.D.H." (google this), their "independant state of croatia" GROW HUGE.
Cetniks never had a leader giving cheers to shitler.
NAZICROATS/USTASHA had their fuehrer ANTE PAVELIC visiting regularly shitler.
8;)
ANYBODY comparing Cetniks with NAZICROATS
IS INSULTING SERBIA AND SERBIAN VICTIMS
OF THE NAZI HOLOCAUST.
Since we're "just" Serbs,
everything is permitted,
whereas, here,
the p a l e s t i n i a n s
are called everything except
p a l e s t i n i a n s .
Even for a "debat's sake",
no p a l e s t i n i a n
is called p a l e s t i n i a n,
(rightfully).
But we Serbs
are demanded to/have to deal,
AGAIN AND AGAIN with NAZICROAT LIES,
until the end of times,
EVEN in this JTF forum,
which is unfair.
JTF is for us an OASIS of friendship,
yet, non-Serb JTFers "appreciate"/"would like to see"
us "debating" with our WORST ENEMIES,
which makes me sick.
:-[
I AM A HUMAN BEING.
MY BLOOD BOILS SO FASTLY,
when Serbia is insulted.
Others could sit and watch,
how we get insulted,
for the "debat's sake"...
As a Serb, I can't.
:-X
If anybody calls Israelians "NAZIS",
I'd be among those who would cheer
the banishment of the insulter.
But Serbia compared to NAZICROATIA......
I am said to temper myself,
to accept the "debate"....
???
I cannot.
I won't ask
for any banishment,
I will provoke it.
8;)
First of all, when NAZICROAT fake
(or true, but definitely lost to Mankind) "Jew" came,
and I'm glad it registered, for the JTF's sake,
I didn't seek its banishment.
Re-read all my posts.
8;)
That has to be clear,
since this is a thing
I learned from Chaim.
O0
Neither did I insult this "croature",
simply exposed it briefly, concisely.
Of course "NAZI" and "USTASHA" are the worst ever insults,
but NAZICROATS/USTASHAS don't consider this as insults.
8;)
That's why I do not see why
Shlomo felt the need to put his post
about some "good behaviour"
in this wonderful forum.
8;)
Unless he expected me
to cheer/welcome the NAZICROAT's
rotten arrival among us, Serbs.
:-X
I haven't seen many baalestinians debating with JTFers,
for the many months I am in this great forum.
On the contrary, I saw a flood of NAZICROATS.
8;)
On the very beginning,
I was shouting (too much) for their banishment.
:P
Brother Chaim explained, especially to me,
that I was wrong, that it is good to have
NAZICROATS registering in great numbers,
since the JTF position in the google
is better in such "situations".
A thing I whole-heartedly understood,
I apologized to Chaim, and felt much better.
O0 O0 O0
But I guess even Chaim wouldn't like
to have HIS Serbs insulted,
and this, in HIS forum.
8;)
DARING comparing Serbian Cetniks
with NAZICROATS/USTASHA is definitely
a big insult to Serbdom.
>:( >:( >:(
Where's the "debate" ?
An insult was thrown at us, Serbs, not a "debate".
Still, I wasn't crying for the banishment of the beast.
But don't ask too much from me,
I am a ben Adam also,
with all his blood, bones and....nerves.
-
Husar, you need to calm down. Your posts are really strange and full of extreme anger. It's like anything sets you off. I think you took me wrong and then ran off at me more than once in more than one thread and I have been very fair and patient with you. Some of what you posted doesn't even make sense and is really hard to read. And NO ONE in here is comparing Cetniks with Croats, G-d forbid. I'm not even sure where you got that from.
Babylonian Talmud, Pesachim 113b
There are three people the Holy One loves: One who does not get angry. One who does not get drunk. One who does not stand on ceremony.
Babylonian Talmud, Eruvin 65b
Rabbi Ila'i said: A person is known by three things: his cup (by how he holds his wine), his pocket (by his generosity) and his anger.
Maimonides, The Laws of Behavior 2:2
...So too with anger which is an extremely destructive trait, and it is fitting that one should distance one's self from it to the most extreme, and train himself not to get angry, even at something at which it is appropriate to be angry. If he wishes to make a point with his family or his community, if he was a trustee, and he wishes to improve their ways, he should feign anger in front of them in order to impress them, but he should be in control of himself when he is feigning anger, for he should not truly be angry.
The sages stated: Anyone who becomes angry is like one who practices idolatry.
And they stated: Anyone who is angry--if he is wise, his wisdom flees from him. If he is a Prophet--his Prophecy flees from him. Those who live with rage, their lives aren't worth living, therefore, they commanded [us] to distance ourselves from anger to the point where we will not be sensitive to that which is worth being angry about. This is the best way, and the way of the righteous. They will take insults, but they will not insult others. They will heed their shame, and they will not respond. They only act out of love, and they are happy even in their affliction. It is written of them: "And those who love Him are like the sun that comes out when it is most mighty." (Judges 5:31)
You need to calm down and get control of your emotions. I've had many people complain that you just "go off" on them and that you are hot headed. Is that how you want to be known?
As per the discussion, on the Hebrew forum they would logically crush the nazis before they banned them. Then when others went on the forum, they said "oohhh... that's why!". It's better to keep a record of why they are wrong for google searches because it increases the number of visitors on the forum.
-
Husar, you need to calm down. Your posts are really strange and full of extreme anger.
You're right, it's great to be compared to USTASHA, sooo great.
It's like anything sets you off. I think you took me wrong and then ran off at me more than once in more than one thread
Which other thread, please ?
and I have been very fair and patient with you. Some of what you posted doesn't even make sense and is really hard to read.
I should post in Serbian.
And NO ONE in here is comparing Cetniks with Croats, G-d forbid. I'm not even sure where you got that from.
Your "debating" NAZICROAT dado did,
on its very first (and unic, it seems) post.
But of course, I'm too crazy to get angry at this ugly lie...
Babylonian Talmud, Pesachim 113b
There are three people the Holy One loves: One who does not get angry.
Here, I guess I'm hated...
One who does not get drunk. One who does not stand on ceremony.
Babylonian Talmud, Eruvin 65b
Rabbi Ila'i said: A person is known by three things: his cup (by how he holds his wine), his pocket (by his generosity) and his anger.
Well, I'm known by my anger....
Maimonides, The Laws of Behavior 2:2
...So too with anger which is an extremely destructive trait, and it is fitting that one should distance one's self from it to the most extreme, and train himself not to get angry, even at something at which it is appropriate to be angry.
That's quite hard, isn't it ?
If he wishes to make a point with his family or his community, if he was a trustee, and he wishes to improve their ways, he should feign anger in front of them in order to impress them, but he should be in control of himself when he is feigning anger, for he should not truly be angry.
Well, who tells you I'm truly angry, Shlomo ?
The sages stated: Anyone who becomes angry is like one who practices idolatry.
And they stated: Anyone who is angry--if he is wise, his wisdom flees from him.
Everything flees from me,
at the sight of a NAZICROAT.
If he is a Prophet--his Prophecy flees from him.
I'm not aiming to be one.
Those who live with rage, their lives aren't worth living
They're right, let NAZICROATS
slaughter one more angry Serb.
, therefore, they commanded [us] to distance ourselves from anger to the point where we will not be sensitive to that which is worth being angry about.
What about the insult, then ?
Anybody can spit on us, just like that...?
???
This is the best way, and the way of the righteous. They will take insults, but they will not insult others. They will heed their shame, and they will not respond. They only act out of love, and they are happy even in their affliction. It is written of them: "And those who love Him are like the sun that comes out when it is most mighty." (Judges 5:31)
So, you're expecting of me
to "act with love" towards
a NAZICROAT ?!!!
You need to calm down and get control of your emotions.
I was in "full-control", let's say this like that,
until you came to show the rules of the JTF Forum,
at a moment where I wasn't breaking any.
I've had many people complain that you just "go off" on them
If they are meek to NAZICROATS,
(and many are)
that doesn't surprize me at all.
Other JTFers love me like I am.
and that you are hot headed. Is that how you want to be known?
This, young man, is how SERBS are known.
8;)
And I am Serbian.
NAZO planes carpet-bombed Serbia,
the Serbian Crowds went OUTSIDE,
with TARGETS on their clothes.
8;)
If you kill that in us,
you kill SERBDOM.
8;)
We Serbs call this "PRKOS" and "INAT".
8;)
You'd quicker make
a fish out off a bird,
than having tamed Serbs.
shitler tried, and lost.
8;)
As per the discussion, on the Hebrew forum they would logically crush the nazis before they banned them.
Once again:
I never demanded
this "croature"
to be banned.
8;)
Then when others went on the forum, they said "oohhh... that's why!". It's better to keep a record of why they are wrong for google searches because it increases the number of visitors on the forum.
This is something Brother Chaim
explained to me very well,
and which I understood,
thank you.
No need for you to "remind" me about this,
since I didn't call for anybody's banishment.
8;)
-
NAZICROAT INSIGNIA TODAY, not in WWII:
(http://www4.slikomat.com/07/0412/200421fbtw.jpg)
-
What is wrong with you? You are debating the Talmud, Maimonides, and even Rabbi Kahane! That is arrogant and foolish. I take it you are not a religious person by the things you are saying. People who love G-d don't act this way. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Which other thread, please ?
How about this one:
I will, if not banned by Shlomo,
because of my HATE towards NAZICROATS.
O0
Why do you think I like croats? Where did you get that from?? That's insane. I have NEVER said I like nazis or croats, G-d forbid. Any time anyone argues with you (which is often), you go into a HUGE rant about how bad croats and nazis are even though that has nothing to do with what they are talking about. Of course we hate croats and nazis! This is JTF... and a religious forum.
And so many people are complaining on a regular basis about how you go off on them. I'm tired of getting messages about this.
Well, who tells you I'm truly angry, Shlomo ?
You did.
Through drawing, I release my Anger.
I feel better when what I have in mind
is shown, whatever the way.
Well, I'm known by my anger....
So because people know you for acting wrong, that makes it ok? You need to have some self control and stop fighting with members in the forum. It's wrong and it's against the rules.
I'm tired of messing with this foolishness and I'm losing my patience with you. This is a warning. Calm down.
-
What is wrong with you? You are debating the Talmud, Maimonides, and even Rabbi Kahane! That is arrogant and foolish. I take it you are not a religious person by the things you are saying. People who love G-d don't act this way. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Which other thread, please ?
How about this one:
I will, if not banned by Shlomo,
because of my HATE towards NAZICROATS.
O0
This one was the only one.
Why do you think I like croats?
You're not "debating" a NAZICROAT,
but a SERB, right now.
8;)
Where did you get that from?? That's insane. I have NEVER said I like nazis or croats, G-d forbid. Any time anyone argues with you (which is often), you go into a HUGE rant about how bad croats and nazis are even though that has nothing to do with what they are talking about. Of course we hate croats and nazis! This is JTF... and a religious forum.
And so many people are complaining on a regular basis about how you go off on them. I'm tired of getting messages about this.
Get rid of the messengers, not of me.
8;)
Well, who tells you I'm truly angry, Shlomo ?
You did.
Through drawing, I release my Anger.
I feel better when what I have in mind
is shown, whatever the way.
Through drawing, I release many more things...
Well, I'm known by my anger....
So because people know you for acting wrong, that makes it ok?
It is "acting wrong" to get angry at NAZICROATS ?
Because, that's WHEN I was dealing with "dado" the NAZICROAT,
that you came to argue with me, like you're doing now.
You need to have some self control and stop fighting with members in the forum. It's wrong and it's against the rules.
I fight with the ones that FIGHT me.
Where are you then ?
I'm tired of messing with this foolishness
Still, you come back again and again against me...
and I'm losing my patience with you. This is a warning. Calm down.
Ban me like you didn't do, with "DADO", the NAZICROAT...
-
Husar please as your friend I ask you please listen to Shlomo. :-\
-
Husar please as your friend I ask you please listen to Shlomo. :-\
Dear Skippy,
I listened to him, and abandonned this thread,
but saw his name, and wanted, which is normal,
to read what he wrote...about me, once again....
What am I supposed to do ?
-
Husar please as your friend I ask you please listen to Shlomo. :-\
Dear Skippy,
I listened to him, and abandonned this thread,
but saw his name, and wanted, which is normal,
to read what he wrote...about me, once again....
What am I supposed to do ?
I know Husar :-\ :-\ :-\
You are a fine and honorable man.
I know I should not give advice I am more fiery than you.
Maybe I can assist you in this and this only, Admin are like the Boss, and must be treated with respect no matter how wrong they are.
As we know comrade, rank is always important. 8;)
-
You're right, Skippy, as always.
They have THE banishing button,
I just have my Sheer Serbian Will.
They must win...
-
You're right, Skippy, as always.
They have THE banishing button,
I just have my Sheer Serbian Will.
They must win...
Just Serbain Will? ???
What more do you need, it is who you are.
Does it not command respect?
-
You're right, Skippy, as always.
They have THE banishing button,
I just have my Sheer Serbian Will.
They must win...
Just Serbain Will? ???
What more do you need, it is who you are.
Does it not command respect?
I know, Skippy,
that this is who I am.
I do not need anything else,
except my family, of course.
;)
It seems not, though,
to "command respect".
???
Neither do the Serbian Victims
of the holocaust "command respect".
Since when the NAZICROAT
spits its venom on
Serbs Dead and Alive,
on Serbia and on Serbdom,
I am supposed to behave
like a baby-sitter towards it,
not like a Serbian Man...
::)
-
Husar please as your friend I ask you please listen to Shlomo. :-\
Dear Skippy,
I listened to him, and abandonned this thread,
but saw his name, and wanted, which is normal,
to read what he wrote...about me, once again....
What am I supposed to do ?
Husar,
We're supposed to do exactly what he says.
Hate should be controlled by ignoring the [emotions of] hate.
The reason for this is , because you will auto-destroy yourself if you go on like this.
Take his advice seriously instead of playing the victim.
If Nazi-Croats invade, we ask an admin to ban them, and wait.
It is just pollution , that needs to be cleaned up.
You're always welcome to explain your differences of opinion with some other Serbs,
But keep anger out of it. Keep it polite. I locked two treads concerning the blond Serbs.
Not because of the message itself, but just because the internal fighting on this forum makes me angry.
When we are angry our IQ's drop by 75% and we start saying stupid things.
It's a waste of energy and a waste of time. (and of serverbandwidth)
I have the same amount of hate-feelings against the invaders of my land here.
But I try to control this, in order not to destroy myself.
I know it's hard ... can't even find words for it.
But do you see Chaim Ben Pesach making these kind of posts?
NO.
Why not?
Because people would regard him as a fool if he would.
Because he uses strategies, to fight his enemies.
Because he uses his anger in a positive way, and
mastered the technique, Shlomo gave us.
At the end this forum/organisation needs to accomplish a lot more than fighting croat-sub-chimps.
We need to take over power in the civilised world, to save it from total disaster.
If you would spend 50 % of your forum-time on studying how to make zootube videos against croatnazis,
Do some of your anger-releasing there, I think, I would be happy to help create these movies.
Actually, we need to build an army and drive them out.
To do that. We need our heads cool.
-
Husar please as your friend I ask you please listen to Shlomo. :-\
Dear Skippy,
I listened to him, and abandonned this thread,
but saw his name, and wanted, which is normal,
to read what he wrote...about me, once again....
What am I supposed to do ?
Husar,
We're supposed to do exactly what he says.
Hate should be controlled by ignoring the [emotions of] hate.
Is this some yoga ?
The reason for this is , because you will auto-destroy yourself if you go on like this.
Serbs auto-destroyed themselves in WWI,
in WWII because of their HATE towards the NAZIS.
You should all ask any Serb, what "PRKOS" and/or "INAT" mean to us.
Take his advice seriously instead of playing the victim.
Am I not, while the NAZICROAT
hardly received a pinch on its slimy nose ?...
If Nazi-Croats invade, we ask an admin to ban them, and wait.
I EVEN DIDN'T SEEK ITS BANISHMENT.
I wanted to play with it, when Shlomo came.
Will someone read my posts ?...
It is just pollution , that needs to be cleaned up.
You're always welcome to explain your differences of opinion with some other Serbs,
NAZICROAT "dado" wasn't Serb.
But keep anger out of it. Keep it polite. I locked two treads concerning the blond Serbs.
Not because of the message itself, but just because the internal fighting on this forum makes me angry.
OK, then lies can be spread,
without any JTFer standing against it,
what a "polite" forum...
When we are angry our IQ's drop by 75% and we start saying stupid things.
Whatever, keep smiling with
Flanders' muSSlims, if you're
afraid of being angry.
I'm not.
And this anger of mine was
against a NAZICROAT, "dado".
It's a waste of energy and a waste of time. (and of serverbandwidth)
I was about to EVEN forget this thread,
when I saw Shlomo wrote something.....about me.
I just answered to him, since I, as a Human being,
have hands, mouth, brain...
I have the same amount of hate-feelings against the invaders of my land here.
But I try to control this, in order not to destroy myself.
I know it's hard ... can't even find words for it.
What about becoming a JEDI ?
But do you see Chaim Ben Pesach making these kind of posts?
NO.
Why not?
Because people would regard him as a fool if he would.
Enemies regard us as "fools"
whatever we do, however
we are "in control".
Because he uses strategies, to fight his enemies.
Because he uses his anger in a positive way, and
mastered the technique, Shlomo gave us.
At the end this forum/organisation needs to accomplish a lot more than fighting croat-sub-chimps.
We need to take over power in the civilised world, to save it from total disaster.
If you would spend 50 % of your forum-time on studying how to make zootube videos against croatnazis,
I have no camera, and if I had one,
I fear I would put my very stubborn Serbian face in front of it,
and behave like a tiger in its cage, making a fool of myself,
and risking for my Family's Well-Being.
Videos are not for me right now,
perhaps when I will be, God-Willing,
95 years old, and somewhat "cooler".
Do some of your anger-releasing there, I think, I would be happy to help create these movies.
I wasn't so angry, but Shlomo arrived,
with the forum's rules I wasn't even breaking...
just because I started to do my warm-ups
against the NAZICROAT "dado".
Actually, we need to build an army and drive them out.
To do that. We need our heads cool.
Well then, forget hot-tempered Serbs.
-
you don't need a camera... just video-software
-
you don't need a camera... just video-software
Perhaps, certainly, if you say so...
but since I am not as "cool-headed" as Chaim,
I 'll have to wait until my 95 years old,
God-Willing, to be as "cool"...
-
you don't need a camera... just video-software
Perhaps, certainly, if you say so...
but since I am not as "cool-headed" as Chaim,
I 'll have to wait until my 95 years old,
G-d-Willing, to be as "cool"...
keeping cool means, doing it tomorrow, not when you're dead.
-
You're right, Skippy, as always.
They have THE banishing button,
I just have my Sheer Serbian Will.
They must win...
Just Serbain Will? ???
What more do you need, it is who you are.
Does it not command respect?
I know, Skippy,
that this is who I am.
I do not need anything else,
except my family, of course.
;)
It seems not, though,
to "command respect".
???
Neither do the Serbian Victims
of the holocaust "command respect".
Since when the NAZICROAT
spits its venom on
Serbs Dead and Alive,
on Serbia and on Serbdom,
I am supposed to behave
like a baby-sitter towards it,
not like a Serbian Man...
::)
I have only ever thought of you as a man, Husar no Croat will ever change that.
-
You're right, Skippy, as always.
They have THE banishing button,
I just have my Sheer Serbian Will.
They must win...
Just Serbain Will? ???
What more do you need, it is who you are.
Does it not command respect?
I know, Skippy,
that this is who I am.
I do not need anything else,
except my family, of course.
;)
It seems not, though,
to "command respect".
???
Neither do the Serbian Victims
of the holocaust "command respect".
Since when the NAZICROAT
spits its venom on
Serbs Dead and Alive,
on Serbia and on Serbdom,
I am supposed to behave
like a baby-sitter towards it,
not like a Serbian Man...
::)
I have only ever thought of you as a man, Husar no Croat will ever change that.
You're a great Woman, Skippy.
We are the same, you towards the japs (almost like I),
I towards the NAZICROATS, and both of us towards the germans.
8;)
-
Hello Everyone,
As a Jewish Croat I was somewhat galvanised into making a comment on this topic....From watching a video about the Utashe and recognition of atrocities of WII from this website I noticed that apparently and which is an extreme misconception and has no factual foundation it appears to be claimed by the narrator on the video that the early 1990s Croatia was to be formed on the grounds of the WII policy of a Utashe Run independent state of Croatia which in itself is absurd......Furthermore it does not take into account that during the homeland war the orignal displacement of Krajina Croats from illegal unconstitional dealings between Babic and Milosevic but rather a list of of croatian atrosties that I do not deny but which nevertheless paints completely a one-sided picture. We seem to forget the anomalies in all this as only through searching them do you find the truth, Chetniks and Utashe seem to be somewhat like two sides of the same coin both fighting against the Partisans(Which included my relatives) at times even collaborating at the later parts of the WII. I have seen videos that show factual evidence that Nazi Germany recieved loans from Jewish bankers, Milosevic and Tudman's secret meetings, convenient ceasefires, Foreign Aid and Intelligence, Jews convinced to give negative proganda on Croatia in the 90s, the list goes well beyond these few points....Their are certainly strange forces at work.
That's lies from communist propagand which after WWII claimed to be sole anty nazi partizant movement, calling all others colaborateurs. That's Why Chetniks are compared to Ustash while true colaboratours were comunists who don't even fought against germany till 22 june of 1941; we had the same in my country... Ustasha were Nazi German minions a minor power in Axis, The Chetniks were Home Army loal to Royal Yugoslavain govererment in London an alied power; and comunist partixans were bandits an dregs of society loyal to Stalin's Moscow. What kind of Jew are you Datko to spill the revisionist poison?
-
Well I left my post for a couple of days and have recieved the most outrageous abuse.....nevertheless I respect people's opinions however let me clarify. My similiarities between Utashe and Cetniks which I should ellaborate was limited to there sole Nationalistic aims, I never denied the atrocities nor did I promote anything related to the Ustashe in any way or how that would be totally absurd, I would not exist if they had there way! I will come back to this point but what I did want to dispute is the association people see with Croatia today and in the 90s with the ustase collaborators of the 1940s which is incorrect. I believe someone then wrote about Tudman's idea of a Croatia without serbs, well as independence talks for Srpska Krajna stopped the JNA promptly invaded Croatia which albeit but some firearms that they had achieved from Hungary had nothing to defend themselves with and under the name of "Cetniks" proceeded to displace Croats out of their homes and ethnically cleanse, the atrocities are not to be forgotten as the Ustase Atrocites were horrific the Serbian aggression into Croatia was indiscriminate and destructive. Even after further peace talks and a suppression to create a Srpska Krajna region this was not good enough and serbian forces continued to Pillage/Rape and Murder into Croatia before they were halted and furthermore betrayed by Milosevic who saw this a financially inviable region that needed to be flooded with funding and left it fend for itself leaving it susceptible to attack by Croat forces that later and after original serbian agression and atrocities created there own unacceptable heinous atrocities on serbs in the region albeit to alot smaller degree than that recieved, although I do not wish to diminuish each one for as deitramental it was for those that it affected.
The Partisans are the true coalition that expelled the Nazi forces from the region! The Cetniks turned against the Partisans almost solely and stopped fighting the partisans that looked to stabilise the region and stop people from killing eachother then aftermath of a Communist Yugoslavia under Tito is still extremely popular amongst people in all republics the only unfortunate thing is the suppression of Religion.
Well fundamentally I think people in this forum find it way to easy to generalise people for what has happened in the past, I have nothing against Serbs,Croats.....I think it is unreasonable to say that all Croats that all Croats were Nazis in WWII and that today's Croatia promotes that kind of behaviour there are symphazises but they are a minority of idiots as there are also a minority Serbian Nazis(Check Out on youtube) and Russian Nazis that fought alongside Serbs in Kosovo. If we look at records we will see why us jewish people share such empathy for those Albanians who risked their lives to save jews in WWII, does that mean that every Albanian is noble or that I should side for Albanians on every issue not at all. Furthermore the major parties in Croatia are not those with nationalised agenda's, and although I live abroad now I am told that the Jewish community in Zagreb is very solid and the condemnation is widespread last year when I visited the mayor of Zagreb and the cultural minister attended a condemnation meeting at the cementary which was broadcasted on television. Well I have a few more things I would like to cover and these ones in more detail but I will leave it at that for now, I respect all rational debate and appreciate most people's comments......However Husar your Biggot immature statements including but not exclusively "Dado is a NaziCroat, Heil Dado" just make anything of intelligence you say completely uncredible.
P.S. Good luck to Djokovic tonight!
Can anyone explain these paragraphs that I found on a site:
In August 1942, Dr. Harald Turner (the chief of the German civil administration in Serbia) announced that Serbia was the only country in which the "Jewish question" was solved and that Belgrade was the "first city of a New Europe to be Judenfrei." Turner himself attributed this success to Serbian help.
The first experiments in mass executions of camp inmates by poison gas were carried out in Serbia. Serbia was the first country to proudly declare itself "Judenfrei" ("cleansed" of Jews).
The fight against the Jewish influence had actually started six months before the German invasion when the government of Serbia issued legislation restricting Jewish participation in the economy and university enrolment.
"The Serbian chetniks of Draza Mihailovic were represented as fighters against the occupier, while in fact they were the allies of the Nazi fascists in Yugoslavia....The documents in this collection indicate clearly and unequivocally that the Chetniks collaborated with the occupiers, both in the military and political sphere, as well as in the domain of economic activity, intelligence and propaganda... (source: the Serbian scholars, Dr. Jovan Marjanovic & Mihail Stanisic, The collaboration of Draza Mihailovic's Chetniks with the enemy forces of occupation, 1976.)
-
listen. The reason Cetnici and partisans fought against eachother was because Cetnici wanted hitler out of serbia and communist fought for control over Serbia.
the paragraphs are paradox, the first one says that a Dr declared and then that Serbia "proudly" declared itself.
Serbia wasn't itself. It was occupied by hitler.
I find your post hilarious because the Cetniks were Soldiers from the Royal Army. And were respected and Defended after the war by many American and Allied veterans. The reason communists got their support in the end was because they had British communists spying for them and altering reports comming from Serbia.
Cetniks were and are the only movement in Yugoslavia that was and is anti-fascist and anticommunist.
Cetniks weren't only Serbs. There were bosniaks and croats who realized the truth, There were saved Jews that later joined the Cetniks.
Germany's first loss was in Serbia in 1941. They sent 23 divisions (4 to stalingrad) and lost.
They wanted peace with Mihajlovic but he refused and wanted the germans out of Serbia.
For that reason he got a price over his head of 100.000 reichsmark.
Later he was Times man of the year, He got the medal of valor by the American president.
His face covered several stamps in the US.
If the cetniks were collaborators. That wouldn't have happened. They even had a trail on the matter and found that Mihajlovic was a true and pure antifascist and anticommunist. He didn't collaborate nor did his Cetniks.
During the trail a traitor (i think his name was Djurisic) showed a document where it said "Greater Serbia ethnically clean" but they found out it was a forgery.
-
Well I left my post for a couple of days and have recieved the most outrageous abuse.....nevertheless I respect people's opinions however let me clarify. My similiarities between Utashe and Cetniks which I should ellaborate was limited to there sole Nationalistic aims, I never denied the atrocities nor did I promote anything related to the Ustashe in any way or how that would be totally absurd, I would not exist if they had there way! I will come back to this point but what I did want to dispute is the association people see with Croatia today and in the 90s with the ustase collaborators of the 1940s which is incorrect. I believe someone then wrote about Tudman's idea of a Croatia without serbs, well as independence talks for Srpska Krajna stopped the JNA promptly invaded Croatia which albeit but some firearms that they had achieved from Hungary had nothing to defend themselves with and under the name of "Cetniks" proceeded to displace Croats out of their homes and ethnically cleanse, the atrocities are not to be forgotten as the Ustase Atrocites were horrific the Serbian aggression into Croatia was indiscriminate and destructive. Even after further peace talks and a suppression to create a Srpska Krajna region this was not good enough and serbian forces continued to Pillage/Rape and Murder into Croatia before they were halted and furthermore betrayed by Milosevic who saw this a financially inviable region that needed to be flooded with funding and left it fend for itself leaving it susceptible to attack by Croat forces that later and after original serbian agression and atrocities created there own unacceptable heinous atrocities on serbs in the region albeit to alot smaller degree than that recieved, although I do not wish to diminuish each one for as deitramental it was for those that it affected.
The Partisans are the true coalition that expelled the Nazi forces from the region! The Cetniks turned against the Partisans almost solely and stopped fighting the partisans that looked to stabilise the region and stop people from killing eachother then aftermath of a Communist Yugoslavia under Tito is still extremely popular amongst people in all republics the only unfortunate thing is the suppression of Religion.
Well fundamentally I think people in this forum find it way to easy to generalise people for what has happened in the past, I have nothing against Serbs,Croats.....I think it is unreasonable to say that all Croats that all Croats were Nazis in WWII and that today's Croatia promotes that kind of behaviour there are symphazises but they are a minority of idiots as there are also a minority Serbian Nazis(Check Out on youtube) and Russian Nazis that fought alongside Serbs in Kosovo. If we look at records we will see why us jewish people share such empathy for those Albanians who risked their lives to save jews in WWII, does that mean that every Albanian is noble or that I should side for Albanians on every issue not at all. Furthermore the major parties in Croatia are not those with nationalised agenda's, and although I live abroad now I am told that the Jewish community in Zagreb is very solid and the condemnation is widespread last year when I visited the mayor of Zagreb and the cultural minister attended a condemnation meeting at the cementary which was broadcasted on television. Well I have a few more things I would like to cover and these ones in more detail but I will leave it at that for now, I respect all rational debate and appreciate most people's comments......However Husar your Biggot immature statements including but not exclusively "Dado is a NaziCroat, Heil Dado" just make anything of intelligence you say completely uncredible.
P.S. Good luck to Djokovic tonight!
Can anyone explain these paragraphs that I found on a site:
In August 1942, Dr. Harald Turner (the chief of the German civil administration in Serbia)
NOT A SERBIAN...........................A GERMAN !!!!!!
GERMANS MURDERED THOUSANDS OF SERBS
sometimes in ONE DAY, all over Serbian Lands !!!!
announced that Serbia was the only country in which the "Jewish question" was solved and that Belgrade was the "first city of a New Europe to be Judenfrei." Turner himself attributed this success to Serbian help.
Was Serbia to help the germans,
it would have been MUCH BIGGER
than it was during german OCCUPATION !!!
The first experiments in mass executions of camp inmates by poison gas were carried out in Serbia. Serbia was the first country to proudly declare itself "Judenfrei" ("cleansed" of Jews).
SERBIA WAS OCCUPIED BY THE GERMANS
WHO DID ANY ATROCITY THEY COULD !!!!!!!!!
The fight against the Jewish influence had actually started six months before the German invasion when the government of Serbia issued legislation restricting Jewish participation in the economy and university enrolment.
According to this, Serbia should have sent
SS TROOPS in Stalingrad, Serbia didn't !!!
"The Serbian chetniks of Draza Mihailovic were represented as fighters against the occupier, while in fact they were the allies of the Nazi fascists in Yugoslavia....The documents in this collection indicate clearly and unequivocally that the Chetniks collaborated with the occupiers, both in the military and political sphere, as well as in the domain of economic activity, intelligence and propaganda... (source: the Serbian scholars, Dr. Jovan Marjanovic & Mihail Stanisic, The collaboration of Draza Mihailovic's Chetniks with the enemy forces of occupation, 1976.)
A communist "source" for
anything about Cetniks
is a little biased.
We already answered all
the vicious questions of your fellow NAZICROATS,
here's one example:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=11311.0
-
Serbian Cetnik (šumadinac) gave a nice explanation I agree.
-
Thank you.