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The Worldwide Crisis of Islam => The Truth About Islam => Topic started by: mord on May 16, 2007, 10:45:29 AM
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3400933,00.html
Saudi Arabia diplayes bodies of Ethiopians beheaded for armed robbery
Published: 05.16.07, 16:30 / Israel News
Saudi authorities on Wednesday beheaded two Ethiopians convicted of killing a Saudi national in an armed robbery and displayed their bodies in public after the execution, the Interior Ministry said in a statement.
The statement, carried by the official Saudi Press Agency, said Ali Mohammed Ali and Adel Adam Aman were found guilty of fatally shooting and robbing Khaled bin Karim bin Bakhash. A court ordered their bodies be displayed in a public place after the execution as a further deterrent ''because of the hideousness nature of the crime.'' (AP)
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Didn't Saudia Arabia celebrate after 9/11? Why does Saudia Arabia pretend to not support terrorism? Why does one family have control over Saudia Arabia?
Over the years, why has Iraq been viewed as any worse than Saudia Arabia?
The US defended Saudia Arabia from losing its oil supply to Iraq. But would it have been any worse for Iraq to have had that oil than Saudia Arabia?
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I agree
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I agree
How far back has the US government been doing whatever the Saudis want it to do?
What I don't understand is, a few weeks ago the Saudis almost had a terrorist attack on their oil. So if they support terrorism, why would terrorists try to attack their oil?
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Along time i think before roosevelt
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How far back has the US government been doing whatever the Saudis want it to do?
What I don't understand is, a few weeks ago the Saudis almost had a terrorist attack on their oil. So if they support terrorism, why would terrorists try to attack their oil?
The watershed came in the early 1970s, when the Arabs demonstrated with an oil embargo that they could cripple the American economy.
Like all Muslim nations, the Saudis are bitterly divided between the cunning Muslims (the royal family and its supporters) who want to slowly take over the West - by pretending to be peaceful while buying up our industry and media, and by building mosques everywhere, and by supporting terrorism secretly - and the eager Muslims (the oil field terrorists) who want to launch global jihad immediately, with the resources already available to them and with open terrorism.
RationalThought, I recommend that you spend some time reading the articles in the JTF.ORG archives. :o They'll answer many of the questions which you've been asking on the forum.
Some of your questions are difficult to answer fully. You should get some background first, if you don't already have it.
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How far back has the US government been doing whatever the Saudis want it to do?
What I don't understand is, a few weeks ago the Saudis almost had a terrorist attack on their oil. So if they support terrorism, why would terrorists try to attack their oil?
The watershed came in the early 1970s, when the Arabs demonstrated with an oil embargo that they could cripple the American economy.
Like all Muslim nations, the Saudis are bitterly divided between the cunning Muslims (the royal family and its supporters) who want to slowly take over the West - by pretending to be peaceful while buying up our industry and media, and by building mosques everywhere, and by supporting terrorism secretly - and the eager Muslims (the oil field terrorists) who want to launch global jihad immediately, with the resources already available to them and with open terrorism.
RationalThought, I recommend that you spend some time reading the articles in the JTF.ORG archives. :o They'll answer many of the questions which you've been asking on the forum.
Some of your questions are difficult to answer fully. You should get some background first, if you don't already have it.
I've read some of them. Have there been any new articles in the past couple months?
So the cunning Muslims and the eager ones fight each other for the Saudi oil?
During the Iraq-Iran war, the US sent Rumsfeld to talk to Saddam. So then the government got angry at him because he wanted some of the Saudi oil?
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Saudi Arabia, Mexico, and China: The real axis of evil, and the three nations to whom Jorge Wahhabi Bush is eternally beholden.
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Saudi Arabia, Mexico, and China: The real axis of evil, and the three nations to whom Jorge Wahhabi Bush is eternally beholden.
I agree with this list. What about Iran and North Korea though?
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The Saudis are savages period. These ethiopians must have been Moslems. At least most Ethiopians are Christians.
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Add Russia to that list of "evil" axis as they are and have been since 1917. Rationalthought there is a book by John Loftus called "The Secret War Agaisnt the Jews" which has a very good capter on Saudi Arabia and its history that will answer many of your questions from agreements with the Americans and British to install Ibn Saud as the head of the nation in conjunction with the homo spy Jack Philby who aided his rise off of oil money as well displays the history of the dictatorships of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc. Enjoy brother...
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I was about to say we shouldn't feel sorry for the Ethiopians. They are killers too. But Chaim has said you can't murder a Muslim, only kill. So it wasn't murder what they did although it is typical of schvartzas to do what they did just like they do to whites here. But if they were Muslims, it's Muslims killing each other and just as good that the Saudi courts killed other Muslims.
Agreed.. 100% Agreed. "If one comes to murder you, kill him first." - both logical and moral... ;)
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I would not at all be surprised if the executed were targeted because they are black Africans, who Arabs view as subhuman.
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I've read some of them. Have there been any new articles in the past couple months?
So the cunning Muslims and the eager ones fight each other for the Saudi oil?
During the Iraq-Iran war, the US sent Rumsfeld to talk to Saddam. So then the government got angry at him because he wanted some of the Saudi oil?
There have been no new articles. Chaim mentioned on an "Ask JTF" show that he has gone over exclusively to audio and video. With Chaim doing ten videos and more per week, he hasn't got time to write. And YouTube represents a huge opportunity for a charismatic speaker like Chaim to get his message across.
The eager Muslims, like Osama Bin Laden, want to take over the Saudi regime. Whoever controls not only the Saudi petroleum but also Mecca and Medina will have tremendous influence in the Muslim world.
About Iraq, yes, you're right. Saddam Hussein was counterbalance to the Iranians and it was a huge mistake to get rid of him. Once he was kicked out of Kuwait and bombed into submission, he represented no paramount threat to us. But the Iranians still feared him, and so did the Shiites in his own country - who now have a good chance of taking it over on behalf of the Iranians.
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Add Russia to that list of "evil" axis as they are and have been since 1917. Rationalthought there is a book by John Loftus called "The Secret War Agaisnt the Jews" which has a very good capter on Saudi Arabia and its history that will answer many of your questions from agreements with the Americans and British to install Ibn Saud as the head of the nation in conjunction with the homo spy Jack Philby who aided his rise off of oil money as well displays the history of the dictatorships of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc. Enjoy brother...
A new book was written that attributes the "Six-day War" to Russia.
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Oh, I agree. I've done much research on that actually. I feel that every conflict on Earth since 1939 Russia-Germany, Hitler-Stalin Pact was signed bringing the Second World War. Russia was behind Korea, Vietnam, Six Day, Yom Kippor Wars, Yugoslavia (with Germany and Clinton) and many, if not all, of the Marxist revolutions in Africa, Arabia, Asia, South America with Cuba and China to add to this list. If you get a chance you might read some Antony Sutton or even "The Black Book of Communism" by S. Cortois. One thing that is actually revolting is that one can add many British, European and Western/American elitists like Ford, Carnige, Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan in the list of Globalists/NWO that has financed, exploited and proliferated this "utopian" ideology for their own vile purposes. If you wish some Leftist books: "The Anglo-Amercian Establishment" and "Tragedy and Hope" by Carrol Quigley or "Fire in the Minds of Men" - Billington.
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Oh, I agree. I've done much research on that actually. I feel that every conflict on Earth since 1939 Russia-Germany, Hitler-Stalin Pact was signed bringing the Second World War. Russia was behind Korea, Vietnam, Six Day, Yom Kippor Wars, Yugoslavia (with Germany and Clinton) and many, if not all, of the Marxist revolutions in Africa, Arabia, Asia, South America with Cuba and China to add to this list. If you get a chance you might read some Antony Sutton or even "The Black Book of Communism" by S. Cortois. One thing that is actually revolting is that one can add many British, European and Western/American elitists like Ford, Carnige, Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan in the list of Globalists/NWO that has financed, exploited and proliferated this "utopian" ideology for their own vile purposes. If you wish some Leftist books: "The Anglo-Amercian Establishment" and "Tragedy and Hope" by Carrol Quigley or "Fire in the Minds of Men" - Billington.
I tend to think/analyze as I read so I prefer reading articles more than long books. Sounds like a good suggestion though.
If CFR controls the government and if they loved the USSR and communism, then why did CFR allow Truman to enter the US into a "Cold War" with Russia? Since you know so much about this stuff, maybe you know the answer.
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The best way to look at this today is to ask yourself if there are more Communist/Socialist/Dictatorship states today when compared to before "The Cold War"? The answer is very clear that there are more now when we are supposed to have "defeated Communism" and "Won the Cold War".....
All a sham my friend which is why people like Douglas MacArthur were removed, Joseph McCarthy was destroyed and Barry Goldwater was rail roaded. Actually, go to Google video and search for "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy"... You will find a very interesting interview with Dr. Antony Sutton by Dr. Stanley Monteith. Enjoy...
PS: It is not really a "Right vs. Left" or "Conservative vs. Liberal" or "Democrat vs Republican" but an US vs. THEM issue. You will see that as per the ideology of Communism itself the grand scheme is to produce a "utopan" society ruled by a Dictatorship of the Prolitariate....but the Protlitariate and Dictariate never seem to leave to have their "everyone is equal" society of "Utopian" Hellenists... This is a very similar principal that the Islamists demand as well. A Dictatorship under Sharia Law in World Islamic Domination. Now, when you listen to Antony Sutton you will hear of different truly Elitist societies that are made of these "utopian"/Marxist types but super capitalists like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans etc. which are using both to bring about their New World Socialist Order/One World Government only controlled by the Elitists that are funding, organizing and furthering this agenda: CFR-Trilateral, Bilderberg, Rhodes Round Table and many others that are all affiliated with the CFR/Fabian-Russia-China-Arab/Muslim Oil Kings etc...
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The best way to look at this today is to ask yourself if there are more Communist/Socialist/Dictatorship states today when compared to before "The Cold War"? The answer is very clear that there are more now when we are supposed to have "defeated Communism" and "Won the Cold War".....
All a sham my friend which is why people like Douglas MacArthur were removed, Joseph McCarthy was destroyed and Barry Goldwater was rail roaded. Actually, go to Google video and search for "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy"... You will find a very interesting interview with Dr. Antony Sutton by Dr. Stanley Monteith. Enjoy...
PS: It is not really a "Right vs. Left" or "Conservative vs. Liberal" or "Democrat vs Republican" but an US vs. THEM issue. You will see that as per the ideology of Communism itself the grand scheme is to produce a "utopan" society ruled by a Dictatorship of the Prolitariate....but the Protlitariate and Dictariate never seem to leave to have their "everyone is equal" society of "Utopian" Hellenists... This is a very similar principal that the Islamists demand as well. A Dictatorship under Sharia Law in World Islamic Domination. Now, when you listen to Antony Sutton you will hear of different truly Elitist societies that are made of these "utopian"/Marxist types but super capitalists like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans etc. which are using both to bring about their New World Socialist Order/One World Government only controlled by the Elitists that are funding, organizing and furthering this agenda: CFR-Trilateral, Bilderberg, Rhodes Round Table and many others that are all affiliated with the CFR/Fabian-Russia-China-Arab/Muslim Oil Kings etc...
Did both Truman (who started it) and Reagan (who ended it) know it was a sham?
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I've read some of them. Have there been any new articles in the past couple months?
So the cunning Muslims and the eager ones fight each other for the Saudi oil?
During the Iraq-Iran war, the US sent Rumsfeld to talk to Saddam. So then the government got angry at him because he wanted some of the Saudi oil?
There have been no new articles. Chaim mentioned on an "Ask JTF" show that he has gone over exclusively to audio and video. With Chaim doing ten videos and more per week, he hasn't got time to write. And YouTube represents a huge opportunity for a charismatic speaker like Chaim to get his message across.
The eager Muslims, like Osama Bin Laden, want to take over the Saudi regime. Whoever controls not only the Saudi petroleum but also Mecca and Medina will have tremendous influence in the Muslim world.
About Iraq, yes, you're right. Saddam Hussein was counterbalance to the Iranians and it was a huge mistake to get rid of him. Once he was kicked out of Kuwait and bombed into submission, he represented no paramount threat to us. But the Iranians still feared him, and so did the Shiites in his own country - who now have a good chance of taking it over on behalf of the Iranians.
This confirms what I've thought for a while.
The one regime Iran feared has now been taken out of power. This has been a pathetic blunder. What was the "Project for the New American Century" obsessed with Iraq?
Once Clinton passed the "Iraq Liberation Act", I think the Iraq War was probably inevitable. John McCain and Joe Lieberman were two of the biggest supporters of invading. So if McCain was president or if Lieberman was VP under Gore, I think there's a good chance the war still would have occurred. Gore supported Clinton's "wagging the dog." I think Gore opposed the war only because he wanted to disagree with Bush. Clinton agreed with the war and Gore probably agreed with him on just about everything.
A theory for why Gore opposed the Iraq War and supported Howard Dean in 04 rather than Joe Lieberman:
http://www.theamericancause.org/patnixonianstrategy.htm
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Were they members of the CFR, Trilateral or associated with the Bilderberg? I suspect they knew all about it and it was a sham. If you have a local library, for example, sign out the memoirs of Barry Goldwater "With No Apologies"......there you will find your answer from a person who was amongst the highest levels of American politics..... I'd argue that the Russians actually started it with the help of American Elitist establishment who funded it via Lend Lease programs....
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Were they members of the CFR, Trilateral or associated with the Bilderberg? I suspect they knew all about it and it was a sham. If you have a local library, for example, sign out the memoirs of Barry Goldwater "With No Apologies"......there you will find your answer from a person who was amongst the highest levels of American politics..... I'd argue that the Russians actually started it with the help of American Elitist establishment who funded it via Lend Lease programs....
"Were they members of the CFR, Trilateral or associated with the Bilderberg?"
Who? Yes, Gore is a member.
There's a site that lists all the members, updated as of 1996, I think.
I think every Secretary of State, Defense Secretary and CIA agent during at least the page 50 years has been a member. Maybe there's a rule that to be confirmed as a Secretary of State, Defense Secretary or Director of the CIA, it's a requirement to become a member of CFR.
Although Congress authorized the war in Iraq, wasn't it CFR that mandated them to do so?
Something I don't understand:
John Bolton, Jimmy Carter and Soros are all members of CFR. Yet, Bolton seems so much different in regards to policy, than the other two. Does CFR require its members to all have a consensus on the same policies?
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http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/cfr.html
"In 1944 and in 1948, the Republican candidate for President, Thomas Dewey, was a CFR member. In later years, Republicans Eisenhower and Nixon were members of the CFR, as were Democrats Stevenson, Kennedy, Humphrey, and McGovern. (Note: We believe Kennedy became disloyal to the CFR prior to his assassination.") The American people think that they have a choice when they vote for a President, but the truth of the matter is , with few exceptions: Presidential candidates for decades have been CFR members. "
"Barry Goldwater states in his book, "With No Apologies", on page 231:
"Does it not seem strange to you that these men just happened to be CFR and just happened to be on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, that absolutely controls the money and interest rates of this great country without benefit of Congress? A privately owned organization, the Federal Reserve, which has absolutely nothing to do with the United States of America!"
"During the 1976 political campaign, Carter repeatedly told the nation that he was going to get rid of the Establishment Insiders if he became president. But when he took office, he promptly filled his Administration with members of the Council on Foreign Relations (284 to be exact) and The Trilateral Commission, the two most prominent insider organizations in America. Included in this list of members of The Trilateral Commission were Walter Mondale and Dr. Henry Kissinger.
Beginning with Jimmy Carter, all the recent presidents, including president Clinton, have promptly filled their administrations with members of the Council on Foreign relations and The Trilateral Commission."
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"n reality, CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members, beginning with CFR founding member Allen Dulles. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Almost all White House cabinet positions are occupied by CFR members. President Clinton, himself a member of the CFR, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group, employs almost one hundred CFR members in his administration. Presidents come and go, but the CFR's power--and agenda--always remains. "
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/cfr-members.htm
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Very good RT. I have that book sitting on my...oops my friend Donnie has borrowed it. Daniel Pipes is too a member of the CFR. One has to be invited to be a member. Of course not all members are of this "elitist" order and very few actually get chosen to be accepted into the inner circle. Yes they are all connected some place. If you look at the CFR - Trilateral Membership roster you will see that a few of them (which are subsequently the top members) are also members of the Bilderberg Group. This group has members that are from the British Round Table Group founded by Cecil Rhodes and/or the British Fabian Society. In Europe this group has members that are found in the White/Black Nobility and the Council of Rome. In America CFR, Skull and Bones Society. You will too find out that Jimmy Carter and even Bill Clinton were chosen....by the Bilderberg Group...("A Choice not an Echo" by Phyllis Schofly for one example..)
There are many "useful idiots" as well, mainly of the Left that support their front groups via activist lobby groups for ACLU, NAACP, Rand, Tavistock and many others. Some are just planted establishment frauds like Ghorge Bush and Daniel Pipes....in my honest opinion. It is a very big elitist fraud my friend...
You stated the numerous high members of the American government being members of the CFR, high members or chosed pawns for them. Logically, if 73% of the Israeli Knesset were members of various Kahanist groups the outcome of the Knesset, be it foreign or internal policy, will reflect the basic views of Rabbi Kahane. This is the same for the CFR (Bilderberg)-Trilateral. If you read many of the essays published by this treasonous entity (think tank) you can predict America's foreign policy, stock market, internal policies long before it happens...in many cases.
Good post... Might I add into the mix the founders of the Leage of Nations and the UN were also Elitists and Communists like Rockefeller, Ford, Colonel House, Alger Hiss and Amerasia's Owen Lattimore..... places things into a bit clearer perspective no....?
PS: I you have a library near you, you might consider a very worthy read by an Englishman named John Robinson. His book was printed in 1798 called "Proofs of a Conspiracy". This little gem, although hard reading, lays the agenda of this NWO elitist/Socialist/Communistic type subversive power movement.
Even in the mid 1700's when printing presses were starting to pump out many books and reading clubs opened up. These elitists "thinkers" (Adam Weishaupt for example) with his cohorts started buying them up, entering into and controlling the reading clubs and universities by using their insiders to promote/hire their like minded brethren. In the end they ended up controlling much of the media, universities, reading societies (for which they could influence, manipulate and enter politics).....sounds very much like the oligarchs that run things today no? Enjoy brother.... it is a vile topic but hey, they invented and promulgated: Communism: Evolution: Reform "Judaism" with their molested Christian/Socialst sects, Global Warming: Islam is a religion of peace: Bolistians: The W-st Bank: Feminism: Population Control: Central/Federal/nothing based Credit banking: J.M. Keynesian Economics....
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Very good RT. I have that book sitting on my...oops my friend Donnie has borrowed it. Daniel Pipes is too a member of the CFR. One has to be invited to be a member. Of course not all members are of this "elitist" order and very few actually get chosen to be accepted into the inner circle. Yes they are all connected some place. If you look at the CFR - Trilateral Membership roster you will see that a few of them (which are subsequently the top members) are also members of the Bilderberg Group. This group has members that are from the British Round Table Group founded by Cecil Rhodes and/or the British Fabian Society. In Europe this group has members that are found in the White/Black Nobility and the Council of Rome. In America CFR, Skull and Bones Society. You will too find out that Jimmy Carter and even Bill Clinton were chosen....by the Bilderberg Group...("A Choice not an Echo" by Phyllis Schofly for one example..)
There are many "useful idiots" as well, mainly of the Left that support their front groups via activist lobby groups for ACLU, NAACP, Rand, Tavistock and many others. Some are just planted establishment frauds like Ghorge Bush and Daniel Pipes....in my honest opinion. It is a very big elitist fraud my friend...
You stated the numerous high members of the American government being members of the CFR, high members or chosed pawns for them. Logically, if 73% of the Israeli Knesset were members of various Kahanist groups the outcome of the Knesset, be it foreign or internal policy, will reflect the basic views of Rabbi Kahane. This is the same for the CFR (Bilderberg)-Trilateral. If you read many of the essays published by this treasonous entity (think tank) you can predict America's foreign policy, stock market, internal policies long before it happens...in many cases.
Good post... Might I add into the mix the founders of the Leage of Nations and the UN were also Elitists and Communists like Rockefeller, Ford, Colonel House, Alger Hiss and Amerasia's Owen Lattimore..... places things into a bit clearer perspective no....?
PS: I you have a library near you, you might consider a very worthy read by an Englishman named John Robinson. His book was printed in 1798 called "Proofs of a Conspiracy". This little gem, although hard reading, lays the agenda of this NWO elitist/Socialist/Communistic type subversive power movement.
Even in the mid 1700's when printing presses were starting to pump out many books and reading clubs opened up. These elitists "thinkers" (Adam Weishaupt for example) with his cohorts started buying them up, entering into and controlling the reading clubs and universities by using their insiders to promote/hire their like minded brethren. In the end they ended up controlling much of the media, universities, reading societies (for which they could influence, manipulate and enter politics).....sounds very much like the oligarchs that run things today no? Enjoy brother.... it is a vile topic but hey, they invented and promulgated: Communism: Evolution: Reform "Judaism" with their molested Christian/Socialst sects, Global Warming: Islam is a religion of peace: Bolistians: The W-st Bank: Feminism: Population Control: Central/Federal/nothing based Credit banking: J.M. Keynesian Economics....
I'll respond more letter.
In a CFR publications, they try to give the impression of indecisiveness and not have a consensus of what needs to be done next.
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Absolutely. I remember reading a very long time ago about the North American Union....for which this entire Mexican Border farce is a part of. ;)
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Absolutely. I remember reading a very long time ago about the North American Union....for which this entire Mexican Border farce is a part of. ;)
Mexican Border farce as in not having a border fence?
Bill Richardson has said he's against a fence and claims all fences are bad. He probably also thinks Israel's fence is bad. Richardson was speaking Spanish yesterday to try to appeal to Spanish speakers.
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Absolutely. I remember reading a very long time ago about the North American Union....for which this entire Mexican Border farce is a part of. ;)
But why do their publications give the impression of indecisiveness and not having a consensus? So that people won't suspect them of having any influence?
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some of their publications about the North American union are very pro-the idea, mainly for economic reasons while not entertaining the border directly. If the Mexican border is gone and millions of illegals are granted citizenship, that will be the end of Conservatism in America, the end of Nationalism of any sort and most certainly the end of the already defiled "Repblican" Party. This border farce is just a step towards the union of Mexico, America and Canada...
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The establishment candidates favor an ID card system for "guest workers." But then it can't be assumed that the next group of people to enter illegally are in the country illegally. Thus, everyone would be forced to be part of an ID system.
Romney favors this system.
Romney tricked an Arizona sheriff who is very tough on border enforcement.
"Governor Romney has announced Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio as his Honorary Arizona Chairman earlier this year. "
The sheriff should be endorsing someone like Hunter, which would help promote his candidacy.
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I agree. No amnesty...DEPORTATION... I think, in all honesty, the only way to save America now is via coup with these corrupt insider politicians, elitists, academics etc. taken out and shot! This is my opinion as they have been working constantly since Woodrow Wilson/House to undermine the Constitution and "progress" American into a welfare state like Canada, join all three and make "trading blocks" to be organized and run by a central entity. Similar to the UN/EU...
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I agree. No amnesty...DEPORTATION... I think, in all honesty, the only way to save America now is via coup with these corrupt insider politicians, elitists, academics etc. taken out and shot! This is my opinion as they have been working constantly since Woodrow Wilson/House to undermine the Constitution and "progress" American into a welfare state like Canada, join all three and make "trading blocks" to be organized and run by a central entity. Similar to the UN/EU...
What would the secret organizations do if an establishment president were to not take orders from them? Why have the presidents since Wilson all listen to those crooks? Did Ronald Reagan do everything they wanted him to do?
I would have though that the secret organizations were disappointed that Carter lost to Reagan. Did they force Reagan to appoint Bush Sr. as his VP? Carter wouldn't have wanted the USSR to get dismantled.
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What would the secret organizations do if an establishment president were to not take orders from them? Why have the presidents since Wilson all listen to those crooks? Did Ronald Reagan do everything they wanted him to do?
I would have though that the secret organizations were disappointed that Carter lost to Reagan. Did they force Reagan to appoint Bush Sr. as his VP? Carter wouldn't have wanted the USSR to get dismantled.
To answer your first question. Probably would not become President in the first place or the Establishment would have a third person run for whichever candidate that they didn't want in to split the vote so their candidate will get in. Carter was chosen by the Bilderberg and so was Clinton. The Establishment ruined McCarthy, MacArther and Goldwater. Some say Nixon and too Kennedy were taken down for not following orders which I'd not be surprized if it were true. David Rockefeller admits to this scheme in his own memoirs.
As you know the CFR-Trilaterals compose of most of the top positions in the Federal government, World Bank, Federal Reserve, Media, Industry, Banking etc. These people have worked VERY hard since the early 1800's to gain as much power and control over government, meida and industry. They choose who will be President. 5 of the last Presidents and/or Presidental candidates were Skull and Bonesmen. They must listen to these crooks. In all reality, they are only pawns working, for vasts amounts of dollars, for these crooks. Even Tony Blair will now go to head the World Bank. Tell me is that a fraud? I picked Brown for PM in Britian over a year ago.
You picked out a very good example: Jimmy Carter. Did you notice that Carter was such a screw up, bankrupted America, expanded the federal government, Debt and everything unconstitutional and anti-American. Of course, because of this, his popularity plummetted like a stone so they needed a "real" "conservative". So they chose Regan. They actually had a problem with Regan. He wasn't going to run as head of the Republican party because he was an outsider and was not able to be manipulated. I believe Regan actually met with Ted Kennedy and David Rockefeller before he ran. (you know after Carter won he kept all of the CFR insiders on his staff and hired more)
Regan accepted the offer, if he hadn't he'd have been destroyed like Barry Goldwater had done in '64, and continued on the same relative path as Carter albeit at a slower rate. If you look at Regans Presidency he was not at all conservative but a globalist, expanded the federal government and the national debt. Of course he propagated "Tear Down These Walls" but according to Anatoly Golitsyn that was all planned. Socialism actually expanded World Wide after 1988. George Bush Sr. is one of the shadiest characters in American history. He is on par with Henry Kissenger. He was head of the CIA and was directly involved since WW2. He, like his father, are insiders with ties to the Eastern Liberal Establishment.
You are right Carter wouldnt' have wanted USSR to get dismantled, because it wasn't. It just changed. If you study Communism (The Black Book of Communism- S. Cortois) you will see that it doesn't end only changes until it attains its goal: "Ends justify the means". Stalinism (murderous dictatorship) did, largely "end" or temporarly suspended while Leninism or Fabianism expanded ten fould. Ask yourself this question. Are their more Communist and Socialist States ("Socialism leads to Communism" - Lenin or "I see no difference between Socialism and Communism" - Marx) in the World now, after 1988 or before 1988? I'd argue the far more: Asia, Middle East, Africa, EU, South America, Canada, Mexico and now America is being undermined. How can Communism have been defeated if China, Cuba, North Korea, a reverting back to Stalinism Russia....and the aforementioned dictatorships... are still with us and getting worse daily?
You ask very good questions. Keep up the reading. It is a troubling topic. There ARE conspiracies out there, logical and illogical. The further one delves into this stuff one finds themselves finding much illogical and purely factless "Conspiracy Theories".....like that British animal who believes in Shape Shifters... Too, it gets into the anti-semitic arena as well because most Gentiles ONLY see Rothschild, Warberg, Oppenheimer etc. but never Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, Rhodes, Vanderbilt, Gates, Morgan, Winsor...
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The Carter (Commie) Regan (Conservative) joke was repeated with Clinton (debauched commie/globalist) was followed by screwing up so greatly by nation needing/demanding a right wing, hard liner Ghorge Bush "Conservative" which turns out to be an insider Globalist fraud that is, without question, the worst president in US history. frankly I'm shocked that he and many of these other frauds haven't been bumped off by loyal, righeous and caring Americans..
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The Carter (Commie) Regan (Conservative) joke was repeated with Clinton (debauched commie/globalist) was followed by screwing up so greatly by nation needing/demanding a right wing, hard liner Ghorge Bush "Conservative" which turns out to be an insider Globalist fraud that is, without question, the worst president in US history. frankly I'm shocked that he and many of these other frauds haven't been bumped off by loyal, righeous and caring Americans..
What do you mean by bumped off? The US doesn't have a coalition system where if the coalition splits, new elections could occur.
These presidents are all concerned with their "legacy." So why do they implement awful policies if they don't want to have an awful legacy?
So if Reagan didn't take orders from CFR, they would have found a way to get him impeached?
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Bumped off...wacked...clipped... etc. Presidents don't really care about their legacy as it is now invented by their supporting, Establishment owned media: Bill Clinton for example. Regan met with the Industrialists, Bankers etc. before he was elected to run for the Presidency/lead the Republican Party. He was very popular with the people (same as Ghorge Bush and Barry Goldwater for his Conservative position) the difference being Goldwater stood up agaisnt them as an outsider (in his memoirs) while Bush was an Insider and Regan joined the club and won. Regan didn't take any orders when he was a simple party member and politician....but of course joined the "party" when he was petitioning why he wasn't able to run for the Presidency with so much public support...... It is one big sham... big sham. You wait, if a Republican gets in.... your borders will be opened even if he/she runs on a platform of closing the borders and deporting ALL illegal aliens and wins the Presidency. At the rate this border fence is going...it will take over 700 years to complete... they don't want to build the fence. It is all on big sham...