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The Worldwide Crisis of Islam => The Truth About Islam => Topic started by: christians4jews on November 13, 2007, 05:33:11 AM
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Im from nottingham england where there are loads of the scum. I know a few and i have debates with them. Without sounding arrogant my knowledge on islam is pretty incredible and better than 99 percent of clerics, So as you can see i completely ruin them in debates. Their faith has got weaker and they have stopped going to the mosque etc.
So the question is, i agree i should not make jews leave their faith, that is wrong, but if i can make muslims leave islam, then surely thats one less potential terrorist, as all muslims should be terrorists.
Now im not trying to convert them to a religion of my own, im simply trying to make them lose faith in their own death cult. Is this allowed in the jtf?????
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Converting muSSlims away from their nazi ideology is a righteous act.
Trying to convert Jews is punnishable by death.
Do the former.
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In my oppinion, I can't speak for JTF, is this a duty for every Christian. O0
But please don't try to proselytize the Jews or other Christian confessions.
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Yes convert them
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In my oppinion, I can't speak for JTF, is this a duty for every Christian. O0
But please don't try to proselytize the Jews or other Christian confessions.
I havnt, if you read my post you will see i said it was WRONG to proselytize jews. What i was asking was whether i could make muzzies leave their death cult...
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In my oppinion, I can't speak for JTF, is this a duty for every Christian. O0
But please don't try to proselytize the Jews or other Christian confessions.
I havnt, if you read my post you will see i said it was WRONG to proselytize jews. What i was asking was whether i could make muzzies leave their death cult...
Yes you are right. I apologize :-[
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1- Trying to convert a Jew to another religion is forbidden.
2- Trying to convert a Goy to Judaism is also forbidden.
3- It's allowed to point out mistakes in Goyshe religions. So you can debate with Muslims and tell them what you find wrong in their books. But you must be carefull not to lead them towards atheism. If you feel a Muslim can become a Noahide, or believe in Hashem outside Islam, that's ok. But if the Muslim might become a secular, better keep silent.
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In reading and interacting on forums for ex muslims, Ive noticed for some reason alot of them seem to become athiests when they leave islam.
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In reading and interacting on forums for ex muslims, Ive noticed for some reason alot of them seem to become athiests when they leave islam.
Thats a very bad thing though.
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Im from nottingham england where there are loads of the scum. I know a few and i have debates with them. Without sounding arrogant my knowledge on islam is pretty incredible and better than 99 percent of clerics, So as you can see i completely ruin them in debates. Their faith has got weaker and they have stopped going to the mosque etc.
So the question is, i agree i should not make jews leave their faith, that is wrong, but if i can make muslims leave islam, then surely thats one less potential terrorist, as all muslims should be terrorists.
Now im not trying to convert them to a religion of my own, im simply trying to make them lose faith in their own death cult. Is this allowed in the jtf?????
How did you gain such knowledge on Islam?
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1- Trying to convert a Jew to another religion is forbidden.
2- Trying to convert a Goy to Judaism is also forbidden.
3- It's allowed to point out mistakes in Goyshe religions. So you can debate with Muslims and tell them what you find wrong in their books. But you must be carefull not to lead them towards atheism. If you feel a Muslim can become a Noahide, or believe in Hashem outside Islam, that's ok. But if the Muslim might become a secular, better keep silent.
I agree with Raul...
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Christians4Jews, please be very careful about converting Muslims away from Islam.
In the U.S., about two years ago, this Coptic Christian family in New Jersey was slaughtered by Muslims in Jersey City, New Jersey. The police did not label it as a hate crime. But apparently, the man (who might have been a former Muslim) was interacting with Muslims on forums, and probably other places. And there was no sign of anyone forcibly breaking into the house. So the man probably just let the Muslims, with whom he was acquainted, into his house.
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In reading and interacting on forums for ex muslims, Ive noticed for some reason alot of them seem to become athiests when they leave islam.
Thats a very bad thing though.
Its not a good thing, its a fact though, and Im not sure why it happens really.
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If you can succeed in getting muzzies to leave islam, that is the best thing you can do. They in turn will help spread the word on the true face of islam.
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Just becareful with the Muzzies. They are sick serpents with venom
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OP, PLEASE be careful around those people.
Some of them would think nothing of killing you for speaking against Islam.
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Converting muSSlims away from their nazi ideology is a righteous act.
Trying to convert Jews is punnishable by death.
Do the former.
Yes, according to Shulchan Aruch, anyone who converts or tries to convert a Jew is sentenced to death. And the Jew who accepts to be converted is also Chaiav Mita. That's why I disagree with JTF making alliances with American Fundamentalist Christians. They may not proselityze, but in case a Jew wants to be baptized.... do you think they'll say NO? JTF supports them for struggling against sexual immorality. However a sexual immoral person can still do Teshuvah. Someone who leads a Jew ashtray cannot. So, why supporting a sin with no possible Teshuvah, just to combat another sin? What is worse? A goy willing to commit immorality, or a goy ready to baptize a Jew?
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Converting muSSlims away from their nazi ideology is a righteous act.
Trying to convert Jews is punnishable by death.
Do the former.
Yes, according to Shulchan Aruch, anyone who converts or tries to convert a Jew is sentenced to death. And the Jew who accepts to be converted is also Chaiav Mita. That's why I disagree with JTF making alliances with American Fundamentalist Christians. They may not proselityze, but in case a Jew wants to be baptized.... do you think they'll say NO? JTF supports them for struggling against sexual immorality. However a sexual immoral person can still do Teshuvah. Someone who leads a Jew ashtray cannot. So, why supporting a sin with no possible Teshuvah, just to combat another sin? What is worse? A goy willing to commit immorality, or a goy ready to baptize a Jew?
Good points.
However, JTF needs to have christian allies to save America and the west.
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I think that convincing Muslims to renounce Islam is very positive even in the case that Islam is replaced with another evil belief. Islam is a very organized movement set to destroy all non Muslims, anything that replaces it would likely be much more benign.
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In reading and interacting on forums for ex muslims, Ive noticed for some reason alot of them seem to become athiests when they leave islam.
a lot of ex-mulims i spoke are atheists
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I think that convincing Muslims to renounce Islam is very positive even in the case that Islam is replaced with another evil belief. Islam is a very organized movement set to destroy all non Muslims, anything that replaces it would likely be much more benign.
take care to convince muslims. they do nothing but talking about peace once you talk about religion.
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1- Trying to convert a Jew to another religion is forbidden.
2- Trying to convert a Goy to Judaism is also forbidden.
3- It's allowed to point out mistakes in Goyshe religions. So you can debate with Muslims and tell them what you find wrong in their books. But you must be carefull not to lead them towards atheism. If you feel a Muslim can become a Noahide, or believe in Hashem outside Islam, that's ok. But if the Muslim might become a secular, better keep silent.
I'm not sure I understand 3.
I would think even an atheist is better than a Muslim.
Put it another way...suppose someone was a Satanist. Would it be wrong to try to convert him out of his religion, even at the risk of making him an atheist?
A Muslim is not praying to the God of the Jews or Christians. He is praying to Allah, a pagan moon God who preaches evil. Islam is morally equivalent to Satanism.
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Converting muSSlims away from their nazi ideology is a righteous act.
Trying to convert Jews is punnishable by death.
Do the former.
Yes, according to Shulchan Aruch, anyone who converts or tries to convert a Jew is sentenced to death. And the Jew who accepts to be converted is also Chaiav Mita. That's why I disagree with JTF making alliances with American Fundamentalist Christians. They may not proselityze, but in case a Jew wants to be baptized.... do you think they'll say NO? JTF supports them for struggling against sexual immorality. However a sexual immoral person can still do Teshuvah. Someone who leads a Jew ashtray cannot. So, why supporting a sin with no possible Teshuvah, just to combat another sin? What is worse? A goy willing to commit immorality, or a goy ready to baptize a Jew?
Good points.
However, JTF needs to have christian allies to save America and the west.
Yes, newman indeed. Let's forget about saving some muSSlims and if they convert they may have anti-semetic and anti-Israel tendencies and can't take the conversion and break away from the religion and revert to their old jew-hating nazi muslim worship practices.
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It is better to be an atheist or pagan than a muSSlim.
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It is better to be an atheist or pagan than a muSSlim.
Me is wanted too now all a da upinian yar rigteous jentals an joos. henc i made a poll fo da peeplu to vode.
salaami - à l'ail avec chateaux petrus '78. O0
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if they are doing it only because their lost, I would tell them to go back and think about it. however, if they convert because they see the world through Christian eyes then that's perfect.
i think overall, when approaching Muslims you have to be very considerate because they take their religion more seriously then most Christians. Don't attack them, get them interested in and understanding Christianity before you start to debunk Islam.
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1- Trying to convert a Jew to another religion is forbidden.
2- Trying to convert a Goy to Judaism is also forbidden.
3- It's allowed to point out mistakes in Goyshe religions. So you can debate with Muslims and tell them what you find wrong in their books. But you must be carefull not to lead them towards atheism. If you feel a Muslim can become a Noahide, or believe in Hashem outside Islam, that's ok. But if the Muslim might become a secular, better keep silent.
I'm not sure I understand 3.
I would think even an atheist is better than a Muslim.
Put it another way...suppose someone was a Satanist. Would it be wrong to try to convert him out of his religion, even at the risk of making him an atheist?
A Muslim is not praying to the G-d of the Jews or Christians. He is praying to Allah, a pagan moon G-d who preaches evil. Islam is morally equivalent to Satanism.
I consider Satanists to be Atheists. Stanism is only a reaction to religious fundamentalism in Europe in the Middle Ages. They just worship Satan as a symbol of rebellion, but do not believe in it. Now, some youngsters call themselves Satanists to irk Christians, but are only atheists.
Regarding Muslims, they don't believe in the Moon. They just base their calendar on it. Perhaps ancient Arabs did. Muslims not.
Anyway, if a Muslim is violent I'd prefer him to become an Athesit rather than attacking others, but the Muslims you can convert out will nearly always be harmless. Terrorists won't even listen to you, they just kill you if you come near to them, and even worse if you question their beliefs.
And ex- Muslims can also become fundamentalist Arabs leftist like Nasser.
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1- Trying to convert a Jew to another religion is forbidden.
2- Trying to convert a Goy to Judaism is also forbidden.
3- It's allowed to point out mistakes in Goyshe religions. So you can debate with Muslims and tell them what you find wrong in their books. But you must be carefull not to lead them towards atheism. If you feel a Muslim can become a Noahide, or believe in Hashem outside Islam, that's ok. But if the Muslim might become a secular, better keep silent.
I'm not sure I understand 3.
I would think even an atheist is better than a Muslim.
Put it another way...suppose someone was a Satanist. Would it be wrong to try to convert him out of his religion, even at the risk of making him an atheist?
A Muslim is not praying to the G-d of the Jews or Christians. He is praying to Allah, a pagan moon G-d who preaches evil. Islam is morally equivalent to Satanism.
I consider Satanists to be Atheists. Stanism is only a reaction to religious fundamentalism in Europe in the Middle Ages. They just worship Satan as a symbol of rebellion, but do not believe in it. Now, some youngsters call themselves Satanists to irk Christians, but are only atheists.
Regarding Muslims, they don't believe in the Moon. They just base their calendar on it. Perhaps ancient Arabs did. Muslims not.
Anyway, if a Muslim is violent I'd prefer him to become an Athesit rather than attacking others, but the Muslims you can convert out will nearly always be harmless. Terrorists won't even listen to you, they just kill you if you come near to them, and even worse if you question their beliefs.
And ex- Muslims can also become fundamentalist Arabs leftist like Nasser.
No Raul,
the Muslimes don't believe in our G-d. The Tanach speakes in two cases of half-moon-amulets in the book of Book of Judges. The people of Midian wear them. This is no accident.
Mohammeds fathers name was Abd allah. Allah is the ancient moon G-d. The former name of allah was al ilāh.
Mohammed allowed the worshipping of the daugthers of allah for a short time. The name of this idols are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzza
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manah
You can read this in the satanic verses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
Raul, the beginning of the islamic cult was a pagan religion. Later they dressed this idol Allah with jewish and christian clothes. But all idols are thirsty of human blood.
The beginning of Christianity is Judaism.
This is a big difference. :)
P.S.:
All Muzzies say, that the bible is falsified by the evil Jews and Christians.
I think no Christian believes in this absurdity. :)
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1- Trying to convert a Jew to another religion is forbidden.
2- Trying to convert a Goy to Judaism is also forbidden.
3- It's allowed to point out mistakes in Goyshe religions. So you can debate with Muslims and tell them what you find wrong in their books. But you must be carefull not to lead them towards atheism. If you feel a Muslim can become a Noahide, or believe in Hashem outside Islam, that's ok. But if the Muslim might become a secular, better keep silent.
I'm not sure I understand 3.
I would think even an atheist is better than a Muslim.
Put it another way...suppose someone was a Satanist. Would it be wrong to try to convert him out of his religion, even at the risk of making him an atheist?
A Muslim is not praying to the G-d of the Jews or Christians. He is praying to Allah, a pagan moon G-d who preaches evil. Islam is morally equivalent to Satanism.
I consider Satanists to be Atheists. Stanism is only a reaction to religious fundamentalism in Europe in the Middle Ages. They just worship Satan as a symbol of rebellion, but do not believe in it. Now, some youngsters call themselves Satanists to irk Christians, but are only atheists.
Regarding Muslims, they don't believe in the Moon. They just base their calendar on it. Perhaps ancient Arabs did. Muslims not.
Anyway, if a Muslim is violent I'd prefer him to become an Athesit rather than attacking others, but the Muslims you can convert out will nearly always be harmless. Terrorists won't even listen to you, they just kill you if you come near to them, and even worse if you question their beliefs.
And ex- Muslims can also become fundamentalist Arabs leftist like Nasser.
No Raul,
the Muslimes don't believe in our G-d. The Tanach speakes in two cases of half-moon-amulets in the book of Book of Judges. The people of Midian wear them. This is no accident.
Mohammeds fathers name was Abd allah. Allah is the ancient moon G-d. The former name of allah was al il?h.
Mohammed allowed the worshipping of the daugthers of allah for a short time. The name of this idols are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzza
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manah
You can read this in the satanic verses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
Raul, the beginning of the islamic cult was a pagan religion. Later they dressed this idol Allah with jewish and christian clothes. But all idols are thirsty of human blood.
The beginning of Christianity is Judaism.
This is a big difference. :)
P.S.:
All Muzzies say, that the bible is falsified by the evil Jews and Christians.
I think no Christian believes in this absurdity. :)
Thanks for proving Islam is a pagan cult dressed up as 'monotheism'
these morons even have the false pretension ,Jews, falsified the original Tora....
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The God of Islam is the one and unique, all mighty creator, therefore it is the true GOD. However Mohamed's pretending to carry the word of GOD is clearly false.
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The G-d of Islam is the one and unique, all mighty creator, therefore it is the true G-d. However Mohamed's pretending to carry the word of G-d is clearly false.
I can only repeat it. The origin of Allah is pagan. Allah is an idol.
You mention the attributes of Allah. But why are all texts from the Tanach in the Koran falsified. This is really demoniacal.
In the Koran are the Jews liers and criminals. In the Tanach they have an eternal covenant with god. ???
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The G-d of Islam is the one and unique, all mighty creator, therefore it is the true G-d. However Mohamed's pretending to carry the word of G-d is clearly false.
I can only repeat it. The origin of Allah is pagan. Allah is an idol.
You mention the attributes of Allah. But why are all texts from the Tanach in the Koran falsified. This is really demoniacal.
The name Allah descends from al ilah. And changes in preislamic time to the today known name allah. Mohammeds father wears the name Allah in his Name. Abadallah.
So we can be shure that the name Allah exists in preislamic time.
Allah the moongod, marries the sun and gets three daughters. Manat Uzza Lat and a lot of others. All doughters of Allah are in the believe of the arabs the stars.
There are the Satanic Verses, that prove us, that the Koran was changed. Originally Allah has in the Islam this three doughters.
Mohammed is a cheater, who takes the tin gods of the arabic pantheon unclothes them of many attributes of paganism and clothes them with stories he has picked up from jews and christians, but he didn't understand what he heard.
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They may not proselityze, but in case a Jew wants to be baptized.... do you think they'll say NO?
Christians of course accept Jewish participation. Lawrence Auster is an example, born Jewish but converted to Christianity.
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They may not proselityze, but in case a Jew wants to be baptized.... do you think they'll say NO?
Christians of course accept Jewish participation. Lawrence Auster is an example, born Jewish but converted to Christianity.
He's a deluded self-hater.
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I enjoy his politics, I don't care too much for his religion.
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I personally have in the past devoted many hours to trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, I haven't had much success, but I think it's definitely a good thing to try and do.
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I personally have in the past devoted many hours to trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, I haven't had much success, but I think it's definitely a good thing to try and do.
A bit death defying, though.
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I personally have in the past devoted many hours to trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, I haven't had much success, but I think it's definitely a good thing to try and do.
A bit death defying, though.
If they want to kill me, I care not.
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I personally have in the past devoted many hours to trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, I haven't had much success, but I think it's definitely a good thing to try and do.
A bit death defying, though.
If they want to kill me, I care not.
If the silly buggers can believe that raping animal Mo is a prophet you'd think they'd believe anything. You should be able to convert them to Polynesian volcano worship.
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I personally have in the past devoted many hours to trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, I haven't had much success, but I think it's definitely a good thing to try and do.
On the other hand a great deal of christians convert to Islam.
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I personally have in the past devoted many hours to trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, I haven't had much success, but I think it's definitely a good thing to try and do.
On the other hand a great deal of christians convert to Islam.
But the playing field isn't level. Christians don't kill people who convert to another faith. Over half of converts to iSSlam revert after a few years or become atheist
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Allah is not the same God as the Jewish and Christian God. It is most definitely a made up pagan God by the pedophile prophet. Well, actually, not made up but created to another level. Yes, it is a moon God that had three daughters and so on, just as a few here rightfully explained. Even worse though, it was a rock. muhammad's father ran the kabba. He was a businessman. There were hundreds of idols in the kabba that people paid to come and worship and take care of. Many different pagan Gods were stored there, and the worshippers paid rent to mo's dad. People think the pet rock was invented in the 1970's, not so, credit must go to the predecessors of islam here.
The reason most converts from islam turn to atheism is that their God is so awfully evil and they have had it, falsely, drilled into their heads, that allah is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God, that they turn from any religion. I still would rather see them as atheists then as muslims. Atheists don't want me to put up a Christmas tree, muslims want to kill me for it. I would even rather see them become satanists, heard of any satanist terrorist attacks lately?
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I personally have in the past devoted many hours to trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, I haven't had much success, but I think it's definitely a good thing to try and do.
On the other hand a great deal of christians convert to Islam.
Many Muslims become Christian, I was only saying, that I personally have failed to cause such an occurrence so far.
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Allah is not the same G-d as the Jewish and Christian G-d. It is most definitely a made up pagan G-d by the pedophile prophet. Well, actually, not made up but created to another level. Yes, it is a moon G-d that had three daughters and so on, just as a few here rightfully explained. Even worse though, it was a rock. muhammad's father ran the kabba. He was a businessman. There were hundreds of idols in the kabba that people paid to come and worship and take care of. Many different pagan Gods were stored there, and the worshippers paid rent to mo's dad. People think the pet rock was invented in the 1970's, not so, credit must go to the predecessors of islam here.
The reason most converts from islam turn to atheism is that their G-d is so awfully evil and they have had it, falsely, drilled into their heads, that allah is the same G-d as the Jewish and Christian G-d, that they turn from any religion. I still would rather see them as atheists then as muslims. Atheists don't want me to put up a Christmas tree, muslims want to kill me for it. I would even rather see them become satanists, heard of any satanist terrorist attacks lately?
The God that muslims believe in is "The God", there is only one God that of the Jews and Christians and so their beliefs are in reference to same God.
In the Kabah there did reside an idol called Allah. The word Allah means The God in arabic. If the idol worshippers believed that the piece of stone was God then that would be a name they would call it.
I don't think that the "moon God" point is valid. Since Islam is a monotheistic religion.
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Allah is not the same G-d as the Jewish and Christian G-d. It is most definitely a made up pagan G-d by the pedophile prophet. Well, actually, not made up but created to another level. Yes, it is a moon G-d that had three daughters and so on, just as a few here rightfully explained. Even worse though, it was a rock. muhammad's father ran the kabba. He was a businessman. There were hundreds of idols in the kabba that people paid to come and worship and take care of. Many different pagan Gods were stored there, and the worshippers paid rent to mo's dad. People think the pet rock was invented in the 1970's, not so, credit must go to the predecessors of islam here.
The reason most converts from islam turn to atheism is that their G-d is so awfully evil and they have had it, falsely, drilled into their heads, that allah is the same G-d as the Jewish and Christian G-d, that they turn from any religion. I still would rather see them as atheists then as muslims. Atheists don't want me to put up a Christmas tree, muslims want to kill me for it. I would even rather see them become satanists, heard of any satanist terrorist attacks lately?
The G-d that muslims believe in is "The G-d", there is only one G-d that of the Jews and Christians and so their beliefs are in reference to same G-d.
In the Kabah there did reside an idol called Allah. The word Allah means The G-d in arabic. If the idol worshippers believed that the piece of stone was G-d then that would be a name they would call it.
I don't think that the "moon G-d" point is valid. Since Islam is a monotheistic religion.
The name Allah descends from al ilah. And changes in preislamic time to the today known name allah. Mohammeds father wears the name Allah in his Name. Abadallah.
So we can be shure that the name Allah exists in preislamic time.
Allah the moongod, marries the sun and gets three daughters. Manat Uzza Lat and a lot of others. All doughters of Allah are in the believe of the arabs the stars.
There are the Satanic Verses, that prove us, that the Koran was changed. Originally Allah has in the Islam this three doughters.
Mohammed is a cheater, who takes the tin gods of the arabic pantheon unclothes them of many attributes of paganism and clothes them with stories he has picked up from jews and christians, but he didn't understand what he heard.