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1. The goal of the JTF Forum, and of all JTF-related activities, is to fight for the survival of America, Israel and Western Civilization.
2. In accordance with this goal, the JTF Forum seeks to provide JTF supporters with the opportunity to express their views, to develop their debating skills, and to learn facts which may not be available elsewhere. JTF hopes that this experience will build new and effective leadership for both the Jews and the Righteous Gentiles in the struggle to save both America and Israel.
3. Critics and opponents of JTF should also be permitted to post messages on this forum as long as the criticism does not include threats or personal attacks. It is healthy for JTF supporters to learn how to debate and respond to such critics, and it also makes the forum more interesting.
4. Threats and personal insults are not acceptable, and will lead to the banning of members who engage in such conduct. The administrators may decide to first provide a warning to any member making threats or personal insults, or may to decide to ban such members immediately.
5. JTF is a religious organization. While we have many non-religious supporters, and we welcome them, we do expect them to respect our beliefs. Therefore, obscene language of any kind is unacceptable and may lead to the banning of a member.
6. Despite what our critics claim, JTF is not a racist organization, and only opposes evil people of any race. We do not condemn blacks or Arabs, for instance, because of their race. But we do condemn the evil behavior that the vast majority of blacks and Arabs have chosen to engage in. Criticism of evil black behavior is acceptable and necessary. But the use of racist terms such as "n*gger" and "sp*c" is not acceptable. Therefore, this forum will not permit the posting of racist terms such as "n*gger" and "sp*c." Using such language only marginalizes JTF. People will not take our proposals on how to deal with America's racial crisis seriously if we use such language.
7. All rules regarding acceptable language and behavior on the forum also apply to personal messages sent to other posters.
This set of rules was written by Chaim Ben Pesach, who sent the text to James Sullivan via E-mail.
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Thanks for letting me use the word. My other request is if the N word could be replaced with the Hebrew word "Kushim" as opposed to the German word "Schwartza". Is there a Hebrew word for a self-hating Jew that I might be able to use instead of Kike. Thanks again.
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I cant believe with all this collective initelligence in this forum we are reduced to determining how and when derogatory language should or can be used here. Can we all take the high road and not use words LIke "Kike" and "[censored]" and any other word to insult another race. I learned a very valuable lesson many years ago as a child from my mother. Sounds crazy in this day that anyoone can say they learned something valuable from their parents but it is true in my case. I was in my early teens and I ran off at the mouth using profanity. Instead of punishing me she explained to me how stupid i sounded when i spoke with those words. And what she said to me even at that age made so much sense. She said 'using language like that expresses lazy thinking'. I am not going to tell anyone how to express themselves but I certainly wont be using what i consider disgusting language here...
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I cant believe with all this collective initelligence in this forum we are reduced to determining how and when derogatory language should or can be used here. Can we all take the high road and not use words LIke "Kike" and "schvartza" and any other word to insult another race. I learned a very valuable lesson many years ago as a child from my mother. Sounds crazy in this day that anyoone can say they learned something valuable from their parents but it is true in my case. I was in my early teens and I ran off at the mouth using profanity. Instead of punishing me she explained to me how stupid i sounded when i spoke with those words. And what she said to me even at that age made so much sense. She said 'using language like that expresses lazy thinking'. I am not going to tell anyone how to express themselves but I certainly wont be using what i consider disgusting language here...
Hello my friend, and good day to you.
I have to agree. Why anyone would find a need to use these deragatory terms in regular usage is beyond me. It only serves to detract from the poster's credibility, and I find no need for it on a forum where only words are read, and intent and delivery is absent.
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Schvartza is a Yiddish word, not just German.
"I cant believe with all this collective initelligence in this forum we are reduced to determining how and when derogatory language should or can be used here."
I personally believe the derogatory speech is the most accurate way to describe evil people.
Yiddish is mostly German but contains a small amount of vocabulary from several other languages, most of which are also anti-Semitic ones. The fact that many think Yiddish as opposed to Hebrew is the language of the Jews disturbs me. The only good Yiddish words are ones that are of Hebrew origin. To the best of my understanding, Schwarta is of German origin and the only difference I was able to find is how it is spelled in English characters.
These two appear to contradict each other about whether the word is offensive, but the N word also originated this way. This may be a second reason not to use this word if we choose to not use any derogatory speech.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schwartza
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schwartze
I tried to pull something from a German-English dictionary but they all appear to list a whole bunch of words so you just have to find "Black Person" from the list.
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?o=3021;dlink=self;iservice=de-en;query=Schwarze
I understand that I am in disagreement with mainstream Jewish thought in this belief. I understand that I may disagree with everybody in this forum on this one issue. I did, however, learn from a great Jewish hero who speaks correct Hebrew on several shows we listen to, not to compromise my values to appease someone I may disagree with. This one issue, however, is extremetly minor compared to the goal of saving America and Israel and I am willing to drop this arguement and not use any derogatory speech in order to focus on the more important issues. I see now that I was wrong to want to use the K word because it is Yiddish. I wanted to use it in the style of the shows I've been listening to for many years.
It is only a request I make to replace Schvartza, Schwarta, Schwarte or however it is spelled with Kushim. Hopefully Kushim is not derogatory.
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this is a real intelligent converation...
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I be thnking I ain't tryin' to hear dat. Ya heard?
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and what would be the jewish word for a jew that lies and or bears false witness against another?
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Could you unban the word 'D i c k'?
This is still frequently used for names, and even as a swearword isn't all that bad.
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and what would be the jewish word for a jew that lies and or bears false witness against another?
That would a "good Jew" if he were doing it against a nazi piece of garbage
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and what would be the jewish word for a jew that lies and or bears false witness against another?
That would a "good Jew" if he were doing it against a nazi piece of garbage
WTF??
:o
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that is silly
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is the word [censored] o.k.?
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Re: "...is the word [censored] o.k.?..."
No!
Say "coon" instead.
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Go to time 55:50 on the September 17th website. This is exactly what I have been telling people for several years now. I'm so glad Chaim said this. In my guts I know that Chaim is right.
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So we cant call black people schvartzas here now? This is [censored]!
Edit: For the record I put the word NIGG3R there and schvartzas came out. Censorship at the JTF? Oy vey!
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So we cant call black people schvartzas here now? This is ...!
This is a religious forum. Please watch your language.
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We have made it clear repeatedly that racist language and obscenities will not be tolerated on this forum. We have even censored such language, so that if someone uses a racist term or an obscenity, the prohibited term will be replaced automatically with the word "delete."
However, posters can always find a way around our controls if they want to, and surely enough, one poster has now found a way to use these prohibited terms.
That leaves us with only one other way to prevent this forum from deteriorating into a forum that no one will take seriously. (Because the use of overtly racist language and obscenities marginalizes JTF.)
Our last way to prevent posters from ignoring our rules is to issue warnings, and if the warnings are ignored, then to ban the posters who violate the rules.
Therefore, we hope that everyone gets this message and that we will not have to resort to banning people.
You can make your points just as effectively, in fact more effectively, without using overt racist language and obscenities.
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With all due respect, I think this position is extremely hypocritical. How can you possibly complain about anyone on this forum using racist terms and obscenities when Chaim constantly uses these same racist terms and obscenities on his programs all the time. Why are we creating this hypocritical double standard? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. We don't censor anything Chaim Ben Pesach says, things that are a lot more racist and profane than what anyone can say on here, but yet we can't engage in the same behavior? How can you possibly justify this position?
Daniel
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Hello Daniel, and good day to you.
I disagree with what you've written about Chaim Ben Pesach. Personally I've never heard him make use of racial epithets, much less obscenities on any of his programs for the 7 years I've been listening to him. I believe you've confused Chaim's strong and acerbic language for racist and profane speech.
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With all due respect, I think this position is extremely hypocritical. How can you possibly complain about anyone on this forum using racist terms and obscenities when Chaim constantly uses these same racist terms and obscenities on his programs all the time. Why are we creating this hypocritical double standard? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. We don't censor anything Chaim Ben Pesach says, things that are a lot more racist and profane than what anyone can say on here, but yet we can't engage in the same behavior? How can you possibly justify this position?
Daniel
I must disagree with you also. I have also never heard Chaim use any obscenities on any of his shows. Any racial terms Chaim may use are always put into the proper context for what ever point he is trying to bring across. As a poster who crosses the line at times using descriptions that some may feel are racist I see it is easy to become too descriptive in some posts. Some restraint imposed by the administrators may make for better reading. I feel that the guidelines jsullivan has imposed are good ones and we should all try to stick to the rules as much as we can.
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Chaim uses humor that is always backed up with logic and reason.
The people that jsullivan speaks of are devoid of logic and reason.
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I agree with you about Chaim. In actual fact the "Racism" has been so molested via liberal and communist propagation that they have in fact changed the entire meaning of the word in the minds of the ignorant. Racism has nothing to do with "hating blacks because of them being black or their race" the actual deffinition for "Racism" from Cambridge Dictionary is the belief one/your race is superior to another race. If one wishes to read "The History of the Word" by Socialist Theosophist H.G. Wells or Conservative Paul Johnson or even Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West" one will find that from whatever angle blacks have contributed FAR less, if anything whatsoever, productive to humanity. With that knowledge real "Racism" is anyone whom is White and knowledged would be a "Racist" due to the fact that Whites have been directly responsible for the majority of advancements within the "Civilized" World and ALL of the advancements within the Turd World. Thus "racism" is not even a negative thing because it would be about encouraging those non-contributory poeples to clean themselves and their cultures up to do something positive for humanity. This is as I understand the logic behind the actual deffinition of "Racism" and not its twisting by the Marxists.
On another note, I feel that JTF should be able to use any language any other peoples use continually in whatever context they so desire as long as it is in an educated and informative way not just spewing hate. I personally feel that Michael Richards should NOT have appologized for his outburst until the Blacks, like the Muslims, have reformed their own degenerative cultures and appologize for their negative and truly bigotted comments... Like Kahane stated so nicely "Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the Liberal mind"
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Chaim Ben Pesach is the world's foremost Civil Rights Leader!
I'm tired of all the false accusations from those who are against Civil Rights!
Chaim works tirelessly to ensure that the Civl Rights Act of 1964 is fulfilled in our lifetime!
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Chaim Ben Pesach is the world's foremost Civil Rights Leader!
I'm tired of all the false accusations from those who are against Civil Rights!
Chaim works tirelessly to ensure that the Civl Rights Act of 1964 is fulfilled in our lifetime!
Denying Civil Rights....that must be the Communists...lol
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Do something about the Affirmative Action forum. It's embarassing.
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Perhaps it is time to go through the forum and delete some of the more inept threads.... I saw one that was from Sarah that she should take to yahoo's muslim chat room. The last thing I wish to see is JTF's site being bombarded with Muslims...
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Perhaps it is time to go through the forum and delete some of the more inept threads.... I saw one that was from Sarah that she should take to yahoo's muslim chat room. The last thing I wish to see is JTF's site being bombarded with Muslims...
Do you mean the one where she preyed on Get Thee Hence Satan?
As a matter of fact I didn't even know that. What happened?
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Christian Soldier was banned for missionizing.
Baruch HaShem! That is one thing I do not tolerate from anyone is missionizing...... Conversation and debate is one thing by missionizing is wholely another.. ;)
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It was a joke that you misinterpreted......and i am ashamed of it yes...but no, am not looking for a jewish husband.
........sometimes marzutra when you believe in your religion with such strength that it is what makes you....then it is hard to debate and arguements may come over as missionary statements...
but i cannot say about the christian dude.
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How about if you have it come out as "Egyptian squatter" instead, since the vast majority of them are descendants of Egyptians who came to the land of Israel no earlier than the 1920's.
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[censored] and Palestinians
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Palestinian
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Ok P-word is changed but P-word plural is not.
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To be technical the P authority does exist even though the P state and the P people do not. None the less, the P word is something bad and I have no objection to not seeing it.
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Thank you very much Yacov for honoring my request. Personally, I didn't care if it was Balstinian, Arab squatters, Arab Occupiers, Arabs, Muslims Nazi Bastards, Rag heads or just plain Arab drek. I feel that the specific word is not only predicated on a pure lie but has been the cause of thousands of deaths of our brothers and sisters and a true base for anti-Israel and anti-Semitism murderous propaganda here in the West. PS: I wrote and asked Aaron Klein to please refrain from using that term for the same reason. We all know the true history of these Arab occupiers is an a-history, a purely anti-Israel/semitic political movement without history without any positive aspect whatsoever except the murder of our people and over running our one tiny country.
Thanks Yacov... ;)
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How about if you have it come out as "Egyptian squatter" instead, since the vast majority of them are descendants of Egyptians who came to the land of Israel no earlier than the 1920's.
Or Transjordanian...
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hee hee good idea, I'm gonna do the same on the hebrew forum
though I think "Arab Muslim Nazi" would be just fine.
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Testing: P alestine, Palestine
When using this form of the word, the correct replacement should be Israel since the holy land is what is being refered to.
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As Rav Kahane said during his lectures: "There is no Na-b-lus but Na-p-lus: Naples! The Romans could sound "P" while the Arabs have no "P" in Arabic"...lol I had written Mr. Klein perhaps you might as him as well. :)
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I like this idea.
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[censored] [censored] [censored]
Why can't I say male chicken?
As in:
Year of the male chicken.
The male chicken crows in the morning.
Male chicken fight.
Male chicken-tail.
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I have a question about missionising. Why is it that if a christian or jew wanted to start a thread where christians and jews could debate their differences that would be banned? I am not pushing to do this, but I am curious why it would be banned. I mean if you are secure in your beliefs, and are honestly seeking truth, debate can only lead to a good place. It can reinforce what you already believe when your opponent's arguments are weaker than yours, or, it can open your eyes to something maybe you are not seeing clearly. Either way it's win win if your are of a pure heart and seeking honestly. I am just curious.
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I have a question about missionising. Why is it that if a christian or jew wanted to start a thread where christians and jews could debate their differences that would be banned? I am not pushing to do this, but I am curious why it would be banned. I mean if you are secure in your beliefs, and are honestly seeking truth, debate can only lead to a good place. It can reinforce what you already believe when your opponent's arguments are weaker than yours, or, it can open your eyes to something maybe you are not seeing clearly. Either way it's win win if your are of a pure heart and seeking honestly. I am just curious.
Well, the actions of groups like Jews for Jesus are annoying Jews very much. Even I as a Christian I disagree with their pushy and confrontational approach to propagate Christianity. Distributing tracts by standing in the street conners does more damage to the cause of Christianity than good. Jews already know what we Christians believe and we Christians know what Jews think about Christianity, New Testament and Jesus. Therefore I believe there is no need to preach to anyone who already knows what the Christian message is.
There is nothing wrong in learning about each others religious beliefs for educational purposes. I studied about Mishna and Gemmara, the Jewish view of Jesus, Jewish refutations to prophecies that Christians attribute to Jesus and other counter arguments. Learning about Judaism has not shaken my Christian faith. It was educational and interesting.
Remember Jews and Christians share a common heritage and worship the same God.
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Hello Christian Zionist,
Thank you for your reply. I don't agree with you, especially about the notion that christians are "propagating" the faith when they distribute tracts. That statement implies christians do that to increase the numbers in the "club"[i.e. it's a personally motivated endevour] as opposed to simply spreading the word as Jesus COMMANDED. And since most Jewish forums are completely closed to debate, such as this one, do groups like Jews For Jesus have any alternative? The fact that there is so much false christianity out there I think also has to make one consider that there must also be many non-christians out there that think they know the christian message, but really don't. But thank you for your sincere reply. Allen-T
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I think it's just better to sound intelligent. I happen to have a slight problem with cursing and profanity when I get hyped up and passionate about something. But I'm trying to really stop!! B'H.
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I think it's just better to sound intelligent. I happen to have a slight problem with cursing and profanity when I get hyped up and passionate about something. But I'm trying to really stop!! B'H.
You are not the only one. It is easier to quit smoking, I think!!
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If you grow up cursing then you get used to it over time. I have to literally drag a curse or swear word out. It makes me feel sick and i have to brush my teeth a couple of times before i feel moderately forgiven. Sometimes you can curse in an intelligently respectful way that really has an affect.
What pleasures to people gain out of smoking because i cannot come to terms why they even start if it doesn't give them any pleasure. It rots their teeth, gives them lung cancer and empties their bank account. I can understand why some people take drugs and alcohol, for what it gives them, but smoking?
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Smoking is wonderful, especially cigars. But if you have never done it you can't understand it. And you are better off for it!!
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Smoking is wonderful, especially cigars. But if you have never done it you can't understand it. And you are better off for it!!
A good hand made cigar form time to time is a great treat for me however habitual smoking is to be avoided.
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How's this for a rule. No word that Chaim uses on his show should be banned on this forum. Whaddaya think, Yaacov?
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Of course, they accuse JTF of racism. Are you trying to fool yourself into thinking that JTF isn't racist? We call blacks monkeys,baboons, affirmative action people, affirmative action geniuses, affirmative action creatures. Every dehumanizing name under the sun. If Chaim wants to not be accused of racism, he should stop saying that stuff. If he doesn't care then let him allow us to do what he does. I love Chaim, but what would he say if some Jewish group allowed kike but banner [censored] from their forum? Wouldn't he call them self-hating scum? Why the double standard?
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Hello Christian Zionist,
Thank you for your reply. I don't agree with you, especially about the notion that christians are "propagating" the faith when they distribute tracts. That statement implies christians do that to increase the numbers in the "club"[i.e. it's a personally motivated endevour] as opposed to simply spreading the word as Jesus COMMANDED. And since most Jewish forums are completely closed to debate, such as this one, do groups like Jews For Jesus have any alternative? The fact that there is so much false christianity out there I think also has to make one consider that there must also be many non-christians out there that think they know the christian message, but really don't. But thank you for your sincere reply. Allen-T
I have to agree with CZ here. I find missionary work highly offensive. If one wishes to convert peoples to Christianity, how about starting with the Muslim, Socialist/Communist, Buddhist or Hindu communities and their sites. JTF is not closed to debate on any subject in my opinion. I support Christians and righteous gentiles to, G-d willing, take back their country with morality, but when it comes to missionary work towards Jews, I must draw the line.
I too feel if Kike can be used so can n-gger. If one wishes to delve into the historical aspect of the word n-igger itself it had no derogatory nature whatsoever until the "progressive" Marxist movement got involved. If one wishes to call me a "racist", so let them. They would A. be wrong and B. be very ignorant to both the factually correct meaning of "racism" as well the ideology that is "progressing" it onto the masses. I do believe that David on last week's show stated that somehow Kike, Wetback, Cracker, Honky are ok but n-gger is not, not that I use is anyway but I beg the point?
To this, I shall also debate. "Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the Liberal Mind." - R.M.K.
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To this, I shall also debate. "Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the Liberal Mind." - R.M.K.
I would just like to say that really, ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the CLOSED mind. Any subject should be up for debate...even Christian Missionary stuff provided there are no personal attacks and foul language etc.
I think in order to not be a hypocrite, seeing as how Chaim said that the merits of religion ought to be able to be debated....and if you have a stronger argument based on what the Bible ACTUALLY says...then why not air it?
Remember what Rabbi Kahane stated as well..."those who cannot debate...defame."
If we Jews are too afraid (Or too annoyed) to debate with the Christian Missionaries, Jews for Jesus etc.
What the heck makes us any different or more correct than them? We can't just make a grand declaration that we are. There has to be evidence and proof, and what better forum to do that than in a good open debate?
JTF might not be the correct forum for it...but Allen-T does have a point.
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Debate is one thing but Missionary work is wholly another. Further, the closed mind is something highly common amongst those of the Liberal Left and not the Centrist/ Conservative/ "Right" by and large directly taking into consideration between the ideological differences between Factual Correctness and Joseph Stalin's "Political Correctness". This is perhaps why Rabbi Kahane used the term Liberal and not Closed... ;)
Earlier this week, I had the misfortune of debating a Nazi so-called "white supremacist" ignoramus on this site as I defended his right to Free Speech and debate on this forum....to which this Hitlarian displayed a high level of indoctrination of baseless assertion of factually based conclusions. In the end....he left... With any luck he will take a second look at the "information" his friends are dishing out....
You are 100% correct DT.....Those who cannot debate.....do defame...lol
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On this forum, we promote cooperation between Jews and Christians. We want to work together, not try to convert each other. In fact, Jews don't require Gentiles to convert in order to be accepted. Judaism is not Nazi Islam.
Very good Yacov...very good... ;)
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Why, if you have a forum full of informers like the revava forum is, aren't you supposed to kill them according to the torah? I think that calling them names is letting them off too easy. This is not a fight between groups or forums, it's rather one group who inform on their fellow jews and another group that is trully trying to protect jews. I don't think we should be putting restrictions on people as long as they are fighting for a righteous cause and doing good.
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Yacov,
I respect you, but these animals are calling Chaim a degenerate and other things on OUR forum. In fact, I doubt that some of these are Jews at all--I think a few of them are StørmFrønt posters who latched onto Revava when they learned that they have a beef with us.
This dreck, whether they are self-hating Jews or Gentile Nazis, does not deserve to live.
Chaimfan
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Yep wattering down this forum to suit these nazis that come on here will do us no good.
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"Dominater" is not even from Revava. He's a moderator from Kahane.org. If you want to insult him, do it in the way Jimmy does it. Don't resort to obscenities or language that is becoming to our enemies.
I will find you the link from Revava where he makes the exact same post there flaming Chaim, under the screenname BK.
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Well look, I don't have all the answers, but I would not take the word of these Revava phonies and Shabak traitors if my life depended on it. It is KNOWN that Dominater's real screenname is TorahTruth, which is VERY similar to TruthTyper, who is a known Nazi (and I DON'T just mean that in a generic anti-Israel sense, I mean that he is a true, outright white supremacist National Socialist Party supporter).
Why would he be unwilling to create a fake British or Israeli Jewish persona to fit in over at Revava in the hopes of getting juicy rumors and lies from those self-hating turds in over to come bash us over here with?
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I didn't say Revava and StørmFrønt are IDENTICAL, I said that they agree with each other in hating JTF and that it is possible that they share some members for that reason.
The bottom line is Revava hates us because they know they are phonies and that we will steal their audience from them if they hear our message. StørmFrønt hates us because they know that the young whites they are trying to brainwash will choose us any day over their arses if they hear our message and platform first. In that, their reasons for hating us are quite identical.
Furthermore, even though StørmFrønt is a white supremacist Nazi organization, I know full well they would be temporarily be willing to ally themselves with blacks and Hispanics who hate Jews, because Jews are their ultimate target for extermination as Nazis. They sympathize with the Arabs, who are as nonwhite as they come, because the Arabs hate Jews.
Hitler formed alliances with many nonwhites, such as Arabs, who supported him in the Holocaust, as well as whites he considered inferior (like the Russians) when it suited him. Yeah, he would have killed them too after he won the war, but at the time, they were willing to assist his quest for genocide, and he took them up on their offer.
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I disagree with you that Arabs are non-white. They are racially related to Jews.
APPEARANCE-wise they aren't white. I don't look too deeply into the meaning of the term "white"--it's just a description of color, nothing else. Appearance-wise most Jews resemble "Aryans" far more than Arabs do.
Revava wouldn't go on StørmFrønt and StørmFrønt probably never heard about Revava unless it was from JTF.
Maybe they did hear about each other from JTF. It doesn't matter. For whatever reason, they agree with each other when it comes to us. Revava is certainly full of Jewish Nazis who masquerade as rightists. StørmFrønt is just a little more honest about it's desire to annihilate every last Jew on the planet.
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I must admit I have not followed at all any posts talked about on this thread, but from what I just read here, it sounds like we are making alot of people jealous. We are expanding, trailblazing new fronts like Youtube, WestCoastJTF appears out of nowhere with this amazing archive, etc. The best possible weapon against those against US is UNIFICATION amongst US! If these groups dislike/hate Chaim because of his embracing gentiles,or for whatever reason, you can be certain that will fuel more and more hatred as we grow and G-d willing,we most certainly will!! I am not saying every attack should be ignored, but why waste valuable energy attacking them. Focus instead on how our relationships within JTF can be strengthened despite our differences. I believe that if we perfect our ability to work together here, it can have the potential to be an influence on other religious/racial groups who might otherwise reject our message. Of course when attackers come here we should defend ourselves but I don't seem much point in going to them, on their forums and attacking them. Why bother?
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The point is, on this forum we should be able to attack and address filthy jew haters and self hating scum with the strongest language possible. We should be allowed to personally attack evil drek. These people would actually destroy Israel and us if they could so we should be talking to them on their level. JTF should be a place where extreme right wing jews and gentiles can express their support for Israel and righteousness in whichever way they would like.
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I am always afraid when I post here that if I call a shvartza by the appropriate word or if I properly address a revava piece of @#$% then I will be banned. I have been listening to Chaim for many years and I long for the days of shows like the one chaim did when that shvartza politician killed his opponent inside city hall. We must never stray from our extreme right wing roots.
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Yacov, Dominater called Chaim a degenerate and was never reprimanded. He and several others have called Jimmy and others "goy" and received minimal reprimand.
Please explain why Ovadia Yosef and Dominater are more protected from insult than the rest of us. Thanks.
PS I gave ample reason why I think Dominater may be StørmFrønt. You choose to not agree with that, but I cannot see why we cannot raise the issue for others to decide.
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I will personally remove all such attacks. If Jimmy tells me to, I will ban people who repeatedly violate these rules.
In addition to this, there must be no more threads attacking HaRav Ovadiah Yosef unless you are criticizing his policies. Personal attacks, name calling, and slander against him is not permitted.
It is illegal to call Dominater a Nazi.
Yacov, what is your opinion of Baruch Marzel in light of his despicable actions? To me, he deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule for taking campaign donations from Chaim and now denying it. To me, that is treachery.
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The point is, on this forum we should be able to attack and address filthy jew haters and self hating scum with the strongest language possible. We should be allowed to personally attack evil drek. These people would actually destroy Israel and us if they could so we should be talking to them on their level. JTF should be a place where extreme right wing jews and gentiles can express their support for Israel and righteousness in whichever way they would like.
I see your point. I agree with you on part of this. We should never go down to their level... that's the way the muslims think.
I think we just have to be careful to provide facts and logic as well. We need to back up our points. Chaim always backs up what he says.
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I don't understand--you yourself do not like these people, but want to shield them from insults?
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Yacov, Dominater called Chaim a degenerate and was never reprimanded. He and several others have called Jimmy and others "goy" and received minimal reprimand.
Please explain why Ovadia Yosef and Dominater are more protected from insult than the rest of us. Thanks.
PS I gave ample reason why I think Dominater may be StørmFrønt. You choose to not agree with that, but I cannot see why we cannot raise the issue for others to decide.
No I didnt call Chaima degenerate. I said who ever calls Rabbi Ovadia Yosef a degenerate, is a degenerate themself.
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I 100% agree with these 2 new rules.
Remember our JTF forum is being read by hundreds of guests every month. Personal attacks and name calling will definitely turn many of them off .
We should disagree with the ideology and should not attack the person. However muslim and nazi invaders should be dealt with differently.
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Extremism and absolutism leave very little room for compromise. And when there is very little room for compromise, you make more enemies than friends...
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Isn't name calling an important part of the show? Congolisa Rice, Ehud Smolmert, Hillary Arafat Clinton, George Wajabe Bush are names that Chaim uses frequently.
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Isn't name calling an important part of the show? Congolisa Rice, Ehud Smolmert, Hillary Arafat Clinton, George Wajabe Bush are names that Chaim uses frequently.
He's not saying you can't call Hillary a sack of worthless excrement. lol
He's talking about posters. I really think this is more about Chaimfan going off all the time calling Dominator a StørmFrønt (whatever the heck that is) and attacking HaRav Ovadiah Yosef.
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I asked Chaim about this issue early this morning just before he left the house.
Here's how I feel about this, and I believe that Chaim agrees with me:
1. Chaim thinks very highly of Chaimfan and Down With Islam, and praised them both effusively on a recent Ask JTF program. But Chaim believes - as do I - that personal attacks against other posters is harmful to the forum. How can we encourage new people to join if they believe that they might be subjected to all types of personal attacks if they dare to disagree with JTF on a certain issue? Chaimfan and Down With Islam, think about it: what if YOU disagree with Chaim or with JTF on some issue in the future? Wouldn't you want the right to be able to express your opinions without being personally attacked? Chaim and I want you to have that right. You can disagree with people, but let's do it respectfully. These types of attacks and this type of language will only marginalize JTF, and will only play into the hands of those who claim that we are crazy.
2. Dominater apologized for his attack on Chaim. Chaim accepts the apology. Unless we see new personal attacks on Chaim in the future, we should put this matter behind us. Dominater should be welcomed here even if he disagrees with some of our views.
3. It's true that some people have tried to insult me by calling me "goy" and various other names. Chaim was indeed very angry when he saw these insults because Chaim loves the righteous Gentiles. But I am not concerned about these attacks. My Rabbi, yes MY Rabbi, Meir Kahane loved ALL righteous and decent people. Rabbi Kahane was murdered in the end in part because he heroically sought to warn the American Gentiles about the threat of Islamic terrorism. Al Qaeda correctly felt that it was essential to their efforts to destroy America to get Rabbi Kahane out of the way, because Rabbi Kahane was warning the GOYIM about the dangers of Islam. Rabbi Kahane was the greatest human being I have ever known, and I will never forget his sacrifices in order to save all decent human beings, both Jewish and Gentile, from the Muslim monsters. I will always be loyal to the legacy of this Torah giant. And since I believe that Chaim and JTF are continuing the Rabbi's holy work, I want to do everything in my power to help. If the anti-JTF Jews want to call me a "goy" and insult me, that will not deter me. "Goy" means nation in Hebrew, and Israel is also called "goy" in the Torah and the Tanach. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE INSULTED BY JEWS WHO HATE CHAIM BEN PESACH AND JTF. THEIR INSULTS PROVE THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT I AM HELPING CHAIM AND JTF. THERE IS NO HIGHER HONOR THAN THAT.
4. JTF strongly disagrees with the decision of HaRav Ovadia Yosef and his Shas party to support the Oslo suicide agreements. HaRav Ovadia even urged Israel to surrender her sacred eternal capital city of Jerusalem in 1991 for "peace". Shas is part of the Smolmert regime of treason, and has been a loyal member of the Smolmert government coalition. Eli Swisah, the Shas Interior Minister, expelled Chaim from Israel while Shas was meeting with PLO terrorist mass murderers. HaRav Ovadia and Shas supported the evil decision to invite the Arab Hitler Yasser Arafat and 80,000 Muslim terrorists into the Land of Israel, while ordering that Chaim Ben Pesach cannot even set foot in the Holy Land.
However, despite these horrible actions, HaRav Ovadia is regarded as a leading rabbinic authority by many religious Jews. To personally insult and attack him will deter Sephardi-Mizrachi (non-European) Jewish youth from joining our movement. Many of our followers in our Israeli movement are Sephardi-Mizrachi youth. We can disagree and criticize, but to personally attack and insult a leading rabbinic authority will hurt our movement. Please do not make personal attacks on HaRav Ovadia. You can disagree without making personal attacks.
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Re: "...when there is very little room for compromise, you make more enemies than friends..."
You spelled "enemas" wrong.
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Re: "...when there is very little room for compromise, you make more enemies than friends..."
You spelled "enemas" wrong.
no i meant enemies..not enemas...but yes, if you do make very little room for compromise in certain parts of your body, you may need more enemas!! haha ;D
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Re: "...when there is very little room for compromise, you make more enemies than friends..."
You spelled "enemas" wrong.
Maybe he was spelling in Ebonics. ;D
Hey whachya talkin about, Willis!? :-\
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Saying he is an Erev Rav rabbi (and no, I will not add anything to that) is NOT an insult--it is a statement of fact. It would be like saying Ahmadinejad is an anti-Semite.
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I though enema is enemy in Ebonics.
If you mean ebonics as in street trash slang, it is constantly changing...enemies could be enema, enemz, emineminemiz...language has disintergrated so much and people are changing words every day
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Saying he is an Erev Rav rabbi (and no, I will not add anything to that) is NOT an insult--it is a statement of fact. It would be like saying Ahmadinejad is an anti-Semite.
NO he isnt an Erev Rav. You dont even know what erev rav is.
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Again, I know what erav rav is and It is debatable whether or not Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is that. His actions certainly suggest he is one. The accusation against him were laid out clearly in the last ask jtf show.
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Religious leaders who accept money from governments; especially those dependent on money from governments, are inevitably compromised.
The Founding Fathers of the U.S. knew all too well from personal experience the result of religion and state mutually recognizing each other.
It results in Theocracy.
Whoever it is that puts the steak on your table and the car in your garage, is the same that defines the limits of your thoughts and actions.
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You are all pee pee heads.....
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Religious leaders who accept money from governments; especially those dependent on money from governments, are inevitably compromised.
The Founding Fathers of the U.S. knew all too well from personal experience the result of religion and state mutually recognizing each other.
It results in Theocracy.
Whoever it is that puts the steak on your table and the car in your garage, is the same that defines the limits of your thoughts and actions.
The goal in Israel is theocracy.
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Religious leaders who accept money from governments; especially those dependent on money from governments, are inevitably compromised.
The Founding Fathers of the U.S. knew all too well from personal experience the result of religion and state mutually recognizing each other.
It results in Theocracy.
Whoever it is that puts the steak on your table and the car in your garage, is the same that defines the limits of your thoughts and actions.
The goal in Israel is theocracy.
Israel is already somewhat theocratic.
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Re: "...The goal in Israel is theocracy..."
I personally tend to favor a less than pure version of theocracy, for reasons long established whenever such governments have arisen in history.
How to prevent a Jewish version of Iran is the question.
We suffered greatly from the Grand Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church (still established to this day).
The last thing the Jewish People need is a Jewish version Inquisition; where rabbis prosecute and put on trial those suspected of being deficient in their religious piety.
Jewish Holy Men are not incapable of making severe misjudgements regarding aspects of their own as well as others lives.
Some of them are so crazy that they employ religious metaphysics as a mask for their psychotic tendencies.
Some full-time Holy Men are attracted to the possibilities of reaping great bank accounts from "charity", "donations", "miracle healings", etc.
I also have my doubts that Rabbinic Sages make for the best public administrators, accountants, or law enforcement personnel.
Is it possible for a Kahanist Government to oversee a totally Jewish centered Administration, Public Works, Educational System, Banking, Defense Department, etc., while keeping the sages and holy men totally independent from financial support from government?
These details should be discussed far in advance of establishing a government.
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The last thing the Jewish People need is a Jewish version Inquisition; where rabbis prosecute and put on trial those suspected of being deficient in their religious piety.
I don't think you'll ever see anything like this. We aren't even standing up for ourselves when we should be defending our land and our families. That's part of our problem.
I'd like to see another King David.
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Israel is already somewhat theocratic.
How do you figure? With the rampant abortion and homosexuality and drug use (just like so-called "Christian" America), Israel is anything but theocratic. :(
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Re: "...I though enema is enemy in Ebonics..."
Naw...'dat b emanee's!
Eksampuh:
Don' yew' b gib'n no enemas t' yo' emanee's!
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"Eksampuh" Massuh!!! :D :DLOL
As for Israel being theocratic...hmm in some terms i would say it is but thats in comparasion with countries such as America. Judaism is a religion that enforces rules and with Israel being the Jewish homeland it does signify as being theocratic however at a very small proportion of what it could be. I would officially say Israel was theocratic when the Kahanists come to power, otherwise no. It doesn't fulfill its potential.
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Israel is already somewhat theocratic.
How do you figure? With the rampant abortion and homosexuality and drug use (just like so-called "Christian" America), Israel is anything but theocratic. :(
It is theocratic in the sense that Rabbis have authority to influence legislation. Most Kahanists would argue that their influence is negligible. I see theocracy as a sliding scale.
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I know that some people have been complaing about what I post.(most notably Sarah) I don't mind, as long as they tell people about my posts on this fourm. But insults should not exist on this fourm.
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I don't complain about what you post. I haven't done so behind your back, if thats what you're suggesting. I've commented light heartedly to you but i've never harshly meant it, i find you surprisingly funny. :D
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I'm glad that you think that I am surprisingly funny. I try to make it light on this fourm. People take things too seriously.
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I'm glad that you think that I am surprisingly funny. I try to make it light on this fourm. People take things too seriously.
LOL! Sure you do Joe.
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I just unbanned it because I saw it said "deleted Cheney". Then I came here to make the announcement and I saw your post first.
OMG! That's too funny! If we get a "deleted Cheney", we should also end up getting a "George deleted"! :laugh:
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I'm glad that you think that I am surprisingly funny. I try to make it light on this fourm. People take things too seriously.
I fully agree!
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Pales tine is now censored too, just like Pales tinian. They come out as Eretz Yisrael and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi. The reason I censored Pales tine was because I needed to convert every mention of it in a Wikipedia article to Eretz Yisrael for KahanePedia.
I don't agree that Pales tine should be censored or changed. Let's say someone is making reference to pre-48 Israel, it wouldn't be improper to use the P word since that's what the land was called then. Also, if we're quoting from the opposing viewpoint from someone who calls Israel the P word, then that should be allowed to make the point. There's a difference between censoring words and having them automatically changed. I have some reservations about that. But hey, this is just one Jew's opinion. You're the chief, boss, so it's up to you :)
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Extremism and absolutism leave very little room for compromise. And when there is very little room for compromise, you make more enemies than friends...
Brilliant! Just brilliant! i couldn't have said it any better myself!
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Yes, we have a lot more serious topics to discuss and talking constant trash about all women is off topic and arrogant.
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This is a new rule because of Adam613.
No trash talk against all women. Trashy slut women may be criticized. But to criticize all women just because they are women is not permitted and may result in permanent banning.
And who is to distinguish which women are trashy sluts Yacov?:)
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And who is to distinguish which women are trashy sluts Yacov?:)
The Torah.
Perfect answer.
I'm going to promote you a couple of times for that. ;D ;D
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I hope that these new rules won't affect me.
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Often, we allow ourselves to judge our fellow unfavorably as a result of listening to lashon hara (translated as evil speech). The Torah has many things to say about lashon hara, but what exactly is it? It is lashon hara to say negative things about anyone (who is not an enemy) whether true or not. It is lashon hara to imply negative things about anyone whether true or not. And it is lashon hara to listen to negative things about anyone - and if we do hear it, we are not to believe it. Lashon hara is killing our unity and this divisiveness must stop if we are to be effective in our mission and help JTF.
The most notable verse in Torah against lashon hara comes from Leviticus 19:16, "Do not go about as a talebearer among your people." The juxtaposition of this verse with the previous verse telling us to judge our neighbor fairly is very interesting. These concepts are inseparably linked, although they are separate mitzvot . The Chofetz Chaim (one of the GREAT Jewish sages) shows us very clearly in his works that to speak or listen to lashon hara is a transgression of 31 of the 613 mitzvot (commandments). It is said that lashon hara is so powerful that it can erase the merits of a lifetime of Torah learning and mitzvah observance.
If we are to unravel this hatred against one another, we must suspend our unfavorable judgment of each other, halt the perpetuation of those unfavorable judgments through lashon hara, and make a conscious decision to truly forgive and support one another.
In Pirkei Avos 1:6, we learn that we must "judge everyone favorably". From Leviticus 19:15, we learn that "in righteousness you shall judge your people". What does this mean? The Talmud (Shabbos 127b) tells this story of an agricultural worker:
A worker spent three years working for a landowner. On the eve of Yom Kippur he went to his employer to collect the wages for the full three years in order to return home to his wife and children. The employer claimed to have no money. "Give me fruit," said the worker. "I have no fruit," the employer said. "Let me have some of your land," pleaded the worker, thinking that he could sell it and use the proceeds. Again the landowner claimed that this was impossible. Every request for equivalent payment by the worker (animals, pillows, blankets) was met with the same reply: "I have none."
Brokenhearted and penniless, the worker trudged home. After the holidays, the landowner arrived at the home of his former employee and presented him not only with his wages, but with several mules carrying foods and delicacies as a treat for the worker's family. "Tell me," asked the landowner, "when I told you I had no money, what did you think?"
"I assumed you had invested in merchandise that you were able to purchase at a good price," answered the worker.
"And when I said I hand no animals?" the landowner inquired. "Oh, I assumed you had hired out your animals," was the reply.
"And what about my claim that I had no fruit?"
"I assumed that you had not taken the necessary tithes," the worker replied, for it is forbidden to use fruit which has not been tithed.
"Fine; but what suspicion entered your mind when I claimed to have no pillows or covers?"
"None at all. I was sure you had consecrated all your property to the Temple treasury," replied the worker.
"I swear to you," replied the landowner, "that it was exactly as you thought. I pledged all my worldly goods to the Temple in order that my son merit success at his studies. Just as you judged me favorably, so may you be judged in Heaven in a favorable manner."
A more contemporary story from "Around the Maggid's Table", also explains this mishnah (please read this one!):
Mr. Usher Feingold of Ashdod was a poor man whose friends and neighbors helped raise money for his daughter's wedding. To everyone's astonishment, the wedding was catered in a large ballroom, in a very lavish manner. Many of the guests were highly offended. Was this how an ostensibly poor family had used the funds that had been raised for them? Surely the money could have been put to better use. The guests felt they had been used. After the wedding, the Feingolds could not fail to feel the resentment of the community.
Shortly thereafter, Mr. Feingold visited his Rabbi and explained. He and his wife had gone to the caterer to arrange a simple and inexpensive wedding. During the course of the discussion, the caterer realized that she and her family owed their lives to Mr. Feingold's father, who had hidden them from the Nazis. She insisted on catering the wedding at her own expense, as a small expression of her gratitude - but she made the Feingolds promise that it would remain a secret.
"When we came to the hall that night, we were as shocked as everyone else, but I couldn't say anything to my guests. But when I saw the attitude of our friends, I went to her and explained. She gave me permission to tell the story, so now I beg you, please let people know the truth."
It is about such situations that we are taught to judge everyone favorably.
In our circles, we have often used the excuse, or some form of it, "I'm just telling you this to protect you," or "I'm just telling you this to ___________ (insert anything)." Our Sages and Rabbis, may their memory be a blessing, teach us that the only permissible time to speak negative of anyone is if ALL of the following criteria are met: 1) You are doing it to help someone, to prevent someone from being victimized, or to resolve a major dispute; 2) What you say is based on firsthand information; 3) What you are saying is true and accurate; 4) You have addressed the issue with the person about who you speak; 5) That person refuses to change; 6) There is no other way to meet the goal (help someone, prevent victimization, resolve major dispute); and 7) What you say will not cause undue harm.
How often have we spoken negatively of someone while only, supposedly, meeting the first criteria. How often has it been that we have met all seven criteria? Can you think of a single time that all seven criteria were met?
And finally, how many of us fail to forgive and bear a grudge based on the unfavorable judgments we have passed and lashon hara we have heard and spoken? I can truly only speak for myself, and my failures here are myriad. Indeed, we are commanded by Torah to forgive. Again, juxtaposed and inseparably linked from the above passages, yet a separate mitzvah, Leviticus 19:18 tells us, "You shall not take vengeance nor bear any grudge."
A story, from an unknown source, elucidates the impact of lashon hara:
Once there was a man who had said awful things about someone. Realizing that he has done something awful, he goes to his rabbi and asks, "Rabbi, what can I do?" The rabbi thinks a bit and tells the man to bring him a feather pillow. The man brings the pillow, and the rabbi tells him to go outside, rip the pillow open, and shake out the feathers. The man does that. As he shakes out the feathers, the wind catches them, and they start flying everywhere. The man comes back to the rabbi and says, "I did as you said. Now what?" The rabbi says, "Now go back outside and pick up all the feathers." The man looks startled and says, "How can I? The wind took them! I don't even know where they are now." The rabbi says, "Exactly. Just like your words. Once they're out, it's impossible to get them back"
We can't go back and recapture all the lashon hara that has been spoken, at least I know that I can't "capture my feathers". But we can resolve to speak it and hear it no more. The Chofetz Chaim said, "If an entire group resolves together to guard their speech, the merit is greater than if only one individual has made this resolution."
In the bedtime shema (the prayer before we go to sleep), the first section is a declaration of our forgiveness of others. It reads:
Master of the universe, I hereby forgive anyone who angered or antagonized me or who sinned against me - whether against my body, my property, my honor or against anything of mine; whether he did so accidentally, willfully, carelessly, or purposely; whether through speech, deed, thought, or notion; whether in this transmigration or another transmigration - I forgive every Jew. May no man be punished because of me. May it be Your will, HaShem, My G-d and the G-d of my forefathers, that I may sin no more. Whatever sins I have done before You, may You blot out in Your abundant mercies, but not through suffering or bad illnesses. May the expressions of my mouth and the thoughts of my heart find favor before You, HaShem, my Rock and my Redeemer.
That is a beautiful prayer. For me, I guess reading that prayer, and meaning it, on a consistent basis has had a real impact. In my recent studies, I've learned much about what forgiveness means in Judaism. Perhaps that is because I've been studying about Yom Kippur. There are several preparatory acts for Yom Kippur. Those are piyus (reconciliation), tevilah (immersion in a mikveh), viduy (confession of sins), and tzedakah (charity). Also, there is kaparos (the atonement ritual), but today that is observed through tzedakah which was already listed. With regard to piyus (reconciliation) we learn from Mishnah Yoma 8:9:
For sins between man and G-d, Yom Kippur provides atonement; but for sins between man and his fellow man, Yom Kippur does not provide atonement, until he appeases that man. This did R' Elazar ben Azariah expound: "From all your sins before HaShem shall you be cleansed" (Leviticus 16:30).
The Talmud relates that Rav, having once angered R' Chaninah, went every year for thirteen years to appease him on Erev Yom Kippur. Therefore, on Erev Yom Kippur every man should set his heart on appeasing everyone against whom he has transgressed.
Another man's sins are between him and G-d. It is our responsibility to seek forgiveness for our own sins from our fellow. It is our responsibility to forgive whether our fellow seeks our forgiveness or not. When we live up to our responsibility to seek forgiveness from our fellow, we should focus on our own shortcomings only. If our fellow does not forgive, that is between him and G-d, but we still have the responsibility to seek forgiveness for as long as it takes. When we live up to our responsibility to forgive our fellow, and he does not seek our forgiveness, that is between him and G-d, but we should forgive him anyway. It has been said that forgiveness takes time. Forgiveness takes an instant. Wounds may take time, but forgiveness is a decision that we either decide to make or decide not to make.
Please hear my heart on these matters and search your own hearts. It is still not too late. This holy season is a perfect time for it. It is said that Yisrael will only merit the Messiah when we all guard our speech. Perhaps, if we, together, resolve to guard our speech and forgive one another, then, as the Chofetz Chaim teaches, our merit will be counted as righteousness. Perhaps, if we do so, we will merit the Messiah again in our midst.
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EXCELLENT sticky, Jeffguy. I will be lifting up to G-d that we all take it seriously. You have said what absolutely needs to be taken to heart by every one of us.
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Wow, that was fantastic. You should consider submitting that to one of the Jewish web magazines, or a site such as ASKMOSES.COM. I'm sure they would be thrilled to have your wonderful article.
I do think that it is indeed evil to presume bad and negative things about good people when you don't have the basis or first-hand knowledge to do so. Good people deserve to have the benefit of the doubt. I also think that it is harmful to speak negatively about good people, like if trying to find faults or exceptional (as in bad) behavior to bring a good person down because it might be gossip-worthy. Willfully tarnishing someone's good name for such a petty reason is truly reprehensible.
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Why is the word 'negro' censored?
It's not slang or pejoritive. It's every bit as proper as 'caucasian'. Black community leaders insisted on it's use until the malcom x era.
Bowing to evil, Orwellian, facsist PC is wrong.
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Why is the word 'negro' censored?
It's not slang or pejoritive. It's every bit as proper as 'caucasian'. Black community leaders insisted on it's use until the malcom x era.
Bowing to evil, Orwellian, facsist PC is wrong.
Does every black person on the face of the earth consider themselves AfricanAmerican?
What is the proper term for those who don't?
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I have too often judged someone favourably, and been stung in the back for it, I will try to follow your advice though, JeffGuy.
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I have too often judged someone favourably, and been stung in the back for it, I will try to follow your advice though, JeffGuy.
Its part of life.
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Can'ts we all just get along.
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mmm.excellent post jeffguy.very thought provoking.i have read 3 times now,and each time i see and learn something ...v-good m8.
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rules on fighting:....don't forget to add that we need to wear our punching gloves so we don't hurt our fists. :laugh:
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Why is the word 'negro' censored?
It's not slang or pejoritive. It's every bit as proper as 'caucasian'. Black community leaders insisted on it's use until the malcom x era.
Bowing to evil, Orwellian, facsist PC is wrong.
Does every black person on the face of the earth consider themselves AfricanAmerican?
What is the proper term for those who don't?
No we have "African Canadians" and "African Nova Scotians". Funny though how if one asks most immigrants what "nationality" are they, the answer is NEVER "Canadian" but Somali, Nigerian, Chinese, Korean, Russian, Columbian, Syrian etc.
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I noticed a few of my posts were deleted. Did I violate terms of use or were some entire threads taken off for some reason?
I believe the mods take down any old threads or inactive ones... not to worry... :)
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I noticed a few of my posts were deleted. Did I violate terms of use or were some entire threads taken off for some reason?
I was moving several threads to appropriate boards.
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There is a new rule that prohibits people coming here in order to sell stuff for their personal businesses and/or soliciting money from our people.
I am glad that this rule was imposed. Unknown people doing business through JTF can cause the movement to get a bad name if they are unreliable. Also if they intended to use the forum to advertise they should at least arrange to make some sort of monetary contribution to JTF for allowing it.
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Any type of censorship is fundamentally disrespectful. It insults the intelligence and virtue of both the writers and the readers. This evil alone might doom JTF as a movement.
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It insults the intelligence of our members to say they can't curse? What are we, DemocraticUnderground?
Curse words exist for a reason and serve a legitimate purpose. So do racial, genderal, and other 'tribal' epithets. Even though it does makes sense that JTF would have fewer of these than normal.
But to have none seems flat wrong. It shows disrespect to writers and readers. It suggests JTFers aren't to be trusted with their use of language. It treats adults as children.
The magazine The New Yorker uses swear and bigot words rarely -- but sometimes it does use them. So too many upscale periodicals. Censorship as a fundamental principle is wrong. JTF needs to have more faith.
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Actually the forum has a moral duty to prevent the usage of swear words in regards and respect to those members who do not wish to see or read such foul words or evil. Swear words, mean horrible things, if you'd lie to see these words when there are equally good terms of expression that can be used then thats not nice. Zan you can even create a poll asking people if they'd rather use swear words, i'm sure many would not wish to do so.
Freedom of speech, concerns views and opinions, not adjectives that serve no purpose other then to insult. I suggest you by a theasaurus if you lack the imagination to use any other vocabulary.
Btw Welcome to the forum, I don't mean to be mean, just stating what I believe.....Freedom of speech! :D
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In Russian language there is a Word ZHID means that a slang for a jew I was wondering if word ok here
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Yes, it is okay. I heard that it's a slur and Russian Jews get offended but I see it as okay because it just comes from the etymology of the word Jew. But the "politically correct" word for Jew in Russian comes form the etymology of the word Hebrew.
acctually they dont really get offended it's like a homie or a budy. Example Hey my zhid whassup Zhidas and so on and etc that how they communicate with each other.
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Sarah -- 40 days ago you wrote:
Actually the forum has a moral duty to prevent the usage of swear words in regards and respect to those members who do not wish to see or read such foul words or evil. Swear words, mean horrible things, if you'd lie to see these words when there are equally good terms of expression that can be used then thats not nice. Zan you can even create a poll asking people if they'd rather use swear words, i'm sure many would not wish to do so.
Freedom of speech, concerns views and opinions, not adjectives that serve no purpose other then to insult. I suggest you by a theasaurus if you lack the imagination to use any other vocabulary.
Btw Welcome to the forum, I don't mean to be mean, just stating what I believe.....Freedom of speech! :D
Let me be very clear about the pro censorship policy of JTF. It's morally wrong and practically destructive. I hold JTF in contempt for it. I predict JTF will now have a significantly harder time creating good and great people to lead the world because of this evil policy. JTF will create sheep -- not lions (as I am already). I predict JTF will become a successful mass movement much later than it easily could have and should have.
JTF needs ten or a hundred Chaim ben Pesachs to lead it. This wrong-headed censorship policy insures they'll be less likely to emerge. It will weaken the mind, and break the heart of many -- seeing to it that much of the next generation is still-born.
As for me needing to "by" a "theasaurus" -- I have a larger, richer, and better vocabulary than anyone else on this forum. But some of this consists of sexual and bigoted 'swearing' which is absolutely essential to full vigorous expression.
And as for you "welcoming" me to the JTF forum -- I've been a Kahanist for more than 20 years! This is longer than anyone else here except Chaim!
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After reading that, I think you are probably the most arrogant person here on the forum.
Are you sure it's arrogance? Even if so, are you confident it's not justified?
Do you want strong and good people here -- or would you really rather not?
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After reading that, I think you are probably the most arrogant person here on the forum.
Are you sure it's arrogance? Even if so, are you confident it's not justified?
Do you want strong and good people here -- or would you really rather not?
Yes, yes, and yes.
Well, I beg to differ. Censorship is loathsome and evil. It's that same miserable sh*t YouTube is pulling on us right now!
Don't you see the irony? Censorship makes the otherwise great JTF forum a weaker and less happy place to be!
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A suggestion:
Could we program the forum so that "muslim" and "islam" appear as "muSSlim" and "iSSlam" only the two capital Ss should be the seigel symbals as in germany's SS.
We do it with StørmFrønt, why not with the other nazis?
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Well, I give JTF credit for not having censored my comments on this general discussion of censorship. That's good.
But it's not good enough. Not if JTF wants to take over the world. Not if JTF wants to be great. Censorship and greatness do not mix.
I'm an adult. And a good person. No-one on this planet should DARE to "monitor" or censor my words. You people are lucky and privileged if you even get to say "hello" to me. No-one on earth should DARE to monitor or censor me!
And the rest of you people should speak up for yourself as well!
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Well, I give JTF credit for not having censored my comments on this general discussion of censorship. That's good.
But it's not good enough. Not if JTF wants to take over the world. Not if JTF wants to be great. Censorship and greatness do not mix.
I'm an adult. And a good person. No-one on this planet should DARE to "monitor" or censor my words. You people are lucky and privileged if you even get to say "hello" to me. No-one on earth should DARE to monitor or censor me!
And the rest of you people should speak up for yourself as well!
Brother, JTF doesn't want to "Take over the world". Look at it this way... Some may see it as "censorship" while others see it as "de-Political Correcting". Lenin stated quite accurately "A lie told often enough becomes truth", this is emphatically the case for the non-entity known as "P alestine", "West B ank", "P alestinian People", "Occupie d Territories", "East Jer usalem" etc. etc. All of which do not exist and quite sadly, too many people use too often and too benightedly. Jesus was a Jew from Judea who lived in the Judean Galalee. He most certainly wasn't an Arabian from Pa lestine or a P alestinian from the West B ank in the Occupied Terrir ories.... Thanks to political correctness and ignoramus Jews and Christians...this revisionist molesting of history can even take root...O0
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Sarah -- 40 days ago you wrote:
Actually the forum has a moral duty to prevent the usage of swear words in regards and respect to those members who do not wish to see or read such foul words or evil. Swear words, mean horrible things, if you'd lie to see these words when there are equally good terms of expression that can be used then thats not nice. Zan you can even create a poll asking people if they'd rather use swear words, i'm sure many would not wish to do so.
Freedom of speech, concerns views and opinions, not adjectives that serve no purpose other then to insult. I suggest you by a theasaurus if you lack the imagination to use any other vocabulary.
Btw Welcome to the forum, I don't mean to be mean, just stating what I believe.....Freedom of speech! :D
Let me be very clear about the pro censorship policy of JTF. It's morally wrong and practically destructive. I hold JTF in contempt for it. I predict JTF will now have a significantly harder time creating good and great people to lead the world because of this evil policy. JTF will create sheep -- not lions (as I am already). I predict JTF will become a successful mass movement much later than it easily could have and should have.
JTF needs ten or a hundred Chaim ben Pesachs to lead it. This wrong-headed censorship policy insures they'll be less likely to emerge. It will weaken the mind, and break the heart of many -- seeing to it that much of the next generation is still-born.
As for me needing to "by" a "theasaurus" -- I have a larger, richer, and better vocabulary than anyone else on this forum. But some of this consists of sexual and bigoted 'swearing' which is absolutely essential to full vigorous expression.
And as for you "welcoming" me to the JTF forum -- I've been a Kahanist for more than 20 years! This is longer than anyone else here except Chaim!
Sheesh. You know what, why don't you tell Chaim this and see what he thinks, since you say his the only Kahanist more experienced then you. I can predict his views already.
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Someones got an ego issue :o
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can someone tell me, why i cant ask chaim to help me make a persausive speech, trying to convence my LANG115 class on the rightousnes of JTF's view's.
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Missionizing is not permitted and will result in permanent banning.
Just serach for Irongreek's post in this thread and judge if it was missionizing, or at least anti-Torah
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12351.15 (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12351.15)
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Missionizing is not permitted and will result in permanent banning.
Just serach for Irongreek's post in this thread and judge if it was missionizing, or at least anti-Torah
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12351.15 (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12351.15)
He's a 17 yr old-give him a break! We give you a brake, going on about all your leftist nonsense.
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Missionizing is not permitted and will result in permanent banning.
Just serach for Irongreek's post in this thread and judge if it was missionizing, or at least anti-Torah
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12351.15 (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12351.15)
He's a 17 yr old-give him a break! We give you a brake, going on about all your leftist nonsense.
Agreed, Boer.
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Thank you Fan ;)
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Fellow jtfers last night when i tried to log into the forum on Iron Greek
it says Sorry Iron Greek, but you have been banned from the forum!!
I dont know how this could have happened because i have been pretty peacefull for weeks and it just happened out of nowhere
do you think it could be a accidental error??
Your help will be appreciated!!! I honestly dont know how this could have happened.
I am a proud supporter of the Jewish Task Force and it would be a shame if this was an intentional action. I have great respect for my fellow members.
This great organization had a tremendous impact on my life.
Thanks!
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It is because your IP was changed to one that was banned. It happens a lot. Just unplug your modem and log back in.
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I did that
and it shows that regardless what is done
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Yacov messaged me that you have been banned for attacking other members and posting obscene language; go talk with Yacov via PM and try to get the ban lifted. I told him that I don't agree with it and want a warning or few day ban but the decision is up to him.
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Maybe you should have been given a warning BEFORE you were BANNED!
PM Yacov and try to get you account active again...
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Maybe you should have been given a warning BEFORE you were BANNED!
PM Yacov and try to get you account active again...
Yeah, I agree.
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Maybe you should have been given a warning BEFORE you were BANNED!
PM Yacov and try to get you account active again...
yup.
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Maybe you should have been given a warning BEFORE you were BANNED!
PM Yacov and try to get you account active again...
yup.
I agree that you should have been giving a warning before being banned! :(
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I am sure the Admins did what they believe best. I for one have been quite disgusted at some of his posts towards certain members! >:(
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:-X ;)
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I am sure the Admins did what they believe best. I for one have been quite disgusted at some of his posts towards certain members! >:(
If its the thread I am thinking of he had quite a bit of provocation. Still we need to keep things to a certain standard but that should go for everyone involved the provoker and the provoke. A strong warning in this case should suffice for both sides.
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We really have to keep things clean on the forum. We are an example.
Since we proclaim our faith in Hashem and Torah, teach Rabbi Kahane's message, and are an example to the outside... we have that higher level of responsibility and we can't claim the great Rabbi Kahane's message and then condone behavior that he spoke out against. We are here to be a light and to help change the world.
I agree that IR0N GREEK was banned and this was the right thing to do. There is no room for perverted speech, condoning beating women, and glorification of sick and depraved ideals. I wish I had seen more of his posts before all this happened and could have spoken out against it but I don't think that JTF is where this person belongs.
Sometimes, not with ill intention or malice, we take our tempers, egos, or dark humor too far. The Torah is very clear on this and our example is not only important to Chaim and JTF (as if this wasn't enough)... but to Rabbi Kahane, his message, and his life's work.
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We really have to keep things clean on the forum. We are an example.
Since we proclaim our faith in Hashem and Torah, teach Rabbi Kahane's message, and are an example to the outside... we have that higher level of responsibility and we can't claim the great Rabbi Kahane's message and then condone behavior that he spoke out against. We are here to be a light and to help change the world.
I agree that IR0N GREEK was banned and this was the right thing to do. There is no room for perverted speech, condoning beating women, and glorification of sick and depraved ideals. I wish I had seen more of his posts before all this happened and could have spoken out against it but I don't think that JTF is where this person belongs.
Sometimes, not with ill intention or malice, we take our tempers, egos, or dark humor too far. The Torah is very clear on this and our example is not only important to Chaim and JTF (as if this wasn't enough)... but to Rabbi Kahane, his message, and his life's work.
I completely agree with you Shlomo!
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We really have to keep things clean on the forum. We are an example.
Since we proclaim our faith in Hashem and Torah, teach Rabbi Kahane's message, and are an example to the outside... we have that higher level of responsibility and we can't claim the great Rabbi Kahane's message and then condone behavior that he spoke out against. We are here to be a light and to help change the world.
I agree that IR0N GREEK was banned and this was the right thing to do. There is no room for perverted speech, condoning beating women, and glorification of sick and depraved ideals. I wish I had seen more of his posts before all this happened and could have spoken out against it but I don't think that JTF is where this person belongs.
Sometimes, not with ill intention or malice, we take our tempers, egos, or dark humor too far. The Torah is very clear on this and our example is not only important to Chaim and JTF (as if this wasn't enough)... but to Rabbi Kahane, his message, and his life's work.
I completely agree with you Shlomo!
I agree O0
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I think we must follow Rav Kahane's example, and remember that "Those who cannot debate, defame". We must show and prove we are right, not say it in a derogatory manner.
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I fixed it to match both singular and plural.
P singular- PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi
P plural- PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis
I mainly lurk, but... I think that's kind of racist. I understand that Kahanists don't believe in "P people," but that term suggests that ALL the Arabs of the West Bank, Gaza and Medinat Yisrael are Muslim (there are many Christian Arabs) and that all Arab Muslims understand Islam well enough to be indoctrinated in Jew-hatred (many Jews do not understand Torah, and the same is undoubtedly true of many Muslims and their Koran.)
I might suggest that the name come out as "Arabs of the West Bank, Gaza or Medinat Yisrael" or simply "Yesha Arabs."
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The word "Jap" when referring to Japanese people will not be a censored word because it is also used against self-hating Jewish women who think they are "'Jewish American' Princesses". The context is what matters just like we permit kike against self-hating Jews but not as an Anti-Semitic attack against all Jews. So Jap against Japanese people will not be tolerated but JAP against self-hating Jewesses will be.
Could somebody please explain such rank stupidity?
How can 'jap' (short for 'japanese') be racist when............
'Brit' (short for British)
'Aussie' (short for Australian)
'Scott' (short for scottish) and
'Yid' (short for Yiddish- meaning Jew)
are not?
HUH??
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The word "Jap" when referring to Japanese people will not be a censored word because it is also used against self-hating Jewish women who think they are "'Jewish American' Princesses". The context is what matters just like we permit kike against self-hating Jews but not as an Anti-Semitic attack against all Jews. So Jap against Japanese people will not be tolerated but JAP against self-hating Jewesses will be.
Could somebody please explain such rank stupidity?
How can 'jap' (short for 'japanese') be racist when............
'Brit' (short for British)
'Aussie' (short for Australian)
'Scott' (short for scottish) and
'Yid' (short for Yiddish- meaning Jew)
are not?
HUH??
An excellent point?
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Its not racist, its a correct term.
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Why doesn't someone ask Chaim on Ask JTF if we should keep this rule. I enacted the rule because Scriabin asked me to but he has now left JTF.
Why enact a rule on one person's insistance?
Nobody (including scriabin) has made a single valid argument that 'jap' is racist or derogatory.
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Why doesn't someone ask Chaim on Ask JTF if we should keep this rule. I enacted the rule because Scriabin asked me to but he has now left JTF.
Why enact a rule on one person's insistance?
Nobody (including scriabin) has made a single valid argument that 'jap' is racist or derogatory.
Helloooooooo Newman now you get it ;)
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we have to keep by these important rules!
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Its not racist, its a correct term.
Correct
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There should also be rules against adminastraters calling members on the forum "perverts" or anything else. If they do, they should be permentantly banned.
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There should also be rules against adminastraters calling members on the forum "perverts" or anything else. If they do, they should be permentantly banned.
Now, now.
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There should also be rules against adminastraters calling members on the forum "perverts" or anything else. If they do, they should be permentantly banned.
Unless they, obviously, are perverts. Joe, are you now making new rules for the forum?
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Who needs to insult black people with the N word when so many black people have already done it for us?
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Who needs to insult black people with the N word when so many black people have already done it for us?
That is funny. What is very interesting is the history of the "n" word and how it became something denoting color without any derogatory context to the "n"....Ooooooo word of today...
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I know, it's weird! There is this show called "The Boondocks" where most of the characters say n***a. In the show, there are these two white characters named Ed and Rummy who use the N word as well. However, Rummy uses the term N***a as a general term for ignorant Motherf***er and then states that anybody of any race can be an ignorant Motherf***er. So, if we use it in that context and use it to describe ignorant Arabs and ignorant self-hating Jews and other ignorant individuals, can we say n***a?
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I'm not so sure that I like the ebonics thing. To me, it's associated with ignorance, defiance, and immorality. Even though I know it's only mocking, I think we would do best staying away from the appearance of evil. This is my opinion.
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It's just my opinion.
Audio/video format is completely different than written (which can be taken out of context more easily from search engines).
Plus, Chaim has a gift that many don't have in his ability to convey a message. He never goes overboard and presents a factual argument. It's never out of context and it's not very often.
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I'm against the word kike and it should be banned here.
The context doesn't matter, it will encourage antisemitism.
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I'm against the word kike and it should be banned here.
The context doesn't matter, it will encourage antisemitism.
Same here, but it's very useful for self-hating traitor jews!
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A kind word will turn away wrath,right? O0
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All threads and polls of a pornographic or suggestive nature are subject to locking or deletion.
I would hope so.