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Miley Cyrus' Father Billy Ray Cyrus Defends Daughter's Poledancing
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Miley-Cyrus--s-father-defends-her-pole-dance/505032
(warning--slightly immodest picture in link)
I would say something to this hideous little kurva, but since you all know what that would be, there's no need to. People like this disgusting little tramp are literally sending the millions of stupid, secular little girls that worship them to hell along with them. If this sick teenage slut really wants to be a whore (instead of just a wannabe), she should spend a few months on the street (without her millions) and find out what it takes for a worthless little brat like herself with no job skills whatsoever (and crappy singing that is edited to sound nice by her dozens of Disney production gurus doesn't count) to survive in the real world.
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Bonesfan
Miley Cyrus's father defends her pole dance
Posted: Friday , Aug 21, 2009 at 1349 hrs
London
'Hannah Montana' actress Miley Cyrus's father has tried to put a stop to the controversy sparked by her pole dancing at this year's Teen Choice awards, insisting that the star was only trying to entertain.
Some family welfare groups had criticised that the 16-year-old star danced provocatively, bringing strip club dancing to the stage of the year's most wholesome awards show, reported Contactmusic.
Cyrus had performed along on a dance pole that was on top of an ice-cream pushcart and she was criticised for seeming to poke fun at American culture.
But Billy Ray Cyrus insists his daughter's critics always go too far. "I just think that Miley loves entertaining people," he said.
He has urged his daughter not to pay attention to the negative comments being levelled against her.
"I always tell her to love what you're doing and stay focused for the love of the art and not worry so much about opinion," he added.
Earlier, the teen star was criticised for posing topless for a photo shoot with Vanity Fair. The actress, who is hugely popular among teenagers, had to apologise after parents expressed their outrage at the provocative nature of the photographs.
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Really? She annoys me with her Jesus talk. I don't really think she was trying to be a slut because of her religious views.
I would say something to this hideous little kurva, but since you all know what that would be, there's no need to. People like this disgusting little tramp are literally sending the millions of stupid, secular little girls that worship them to hell along with them
Strong statement. You really need to relax. I don't think immodesty = going to hell. Murdering and being a criminal = going to hell. The surenos and AB in prison are going to hell. Not a bunch of teenage girls. I don't know how a just and fair G-D can send a bunch of girls to suffer for all eternity because of being a slut, immodest, or even sleeping around.
I hate Miley Cyrus though. She's annoying.
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She's just another Britney Spears in the making. Ten years down the road and she'll be washed-up.
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try 5 years when disney will find another girl to replace her
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try 5 years when disney will find another girl to replace her
It's sad how these young girls are pimped out by Disney and other media concerns. Miley Cyrus is 15 or 16 but cavorts around like she's a hooker. :o
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She's gotten so fat I can't imagine how she's still worshiped.
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Unfortunately let's face it. She is rather cute.
This of course makes her all the more dangerous to stupid twit girls and (especially) guys alike.
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Common Bones, you are over the top with this girl!
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Over the top? I think this might be my first thread ever about her.
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She represents a dangerous trend: the sexualizing of young girls.
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Yes.
To the souls of women, she is like the venom of an asp.
To the souls of men, she is an IED.
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One of the comments on the linked page brought up a good point: the dance was rehearsed, which means adults saw it and approved of it before it actually happened. Blaming a little tramp like her in toto is to ignore the real culprits: the money-grubbing, attention-seeking pimps and perverts (like her father). Shameful, but also scary because you can see the mind-warped children on Zootube defending Miley Cyrus as if nothing's wrong with her slutty antics.
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What about all the male stars that are doing the same thing?
How come you only address the women?
Yes.
To the souls of women, she is like the venom of an asp.
To the souls of men, she is an IED.
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One of the comments on the linked page brought up a good point: the dance was rehearsed, which means adults saw it and approved of it before it actually happened. Blaming a little tramp like her in toto is to ignore the real culprits: the money-grubbing, attention-seeking pimps and perverts (like her father). Shameful, but also scary because you can see the mind-warped children on Zootube defending Miley Cyrus as if nothing's wrong with her slutty antics.
Very good point!
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I blame pop culture in general for producing these kinds of people, be they little sluts like Miley Cyrus or pedophiles like Michael Jackson (may he burn in hell). I enjoy music of all kinds, but I don't see how anyone would want to follow in the footsteps of such people. It's servile and slavish and shows you've got no ability to develop your own personality and character. Gd forbid if you actually like, say, Mozart or Chopin. ;D
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All over right wing blogs, I read about how so many women are sluts.
But the fact of the matter is, young women are shamed, bullied and manipulated into this kind of behavior. The people doing the shaming and manipulating are other teens AND adults, along with the help of the entertainment industry and the news media.
For a girl to remain a virgin, in this day and age, is the same thing as being promiscuous would have been over 100 years ago. It's all in reverse now.
I've read in Salon.com about how young women in their 20's got dumped after revealing to the guys they like that they're virgins. A while back, the site AskMen.com wrote about why men should not date virgins.
So Miley Cyrus is just a symptom of all that's wrong today.
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Lisa, there is some truth to what you say but Miley Cyrus is big enough to where she doesn't have to stoop to this deplorable behavior. I don't think anyone would be able to force her to do this.
If she is being slutty, it's to get more notoriety.
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It's a sign of the times when undecent behavior is accepted as being normal or even desired. Gd forbid if a girl is still a virgin when she gets married, but the same can also be said for any decent-minded fellow as well. Quite frankly, the scruples of modern pop culture are disgusting and music of this sort ought to be more heavily censored or even banned outright. But, that'd be harming freedom of speech and expression, and that'd be a horrid crime... ;D
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Well Bones, you can always write to Disney and tell them that you'll boycott them unless they get their act together.
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Well Bones, you can always write to Disney and tell them that you'll boycott them unless they get their act together.
Unless Bones is a young girl between the ages of 6-14 I don't think Disney will care much. Then again, it's not as if he doesn't have experience posing as someone else...
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,37449.msg376984.html#msg376984
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I don't really patronize Disney as it is.
Lisa, do you think Cyrus deserves the y-s?
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No Bones.
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Why not? Don't you remember, I asked Chaim this on an Ask JTF and he said extremely immoral people deserve it and that overt Nazism is not actually necessary?
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I don't really think it's Miley's fault. She was raised with a different moral structure than most of us were. She doesn't know any better, and the adults in her life have failed her.
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Yet, she's publically called herself a Christian, talked about her beliefs and such. She must not read her Bible then, but that'd not really surprise me.
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This girl talks about her 'savior' so much that many people don't want to listen to her. If anything, she is overly religious, which is why I don't think the purpose of this was to try to be slutty. I don't think that she woke up this day and said, "Hey, how can I be more slutty today?" Whether she was wrong or right.
Why not? Don't you remember, I asked Chaim this on an Ask JTF and he said extremely immoral people deserve it and that overt Nazism is not actually necessary?
Does Theodor Herzl deserve it? He was an Atheist and even thought of mass-converting Jews to Christianity so that they won't be persecuted.
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I think Herzl does deserve to be cursed.
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Her father is a has been who needs his daughter to do whatever so she can pay his bills.
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Yet, she's publically called herself a Christian, talked about her beliefs and such. She must not read her Bible then, but that'd not really surprise me.
Unfortunately there are many people who claim to be Christians but actually don't have any real, core beliefs. They call themselves "secular Christians". The term is a contradiction. If you're a Christian, in my opinion, you need to believe certain core doctrines of Christianity. I think they just like the term Christian because it makes them seem more "normal" in the USA. In her father's case, he's a country singer, and you can't be a country singer without being at least a nominal Christian, so I think he does it for convenience purposes.
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Her father is a has been who needs his daughter to do whatever so she can pay his bills.
I agree with you. Billy Ray Cyrus is probably financially dependant on his daughter. She's the only reason why Billy Ray Cyrus maintains any relevance.
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Unfortunately there are many people who claim to be Christians but actually don't have any real, core beliefs. They call themselves "secular Christians". The term is a contradiction. If you're a Christian, in my opinion, you need to believe certain core doctrines of Christianity. I think they just like the term Christian because it makes them seem more "normal" in the USA. In her father's case, he's a country singer, and you can't be a country singer without being at least a nominal Christian, so I think he does it for convenience purposes.
I did not know this, guys. (I keep telling you all that I don't set out to follow evil celebrities.) I did not know until now that Miley pretends to be a Christian and talks on and on about her alleged faith. This makes me hate her even more. If she is a Christian at all, she is an extremely self-hating one. I'd even call her a Christian k*** (if there even is such a thing).
Yeah, it's true that Billy Ray is a washed-up nobody with no career whatsoever anymore, but I highly doubt that he is forcing his pure, wholesome daughter to perform vile acts that she would not normally do. What is far more likely is that he lets his little slutbag do whatever the heck she wants without interference. Do remember that this little trollop was living with her 21-year-old boyfriend with her parent's permission. I don't see that as part of a scheme to increase her popularity (because let's face it, most secular teens would do just that if they could), just simple abandonment of parental duties.
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Hollywood and the music industry are somewhat evil and corrupt, I think. She is a product of her environment, yes, I agree.
I don't really think it's Miley's fault. She was raised with a different moral structure than most of us were. She doesn't know any better, and the adults in her life have failed her.
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Yeah she was corrupted by the evil influences around her, but she still has free will. Nobody forced her to be a whore just because everyone else is.
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Am I missing something? I thought a whore meant that somebody has to sleep around, or be a prostitute. All she was doing was dancing and because there was a pole there, people thought that she was trying to copy strippers.
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Are you trying to say that poledancing or pretend-stripping is acceptable and normal behavior for teenage girls?
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No. But in order to be a whore or a prostitute, you have to give sex for money, which is obviously not what she is doing. She is just being slutty. What I'm saying in the other post is that I don't think they had her trying to copy a stripper. I don't think they would have done it at the teen choice awards on purpose. I really don't think that the producers said, "Hey, lets make her do a striptease on the pole at the teen choice awards". They didn't see it in that light.
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She's being a prostitute in that she is doing these immoral things to increase her popularity.
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I really hate Miley Cyrus, slut, or no slut.
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I think I might start a whoremonger thread.
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I think I might start a whoremonger thread.
This might be an interesting change of pace :::D
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whoremonger? someone who enables them?
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Someone who wants to have sex with whores.
THEY are JUST as responsible, if not moreso.
Dont' even try to blame it all on the women.
whoremonger? someone who enables them?
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Someone who wants to have sex with whores.
THEY are JUST as responsible, if not moreso.
Dont' even try to blame it all on the women.
Where did I say it is all their fault, and more importantly why do you find a reason to argue with virtually every single post I make?
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I just get tired of the name calling.
You have no clue what it is like trying to live on the earth as a woman.
There are many bad injustices done against women and children, every day.
Usually at the hands of men.
Why not pick on those men and not the women who may or not be making bad choices and YOU DONT KNOW THE ENTIRE STORY so why judge?
The bible (yours and mine) says to not judge, lest you be judged as harshly or even more so.
THERE ARE WOMEN WHO ARE FORCED into prostitution every day against their wills.......
Why not rail against the men who do that?
Someone who wants to have sex with whores.
THEY are JUST as responsible, if not more so.
Don't' even try to blame it all on the women.
Where did I say it is all their fault, and more importantly why do you find a reason to argue with virtually every single post I make?
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Yet, she's publically called herself a Christian, talked about her beliefs and such. She must not read her Bible then, but that'd not really surprise me.
Unfortunately there are many people who claim to be Christians but actually don't have any real, core beliefs. They call themselves "secular Christians". The term is a contradiction. If you're a Christian, in my opinion, you need to believe certain core doctrines of Christianity. I think they just like the term Christian because it makes them seem more "normal" in the USA. In her father's case, he's a country singer, and you can't be a country singer without being at least a nominal Christian, so I think he does it for convenience purposes.
I don't call myself anything, but someone else might label me a Noahide or a Gdfearer. Secular Christianity makes about as much sense as Nazi Judaism- in other words, a total impossibility. But, the watering-down of religious beliefs is responsible for much of society's ills, and a tart like Miley Cyrus, who, for example, supports "gay" marriage, is merely an example of a young person who was raised with no grounding in religious beliefs at all.
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I will defend ~Hanna~ in this case.
Our forum posts many examples of women behaving badly... This often gives the impression that we are misogynists and look down on women. All human beings are struggling with their inclinations and desires. We should try to refrain on judging them harshly and using derogatory words to describe them.
We can have judgement on truly evil people who have evil desires. But I do believe that our society has become accepting of these lower morals and many of our people are not enlightened with the morality that we have. We should not feel superior to them and not use derogatory names. We should point out their errors and suggest ways they can make life better. In many cases it will not succeed, but it will keep our level up as opposed to engaging in Lashon Hara or other evil speech...
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People who don't like a thread shouldn't click on it if they know they will disagree.
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There's a difference between struggling with one's evil inclinations and making a profit from pseudo-harlotry. The former is the hallmark of the man or woman of Gd, for didn't David struggle with his evil inclinations? He was a righteous king in Gd's eyes, despite his sinful faults like the conspiracy to murder Uriah.
Blatant exhibitionism like Miley Cyrus' poledancing is what Gd warns us to avoid, such as when Isaac, I believe, was warned not to take a wife from among the Canaanites- and we all know how they turned out. :o
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Are you trying to say that poledancing or pretend-stripping is acceptable and normal behavior for teenage girls?
Hasn't it become 'acceptable and normal' behavior? I don't blame Miley Cirus or her Dad. I blame the society that demands this kind of behavior...and they do. If enough people turned off the TV or didn't buy the music...end of story.
The teen choice awards weren't on in my house.
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Thankyou Muman...I appreciate it.
Hatred of women is rampent in the world today..the battle of the sexes comes from the garden of Eden. But that is an entire other thread... :laugh:
This is a good response. I agree with what you said, too.
I will defend ~Hanna~ in this case.
Our forum posts many examples of women behaving badly... This often gives the impression that we are misogynists and look down on women. All human beings are struggling with their inclinations and desires. We should try to refrain on judging them harshly and using derogatory words to describe them.
We can have judgement on truly evil people who have evil desires. But I do believe that our society has become accepting of these lower morals and many of our people are not enlightened with the morality that we have. We should not feel superior to them and not use derogatory names. We should point out their errors and suggest ways they can make life better. In many cases it will not succeed, but it will keep our level up as opposed to engaging in Lashon Hara or other evil speech...
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Hasn't it become 'acceptable and normal' behavior? I don't blame Miley Cirus or her Dad. I blame the society that demands this kind of behavior...and they do. If enough people turned off the TV or didn't buy the music...end of story.
The teen choice awards weren't on in my house.
It has become acceptable and normal because of millions of little hussies like Miley.
As for "hatred of women"--you don't see male celebrities outwardly doing the same types of whoring things as Cyrus, Hudgens, Jolie, etc. to the extent that they do. No, they aren't innocent by any stretch in private--they do all of the same disgusting activities, but they don't sexualize themselves for entertainment purposes the way slutty actresses/singers do, and so are not as obvious. Plus the media reports on them less.
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Yes, I do.
Hasn't it become 'acceptable and normal' behavior? I don't blame Miley Cirus or her Dad. I blame the society that demands this kind of behavior...and they do. If enough people turned off the TV or didn't buy the music...end of story.
The teen choice awards weren't on in my house.
It has become acceptable and normal because of millions of little hussies like Miley.
As for "hatred of women"--you don't see male celebrities outwardly doing the same types of whoring things as Cyrus, Hudgens, Jolie, etc. to the extent that they do. No, they aren't innocent by any stretch in private--they do all of the same disgusting activities, but they don't sexualize themselves for entertainment purposes the way slutty actresses/singers do, and so are not as obvious. Plus the media reports on them less.
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I said not to the same extent as female celebrities, not not at all.
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Blame the media for that, mainly ran by men.... :P
:laugh: :::D
If it was mainly ran by women, it would be the other way around.
I said not to the same extent as female celebrities, not not at all.
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Men don't usually use their bodies, directly, for attention. It's not common due to just how the sexes are socialized. There are some examples of really obviously whoring men (Prince, the late Michael Jackson, George Michael, etc.) but for the most part guys like this are regarded as freaks. The mass-market culture of sexuality almost exclusively uses the female body.
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Hasn't it become 'acceptable and normal' behavior? I don't blame Miley Cirus or her Dad. I blame the society that demands this kind of behavior...and they do. If enough people turned off the TV or didn't buy the music...end of story.
The teen choice awards weren't on in my house.
It has become acceptable and normal because of millions of little hussies like Miley.
And millions of men who enjoy 'little hussies' being little hussies. It's a two way street. Society's values crumbled with the sexual revolution. It's not the fault of one gender or one group. Everyone has changed.
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No, I never said it was all the womens' fault. But the way the culture is, female sexualization is more valued and encouraged than male.
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:clap: :clap: :clap:
It all began in the Garden of Eden...
Hasn't it become 'acceptable and normal' behavior? I don't blame Miley Cirus or her Dad. I blame the society that demands this kind of behavior...and they do. If enough people turned off the TV or didn't buy the music...end of story.
The teen choice awards weren't on in my house.
It has become acceptable and normal because of millions of little hussies like Miley.
And millions of men who enjoy 'little hussies' being little hussies. It's a two way street. Society's values crumbled with the sexual revolution. It's not the fault of one gender or one group. Everyone has changed.
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Men don't usually use their bodies, directly, for attention. It's not common due to just how the sexes are socialized. There are some examples of really obviously whoring men (Prince, the late Michael Jackson, George Michael, etc.) but for the most part guys like this are regarded as freaks. The mass-market culture of sexuality almost exclusively uses the female body.
It seems to me that has changed. It uses both now. But either way, the whole thing feeds the desires of men who want this type of behavior in society. If men were as a whole completely disapproving like you are, this tendency in society by women would not have developed. It did not develop in a vacuum. The men and women play off each other. Women display behaviors that men find attractive and want to see. Men display the behaviors they think/hope will impress women. If suddenly a group of men starts doing something very bizarre, and they are reacted to with only approval, honor, praise from women around them, more and more men will start to do that, and with more and more approval from women, and so on... this thing will become a trend.... That is what happened with women being sexual objects in society.
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It wasn't like a group of women sat down and said, ok now let's figure out a plan so that we can become sexual objects in culture and mass media and then also brainwash young women to do the same and follow in our footsteps. Let's do x y and z. And then presto it happened. Men are complicit in the societal change.
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Every person is born with character flaws. It is our mission in life to change, to grow, to strive for perfection and spirituality.
One of the greatest gifts God has blessed us with is companionship: friends, family, people around us who are close enough to be objective.
Remaining silent when reproof is called for is not “guarding our tongue”, it is depriving one’s fellow of his lifeline to self-improvement.
Based on the writings of the Chafetz Chaim
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I am all for changing and improving....I don't do real well when called names, and insulted though. Most women don't.
There is a right way to do something and a wrong way to do it.
That is what my point is here.
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Hasn't it become 'acceptable and normal' behavior? I don't blame Miley Cirus or her Dad. I blame the society that demands this kind of behavior...and they do. If enough people turned off the TV or didn't buy the music...end of story.
The teen choice awards weren't on in my house.
It has become acceptable and normal because of millions of little hussies like Miley.
As for "hatred of women"--you don't see male celebrities outwardly doing the same types of whoring things as Cyrus, Hudgens, Jolie, etc. to the extent that they do. No, they aren't innocent by any stretch in private--they do all of the same disgusting activities, but they don't sexualize themselves for entertainment purposes the way slutty actresses/singers do, and so are not as obvious. Plus the media reports on them less.
I have to disagree.
We have young women behaving like this because society has made it acceptable and even preferable.
Miley Cyrus doesn't want to become irrelevant as she transitions from teen to young woman.
I didnt say anything about 'hatred of women'. My mind doesn't work like that.
I think society as a whole has lowered the bar on behavior. It wouldnt happen if it didn't sell.
Men (especially white males) have their own set of problems today. They ARE becoming irrelevant. They have taken a backseat to women and minorities. Soon they may be pole dancing their way through the teen choice awards just to get a job. It is an upside down world. The last issue makes me very angry. Women should realize the value men have in society and in their lives.
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Hasn't it become 'acceptable and normal' behavior? I don't blame Miley Cirus or her Dad. I blame the society that demands this kind of behavior...and they do. If enough people turned off the TV or didn't buy the music...end of story.
The teen choice awards weren't on in my house.
It has become acceptable and normal because of millions of little hussies like Miley.
And millions of men who enjoy 'little hussies' being little hussies. It's a two way street. Society's values crumbled with the sexual revolution. It's not the fault of one gender or one group. Everyone has changed.
I agree. The sexual revolution. Radical feminist.
Women are also at fault. I see other Mom's dressing up their little girls like 'women' every day.
Allowing adult behavior in their children. They think it's cute and no big deal. There is no one culprit here. This is definitely a societal issue.
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Every person is born with character flaws. It is our mission in life to change, to grow, to strive for perfection and spirituality.
One of the greatest gifts G-d has blessed us with is companionship: friends, family, people around us who are close enough to be objective.
Remaining silent when reproof is called for is not “guarding our tongue”, it is depriving one’s fellow of his lifeline to self-improvement.
Based on the writings of the Chafetz Chaim
Boyana,
You are aware that there is a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to rebuke someone? If so, you realize that there are some occasions where rebuke will have the absolute opposite effect as intended. A person must be accepting of rebuke before you should rebuke him. The words should not be harsh and condescending and should be backed up with love and understanding. You cannot just call names and belittle people and consider that 'rebuke', it is far from that..
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A good example of bad rebuke is the name of this thread "Worthless Shiksa Skank Miley Cyrus Poledances; Father DEFENDS It!"...
This is just mean-hearted name calling..
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Men (especially white males) have their own set of problems today. They ARE becoming irrelevant. They have taken a backseat to women and minorities. Soon they may be pole dancing their way through the teen choice awards just to get a job. It is an upside down world. The last issue makes me very angry. Women should realize the value men have in society and in their lives.
You have hit the nail on the head. This issue really goes back to feminism. Yeah, as Lisa would say, there have always been immoral floozies, but when overt sexual immorality became socially acceptable thanks to the feminist movement (and easier to partake in thanks to the Pill), all sorts of smut and filth became permissible almost overnight. There may have always been a market for it, but now that it faces no regulation whatsoever, it can be advertised very openly. (Remember that in the 1950s, it was taboo for television shows to show a married couple together in the same bed.)
At the risk of being politically incorrect, let's just call as spade a spade. The type of behavior we see out of Miley Cyrus, Megan Fox, Angelina Jolie, etc. is a female problem. You just don't see a lot of male celebs overtly sexualizing themselves to the same extent (the only currently "big" guy who does this, really, is Justin Timberlake). I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, just that you don't see it nearly as much. There is a reason for this. By their biological design men are highly visual creatures. We are hardwired to, at first, judge physical attractiveness above all other characteristics because fertility is positively related to physical appearance. With women it is much less so the case. Male fertility is a much lesser factor in perpetuating the human race (i.e. instead of sustaining and nurturing a new life for nine months, we just need to produce some sperm, which our bodies do by the billions automatically every day), so women are hardwired to consider attractiveness as only one of many attributes. Women are hardwired to seek out a good protector, provider, someone who is stable, etc. Women across pretty much all cultures prefer taller guys (larger size=better ability to defend the home), guys that are economically successful (they need someone who can afford to take care of their children), guys with a high level of confidence and a bit of swagger (they want to know that their man will be able to rise to any challenge and not wimp out), etc. Men, biologically speaking, only care if a girl is cute and has a good body.
Finally, by and large women are less sexual than we are. That might sound like a stereotype but millions of frustrated husbands across the world can attest to it. Women don't need to be full of desire all the time--just enough times to result in a few pregnancies. Men have a different survival strategy programmed into them and we experience a great flood of dopamine when we see beautiful women; it's fairly rare for women to have that exact same kind of reaction upon seeing a very "hot" guy. This is why there will always be a market for floozies and prostitutes (literal and figurative). I'm not saying that men are incapable of controlling themselves or justifying giving in to lust at all, but I don't see how anybody can deny that it's hard for us with all of the sexual bombardment our media is saturated with.
It's time to face it. 99+% of the immoral female celebs who turn to skankiness are not forced to do so by any stretch of the imagination, and even now there are plenty who do not. They do it because they know that millions of G-dless, secular, braindead meathead men will eat it up. They may not be the root cause of the problem (secularism and feminism is), but they sure are doing a lot to make the world a worse place.
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Miley Cyrus isn't worth this long post.
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Boyana,
You are aware that there is a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to rebuke someone? If so, you realize that there are some occasions where rebuke will have the absolute opposite effect as intended. A person must be accepting of rebuke before you should rebuke him. The words should not be harsh and condescending and should be backed up with love and understanding. You cannot just call names and belittle people and consider that 'rebuke', it is far from that..
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A good example of bad rebuke is the name of this thread "Worthless Shiksa Skank Miley Cyrus Poledances; Father DEFENDS It!"...
This is just mean-hearted name calling..
Muman,
Are you aware of the "old" format of JTF circa 1998-2002, back before there was a forum? The format then was "Ten Life Or Death Stories For This Week" and true to that name, every Wednesday morning at 7 am, Chaim would update the JTF website with his commentary (generally three paragraphs or so long for each issue) on ten significant media topics. He attacked celebrities then--including many who were not overt Nazis--virtually all the time, often devoting multi-week series to exposing them. Some evil celebrities he attacked in that era, using insults at least as bad as mine, were the lesbian actress Anne Heche, the late Princess Diana, singer Lauryn Hill of the Fugees, Jane Fonda, and Eminem.
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Boyana,
You are aware that there is a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to rebuke someone? If so, you realize that there are some occasions where rebuke will have the absolute opposite effect as intended. A person must be accepting of rebuke before you should rebuke him. The words should not be harsh and condescending and should be backed up with love and understanding. You cannot just call names and belittle people and consider that 'rebuke', it is far from that..
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A good example of bad rebuke is the name of this thread "Worthless Shiksa Skank Miley Cyrus Poledances; Father DEFENDS It!"...
This is just mean-hearted name calling..
Muman,
Are you aware of the "old" format of JTF circa 1998-2002, back before there was a forum? The format then was "Ten Life Or Death Stories For This Week" and true to that name, every Wednesday morning at 7 am, Chaim would update the JTF website with his commentary (generally three paragraphs or so long for each issue) on ten significant media topics. He attacked celebrities then--including many who were not overt Nazis--virtually all the time, often devoting multi-week series to exposing them. Some evil celebrities he attacked in that era, using insults at least as bad as mine, were the lesbian actress Anne Heche, the late Princess Diana, singer Lauryn Hill of the Fugees, Jane Fonda, and Eminem.
This doesn't change what I am saying. If the reason is not rebuking and it is just denigration it is not Holy and if you are denigrating Jews, it is actually a transgression...
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Miley Cyrus, the claims of Spermfront notwithstanding, is not Jewish (she's not Christian either). But it doesn't matter: evil Gentiles and evil Jews deserve the same condemnation.
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Yes, this is my point, exactly.
Every person is born with character flaws. It is our mission in life to change, to grow, to strive for perfection and spirituality.
One of the greatest gifts G-d has blessed us with is companionship: friends, family, people around us who are close enough to be objective.
Remaining silent when reproof is called for is not “guarding our tongue”, it is depriving one’s fellow of his lifeline to self-improvement.
Based on the writings of the Chafetz Chaim
Boyana,
You are aware that there is a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to rebuke someone? If so, you realize that there are some occasions where rebuke will have the absolute opposite effect as intended. A person must be accepting of rebuke before you should rebuke him. The words should not be harsh and condescending and should be backed up with love and understanding. You cannot just call names and belittle people and consider that 'rebuke', it is far from that..
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A good example of bad rebuke is the name of this thread "Worthless Shiksa Skank Miley Cyrus Poledances; Father DEFENDS It!"...
This is just mean-hearted name calling..
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Do you ever value women at all? Because I have yet to see you talk about women in a nice sense.
Men (especially white males) have their own set of problems today. They ARE becoming irrelevant. They have taken a backseat to women and minorities. Soon they may be pole dancing their way through the teen choice awards just to get a job. It is an upside down world. The last issue makes me very angry. Women should realize the value men have in society and in their lives.
You have hit the nail on the head. This issue really goes back to feminism. Yeah, as Lisa would say, there have always been immoral floozies, but when overt sexual immorality became socially acceptable thanks to the feminist movement (and easier to partake in thanks to the Pill), all sorts of smut and filth became permissible almost overnight. There may have always been a market for it, but now that it faces no regulation whatsoever, it can be advertised very openly. (Remember that in the 1950s, it was taboo for television shows to show a married couple together in the same bed.)
At the risk of being politically incorrect, let's just call as spade a spade. The type of behavior we see out of Miley Cyrus, Megan Fox, Angelina Jolie, etc. is a female problem. You just don't see a lot of male celebs overtly sexualizing themselves to the same extent (the only currently "big" guy who does this, really, is Justin Timberlake). I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, just that you don't see it nearly as much. There is a reason for this. By their biological design men are highly visual creatures. We are hardwired to, at first, judge physical attractiveness above all other characteristics because fertility is positively related to physical appearance. With women it is much less so the case. Male fertility is a much lesser factor in perpetuating the human race (i.e. instead of sustaining and nurturing a new life for nine months, we just need to produce some sperm, which our bodies do by the billions automatically every day), so women are hardwired to consider attractiveness as only one of many attributes. Women are hardwired to seek out a good protector, provider, someone who is stable, etc. Women across pretty much all cultures prefer taller guys (larger size=better ability to defend the home), guys that are economically successful (they need someone who can afford to take care of their children), guys with a high level of confidence and a bit of swagger (they want to know that their man will be able to rise to any challenge and not wimp out), etc. Men, biologically speaking, only care if a girl is cute and has a good body.
Finally, by and large women are less sexual than we are. That might sound like a stereotype but millions of frustrated husbands across the world can attest to it. Women don't need to be full of desire all the time--just enough times to result in a few pregnancies. Men have a different survival strategy programmed into them and we experience a great flood of dopamine when we see beautiful women; it's fairly rare for women to have that exact same kind of reaction upon seeing a very "hot" guy. This is why there will always be a market for floozies and prostitutes (literal and figurative). I'm not saying that men are incapable of controlling themselves or justifying giving in to lust at all, but I don't see how anybody can deny that it's hard for us with all of the sexual bombardment our media is saturated with.
It's time to face it. 99+% of the immoral female celebs who turn to skankiness are not forced to do so by any stretch of the imagination, and even now there are plenty who do not. They do it because they know that millions of G-dless, secular, braindead meathead men will eat it up. They may not be the root cause of the problem (secularism and feminism is), but they sure are doing a lot to make the world a worse place.
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Radical feminist.
Sorry but Radical Feminists are against this type of behavior. The only reason celebs are slutty is because men want them to be slutty. Men get the urge to have sex ever since they turned 11 years old. Celebs are doing this because there is an old guy eating chips on the sofa who's watching them and paying for it.
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Bonesfan brought up feminism, the sexual revolution and the birth control pill. So I would like to add my observations based on my personal experiences.
A long LONG time ago, I once went to this male gynecologist (who was recommended by a friend). As usual these doctors ask women what they do for birth control. In my case, it was totally not an issue, since I never been with a man at that point. So when I told the doctor that I wasn't using anything as I was never intimate, his expression turned dark. He looked at me as I'd told him I tortured, maimed, and killed thousands of children and ate their remains for dinner. He then thundered at me "You're WHAT?!?!?"
Needless to say, I was totally mortified.
On another note, a woman I used to know from sleep away camp and high school once told me of her experience with a male gynecologist. I forget why she went to see this doctor. But as usual, he asked her what she was doing for birth control. So she told him she was using a diaphragm and spermicidal foam. He then asked her why she would do a thing like that when she could be using the birth control pill. He went on to pontificate that EVERY woman should be on the pill. Of course, my friend was offended. I would have been offended as well. My friend said to me "Lisa why on earth should I be on the pill with all its health risks? ....So I can be at the sexual beck and call of a man 24/7?" I agreed and still agree with her.
Why should women mess with their hormones, risk breast cancer, high blood pressure and strokes so they can be sexually available whenever their boyfriends are in the mood?
Now don't get me wrong. When you're married it's a different story. I believe married Christians can have sex 365 days if they want. But with Judaism, we also have marital purity laws, where intimacy is forbidden for 14 days of each month. Other than those days, intimacy is a mitzvah.
So the moral of my stories is once again that women are shamed, bullied and manipulated into getting rid of their virginity, and sleeping around, even by adults who should know better.
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whoremonger? someone who enables them?
I never liked that word but in this case it is indeed at the root of the problem.... If there was no money or notoriety in it the actresses would not be behaving as they do.
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Yes, Lisa, that is a good example. That should not be happening to them. There needs to be a reformation.
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Radical feminist.
Sorry but Radical Feminists are against this type of behavior. The only reason celebs are slutty is because men want them to be slutty. Men get the urge to have sex ever since they turned 11 years old. Celebs are doing this because there is an old guy eating chips on the sofa who's watching them and paying for it.
I disagree. Feminist told women they could act any way they like and men be damned. In a perfect world that might be ok...we don't live in a perfect world.
These girls are just doing what society tells them is ok, even attractive behavior. Is it really appropriate or healthy for them though?
I don't think it's an old guy sitting on the couch eating chips and watching the teen choice awards. If it is, he is also probably listed on the sex offender registry.
Miley Cyrus is attempting to make the leap from teen to adult star. I think she is just getting bad advice. You would think they would have learned the lesson of Britney Spears.
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Lisa, of course I don't deny that females are pressured and harangued to be as sexual as possible by the establishment at every turn. But they do have some culpability for that establishment. The Pill was idolized by feminists everywhere when it came out because it "finally" gave women "sexual freedom", for instance. Feminists in the '60s adored such publications as Playboy and we don't even need to get into the "love-ins" of the hippie era. To say that the above are WHOLLY the fault of men is illogical and completely contrary to the facts.
That being said, men by their nature are wolves when it comes to women and will look for every possible excuse to "get some". That is why any female who willingly puts out for any reason--but especially because she gets a rush out of sexualizing herself--is self-hating.